Armenian Holocaust

[Dexter]

I am disgust of the fact that the Israeli institute and Political system refuse to recognize the Armenian Holocaust. After 6 milion Jews were killed, and other 6 milions of other peoples were killed, Israel refuse to recognize the Armenian Holocaust ?! What a disgrace!

[Sarah]

Armenian Holocaust?

[Vito]

Armenian Holocaust?

Yes, never heard of it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

[Ehud]

It's not that simple Dexter.  A Holocaust has a specific meaning, it's the deliberate and systematic attempted annihilation of a group of people from the face of the planet.  It's not clear that that's what was attempted with the Armenians although they were mass-murdered wholesale.

For instance, killing a group of people because of their suspected disloyalties to a country is not genocide because the main purpose of killing them was not to rid the earth of their kind, but instead to suppress political liabilities. 

Germans wanted to destroy every Jew on the planet, they even wanted to come to Israel and kill the Jews there, the same Genocidal intent isn't so clear with the Armenian "genocide". 

 

[Ehud]

Here's a good quote from that article noting the difference:

    [T]he Nazis saw the Jews as the central problem of world history. Upon its solution depended the future of mankind. Unless International Jewry was defeated, human civilization would not survive. The attitude towards the Jews had in it important elements of pseudo-religion. There was no such motivation present in the Armenian case; Armenians were to be annihilated for power-political reasons, and in Turkey only...

    The differences between the holocaust and the Armenian massacres are less important than the similarities--and even if the Armenian case is not seen as a holocaust in the extreme form which it took towards Jews, it is certainly the nearest thing to it.[

[kellymaureen]

Dont you love the laws and rules that dhimmis had to live under....lol....and this is "peace and calm" that muslims say everyone lived under when they were ruling...of course there was peace and calm, anyone stepped out of line and they were killed....no non muslim lived as an equal, they paid "portection" money to live under islamic rule, and were subject to horrible and degrading rules and laws

[Vito]

It's not that simple Dexter.  A Holocaust has a specific meaning, it's the deliberate and systematic attempted annihilation of a group of people from the face of the planet.  It's not clear that that's what was attempted with the Armenians although they were mass-murdered wholesale.

For instance, killing a group of people because of their suspected disloyalties to a country is not genocide because the main purpose of killing them was not to rid the earth of their kind, but instead to suppress political liabilities. 

Germans wanted to destroy every Jew on the planet, they even wanted to come to Israel and kill the Jews there, the same Genocidal intent isn't so clear with the Armenian "genocide". 

 

It's not clear because the Turks claim that it was simply casualties of civil war. But they were systematically trying to kill every Christian in Turkey, that's a fact. There was one account of an Armenian woman who was giving birth in the desert (the Armenians were exiled from Turkey forcefully via desert on foot) and a Turkish soldier said "You people are still breeding? We're trying to destroy you"

[Ehud]

It's not that simple Dexter.  A Holocaust has a specific meaning, it's the deliberate and systematic attempted annihilation of a group of people from the face of the planet.  It's not clear that that's what was attempted with the Armenians although they were mass-murdered wholesale.

For instance, killing a group of people because of their suspected disloyalties to a country is not genocide because the main purpose of killing them was not to rid the earth of their kind, but instead to suppress political liabilities. 

Germans wanted to destroy every Jew on the planet, they even wanted to come to Israel and kill the Jews there, the same Genocidal intent isn't so clear with the Armenian "genocide". 

 

It's not clear because the Turks claim that it was simply casualties of civil war. But they were systematically trying to kill every Christian in Turkey, that's a fact. There was one account of an Armenian woman who was giving birth in the desert (the Armenians were exiled from Turkey forcefully via desert on foot) and a Turkish soldier said "You people are still breeding? We're trying to destroy you"

Yeah, I understand that, but the difference between genocide and what happened with the Armenians doesn't have to do with the method employed to kill them, it has to do with the motivations to kill them.  They were systematically trying to kill the Armenians because they were seen as political threats, they were not trying to eliminate the Armenian people from the world. 

[Vito]

It's not that simple Dexter.  A Holocaust has a specific meaning, it's the deliberate and systematic attempted annihilation of a group of people from the face of the planet.  It's not clear that that's what was attempted with the Armenians although they were mass-murdered wholesale.

For instance, killing a group of people because of their suspected disloyalties to a country is not genocide because the main purpose of killing them was not to rid the earth of their kind, but instead to suppress political liabilities. 

Germans wanted to destroy every Jew on the planet, they even wanted to come to Israel and kill the Jews there, the same Genocidal intent isn't so clear with the Armenian "genocide". 

 

It's not clear because the Turks claim that it was simply casualties of civil war. But they were systematically trying to kill every Christian in Turkey, that's a fact. There was one account of an Armenian woman who was giving birth in the desert (the Armenians were exiled from Turkey forcefully via desert on foot) and a Turkish soldier said "You people are still breeding? We're trying to destroy you"

Yeah, I understand that, but the difference between genocide and what happened with the Armenians doesn't have to do with the method employed to kill them, it has to do with the motivations to kill them.  They were systematically trying to kill the Armenians because they were seen as political threats, they were not trying to eliminate the Armenian people from the world. 

There weren't 2 million political threats. Systematically murdering 2 million people based on their ethnicity/religion is genocide. Talaat Pasha himself wrote letters to his generals stating that it was a jihad against infidels. It was genocide.