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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ on December 30, 2008, 11:38:54 AM
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This question has been on my mind since a long time.
What is your opinion about Yoga. Some westerns claim that Yoga is used by Hindus to missionize Non-Hindus. Some others feel if they practice Yoga they become Hindu.
According to me it just a combination of Breathing and Stretching exercises and nothing to do with Hindu belief apart from the fact that it originated in India.
One of the foremost Yoga Master and a Religious Guru of India. Ramdev Baba has announced that Yoga can be practised by anyone as long as its beneficial by people of any belief.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/if-not-om-then-allah-god-will-also-do-for-ramdevs-yoga/381513/
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I don't think yoga is being used to missionize to non-Hindus at all. It's just another form of exercise.
But with that being said, I don't care for any of the yoga DVD's I've ever tried. The teachers all assume that everyone is as flexible as they are. They never show any modifications for people who are less flexible. (It's the same thing with Pilates. I can't for the life of me do a roll-up without lifting my feet.)
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts,Yes it is difficult specially if you are trying to learn in using DVD's..
I dont know much Yoga and never really tried to learn it. I learnt Reiki but its from the Orient.
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A problem is that meditations involve hindu gods or something.. For jews to meditate over these things is not allowed.
most jews if they did yoga would not know that Om is some deity of some sort.
they could perhaps make it kosher by changing the meditation, as that link suggests.
your link said..
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Dehradun, November 4: In a bid to popularise yoga among people other than Hindus, Baba Ramdev has said one can initiate the exercise without pronouncing the word ‘Om’ and can substitute it with ‘Allah’ or ‘God’. Ramdev’s Haridwar-based Patanjali Yogapeeth has asked its Christian and Muslim followers to begin yoga with a prolonged utterance of Allah or God.
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There are jewish meditations.. the main thing is the focus is to G-d and not to other deities.
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^^ so if a Jew focuses on God while practicing Yogic meditation, then it would be fine?
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^^ so if a Jew focuses on G-d while practicing Yogic meditation, then it would be fine?
it's ok.
it's better to be serving G-d. I wouldn't necessarily call meditating over G-d in a yogic manner as serving G-d, but then neither is going to a football match. I suppose it's legally ok.. But if you are really really devoted then you wouldn't go to a football match or do kosher yoga. Some religious jews refuse to have a television, and some refuse to have the internet, this goes beyond the law though. So yeah, it's OK.
aside from that, jews that are very into mysticism might take issue with certain chakra points.. They probably wouldn't touch yoga anyway though.. They'd look at jewish meditation. I know of 2 books, well, 3, books on it.. 2 by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan(should be quite reliable), and one by Gil Locks(former guru!).
Gil Locks has a view of G-d that is very kabbalistic. Don't worry about those audios..
But these 2 audios may be of interest to you. They are entertaining. He did 2 interviews on A7 radio.
He is a Jew - born jewish - but secular upbringing, he went to india, was a guru type there, came to america, in guru character.. Then returned to judaism.
It's an entertaining and funny story Anybody would like it.
I heard the interviews on A7 at the time.. I guess these 2 links work.
http://www.thereisone.com/audio/arutzsheva.wma
http://www.thereisone.com/audio/isr10.17.06.wax
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I wouldn't want to do it because nobody knows exactly what the poses mean. I don't want to send an unintended message to the spirit world.
A problem is that meditations involve hindu gods or something.. For jews to meditate over these things is not allowed.
It's not allowed for Christians either.
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Yoga is simply an exercise program. You are allowed to use any visualization that you wish, so long as you feel a personal spiritual connection to that image
OM is not related to a G-d image, It is a mantra that is designed to send energy to the Heart Center (as per a Buddhist monk
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Yoga is simply an exercise program. You are allowed to use any visualization that you wish, so long as you feel a personal spiritual connection to that image
OM is not related to a G-d image, It is a mantra that is designed to send energy to the Heart Center (as per a Buddhist monk
Some of the new age type people say that OM is a contraction for God's name and they use it that way to say that they are god. I know it probably doesn't mean that in India but that's how some of the new age people in America use it. They steal a little bit from every religion and warp it.
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Interesting points there q_q_ and Rubystars..
As the Yoga Master himself said, the world "Om" can be substituted with "G-d" while practising Yoga
Meanwhile Islamic Malayasia has banned Yoga from their country saying it is Haram, and i think most Muslim countries are looking to do that..
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Yoga has helped me overcome various sports injuries, it is awesome.
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<HUMOR>
Yoga is awesome with the light sabre!
(http://www.the-planets.com/star-biography/yoda_biography_3.jpg)
</HUMOR>
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Oh please lighten up! It's just excercise. Next we'll be discussing whether or not weight lifting and aerobics is permitted due some obscure interpretation of religious law.
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Oh please lighten up! It's just excercise. Next we'll be discussing whether or not weight lifting and aerobics is permitted due some obscure interpretation of religious law.
It is important for a Jew to not engage in activities which involve idol worship, sexual immodesty, and blood shedding. Also a Jew should not engage in activities a non-Jew engages in. These are not obscure interpretation of religious law, this is the definition of being a Jew. A Jew who acts like a non-Jew is just like a non-Jew.
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Oh please lighten up! It's just excercise. Next we'll be discussing whether or not weight lifting and aerobics is permitted due some obscure interpretation of religious law.
It is important for a Jew to not engage in activities which involve idol worship, sexual immodesty, and blood shedding. Also a Jew should not engage in activities a non-Jew engages in. These are not obscure interpretation of religious law, this is the definition of being a Jew. A Jew who acts like a non-Jew is just like a non-Jew.
What in Yoga involves blood shedding?
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Oh please lighten up! It's just excercise. Next we'll be discussing whether or not weight lifting and aerobics is permitted due some obscure interpretation of religious law.
It is important for a Jew to not engage in activities which involve idol worship, sexual immodesty, and blood shedding. Also a Jew should not engage in activities a non-Jew engages in. These are not obscure interpretation of religious law, this is the definition of being a Jew. A Jew who acts like a non-Jew is just like a non-Jew.
Well, there's acting like a Jew, and then there's obsessive compulisive disorder, one should know when they're crossing that line. ???
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Interesting points there q_q_ and Rubystars..
As the Yoga Master himself said, the world "Om" can be substituted with "G-d" while practising Yoga
Meanwhile Islamic Malayasia has banned Yoga from their country saying it is Haram, and i think most Muslim countries are looking to do that..
