Lamenting the death of Hippies

[Israel Chai]

I know you guys aren't big fans there, especially considering how utterly the ideology in the 70s became perverted, but their music is a constant reminder of what we all lost. People rebelled against kneejerk consumerism, having to buy the latest feather scarf to make their neighbors jealous, having to buy expensive and harmful food at trashy restaurants when you can grow it better and way cheaper yourself. Freedom from self-serving and oppressive religious leaders that left you with only guilt and self-hate and nothing spiritual. The people I know in it, they live in the nature, they have awesome music, they grow their own food and if their older brother is a giant dictator who wants them to do ridiculous things, you can just tell him to leave you alone and you're not going to hell. Music that says with love in your heart, so long as you've got a bit of food to eat that's what matters most.

Everything is so corrupted you want to cry. Instead of saying we don't need the worthless trash the media tells us makes us better than our neighbors, the creatures who wiped out the movement made it "we need the government to give us the worthless trash the media promotes". Instead of let people think free and be who they are, it's "the RULES are you have to call him her or you're a hateful monster, and here are six billion other rules to be really loving. When they buy sex-change products at the corporation, you have to call them what the corporation says or you're a rebel against the order!" Instead of love and freedom, it's love every evil dictator like muslims and communists that keeps everyone down, or you're a hateful person.

The hippies that went out into the nature and raised beautiful healthy and free families in the 70s are shocked when I tell them what has become of their movement. It was all about simplicity and looking to what you felt was right rather than what some fat greedy self-worshiper told you that you must do. Not ten thousand acronyms and making the government take charge of your life.

Yeah, when you let a dog out of a cage he's been in for generations, there's gonna be a mess when he gets out, and things like harmful drugs happened, but many of them never got into that and just wanted to be able to sing and dance in colorful clothes and not worry who cares. In a way, the right wing has taken most of the rebellious attitudes that the hippies had, but the level of depravity and evil of our opponents does not lend itself to being loving and non-judgmental, it's a risk to not have a resilience against the Borg of the left.

The freedom of wearing clothes devolved into the hipsters, where you wear some corporation's ironic t-shirt design to show your individuality. The free love devolved into a series of depraved groups that are different in many ways, and all have in common that they want to sexualize kids and take away the innocence of youth. I could go on, but an ideology that said you can be what you want to be and not care what people say became an ideology that you have to care what everyone calls themselves and call them that. The hatred of senseless war today is only permitted if the right does it, if evil people want to make a place a dictatorial hell-hole we have to support it and find a stupid explanation why this means they are becoming more advanced.

Outside of a few die-hards in the nature, I can't find anyone that keeps their ideology of simple love and freedom alive.

[Israel Chai]

Maybe I got it all wrong. Maybe "change the world with the music" failed because it was about the values of freedom and love they started as and then became about the music, because it's that awesome and there was so much money and so you start wanting to churn out a bunch and eventually it's not good and then you sell out to corporations and then to political propagandists and everyone had their own spiral out of what they started as. Kind of reminds me of when King David brought the best dancers and singers and a whole party to escort the ark of the covenant to the temple and everyone died because that's not how to respect it properly, and everything was fine when they made a still very happy but very respectful ceremony, the things in this world are just tools to rid ourselves of bad midot, they're not goals unto themselves, as fun as a song is.

[ChabadKahanist]

There are hippies in Israel just go to Bat Ayin or Modiin

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

There are hippies in Israel just go to Bat Ayin or Modiin

 
Yup

[Zelhar]

Yes it's true there are jewish hippies mostly in Judea and Samaria. But I am talking about people who like nature and prefer non-processed food and like music.

[Israel Chai]

There are hippies in Tzfas that are the different corrupt kind. It's not like I met everyone, but those I did.

[Israel Chai]

Yes it's true there are jewish hippies mostly in Judea and Samaria. But I am talking about people who like nature and prefer non-processed food and like music.

Where are you talking about them... and what do you categorize them as.

[Zelhar]

They are religious jews mostly knitted kippot, that are pretty "ruchnic" (spiritual) and have traits and occupations that are hippie-like,such as organic food, allot of music, alternative medicine.

Where are you talking about them... and what do you categorize them as.

