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Offline Israel Chai

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Re: What is the Jewish equivalent of am Uncle Tom?
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2020, 08:16:48 PM »
Ben Shapiro is a self hating Jew, just the opposite side of the same coin of a leftist self hater. Same as Dave Rubin, another Jew like Shapiro who wants to have a big voice and be overly involved in the affairs of the goyim instead of staying out of their business and worrying about Jews and Israel. There is nothing else to worry about. Amazing you guys don't get it... THEY DON'T RESPECT US! The goyim don't respect us, we are a pathetic joke to them and have been for a very long time! Nothing has changed. All we have is each other and that is it. If Ben wasn't a self hating Jew he'd use his influence in a way like Kahane did and actually speak the truth but he's an ass kissing loser. Most of the world is not our friend. They don't like us! We are making fools of ourselves by trying to be every ones buddy when none of them respect us. Hashem has us in a little box and all we have is each other. All we need to do to start with is have the self respect it takes to cleanse our homeland of all the haters and take back control of OUR COVENANT and worry about ourselves ONLY and forget about the goyim and all their problems and stay out of their business. Eventually they'll come to us as Noahiders because we are the gatekeepers. Do any of you understand the real power we have? We're the people of the bible, the Children of Israel! The most legendary people in the world. All we have to do is own it like G'd wants us too, and the world will eventually come to us ON OUR TERMS just to be close to it. We have ceded our covenant to the wannabes and copycats because we're weak and always begging for friends. To take back control of our covenant we have to tell the world to go to hell and isolate ourselves as the people of the bible and eventually they'll all come to us begging to be our friend. That's self respect. That's how you act as the chosen people. They come begging to be our friends on our terms not the other way around. These needy uppity Jews are making fools of themselves and all of us. Ben should be in Israel as a Kahanist living with and helping all the Hill Top Youth types. He could snap his fingers and have that life but instead he still wants and needs the approval and acceptance of the goyim. They murdered 6 Million of us just 75 years ago. Biggest genocide in history in the matter of 5 years. Self respect will ONLY start with telling the world to go to hell and staying out of their business and only worrying about our people and our business in our homeland. Nothing else matters. Not Ben Shapiro giving speeches to mostly christians about conservative principles as their token Jew. He's an idiot!!!     

Ben is a small guy who knows American politics and how to debate well. I punch spikey walls and my skin doesn't even scratch, and I adore the nature. I've been waiting for one big sale for a long time so I could leave the exile and go do what I'm good for, Ben is doing what he's good for. Not living our idea of a perfect Jewish life doesn't make you a self-hating Jew, observably, have Ben's actions made the world a better or a worse place?

One thing is he seems to be much more interested in what is true than making others like him. He has plenty of haters and doesn't express any qualms about making more. With his money and power, yeah he could do great things for the hilltops, but it's clearly not a world he is very familiar with. There are many things I could have done better too, but I did what I was lead to with what knowledge I had. Doesn't make me a self-hating Jew, just means I lost a precious eternal mitzvah or a million, and that's going to cost me, but I wasn't going out and making horrible sins either, and I see no crimes against Hashem attributed to Ben's name.

It is lashon hara to speak against him in this way. If you speak against your brother, it's only in the case that you are obligated to warn others about his evil. What evil from Ben Shapiro are you warning us against? If you say it's much better to go fight for the land than "destroy" retarded commies in debates, then you are correct. Your speech against him though is entirely unwarranted, you must repent of it for your own sake if not all the other reasons of morality.

As for Prager speaking against a good Rabbi fighting for Israel, he can eat dirt. Who good is Ben fighting.

Your one accusation with any water here is that Ben is fighting for Rubin. Do you have more information on that so I can judge for myself?


It makes me want to cry to write this after the rest of your comment, it was very beautiful, yes we are the chosen people, yes, do the math, we're for sure the most legendary of the nations in the past millennia, especially considering we're still here. You have this beautiful soul. Use that to make the speech without the Ben part, and then maybe you can get some of his Jewish followers in your camp. You know how many Jews have never been exposed to a message like that? There aren't even Rabbis who will publicly talk about the greatness Hashem bestowed on us without making excuses or trying to water it down with "but also people kill us so you shouldn't think it's so great" and all that crap. You have any idea how much good you could do if you did what Ben did, write a couple books and start making speeches?

Also, first and foremost, Ben can penetrate liberal minds, and liberal universities he goes to are often populated with Jews who are almost all liberal, and as a result hate Hashem and Torah. He gets them away from the left and to the right which often gets him secular Jews looking to learn more about Judaism. It's the one area he merits a warning, the missionaries specifically choose his site to advertise in droves because of the armies of barely educated Jews that come, easy pickings. But then again, money talks. If you would raise money for Jews for Judaism to advertise on daily wire permanently, you could turn any potential avera here Ben is connected with into the most cherished mizvah, the return of a lost and dead son to real life.
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Re: What is the Jewish equivalent of am Uncle Tom?
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2020, 10:43:47 PM »
"Anyone who isn't Kahane is a self-hating Jew" is a pretty poor definition of the term.