My main concern is that it could be the positions themselves that send a message, like whole-body sign language to the spirit world. Obviously whatever gd or G-d that is focused on, the exercises themself seem very spiritual in nature.
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Oh please lighten up! It's just excercise. Next we'll be discussing whether or not weight lifting and aerobics is permitted due some obscure interpretation of religious law.
It is important for a Jew to not engage in activities which involve idol worship, sexual immodesty, and blood shedding. Also a Jew should not engage in activities a non-Jew engages in. These are not obscure interpretation of religious law, this is the definition of being a Jew. A Jew who acts like a non-Jew is just like a non-Jew.
What in Yoga involves blood shedding?
I was not saying that Yogo in itself involves all three sins but it seems to involve at least 2 of them...
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Oh please lighten up! It's just excercise. Next we'll be discussing whether or not weight lifting and aerobics is permitted due some obscure interpretation of religious law.
It is important for a Jew to not engage in activities which involve idol worship, sexual immodesty, and blood shedding. Also a Jew should not engage in activities a non-Jew engages in. These are not obscure interpretation of religious law, this is the definition of being a Jew. A Jew who acts like a non-Jew is just like a non-Jew.
What in Yoga involves blood shedding?
I was not saying that Yogo in itself involves all three sins but it seems to involve at least 2 of them...
It can be done without the idolatrous chants..
It's an activity for the body with health benefits, it involves exercise and breathing..
I don't think we would refrain from every activity that non-jews do.
Non-jews don't exercise.. Maybe you don't exercise because you think that you can't because non-jews do it. But you'd be in better shape if you did.
There are little things, customs that non-jews do that we don't..
Jews used to put flowers on graves, non-jews started, so we stopped and put stones.
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Muman there are lots of activities that non Jews engage in like jogging, walking, swimming, etc. Does that mean Jews shouldn't do those things? I find that hard to believe.
Also, what if you just do the yoga exercises without the meditations? There are dvd's that just have the movements without the meditation stuff. What's wrong with that?
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Muman there are lots of activities that non Jews engage in like jogging, walking, swimming, etc. Does that mean Jews shouldn't do those things? I find that hard to believe.
Also, what if you just do the yoga exercises without the meditations? There are dvd's that just have the movements without the meditation stuff. What's wrong with that?
It is a matter of customs of non-Jews which Jews are not supposed to emulate. This is straight from Torah:
From the book of Leviticus, Parasha Vayikra 18:3-4
3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do; and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do; neither shall ye walk in their statutes.
4 Mine ordinances shall ye do, and My statutes shall ye keep, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
From : http://www.ou.org/torah/ti/5764/achareiked64.htm
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Simply understood, the verses teach us that whenever we live among non-Jews we should be cautious not to learn their ways or adopt their values. Rashi, however, is bothered by the repetitive nature of the restricting phrases, and so he understands that God is warning Israel who are now in the desert that the Egyptians of Goshen "where you dwelt" as well as the Canaanites of Israel where "I am taking you," are the most corrupt of the nations. Thus, you must be especially careful not to be influenced by their lifestyle.
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Believe it or not, the Christians argue about these things, too.... :laugh:
Take Martial Arts, some say it's ok and others say it's a sin....
I think this comes in to where each person has to work it out between themselves and G-d....
Thats my thought, anyway....
They also argue about the yoga thing.
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When I was heavily into conducting, I had to practice yoga, as well as tai chi and ballet. I found yoga to be by far the most helpful of the three. Our muscles are capable of far more than we put them through and yoga is good precisely because it causes your muscles to work and extend beyond their normal range. It's also great for people who have trouble sleeping.
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When I was heavily into conducting, I had to practice yoga, as well as tai chi and ballet. I found yoga to be by far the most helpful of the three. Our muscles are capable of far more than we put them through and yoga is good precisely because it causes your muscles to work and extend beyond their normal range. It's also great for people who have trouble sleeping.
yeah, the thought of twisting your foot round to the back of your head can make one want to stay in bed(or under it) ;-)
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tastes good with granola ;D
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Yoga originated within Hindu religious philosophy and is very much connected to it. Jews are not permitted to be a part of idolatrous worship. Substituting the idols' names with "G-d" doesn't solve the problem, because Jews are forbidden to serve G-d in the same manner that idols are served, and vice versa.
so meditate over what your dinner is going to be. Yoga doesn't have to be serving G-d!
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tastes good with granola ;D
:::D
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Keep in mind that there are different types of yoga. There are also different types of martial arts. Some forms of yoga may be polytheistic while others may be permitted.
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Yoga originated within Hindu religious philosophy and is very much connected to it. Jews are not permitted to be a part of idolatrous worship. Substituting the idols' names with "G-d" doesn't solve the problem, because Jews are forbidden to serve G-d in the same manner that idols are served, and vice versa.
so meditate over what your dinner is going to be. Yoga doesn't have to be serving G-d!
It still emulates idolatrous worship.
what, meditating over what you'll eat for dinner?
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It still emulates idolatrous worship.
what, meditating over what you'll eat for dinner?
Yep.
ok, leave the Gingerbread men out of your dinner..
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We have had some threads here on the forum however this one takes the cake or should I say the gingerbread man. :laugh:
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I'm with you on this one q_q_, but can you explain the Gingerbread Men reference.
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I'm with you on this one q_q_, but can you explain the Gingerbread Men reference.
Trying to find ways that meditating over one's dinner is idolatry or emulating idolatry. It's a long shot, but a gingerbread man could be seen as an idol if it is meditated over..
I suppose that could apply to a chicken too. If a person is meditating over his chicken , he may be a bit crazy, pleading to it to show mercy on him in the next world.. and forgive him for eating it. A more extreme chicken meditator may worship the chicken and ascribe divine powers to it. That is definitely forbidden.
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I'm with you on this one q_q_, but can you explain the Gingerbread Men reference.
Trying to find ways that meditating over one's dinner is idolatry or emulating idolatry. It's a long shot, but a gingerbread man could be seen as an idol if it is meditated over..
I suppose that could apply to a chicken too. If a person is meditating over his chicken , he may be a bit crazy, pleading to it to show mercy on him in the next world.. and forgive him for eating it. A more extreme chicken meditator may worship the chicken and ascribe divine powers to it. That is definitely forbidden.
Thank You for taking the time to explain.
Now excuse me while I :::D
Thanks for the laugh.
