Philistine And Israeli activists caught burning fields

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A Palestinian and a Jewish activist from a human rights organization were arrested Wednesday near the West Bank community of Havat Gilad, after allegedly attempting to light a field on fire next to the community.

Two residents of the community who were suspected of attacking the activists were also detained

why should the residents be detained

[kellymaureen]

So if a person goes in and robs a bank there....do they arrest the teller?  This is madness

[Ultra Requete]

So if a person goes in and robs a bank there....do they arrest the teller?  This is madness

Havat Gilal is Jewish settler outpost comunity in Samaria; Do you notice the article in Israeli "right wing ' paper calling this "west bank"? I bet that Israeli Goverment already decided to give up all this lands to PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis!

Road to Middle East peace is lined by hate
Last Updated: 12:01am BST /05/2003

At the doorflap to the three room tent where he lives with his wife and two baby children, Itai Zar, an Israeli settler, quietly contemplated the olive and cypress trees that stud the barren, rocky landscape beneath his outpost at Havat Gilad on the West Bank.

"G-d wanted us to live here," said Mr Zar, casting his eyes around the district, where more than 200,000 fellow settlers like him have come to live among more than two million PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis on land conquered during the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

Mr Zar's settlement is named Havat Gilad, after his brother Gilad who was killed by PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi gunmen here two years ago. He is determined to stay and make a life here, but one of the key points of the new road map for peace is that Havat Gilad and 60 other ramshackle hillposts like it must be torn down.

advertisementUncertainty surrounds the future of 150 more permanent settlements, whose defensive ranks of red roof houses stand out like urban wagon trains from the sprawling PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi villages around.

This week, demonstrators gathered from all over Israel to protest against the evacuation of any of the settlements, marching through four in the heart of the West Bank likely to be dismantled if the road map is implemented. The march started at Havat Gilad, which one of the protesters described as an illegal settlement in embryo. "It is an honour to have the march begin at my home," said Mr Zar. "This is our land. All of this is our land.

"If the road map is implemented there will be chaos," he added in Hebrew, before intently deploying the Hebrew slang that also comprised the single English word in his vocabulary: "Action," he said, hand on his gun holster. "Action."

The last time there was "action" in this strip of the West Bank was six months ago, when then Israeli defence minister, Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, deployed the army to evacuate some outposts like Itai Zar's. The violent clashes that followed between the troops and settlers left several wounded on both sides.

This week's protest march ended in Sa-Nur, a newly refounded settlement where more than 1,000 weary walkers gathered to relax at the end of the day, an M-16 automatic rifle in one hand, and a barbecued chicken drumstick in the other.

Under their watchful gaze, toddlers leapt about on bouncy castles. "We made a point to march here," said the event's main organiser, Daniella Weiss, who is mayor of another Jewish settlement west of the PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi city of Nablus. "We know there is a threat to the settlements because of the road map and we wanted to express the fact that we will not give up this land." Back in Havat Gilad, Mr Zar was equally adamant. "We will not move," he said, as the chickens scratched about him in the dusty soil and his generator powered rusted air conditioners that barely dented the fierce midday heat inside his tent.

"Look at all the attempts there have been to move us," he said. "From [former prime ministers] Rabin to Peres to Barak everybody has tried to move us and everybody has failed."
 


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Another round to the settlers
Israeli government pulls back from its first attempt to expel Jews from an illegal outpost in the West Bank

Chris McGreal in Havat Gilad
Thursday October 17, 2002

Guardian

The Israeli government backed away from a confrontation with hundreds of angry settlers and abandoned an attempt to close an illegal outpost in the West Bank yesterday.
It was the first attempt by Ariel Sharon's government to remove Jews who have settled illegally on land in the occupied territories.

But about 1,000 other settlers from West Bank communities, many of them armed young men accompanied by teenage girls, packed into Havat Gilad, vowing to resist the army's effort to close it.

They were backed by Orthodox rabbis who issued a declaration which implied that the soldiers should disobey their orders and refuse to remove the settlers.

A clash of weapons and a test of loyalties were avoided by the defence minister, Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, who ordered the closure, offering a compromise to save the government's face.

The settlers will be allowed to continue farming during the day and to keep their caravans and cow sheds on the site, but will not be allowed to sleep there.