But Kahane Was Right, right?.. And yes, any Jew who's not with Kahane is a self hater to some degree if not totally. In my opinion any Jew who's against what Kahane stood for bears some responsibility for all the rape, torture and murder of Jews in Israel by our enemies. Maybe Shapiro is a closet Kahanist maybe he's not, i don't know because he's never simply said "Kahane was right!"... But he's a self hater because he's one of those Jews like so many who still very much want and need the approval and acceptance of the goyim. Especially the white Christian. The ever so ignorant uppity self righteous pagan europeans who desecrate and exploit G'd and our heritage while they look down on us. Ben tip toes around them like a 'good Jew' because the American fame and fortune is worth it to him. He could be in Israel teaching Jews what being right wing really is and thats a million times more important than speaking to his 95% American Christian - Jew Hating audience who already know what right wing is but like it when their boyish looking token Jew tells them about it at 500 words a minute. 

Isn't time we told Christians that they're Pagans who stole OUR Heritage and desecrate G-d's name in the worst way? Isn't time we tell these evil people the truth and nothing but the truth over and over again to their faces? Ben could do that but he wouldn't have career running his mouth in American politics anymore for fame and fortune. Boo-hoo Ben... Then go to Israel and stop worrying about what these ignorant goyim think and never look back!

You wanna know partly why so many American Jews who were once European Jews are so prone to being liberal and leftist? It's because Christianity has exploited our heritage so much for so long that many many Jews became very turned off by their own heritage. If associating with Christians means being a conservative (another words a normal Jew) than they rather be liberals or leftist. That neo-pagan Roman religion was created to destroy us and it just about has, and Shapiro like Prager tip toe around them trying to be very careful and cautious not to offend. They really really need to be offended and its past time a conservative Jew with a talk radio show that reaches millions tells it like it is. Ben could be that Jew but he's too coward to be and doesn't have the self respect it takes to do it. And that's a damn shame!!       
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The exile is absolute poison. The exile breeds self hatred and also hatred for others. We are making fools of ourselves in the exile and the self hating exile mindset that governs Israel is destroying us and making us the fool among the nations.

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Re: What is the Jewish equivalent of am Uncle Tom?
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2020, 11:38:59 PM »


But Kahane Was Right, right?.. And yes, any Jew who's not with Kahane is a self hater to some degree if not totally. In my opinion any Jew who's against what Kahane stood for bears some responsibility for all the rape, torture and murder of Jews in Israel by our enemies. Maybe Shapiro is a closet Kahanist maybe he's not, i don't know because he's never simply said "Kahane was right!"... But he's a self hater because he's one of those Jews like so many who still very much want and need the approval and acceptance of the goyim. Especially the white Christian. The ever so ignorant uppity self righteous pagan europeans who desecrate and exploit G'd and our heritage while they look down on us. Ben tip toes around them like a 'good Jew' because the American fame and fortune is worth it to him. He could be in Israel teaching Jews what being right wing really is and thats a million times more important than speaking to his 95% American Christian - Jew Hating audience who already know what right wing is but like it when their boyish looking token Jew tells them about it at 500 words a minute. 

Isn't time we told Christians that they're pagans who stole OUR Heritage and desecrate G-d's name in the worst way? Isn't time we tell these evil people the truth and nothing but the truth over and over again to their faces? Ben could do that but he wouldn't have career running his mouth in American politics anymore for fame and fortune. Boo-hoo Ben... Then go to Israel and stop worrying about what these ignorant goyim think and never look back!

You wanna know partly why so many American Jews who were once European Jews are so prone to being liberal and leftist? It's because Christianity has exploited our heritage so much for so long that many many Jews became very turned off by their own heritage. If associating with Christians means being a conservative (another words a normal Jew) than they rather be liberals or leftist. That neo-pagan Roman religion was created to destroy us and it just about has, and Shapiro like Prager tip toe around them trying to be very careful and cautious not to offend. They really really need to be offended and its past time a conservative Jew with a talk radio show that reaches millions tells it like it is. Ben could be that Jew but he's too coward to be and doesn't have the self respect it takes to do it. And that's a damn shame!!     

So no, we're not absolutists. Neither was Rav Kahane, he was very happy if he could just teach one person one new thing and that would make one more mitzvah. You don't have to know who Rav Kahane is to be a good person, and not everyone who claims to follow our Rav ZT"L is a good person.

If you stand against Rav Kahane and the mission we continue for him, then you're at least a bit evil, and likely very, even in cases where the person is completely ignorant.

You again accuse Ben of being someone who wants approval from goyim. I don't think he's anti-approval, he'll make more cash on his books, but the issue with that is if someone does what is wrong in order to get approval. You can be a completely good person and kinda want goyim to think you're wonderful, as long as you do not corrupt yourself for it or rely on it instead of Hashem, Ben has committed no sin there. The only righteous judgement of a man is to judge him on his righteousness and all other judgement is wickedness - Gemarra. Tell me how he has been corrupt or relied on goyim above Hashem and there's a discussion, so far that's just an accusation you haven't backed up in any way. Then you use that accusation with no evidence presented to back up your claim that he is a self-hating Jew, this is an unjust trial of the man and I beg you to reconsider the lashon hara.