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Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. ::)
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Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. ::)
I suppose that any set of rules if you struggle to keep them and fail, but keep struggling, and they just take over your life, could give symptoms alike to OCD, but it's not OCD. It's OCD if the person doesn't have a good reason.
I once heard that a jew that was not religious, but exploring judaism, looked through a book on the laws of shabbat. They are so intricate.. you can't do this, you can't do that.. She was horrified, she thought this looks like OCD..
Then she went to people for shabbat, and realised how the day has its own atmosphere and people experienced at it don't think "oh, I can't open an umbrella, can I". Or, "oh, I can't tear paper". They wouldn't think to open an umbrella. And like a recipe, they have the toilet paper ready cut.. and even a box of toilet tissues - each one is separate.
You could look at brushing your teeth, or cooking or eating, and call it OCD. (every day he does this crazy routine!!) But it's not crazy, there are good reasons for it!
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Yeah but you can't constantly pick apart life LOOKING for stuff to be forbidden, it is obsessive. But whatever to each his own.
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Yeah but you can't constantly pick apart life LOOKING for stuff to be forbidden, it is obsessive. But whatever to each his own.
As rabbi kahane said.. "Life is essentially a question of values"
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/meir_kahane.html
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Yeah but you can't constantly pick apart life LOOKING for stuff to be forbidden, it is obsessive. But whatever to each his own.
If you believe in Judaism you don't look for things to be forbidden. We accept that some things are allowed and some are not. Just as there are rules in nature like gravity, when you drop something it falls, regardless of whether you want it to fall or not. We realize that there are spiritual laws which must me kept. If you don't accept this then you don't accept Judaism at all. There is nothing obsessive about this.
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Yeah but you can't constantly pick apart life LOOKING for stuff to be forbidden, it is obsessive. But whatever to each his own.
If you believe in Judaism you don't look for things to be forbidden. We accept that some things are allowed and some are not. Just as there are rules in nature like gravity, when you drop something it falls, regardless of whether you want it to fall or not. We realize that there are spiritual laws which must me kept. If you don't accept this then you don't accept Judaism at all. There is nothing obsessive about this.
That's why I finished my post with the words "to each his own".
Not going to spend my life looking at this face. LOL :nono:
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Yeah but you can't constantly pick apart life LOOKING for stuff to be forbidden, it is obsessive. But whatever to each his own.
If you believe in Judaism you don't look for things to be forbidden. We accept that some things are allowed and some are not. Just as there are rules in nature like gravity, when you drop something it falls, regardless of whether you want it to fall or not. We realize that there are spiritual laws which must me kept. If you don't accept this then you don't accept Judaism at all. There is nothing obsessive about this.
That's why I finished my post with the words "to each his own".
Not going to spend my life looking at this face. LOL :nono:
Does this imply that you enjoy transgressing the mitzvot? I really don't understand why people have such a problem with accepting the commandments. Only a person with a uncontrolled ego would have a problem. I accept that my ideas about morality and purpose in life are formed by my perspective and not from reality. I accept that Torah which was handed down from generation to generation has answers to questions which I cannot rationally deduce. Life has not worked in a logical and ego fufilling manner so I have to come to the conclusion that there is more here than meets the eye.
It started with one mitzvah, which led to another. I did Teshuva {return} and am now more observant than anyone in my family. I have influenced my father and mother to become more learned in Jewish ideology {which is a mitzvah} and discuss Torah with anyone who is interested.
I was an uncontrollable beast before I returned to the path. I thought I knew everything, more than my parents, more than my teachers. But truth is truth and I know virtually nothing. The first step to accepting the yoke of heaven is called bittul {self-nullification}. I realize that as smart and powerful in the software engineering field I am {and I know that I am gifted because of my resume} I really don't know anything about the Olam {world/hiddenness of G-d}.
If you are Jewish there is a whole world of knowledge and understanding waiting for you...
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Yeah but you can't constantly pick apart life LOOKING for stuff to be forbidden, it is obsessive. But whatever to each his own.
If you believe in Judaism you don't look for things to be forbidden. We accept that some things are allowed and some are not. Just as there are rules in nature like gravity, when you drop something it falls, regardless of whether you want it to fall or not. We realize that there are spiritual laws which must me kept. If you don't accept this then you don't accept Judaism at all. There is nothing obsessive about this.
That's why I finished my post with the words "to each his own".
Not going to spend my life looking at this face. LOL :nono:
Does this imply that you enjoy transgressing the mitzvot?
<snip long stuff about mitzvot>
If you are Jewish there is a whole world of knowledge and understanding waiting for you...
You should have said that second sentence first.
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"Does this imply that you enjoy transgressing the mitzvot? "
Okay, a little background so you know where I'm coming from. I'm Jewish, Sepharadic, but have pretty much zero Jewish education, don't read or speak hebrew; I was born and raised in New York, so I'm more a secular American than Jewish if you go by my lifestyle.
So to answer your question, it's not about "enjoying" it, it's about not having any knowledge or anything to do with it to begin with. To be honest, if I was asked where I'd feel more comfortable, in Brooklyn with a bunch of Orthodox Jews, or in Iowa with some corn fed red blooded Americans, I'd have to say I'd probably be more comfortable with and have more in common lifestyle-wise with the guys from Iowa.
That said, I'm vigorously pro-Israel, and I guess you can say as Kahanist as a secular Jew can be; In my estimation, that makes me better than a liberal shmuck that goes to synagogue, keeps kosher, but sides with Israel's enemies.
Strange old world we live in isn't it?
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<snip>
You should have said that second sentence first.
Shoot... I can't do anything right! Can I?
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My mom takes Yoga because she has Multiple Sclerosis.
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I think Yoga is a prime form of exercise as it involves flexibility, strength, breathing, balance. However it lacks dexterity, agility and cardio exercise. It is also hard to practice, at list from my limited experience. I have tried to learn some Yoga from the book "light on yoga" by Iyengar. But most asanas require very high flexibility and there is no well graded path from basic asanas to advanced ones.
Anyay Yoga is just a form of exercise.
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My mom takes Yoga because she has Multiple Sclerosis.
I think Yoga is a very good form of exercise. Probably very 'gentle' on the body and mind.
I can understand why your Mom takes Yoga classes.
It doesn't have to be performed perfectly. I think the point is to increase your flexability.
I have taken Yoga classes. Never was it a religious experience. That is what I'm missing in this debate.
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bullcat the exercises themselves if done in a secular way probably aren't religious. I don't have a problem with that so much. I do think that perhaps people should be careful though. There are a lot of different types of yoga. I've heard some of them can be dangerous.