[Israel Chai]

They are religious jews mostly knitted kippot, that are pretty "ruchnic" (spiritual) and have traits and occupations that are hippie-like,such as organic food, allot of music, alternative medicine.

Yay my people. Well the ones that aren't mentally retarded because their minds are utterly drug-addled are fantastic to be around. I generally learn spiritual things to fight better, in Judo that was the focus, but a side benefit is I can put my mind at complete peace and enjoy the deepness of things.

Rav Kahane says in "The Jewish Idea" that it is impossible for any Jew to have any spiritual connection without a connection to nature, and that the exile stuck us as doctors and lawyers and robbed us from our connection to the earth and the land. It's a community where you can find the most shallow phonies and the most brilliant religious minds.

[ChabadKahanist]

They are religious jews mostly knitted kippot, that are pretty "ruchnic" (spiritual) and have traits and occupations that are hippie-like,such as organic food, allot of musiearc, alternative medicine.

Yeah they also wear kippot 10 sizes too large,have monster payos,dress like slobs  & wear either scuffed work boots or sandals with no socks even on Shabbos!!!

[Israel Chai]

Yeah they also wear kippot 10 sizes too large,have monster payos,dress like slobs  & wear either scuffed work boots or sandals with no socks even on Shabbos!!!

You spend enough time doing spiritual things, physical ones are utterly irrelevant. People that care about them seem degraded to you. The big kippah lets you wear it in the fields without a hat covering it. Also, sandals with no socks is basically how every single person in Torah dressed. It's actually the main reason why, despite my friendliness to Chassidim, I don't even want to be one of them. You think you look smart in a freeking mini black burka in the middle of an Israeli summer? At least Chabad doesn't make divrei Torah about why a furry hat gives them special powers, but in yeshiva in New York people talking about their stupid clothes more than Torah, for me a conversation about what someone else is wearing is like debating if Kim Kardashian or Avril Lavigne has better hair. I tried to drag someone out of the yeshiva to beat his fat ugly face in because he decided he wanted to launch into a five minute conversation about why my $500 dress jacket wasn't as nice as I thought. I later punched him in the face and he called the cops and said I gave him a concussion. I'll be loyal to my brother dressed in rat skin over a rat in a black hat. How much pain does his voice have when he sings Keli Ata is what I care about, not if his faggy hat comes from Borsolini or some other wop trash house.

[ChabadKahanist]

The point is no rabbi goes with sandals with no socks & dressed like a slob not even the dati leumi/modern orthodox ones  & the rabbis should be our guides how to act & dress properly in shul!!!! I am not saying wear a suit,kapota or bekesher but at least wear a nice clean & unwrinkled shirt tucked into your pants & shoes with socks like all of today's rabbis do without exception!!! If one wouldn't go to one's own chupa like that or to a VIP dressed like that how much more so on Shabbos & yom tovin  in Hashem's presence? Why does a chupa or VIP deserve more kavod than Hashem does?

[Israel Chai]

The point is no rabbi goes with sandals with no socks & dressed like a slob not even the dati leumi/modern orthodox ones  & the rabbis should be our guides how to act & dress properly in shul!!!! I am not saying wear a suit,kapota or bekesher but at least wear a nice clean & unwrinkled shirt tucked into your pants & shoes with socks like all of today's rabbis do without exception!!! If one wouldn't go to one's own chupa like that or to a VIP dressed like that how much more so on Shabbos & yom tovin  in Hashem's presence? Why does a chupa or VIP deserve more kavod than Hashem does?

The only reason I wear clothes is religious mandate. Even then, the vast majority of the time it's shorts/tshirt. On shabbos/yom tov, yeah I wear only fresh clean stuff. I really like the golden kaftan thing Sephardim wear, looks a lot less hot than what they make you wear in Chabad yeshiva, I'd do that.

That was all beating around the bush. Yeah I agree with you, not that I have a choice in the matter, we learn from Esav who would wear his best clothes for his father that we need to look good to honor our father. On shabbos yes, it is halacha to wear the best of what you own. A segula that R. Nachman of Breslev said is that if you keep seperate shoes that are better than your regular shoes only for shabbos, it's a segula for something good I forget, it's in his Book of Segulot.