Your accusations do not become more substantive or less wicked from there. Ben goes to complete leftist universities and talks to complete liberals, does speeches to professors to help them become better educators, writes books and runs dailywire, which is a soft enough conservative site that I can start many of my new recruits there. I need Ben's material and it is useful to me. It's on the internet, go show it to people in Israel and you have helped him earn mizvot if they turn from leftist evils and ultimately to Torah.

There are Xtians here. I respect them alot and they do their best to do good. The kohanim wouldn't insult idolaters when there was a temple, they'd straight up take their animal to be sacrificed if it was kosher, and let them see for themselves what Hashem can do. What exactly would you gain from that? We have the most converts to Judaism and the largest global Noachide population since the Roman empire precisely because the Jews for JC and their 300 mil/year from the baptist church and similar groups have only succeeded in making Westerners curious about actual Judaism. We aren't lifting a finger against them. Jews for Judaism makes videos to refute claims, and that helps, but even without them, these people are coming to us in droves. We show them love, not "you're wa wa and I hate you" they read and learn and ask questions and try to disprove Torah again and again until they're chassidim calling everyone else idolaters, it's beautiful. Be proud, you should, but also be comfortable that what you have is a shining light and everyone else has vanity and nothingness. They see the light and come, you're just going to make everyone run if you decide you need to shine it in their eyes to be proud of who you are.

Most importantly, despite the groups that support Israel to convert Jews, there are lots of completely well-meaning American evangelicals and otherwise, even atheists that support Israel because it's the right thing to do, and many more that do it because we have the same enemies and they are self-interested and rational, as is seemly. At the end of the day, the post-renaissance called and asked for their fight back. Catholics and all their spin-offs are castrated compared to the ones in the dark ages. They stopped burning villages of us alive, and there's no systematic discrimination except for in lack of police protection, which is irrelevant if Jews are armed and ready to do a Purim instead of sitting and waiting for it to come. Hashem makes it clear that those who hate us hate Him and are scared cowards that go after an easier target, so it'll always be there because Hashem set it up like that so we could have an obvious indicator of evil, and obviously countless other reasons we'll know when Moshaich comes, may it be today G-d willing. Talk to them, most American Xtians are really good people that are trying to do what's right, and even many of the people who repeat lines that Jew-haters say do so out of complete ignorance and can easily be educated on the errors of their ways, and are always thankful after I explain them things. What do either of us gain if we hate each other? Muslims are killing us both, we don't need to aim at our allies, even if "an alliance with the mighty is never to be trusted" (Phaedrus). I'm not saying leave your kids with them, I'll show you videos of missionaries talking to 5-10 year old kids in parks and then saying "don't tell your parents", but politically they are useful. Furthermore, we could remove the law banning missionary work if we had one hour of actual Jewish education and no endless Torah-hating classes in schools, with a basic understanding of Judaism their whole religion becomes comedy. I know because I was one, and then I made teshuva here. The Xtians were very well respected here, no one was going on "we hate them" rampages, I just saw their opinion, I already knew it, and then I got to see the Jewish one next to it and it's very easy to choose. If all you had to say was all that, G-d forbid where I'd be now.

What exactly do you want him to say? He's not a Rabbi or a counter-missionary specialist. He's not fighting against either. Instead of cursing his work because he doesn't insult his evangelical customers, do a gofundme (or ideally a site that doesn't take commissions like them) raise money put Jews for Judaism ads on his website. Talk to him and tell him personally first off before you curse his name in public, he's quite easy to reach at dailywire. I'm certain if you spoke with your brother yourself you'd be ashamed to write all this after, and would simply come to the conclusion that you can use his very neutral platform to do good things.

I have never seen evidence of your final opinion, as interesting as it may appear on the surface. I have talked to many, they say "we came to America and the conservatives wouldn't let us join their golf clubs and the liberals did". I need to find someone from that generation who isn't rich to ask why, but for the wealthy it was that, and before in Europe, they thought communism and socialism was the way to equality and an end to Jew-hatred. An evil cause they were tricked into for a good goal, they however are waking up in droves. Besides, at the time a liberal politician couldn't run for office unless he was a staunch Xtian as well in America, basically everyone was.

I don't see him discussing Judaism at all. If he were to corrupt a passage in Torah or something like that in order to pander to Xtians, it would be a sin and then you have justification to warn against him. As for what he does, ask your Rav if you have permission to write such things against him, except for the part about his looks, there's a Gemarra that a Sage became so proud he actually insulted the way an ugly person looked, an indication his mind had become corrupt. He talks about evangelicals, but I've never heard him mention their religion once. None of this is forbidden, and it is forbidden to speak against him for something that is no sin.

Also, the Roman religion has not, nor will ever destroy us, nor anything else so long as there are stars in the sky.
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Re: What is the Jewish equivalent of am Uncle Tom?
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2020, 10:35:03 PM »
To answer the question:  'A Jewish Democrat'