According to Tantra, kundalini energy rests like a coiled serpent at the base of the spine. When this dormant energy flows freely upward through the seven chakras (energy centers) and leads to an expanded state of consciousness, it's known as a kundalini awakening.
For some, the experience can be blissful and filled with feelings of love and a sense of the interconnectedness of all things. For others, it can feel more like a bad drug trip, or even a psychotic break, where practitioners go through altered sleep cycles, changes in identity, or depression. This discrepancy has led many Westerners to fear the coiled serpent resting in their spine, ready to strike.
Maybe it's all just in their own mind, or maybe it's something spiritual, but either way, I wouldn't want to get involved in anything that could imitate a psychotic break.
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My mom takes Yoga because she has Multiple Sclerosis.
I think Yoga is a very good form of exercise. Probably very 'gentle' on the body and mind.
I can understand why your Mom takes Yoga classes.
It doesn't have to be performed perfectly. I think the point is to increase your flexability.
I have taken Yoga classes. Never was it a religious experience. That is what I'm missing in this debate.
well if you're doing some exercise routine designed in a foreign land, something so foreign that if you were told that the exercise you were doing was called the balu farhar shamaleetaktak which means the double belly stretch of the warrior lioness, you would just nod unquestioningly. So don't be suprised if some of the hums, and well timed Ohs and Ahs and Ums and whatever, are some kind of names of idols that the ancient practioners meditated on, and you're meditating over those names, saying those names.. not realising the meaning behind it. You'd be better off with a non-idolatrous version since you just want the exercise.
then you wouldn't know
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My mom takes Yoga because she has Multiple Sclerosis.
I think Yoga is a very good form of exercise. Probably very 'gentle' on the body and mind.
I can understand why your Mom takes Yoga classes.
It doesn't have to be performed perfectly. I think the point is to increase your flexability.
I have taken Yoga classes. Never was it a religious experience. That is what I'm missing in this debate.
well if you're doing some exercise routine designed in a foreign land, something so foreign that if you were told that the exercise you were doing was called the balu farhar shamaleetaktak which means the double belly stretch of the warrior lioness, you would just nod unquestioningly. So don't be suprised if some of the hums, and well timed Ohs and Ahs and Ums and whatever, are some kind of names of idols that the ancient practioners meditated on, and you're meditating over those names, saying those names.. not realising the meaning behind it. You'd be better off with a non-idolatrous version since you just want the exercise.
then you wouldn't know
Ignorance is bliss they say.
I don't worship false idols.
I believe in God.
I have nothing to fear from the double belly stretch of the warrior lioness.
Except for sore muscles.
Why must everything be over anaylyzed in life?
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My mom takes Yoga because she has Multiple Sclerosis.
I think Yoga is a very good form of exercise. Probably very 'gentle' on the body and mind.
I can understand why your Mom takes Yoga classes.
It doesn't have to be performed perfectly. I think the point is to increase your flexability.
I have taken Yoga classes. Never was it a religious experience. That is what I'm missing in this debate.
well if you're doing some exercise routine designed in a foreign land, something so foreign that if you were told that the exercise you were doing was called the balu farhar shamaleetaktak which means the double belly stretch of the warrior lioness, you would just nod unquestioningly. So don't be suprised if some of the hums, and well timed Ohs and Ahs and Ums and whatever, are some kind of names of idols that the ancient practioners meditated on, and you're meditating over those names, saying those names.. not realising the meaning behind it. You'd be better off with a non-idolatrous version since you just want the exercise.
then you wouldn't know
My question......Is it idolatrous if the person doing the yoga is doing it for exercise sake and could not care less what all the chanting means?
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Ok, i see there is a lot of confusions over Yoga
First, Yoga was not propogated by Hindu Gods and thus Yoga naturally lies outside the domain of Hindusim. Yoga was created by Yogis, Yogis are Saint like people.. they did not worship any kind of Idols. In simple terms,some yogis meditated on the Supreme Being, while some yogis do not even meditate on anything ..During anceint times Yogis used go to remote places where no humans can disturb them, like forests,Mountains..etc They used to meditate for years without any food, their only aim was to know "G-d" , the search for "truth". Consider a Yogi meditating and asking questions repeatedly to his inner self "Who am I, Who is controller of the World" . By continously asking questions, they used to transcend into some special realm and used to achieve supreme bliss. As meditating for years without much food and horrible climatic conditions, it was essential for them to develop certain excercises to remain fit in order to achieve their goals, This is how Physical Yoga came into being. So these excersies were deviced by these mystic men for Health reasons in their quest for spirituality.
In simple terms "Yoga" means Practise of physical or mental aspects of human beings to obtain certain goals. Yoga DOES NOT mean Exercises or Mediation alone..
Thus any person belonging to any faith is always indulging in some form of Yoga or other through various kinds of work. Hence many kinds of Yogas came into being.
Karma yoga: The yoga of action (any action good or bad)
Bhakti yoga: The yoga of devotion (Service to G-d)
Jnana yoga: The yoga of knowledge (Study of Holy books)
Hatha Yoga: The yoga of just Physical Self and/or Mental Self
Raja Yoga: The yoga of Mental Self
Pranava Yoga: The yoga of Mental Self (meditating of Aum)
Kundalini yoga: Combination of Physical,Mental and Breathing techniques. The most dangerous form of Yoga. Has to be done perfectly else its fatal, i have lost one of my relative to this. Yoga masters themself do not try this.
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My mom takes Yoga because she has Multiple Sclerosis.
I think Yoga is a very good form of exercise. Probably very 'gentle' on the body and mind.
I can understand why your Mom takes Yoga classes.
It doesn't have to be performed perfectly. I think the point is to increase your flexability.
