Many blacks support murderer of white woman on Charlotte train (JTF video)

[Hrvatski Noahid]

I have seen some bad threads on this forum during my time here ( which is from the very start) but this one takes the cake... There is no escape of punishment for willful murder in Christian doctrine... Its considered a mortal sin... There will be a price to pay I don't see how moving and a person changing their name could absolve a sin like willful murder no mater any amount of repentance.

Repentance is one of the seven things God created before He created the world. It has a supernatural power to change a person.   

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

Repentance is one of the seven things God created before He created the world. It has a supernatural power to change a person.

בס''ד

There are sins in Judaism that are unforgivable even after repentance. I brought some obvious examples earlier in this thread which you are ignoring.

Another prominent example is King David, the most righteous king in history. The Mashiach (Messiah) will come from the lineage of David. David repented intensely after the sin of Bat Sheva and Uriyah the Hittite. David tore his clothes, sat on the floor and fasted 7 days. David begged Hashem to forgive him and begged Hashem to spare the life of the baby boy that was conceived as a result of his relations with Bat Sheva. But David's action caused the death of Uriyah and Hashem refused to forgive. David's baby boy died. And that was just the beginning of the punishment. Because of this terrible sin, David was unable to give a moral example to his children. David's son Amnon raped Tamar. David's other son Avshalom rebelled against him, removing David from the throne and causing a civil war in which 20,000 Jews were killed. David's son Avshalom was also killed in the battle. None of these terrible things happened until the Bat Sheva-Uriyah sin. Before the sin, everything David did was incredibly successful. Even at the end of his life, David paid a tremendous price. David became ill in his sixties and died at the age of 70, even though a righteous king like him should have lived a very long and healthy life.

I could give many other examples of how Hashem will not forgive a sin like intentional murder without punishing the murderer.

Once again, if what you are suggesting is correct, then Hitler could repent and be forgiven for murdering 6 million Jews (G-d forbid!). A god that would do that would be a monster.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

To repent for an extremely grave sin, such as murder, God forbid, the person should change his name, implying that he is no longer the same person as the one who did the sin, and he should exile himself to another place. It is taught in the Hebrew Bible that exile absolves one from sin, because it chastens a person and causes him to become humble and self-effacing.

Under The Noahide Laws, murderers are given the death penalty, as are any Non-Jew who violates any of the seven.

A place of refuge is only for a Jew who committed unintentional man slaughter.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

בס''ד

There are sins in Judaism that are unforgivable even after repentance. I brought some obvious examples earlier in this thread which you are ignoring.

Another prominent example is King David, the most righteous king in history. The Mashiach (Messiah) will come from the lineage of David. David repented intensely after the sin of Bat Sheva and Uriyah the Hittite. David tore his clothes, sat on the floor and fasted 7 days. David begged Hashem to forgive him and begged Hashem to spare the life of the baby boy that was conceived as a result of his relations with Bat Sheva. But David's action caused the death of Uriyah and Hashem refused to forgive. David's baby boy died. And that was just the beginning of the punishment. Because of this terrible sin, David was unable to give a moral example to his children. David's son Amnon raped Tamar. David's other son Avshalom rebelled against him, removing David from the throne and causing a civil war in which 20,000 Jews were killed. David's son Avshalom was also killed in the battle. None of these terrible things happened until the Bat Sheva-Uriyah sin. Before the sin, everything David did was incredibly successful. Even at the end of his life, David paid a tremendous price. David became ill in his sixties and died at the age of 70, even though a righteous king like him should have lived a very long and healthy life.

I could give many other examples of how Hashem will not forgive a sin like intentional murder without punishing the murderer.

Once again, if what you are suggesting is correct, then Hitler could repent and be forgiven for murdering 6 million Jews (G-d forbid!). A god that would do that would be a monster.

You keep bringing examples of Jews repenting and being punished by God. This is in accordance with Maimonides, Laws of Repentance chapter 1: "He will never achieve complete atonement until he endures suffering for concerning these sins, Psalms 89:33 states: “I will punish their transgression with a rod.”

This is the Jewish law. Rabbi Weiner writes in The Divine Code, 2nd edition, page 126 that God does not punish repentant Gentiles for the past.

There is no evidence that Hitler repented. Perhaps you picked this absurd and extreme example because you fear I am right. 

 

[Hrvatski Noahid]

Under The Noahide Laws, murderers are given the death penalty, as are any Non-Jew who violates any of the seven.

I explained there is a fundamental difference between punishment in a court of law and punishment in the eyes of God. A court of law is permitted to execute a convicted murderer.

[Nachus]

                                                                                                                          

 Because these are wicked animals that support
 atrocities such as this and actually animals
 are better than them as ‘their’ ignorance,
 jealousy and evil know no bounds and that
 is mainly why ‘today’ they are largely disliked
 and really not for most other reasons and dat
 is why dey is goin to Gehennum specially peeple
 like dat cuz dey is dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
 dumb and dey be evil ummhmmm. You can only
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 JTF the one Holy voice of truth, justice, and
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[Chaim Ben Pesach]

בס''ד

I don't have time now to continue this discussion but what I wrote in this thread represents the authentic Torah view.

[Hrvatski Noahid]

בס''ד

I don't have time now to continue this discussion but what I wrote in this thread represents the authentic Torah view.

Contextually, Maimonides writes that Yom Kippur brings atonement. How would Yom Kippur bring atonement for Gentiles who are neither obligated nor allowed to observe it? It doesn't. You cannot apply a more restrictive Jewish standard to Gentiles.

I checked the 2nd, 3rd and 4th editions of The Divine Code. They say that God forgives repentant Gentiles and does not punish them for the past.

An unrepentant Gentile who persecutes the community has a continuing punishment in purgatory.