The army will erect a lookout post on the land: a step which some settlers believe establishes a permanent Israeli presence there.

Itai Zar, a member of the family which began the settlement, predicted that the deal would ensure that it would grow.

"The place will stay and we will continue to live," he said. "The flag of Israel will not go down on the farm and with the help of G-d it will grow.

"This accomplishment is very important and will lead to the development of the farm."

Earlier in the day the defence ministry abandoned a threat to dismantle a second illegal outpost, Givat Assaf, near Ramallah, under pressure from rightwing parties.

The debacle may embarrass Mr Sharon, who is currently in Washington.

The White House wants his government to make a number of gestures to fend off Arab criticism, among them tackling the issue of illegal settlements.

But in Israel the climbdown is more likely to focus criticism on Mr Ben-Eliezer, who has been widely accused of ordering the closure of the settlements for his own political ends.

Although he sits in Mr Sharon's cabinet, he also leads the Labour party, the main challenger to Mr Sharon's Likud party.

A Labour leadership contest is looming and Mr Ben-Eliezer's critics have accused him of taking a hard line on illegal settlements in an attempt to gain the support of party moderates who have been critical of his past enthusiasm for Mr Sharon's hardline policies in the occupied territories.

Rabbis sympathetic to the settlers accused Mr Ben-Eliezer of a "cynical, blatantly political use of the army for his own ends".

The protesters at Havat Gilad agreed. They hung up signs calling on the troops to defy their orders to clear the settlement. "Soldiers, don't take part in [Mr Ben-Eliezer's] political race," said one.

"You have to distinguish between good and bad, friend and enemy. The role of the army is to hunt the enemy and not the people who love the land of Israel."

The government began dismantling illegal Jewish outposts in the West Bank last week, but Havat Gilad was the first with settlers in residence.

It is a crude settlement of two caravans, a makeshift synagogue without a roof and a cattle shed.

It is occupied by only a handful of people, led by Moshe and Yael Zar, who moved on to the land after the eldest of their eight children was shot dead by a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi gunman a few hundred metres away last year.

The settlement is called after the murdered son, Gilad.

Mrs Zar says she regards Havat Gilad as part of Israel, so they have every right to live there.

"The most important thing is to live in the land of Israel," she said. "But the point here is that it is also a strategic place. This is the way terrorists walk from Nablus to Tel Aviv, so it's important for us to have a presence here."

The authorities appear to have been caught off guard by the strength of feeling among the settlers.

The 1,000 who arrived on Havat Gilad's dusty plateau in solidarity planted dozens of Israeli flags, set up tents, and vented their anger by stoning Red Cross and journalists' cars.

Not all were happy with the government's retreat, saying that the Zar family should have stood firm on its right to sleep at the settlement.

A hardline veteran settlement leader, Danielle Weiss, chanted: "No agreement, no agreement!"

A man in the crowd shouted his disapproval."We came to fight. Next time you call us to fight we won't come," he said.

But other protesters were pleased with the outcome.

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Now you know why Israeli kapos arested "tellers"; and you're right they're mad in both senses of this word.
Sorry for citting the Al-Guardian.

[Wayne Jude]

What did you expect of the evil ones?

[Dexter]

Philistine ?
The Philistines do not exist since the 7th century B.C.E .

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Philistine ?
The Philistines do not exist since the 7th century B.C.E .

Philistines means invaders in hebrew; it's very fitting name for modern Palestinians.    

[Dexter]

Philistine ?
The Philistines do not exist since the 7th century B.C.E .

Philistines means invaders in hebrew; it's very fitting name for modern PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis.    

No one know what Plishtim means, the idea that it's means "Invaders" is nothing more than a guess .

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YES I KNOW POLSHIM BUT SINCE THEY NAME HEMSELF PHILISTINES THEY SHOULD BE  FROM THE AEGEAN MYCINE TO BE EXACT NOT ARABIAN

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YES I KNOW POLSHIM BUT SINCE THEY NAME HEMSELF PHILISTINES THEY SYHOULD BE  FROM THE AEGEAN MYCINE TO BE EXACT NOT ARABIAN

Acorrding to Genesis they are from the Island "Kaftor" (Button, for those who wonder) that now known as Rhodos.

[mord]

Well it's an Aegean island