I have taken Yoga classes. Never was it a religious experience. That is what I'm missing in this debate.
well if you're doing some exercise routine designed in a foreign land, something so foreign that if you were told that the exercise you were doing was called the balu farhar shamaleetaktak which means the double belly stretch of the warrior lioness, you would just nod unquestioningly. So don't be suprised if some of the hums, and well timed Ohs and Ahs and Ums and whatever, are some kind of names of idols that the ancient practioners meditated on, and you're meditating over those names, saying those names.. not realising the meaning behind it. You'd be better off with a non-idolatrous version since you just want the exercise.
then you wouldn't know
My question......Is it idolatrous if the person doing the yoga is doing it for exercise sake and could not care less what all the chanting means?
well it's a bit like a person that is fooled into bowing to an idol.. not quite as bad - fooled into meditating over the name of one, but it's a very negative thing.. Though it's not being fooled. Internally you are well aware that it is just the word for its meditative uses.
whether it's technically idolatry or not may just be a question of how strict you want to be.
you could look up about yoga for christians, or something. So you know what chants are problematic. It's really just some of the chants that need changing.. Maybe you could even go to a regular class and when you do it you could sit away from the crowd so you don't distract them, and replace Om with Omb or bomb or maybe better, with a word made from the same kind of part of the mouth, so replace Om with Ob or Off. Or since you're so far away from them "Toff"(a british slang word for members of the upper classes ;-)) They might nod and you'll have invented a new group yoga exercise.
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:::D I have never chanted during Yoga class. The exercise form, I participated in, that won't kill you if not performed perfectly.
I must thank you q_q_. I don't think I will ever exercise again without chanting in my head. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb or Toff, Toff, Toff.
;D
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well it's a bit like a person that is fooled into bowing to an idol.. not quite as bad - fooled into meditating over the name of one, but it's a very negative thing.. Though it's not being fooled. Internally you are well aware that it is just the word for its meditative uses.
whether it's technically idolatry or not may just be a question of how strict you want to be.
I'm with you as far as the idol worship goes q_q and yoga is just not for me in any form. I am so tired at the end of the day from all my activities exercising is almost not in the cards. I have a thread mill and exercise bike I use from time to time in the winter while watching the news on TV but that's about it. I was just exploring what folks think could be idolatrous. I like your answer.
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That lovely actress Janine Turner has made a DVD which teaches "Christian Yoga".
I'm still of the opinion that there's no problem with Yoga to begin with and you're all really being over the top.
Too much of this. :nono:
I'll just do this... :jump:
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:::D I have never chanted during Yoga class. The exercise form, I participated in, that won't kill you if not performed perfectly.
I must thank you q_q_. I don't think I will ever exercise again without chanting in my head. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb or Toff, Toff, Toff.
;D
careful with the bomb bomb bomb one though, you don't want to hypnotize yourself (though hypnotizing yourself to bomb Ahmedinejad's toilet while he's busy on it might be a good idea)
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The only one medatative style I ever learned was called Hamsa meditation as taught by Swami Muktananda. I learned this while in my late teens and it involved a mantra of concentrating on the breathing in and out, on the in breath you would concentrate on Ham... On the out breath you would concentrate on Sa... It has been many, many {maybe 25 years} since I tried that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Muktananda
I just found a web page which discusses this style:
http://www.alternative-medicine.net/meditation/english.html
How to Meditate
There are many ways to meditate. They all seem to lead to the same place, so find one that suits you. Here I describe a classic meditation that is simple and easy.
Mantras: A mantra is a sound, word, or phrase that is repeated to yourself. It could be spoken aloud, as a chant, or silently, as in meditation. Many people think that the best mantras are sounds which have no clear meaning, and are used as a way of displacing your usual thoughts and moving your awareness inward. There are many mantras ranging from words taken from Hindu Sanskrit to Christian scripture (especially when "saying the rosary," where the repetition of the prayer is meditative). If you do not already know of a good mantra to use I suggest you use "hamsa." This is a natural mantra, being the sound that one makes when breathing, with "ham" (h-ah-m) on inhalation and "sa" (s-ah) on exhalation.
Directions for the hamsa meditation:
* Sit comfortably. A quiet place is preferred, but not required.
* Close your eyes. Breathe naturally. Sit for about one minute before you begin thinking the mantra to allow your heart and breathing to slow.
* Gently bring your attention to your breath and begin to think the mantra, gently and easily. Just let it come, don't force it. Think "ham" on the inhale and "sa" on the exhale. Allow yourself to be absorbed in it.
* Allow your thoughts and feelings to come and go with detachment. Don't try to control them in any way. Just note them, and when you realize that you are not repeating the mantra, gently return to the mantra. Do not try to force yourself to think the mantra to the exclusion of all other thoughts. You may experience a deep state of relaxation but it is OK if you don't.
* Meditate in this way for 20 minutes (children for less time).
* When done, take about a minute to slowly return to normal awareness. Be gentle with yourself when opening your eyes or coming to stand after a meditation. It isn't good for your heart to get up quickly after the state of deep rest that is often a result of meditation. Note: It is OK to glance at a clock to time the meditation. **Don't use an alarm timer.**
There is much written on this Hamsa meditation mantra.
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:::D I have never chanted during Yoga class. The exercise form, I participated in, that won't kill you if not performed perfectly.
I must thank you q_q_. I don't think I will ever exercise again without chanting in my head. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb or Toff, Toff, Toff.
;D
careful with the bomb bomb bomb one though, you don't want to hypnotize yourself (though hypnotizing yourself to bomb Ahmedinejad's toilet while he's busy on it might be a good idea)
Might be.
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:::D I have never chanted during Yoga class. The exercise form, I participated in, that won't kill you if not performed perfectly.
I must thank you q_q_. I don't think I will ever exercise again without chanting in my head. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb or Toff, Toff, Toff.
;D
careful with the bomb bomb bomb one though, you don't want to hypnotize yourself (though hypnotizing yourself to bomb Ahmedinejad's toilet while he's busy on it might be a good idea)
Might be.
well people might call you "the toilet bomber". I dont think that's a nice title for a woman, particularly inappropriate for a lady of valour, like yourself.
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This discussion is just getting silly...
Toilet Bomber... Oy vey!
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This discussion is just getting silly...
Toilet Bomber... Oy vey!
that's not funny, don't ruin things.
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:::D I have never chanted during Yoga class. The exercise form, I participated in, that won't kill you if not performed perfectly.
I must thank you q_q_. I don't think I will ever exercise again without chanting in my head. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb or Toff, Toff, Toff.
;D
careful with the bomb bomb bomb one though, you don't want to hypnotize yourself (though hypnotizing yourself to bomb Ahmedinejad's toilet while he's busy on it might be a good idea)
Might be.
well people might call you "the toilet bomber". I dont think that's a nice title for a woman, particularly inappropriate for a lady of valour, like yourself.
Yes. I think you're right q_q_. It might spoil my image. It takes courage and valor to put that melon on my head every day. Thanks for thinking of my image. ;D
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This discussion is just getting silly...
Toilet Bomber... Oy vey!