As for socks and sandals, everyone knows only losers wear socks and sandals, and I don't see the slightest halachic issue with wearing sandals, especially if they're clean, unless the smell of your feet distracts fellow daveners.

Your last point reminds me of something Rabbi Mizrachi said, "If Trump says he hates you on T.V., you feel a bit bad, so how much more should you feel shame if the Creator of the universe says he hates a type of person and you become that?".

But yeah the kapota isn't happening. I've never actually ironed a shirt either. I actually only bought two pairs of jeans and a pair of shoes in my life as far as clothes go, everyone just gives me theirs or buys me some to curtail favor. I would honestly have 0 dress code if I were ever to have a wedding, I hate those stuffy clothes they make guys wear, I like loose and free and comfortable. How do you experience creative thought or win fights when you're all sticky and itchy in them. And even those stupid $5,000 suits that look the same as every other suit, they can have silk in the middle and the edges are that same itchy material. I would have everyone in shorts and t-shirt. Or better get married on the beach and everyone can have swimming stuff. Mechitzah in the water and everything.

In business, if your tie is slightly to the left or the right, there are very self-happy people who think what they do is reading people, and I can see right away they judge you as a bad business partner for the slightest fashion crime. That's the only time I'll wear the stupid 1800s fashion everyone decided is proper. And I have women there to tell me what to wear because of the colors matching the other colors in a way girls care about.

It was a question to me, what does Hashem benefit from my skin in 1800s fashion? The answer is that obvious when you understand you don't wear what's classy in Yemen when you go to Russia. He doesn't care, it's just that many people judge people as human beings based on the clothes they wear, and they also consider wearing nice clothes to see someone as honoring them for some reason, and therefore wearing clothes that the majority of people around you think is nice makes them see you honoring Hashem and think you are a good person, and therefore they might want to honor Hashem too and judge His Torah favorably. If it was just me and Hashem though, I don't wear shoes at all the majority of the week, unless I'm going to fight someone I want to hurt alot, so I'd be not wearing much.

If you want to go to shabbos though, we learn in Gemarra that some Rabbi I forgot would wear black all week so as to make a difference with his bright, regal clothing on shabbos. Wearing black all week and wearing black on shabbos seems to violate this stringency.

[ChabadKahanist]

Over 40 years ago I asked Rabbi Marlow,A"H about Charlie Buttons after Charlie requested that I do so about his wearing overalls on Shabbos & the buttons on his hat to which Rabbi Marlow replied as long as the overalls are clean,with no holes & set aside for Shabbos & as far as the buttons as long as he either sews it on or breaks it in a way that it can't be removed no problem.

[Israel Chai]

Over 40 years ago I asked Rabbi Marlow,A"H about Charlie Buttons after Charlie requested that I do so about his wearing overalls on Shabbos & the buttons on his hat to which Rabbi Marlow replied as long as the overalls are clean,with no holes & set aside for Shabbos & as far as the buttons as long as he either sews it on or breaks it in a way that it can be removed no problem.

Breaks it so it can be removed? That would require he remove them for shabbos because of carrying. If there's a piece of metal built into your clothes it's a part of it so not carrying, why would a button make a difference?

[ChabadKahanist]

Breaks it so it can be removed? That would require he remove them for shabbos because of carrying. If there's a piece of metal built into your clothes it's a part of it so not carrying, why would a button make a difference?

Can't be removed I changed the typo. Because it could be removed in an area like Crown Heights which doesn't have an eiruv or in today's case a questionable or disputed eiruv.

[Israel Chai]

Can't be removed I changed the typo. Because it could be removed in an area like Crown Heights which doesn't have an eiruv or in today's case a questionable or disputed eiruv.

Yeah major issue there, if someone learned that from you they'd be mechalel shabbos G-d forbid on accident and you'd share in it, G-d forbid. I would have to see the hat to know the halacha exactly, but if the button in a little material strap, it's also part of it, that would have to be completely separate buttons, with no apparent purpose that you could just take off and now have a button for something.

Or if the eiruv breaks. There's an app in Montreal to check it. Or if you're Chabad and you only carry in a Chabad eiruv.