Sometimes you have to laugh Muman. That's not a bad thing.
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:::D I have never chanted during Yoga class. The exercise form, I participated in, that won't kill you if not performed perfectly.
I must thank you q_q_. I don't think I will ever exercise again without chanting in my head. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb or Toff, Toff, Toff.
;D
careful with the bomb bomb bomb one though, you don't want to hypnotize yourself (though hypnotizing yourself to bomb Ahmedinejad's toilet while he's busy on it might be a good idea)
Might be.
well people might call you "the toilet bomber". I dont think that's a nice title for a woman, particularly inappropriate for a lady of valour, like yourself.
Yes. I think you're right q_q_. It might spoil my image. It takes courage and valour to put that melon on my head every day. Thanks for thinking of my image. ;D
alright, you're an armchair hero, or if you're in your bedroom, a bedroom hero(that's practical!!). I'm sure that if you could access a bomb, and you had a tunnel long enough to get to the proper location in iran, you would bomb Ahmedinejad's toilet! and then you would be a real hero. So it's a thin line between being a wannabe hero and a hero, it's a question of opportunity!
I must pick out your spelling of valour. I am british so I spell it valour. You though as an american, should spell it valor. Like colour and color.
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I knew it was spelled valor.
I must admit to being too lazy to check myself last night.
It's true.
I came back here to change it this morning and here you are :nono:!
That's ok...you wouldn't be q_q_ if you weren't.
And q_q_...what if I want to spell it valour?
Will I be written a ticket?
;D
PS - Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
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British spellings are correct, but are not supported by American softwares. So American spellings are getting more and more popularity at the cost of Oxford and Bhargava Dictionaries.
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Since people have been online a lot of Americans use British spellings because they think it's nice. I'd much rather see Americans imitate the British than Africans for once. I hope that's ok.
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I knew it was spelled valor.
I must admit to being too lazy to check myself last night.
It's true.
I came back here to change it this morning and here you are :nono:!
That's ok...you wouldn't be q_q_ if you weren't.
And q_q_...what if I want to spell it valour?
Will I be written a ticket?
;D
PS - Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
America is a great country, and you've built yourself your own dumbed down spellings, you should be proud and use them!
for example, Aeroplane is a bit difficult for you americans to even say, so you say Airplane
Aluminium is a bit difficult, that ium, just far too hard. So many americans write aluminum (with funny syllabic stress too).
The "our" of colour and valour, vigour e.t.c. become "or" in america. Color, valor, vigor.
cheque(as in bank) becomes check
You can't blame african americans for those!
I just hope you won't be writing "axe" too commonly in the future - as in I is go-in-a/goner axe a question!
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Kundalini yoga: Combination of Physical,Mental and Breathing techniques. The most dangerous form of Yoga. Has to be done perfectly else its fatal, i have lost one of my relative to this. Yoga masters themself do not try this.
I've heard of people dying from it but I didn't know if it was true or not. That's truly scary. I'm sorry you lost your relative to that.
How can that happen? Is it something about raising the body temperature?
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that guy I linked to, Gil Locks, when he went to india, did Sidda meditations, Siddha Yoga I suppose.. He reached the highest level, saw blue pearls or something. He had people dropping to his feet , because they sensed powers he had gained. He started hearing voices telling him to do things. He said he had more voices in his head than israel national radio.. He described how he got himself into one situation where his body kept sleeping his mind waking him up, he'd bounce up and his head hit the low ceiling, and he had to get out of that cycle. He returned to america and at one point his routine was to meditate 10 hours a day, he also did 23 hours a day for a while, and for one hour he'd have a bit of ice cream or something.. He was in the papers, he sat on a park bench , just sat there and everybody was just attracted to him and wanted to be around him, crime in the area went down while he was there. His story is really crazy!!
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Meditation is a whole other thing that's scary to me. I mean I heard if you get really into it, it could mimic hallucinogenic experiences. It's interesting to note that many hallucinogens are actually manufactured by the brain itself.
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I knew it was spelled valor.
I must admit to being too lazy to check myself last night.
It's true.
I came back here to change it this morning and here you are :nono:!
That's ok...you wouldn't be q_q_ if you weren't.
And q_q_...what if I want to spell it valour?
Will I be written a ticket?
;D
PS - Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
America is a great country, and you've built yourself your own dumbed down spellings, you should be proud and use them!
for example, Aeroplane is a bit difficult for you americans to even say, so you say Airplane
Aluminium is a bit difficult, that ium, just far too hard. So many americans write aluminum (with funny syllabic stress too).
The "our" of colour and valour, vigour e.t.c. become "or" in america. Color, valor, vigor.
cheque(as in bank) becomes check
You can't blame african americans for those!
I just hope you won't be writing "axe" too commonly in the future - as in I is go-in-a/goner axe a question!
I'm not gonna axe you nothin q_q_.
We're Americans.
We don't have time to put on airs.
Those extra letter might look pretty, other then that they serve no purpose.
I take it back. Let me axe you. Does it hurt your head to think so much? Maybe you should meditate.
Just kidding. I like having the grammar and spelling police on the forum. ;)
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Hindus and Jews are the only hope for this planet. No one else seems to be interested in winning the war Muslims have declared on us.
If Yoga brings our two cultures together and fosters mutual understanding, it is a great thing.
Hinduism has a lot to offer beyond Yoga. It doesn't make you any less a Jew if you learn about Hinduism. We are in this together.
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<snip> I like having the grammar and spelling police on the forum. ;)
I'm a good spelling policeman, but I don't watch grammar..
Maybe JTF should put out an ad for a grammar policeman?
or policewoman, imagine that!
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<snip> I like having the grammar and spelling police on the forum. ;)
I'm a good spelling policeman, but I don't watch grammar..
Maybe JTF should put out an ad for a grammar policeman?
or policewoman, imagine that!
I can imagine it. I just can't apply. :'(
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<snip> I like having the grammar and spelling police on the forum. ;)
I'm a good spelling policeman, but I don't watch grammar..
Maybe JTF should put out an ad for a grammar policeman?
or policewoman, imagine that!
I can imagine it. I just can't apply. :'(
You'd be the only applicant, you'd get the position, and you could make up the rules as you go along. You could write your own rule book and pedantically enforce every rule.
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Hindus and Jews are the only hope for this planet. No one else seems to be interested in winning the war Muslims have declared on us.
If Yoga brings our two cultures together and fosters mutual understanding, it is a great thing.
Hinduism has a lot to offer beyond Yoga. It doesn't make you any less a Jew if you learn about Hinduism. We are in this together.
we can join together against muslims without studying each other's religions.
yoga can be fine.. But we can simply join together against the muslim threat, there is enough in common there.
you hindus actually may even have a bigger problem than we do in terms of hindus becoming less religious.. Interfaith dialogue won't help make hindus more religious. We can work together but there is no need to bring cultures together or study each other's religion.
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<snip> I like having the grammar and spelling police on the forum. ;)
I'm a good spelling policeman, but I don't watch grammar..
Maybe JTF should put out an ad for a grammar policeman?
or policewoman, imagine that!
I can imagine it. I just can't apply. :'(
You'd be the only applicant, you'd get the position, and you could make up the rules as you go along. You could write your own rule book and pedantically enforce every rule.
Superlatvie advice. I just might apply. It might be fun busting horns.
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As a Christian I probably would never do yoga. I know there are many different Christian opinions on it, but I'm not sure I would ever be comfortable with it even if I were positive that some forms of it were okay.
It should be noted that several heretical cults of Christianity (such as the Unity School of Christianity, and New Age Christianity, which are both basically a syncretism of Christianity and Hinduism) practice yoga.
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Hindus and Jews are the only hope for this planet. No one else seems to be interested in winning the war Muslims have declared on us.
If Yoga brings our two cultures together and fosters mutual understanding, it is a great thing.
Hinduism has a lot to offer beyond Yoga. It doesn't make you any less a Jew if you learn about Hinduism. We are in this together.
we can join together against muslims without studying each other's religions.
yoga can be fine.. But we can simply join together against the muslim threat, there is enough in common there.
you hindus actually may even have a bigger problem than we do in terms of hindus becoming less religious.. Interfaith dialogue won't help make hindus more religious. We can work together but there is no need to bring cultures together or study each other's religion.
Yes.
Within Hinduism there are many branches and tendencies which are very similar to most other religions.
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Now this ones for my Jewish friends :)
Torah yoga: Exercise with a Jewish twist
http://www.amherstbulletin.com/story/id/123303/
I want the likes of q_q, muman ..to give thoughts on this!
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Jewish yoga- a tribute to Indian tradition
http://indiapost.com/article/communitypost/5105/
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Jewish yoga- a tribute to Indian tradition
http://indiapost.com/article/communitypost/5105/
That's more of a social thing.
worse really.
With Jews outside of israel, generally speaking, if an event is a jewish event, and you don't see -anybody- with black hats and beards, then it's not people serious about judaism.
Even though it says "rabbi". They aren't rabbis. There are orthodox jews who believe in G-d and his revelation to Moses. And other sects who just don't.
There are many jews that feel uncomfortable leaving judaism completely, so they go to one of these fake synagogues with a fake rabbi.. and they feel they have somehow honoured their ancestors..
Notice that they have women rabbis. That is something these sects do, so it's a giveaway.
There is such a thing as jewish meditation.. The practice is largely lost, there may be some seriously religious jews that try to rediscover it.. But this is not an instance of it.
Those "rabbis" that do believe in G-d, don't believe in a personal G-d(a foundation of judaism from throughout the bible). And I guarantee that if you asked them if Judaism is True , they would be hardprssed to give an answer. If you asked them if Islam is False, they would not agree. They are relativists.. and not intellectually honest.
These people are completely ignorant.
Rabbi Kahane once said regarding these so-called rabbis.. That their only blessing is that their congregation is more ignorant than they are.
Look at this, it's hilarious.. We had said earlier that the Om chant was something that should be changed for jewish yoga . e.g. to no chant or something jewish.
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"Classes are conducted by Amy Reed. In most of her classes, students chant "Om" three times in yogic position. A bit earlier, Judi Wisch, a religious educator who was leading the group along with Reed, had opened the session: "Welcome to yoga with a Jewish twist.""
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The jewish twist is that jews are doing it.
For these people, being jewish is eating bagels.
There's a jewish museum in Camden Town, and jews are interviewed what it measn to be jewish.. The museum is totally reform..
These sects are reform/conservative/reconstructionist/liberal.. They have similar names, each one more liberal than the next. All sharing the fact that they don't believe in G-d and the Torah.
These contrast with Orthodox jews.. Orthodox judaism is real judaism.
Now, jews can follow religions other than orthodox judaism, then they are bad jews. It doesn't mean they are not jewish.. But it's nothing..
Rabbi Kahane wrote a book called "Why be jewish". And he talks about the problems this creates.. In an interview with Lenny Brenner, he asked him. "Why be jewish?". Kahane kills people with that argument. . showing them that the only reason is if you believe in judaism. Brenner says he doesn't consider himself jewish.. So that ended that one. Kahane said he's not relevant! Most jews consider themselves jewish even when they don't believe in what makes them jewish. I think Kahane would then use that to push those jews to make the decision, and they'd usually go from their nothing, to judaism..
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VERY interesting video about Yoga, and how SOVIET COMMUNISTS were fascinated with using Yoga to dupe the useful idiots who are quick to jump on such bandwagons into weakness and further brainwashing.
How the KGB Explored Yoga, Meditation & Drugs to Weaken the USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptNTHeQWKGE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptNTHeQWKGE)
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I knew it was spelled valor.
I must admit to being too lazy to check myself last night.
It's true.
I came back here to change it this morning and here you are :nono:!
That's ok...you wouldn't be q_q_ if you weren't.
And q_q_...what if I want to spell it valour?
Will I be written a ticket?
;D
PS - Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
America is a great country, and you've built yourself your own dumbed down spellings, you should be proud and use them!
for example, Aeroplane is a bit difficult for you americans to even say, so you say Airplane
Aluminium is a bit difficult, that ium, just far too hard. So many americans write aluminum (with funny syllabic stress too).
The "our" of colour and valour, vigour e.t.c. become "or" in america. Color, valor, vigor.
cheque(as in bank) becomes check
You can't blame african americans for those!
I just hope you won't be writing "axe" too commonly in the future - as in I is go-in-a/goner axe a question!
The big one is "programme", dumbed down to "program". Creeps in everywhere. The biggest thing since Zero for Nought, and Truck for Lorry.
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It's all for nought! I have no money to put gas in the lorry.
Please hand me that programme. I want to see if they spelled my name correctly.
Doesn't sound so great in my accent and it took too long to write program with those extra letters. 8;)
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It's all for nought! I have no money to put gas in the lorry.
Please hand me that programme. I want to see if they spelled my name correctly.
Doesn't sound so great in my accent and it took too long to write program with those extra letters. 8;)
"petrol" instead of "gas" :)
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It's all for nought! I have no money to put gas in the lorry.
Please hand me that programme. I want to see if they spelled my name correctly.
Doesn't sound so great in my accent and it took too long to write program with those extra letters. 8;)
"petrol" instead of "gas" :)
:::D Thanks xoce. ;D
I'm off to the petrol station to fill up the lorry. :o :D I didn't understand myself for a second there.
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It's all for nought! I have no money to put gas in the lorry.
Please hand me that programme. I want to see if they spelled my name correctly.
Doesn't sound so great in my accent and it took too long to write program with those extra letters. 8;)
"petrol" instead of "gas" :)
:::D Thanks xoce. ;D
I'm off to the petrol station to fill up the lorry. :o :D I didn't understand myself for a second there.
You know, I always find it real ignorant when I start a conversation and the others drift off into a completely different subject. Interesting, though...
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The big one is "programme", dumbed down to "program". Creeps in everywhere. The biggest thing since Zero for Nought, and Truck for Lorry.
Well, for truck, they pay the price.. they now have a name for that terrible creation, the female trucker!
I guess we have a name too. Joe Brand.
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It's all for nought! I have no money to put gas in the lorry.
Please hand me that programme. I want to see if they spelled my name correctly.
Doesn't sound so great in my accent and it took too long to write program with those extra letters. 8;)
"petrol" instead of "gas" :)
:::D Thanks xoce. ;D
I'm off to the petrol station to fill up the lorry. :o :D I didn't understand myself for a second there.
You know, I always find it real ignorant when I start a conversation and the others drift off into a completely different subject. Interesting, though...
You've joined in on the side-topic as well, though! As did I!
I tried to get it back on track, did you read this post of mine?
VERY interesting video about Yoga, and how SOVIET COMMUNISTS were fascinated with using Yoga to dupe the useful idiots who are quick to jump on such bandwagons into weakness and further brainwashing.
How the KGB Explored Yoga, Meditation & Drugs to Weaken the USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptNTHeQWKGE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptNTHeQWKGE)
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You've joined in on the side-topic as well, though! As did I!
I tried to get it back on track, did you read this post of mine?
VERY interesting video about Yoga, and how SOVIET COMMUNISTS were fascinated with using Yoga to dupe the useful idiots who are quick to jump on such bandwagons into weakness and further brainwashing.
How the KGB Explored Yoga, Meditation & Drugs to Weaken the USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptNTHeQWKGE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptNTHeQWKGE)
They may have wanted to exploit Yoga, but not explore it..
Interesting, but it doesn't damn yoga. No doubt yoga has great health benefits. Though not a particularly russian persuit! Russians are all about being tough. Winning. Not overall health.
Don't turn yoga into some evil KGB plot.
I can't remember the names, but somebody interviewed on Tamar Yonah once said that somebody high up told him that the Govt promoted feminism because they were only taxing half the population. Obviously likewise, feminism has its bad aspects.. but when women are really abused, it is helpful.
Clearly too much yoga or too much feminism is bad. As is too much black civil rights. And I did read somewhere that the KGB funded all these things..
And the idea of criticising societies and structures and -opposing- them, but not offering any alternative . (a very liberal thing to do).
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When I was little I watched some shows on Nickelodeon that had British voices in them and my mom told me I started speaking in a British accent. ;D
Well I do like treacle sponge pudding. :eat:
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When I was little I watched some shows on Nickelodeon that had British voices in them and my mom told me I started speaking in a British accent. ;D
Well I do like treacle sponge pudding. :eat:
You are just a gem Rubystars. JTF is lucky to have you as a member. ;D
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When I was little I watched some shows on Nickelodeon that had British voices in them and my mom told me I started speaking in a British accent. ;D
Well I do like treacle sponge pudding. :eat:
Nice. Much better than the common british desert called "Spotted Dick"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotted_Dick
Apparently common in hospitals!
Spotted Dick back on menu
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2249273.stm
I remember it well from primary school (What you call elementary school).
sounds disturbing, doesn't it! poor suffering kids. I always refused it
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Drifting conversation noted. :nono:
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Drifting conversation noted. :nono:
well after 7 pages, if it hasn't drifted, then it'd show we really haven't got anywhere.
I wouldn't call it drifting, i'd say that there are some subthreads here consisting of only one node.
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When I was little I watched some shows on Nickelodeon that had British voices in them and my mom told me I started speaking in a British accent. ;D
Well I do like treacle sponge pudding. :eat:
You are just a gem Rubystars. JTF is lucky to have you as a member. ;D
Thanks bullcat you're a wonderful member as well. :)
QQ that spotted dick stuff actually looks pretty good to try but I think that's a rather scary name for a food.
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When I was little I watched some shows on Nickelodeon that had British voices in them and my mom told me I started speaking in a British accent. ;D
Well I do like treacle sponge pudding. :eat:
Nice. Much better than the common british desert called "Spotted Dick"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotted_Dick
Apparently common in hospitals!
Spotted Dick back on menu
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2249273.stm
I remember it well from primary school (What you call elementary school).
sounds disturbing, doesn't it! poor suffering kids. I always refused it
Our 6-year old gets Spotted Dick in school, served by a Miss Badcock.
He also gets Yoga once a week, and it spoils his day.
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I bet poor Miss Badcock really wants to get married! At least her name's not Amy Shannon Smith. Why does Yoga ruin the day? I would think for most kids it would be relaxing.
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I bet poor Miss Badcock really wants to get married! At least her name's not Amy Shannon Smith. Why does Yoga ruin the day? I would think for most kids it would be relaxing.
Well, it's not really a relaxing thing if done in a school for kids or teenagers, it'd be more of a discipline thing.
I remember when my school forced us to stay in an extra hour and a half for extra-curricular activities.. school finished at 6pm or something. It didn't last long, too many complaints.
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I bet poor Miss Badcock really wants to get married! At least her name's not Amy Shannon Smith. Why does Yoga ruin the day? I would think for most kids it would be relaxing.
QQ's right. All kids want is to bust the place up. All teachers want is some peace and quiet.
I understand that Miss Badcock is married, but still refers to herself as "Miss" in the tradition of conservative school teachers. Whether it is Bad or Good is a matter of speculation, she seems quite happy to me.