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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: christians4jews on December 02, 2007, 12:47:57 PM
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I am a baptist christan from the uk. Chaim says that all decent people are gentiles. Now i know there are decent catholics who are pro israel. But its the catholic organization which is extremely anti semitic hence why you get morons like mel gibson, and my cousin who is pro palestine nazis as far as i am concerned.
To me catholocism is slightly less worse than islam, it was the catholics which started the mosque of islam, it was the pope that is a nazi member currently, it was the pope before him that actually kissed the quran the scum bag. As chaim exposed it was the catholics who hated the jews, but passed a bill so that they were not completely wiped out due to ancestrial evidence of the bible.
Im sure chaim fan has the same opinion of me, but i cant believe we welcome catholics,imo thats like welcoming a nazi member whos pro israel...
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If someone follows catholic doctrine to the absolute letter they would be anti-semites but so few catholics do. Like muSSlims they can be righteous if they drop certain core beliefs and in effect become muSSlims and catholics in name only.
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I am a baptist christan from the uk. Chaim says that all decent people are gentiles. Now i know there are decent catholics who are pro israel. But its the catholic organization which is extremely anti semitic hence why you get morons like mel gibson, and my cousin who is pro Eretz Yisrael nazis as far as i am concerned.
To me catholocism is slightly less worse than islam, it was the catholics which started the mosque of islam, it was the pope that is a nazi member currently, it was the pope before him that actually kissed the quran the scum bag. As chaim exposed it was the catholics who hated the jews, but passed a bill so that they were not completely wiped out due to ancestrial evidence of the bible.
Im sure chaim fan has the same opinion of me, but i cant believe we welcome catholics,imo thats like welcoming a nazi member whos pro israel...
This isn't the Spanish Inquisition C4J..
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If someone follows catholic doctrine to the absolute letter they would be anti-semites but so few catholics do. Like muSSlims they can be righteous if they drop certain core beliefs and in effect become muSSlims and catholics in name only.
Imsorry thats rubbish.
Yes if i was a kkk member but ddi not follow all the core policies apart from follwing the bible i would nto be antisemitic, but im still a kkk member :rolleyes:
As for rightous muslims, wtf is hsppening to this site, its becoming really left wing bar chaim ben.
There are no rightous muslims, not one, if you are a muslim and no how antisemitiac mohammed was which they all do they you are worshipping satan.
Also the catholics know full well that they have a nazi pope leader, they know full well that their pope john paul kissed the toilet paper quran, they know full well all this but are still catholics, im sorry but i feel this site is losing its guard.
Catholics like the muslism are potentianlly the enemy to the rightous christians and jews.
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Christians4jews, you need to be careful.
Chaim has said on past shows that he disagrees with certain positions of the Vatican and past popes. However, we have wonderful Catholic members here, and they would certainly not appreciate their religion being villified.
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Christians4jews, you need to be careful.
Chaim has said on past shows that he disagrees with certain positions of the Vatican and past popes. However, we have wonderful Catholic members here, and they would certainly not appreciate their religion being villified.
Exactly
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Christians4jews, you need to be careful.
Chaim has said on past shows that he disagrees with certain positions of the Vatican and past popes. However, we have wonderful Catholic members here, and they would certainly not appreciate their religion being villified.
Current pope more like, we all know the current pope was linked to the nazis, how can the "wonderful" catholic members defend that please, since they believe the pope has a twoway convo with god.
As i dont want to get banned, i will make this my last contribution on this thread...
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If someone follows catholic doctrine to the absolute letter they would be anti-semites but so few catholics do. Like muSSlims they can be righteous if they drop certain core beliefs and in effect become muSSlims and catholics in name only.
Imsorry thats rubbish.
Yes if i was a kkk member but ddi not follow all the core policies apart from follwing the bible i would nto be antisemitic, but im still a kkk member :rolleyes:
As for rightous muslims, wtf is hsppening to this site, its becoming really left wing bar chaim ben.
There are no rightous muslims, not one, if you are a muslim and no how antisemitiac mohammed was which they all do they you are worshipping satan.
Also the catholics know full well that they have a nazi pope leader, they know full well that their pope john paul kissed the toilet paper quran, they know full well all this but are still catholics, im sorry but i feel this site is losing its guard.
Catholics like the muslism are potentianlly the enemy to the rightous christians and jews.
You didn't read my post properly.
I said IF they drop certain core beliefs they would become catholics/muSSlims in name only.......meaning NOT catholic/muSSlim. Look at the number of catholics who use contraception, don't believe in papal infallibility, replacement theology or the 'one true church' doctrine but still call themselves catholic. By their lack of those core beliefs they have ceased to be real catholics.
Yes, you're right, there are NO righteous muSSlims. There are however some people of iSSlamic background who don't believe in jihad, sharia law. They don't hate Jews and believe Israel should exist. They also drink beer and the women stay uncovered. These people may call themselves muSSlims because they have no other lable but they have essentially ceased to be muSSlims.
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I would like to share a story I heard from a rabbi a while back.
There was a Jewish family who lived in Poland during WWII, and they had a young son. They knew the Nazis were coming for them, so they asked their Catholic neighbors to care for the boy until they were able to return. And if they didn't return, the parents asked their neighbors to send the boy to their relatives in Canada.
Anyway, the parents were killed by the Nazis, and the Polish couple grew to love the little boy and wanted to adopt him. So one day they took him to their local priest to baptize the the boy. But the young priest had some questions for this couple. He wanted to know who the boy was and where his remaining family was. So the husband and wife fessed up. They told the priest about how they'd come to love the little Jewish boy and wanted him baptized, so he wouldn't go to hell. But the young priest still refused. He told the husband and wife flat out that they needed to return the boy to his relatives in Canada.
The boy is now an Orthodox Jew living in Canada with a family of his own. And the young priest of the story was Pope John Paul (the one before the current Pope Benedict).
Now the rabbi who told this story was part of a group of rabbis that met with Pope John Paul. He told us how the Pope was proud of what he'd done, and how he believed that it was one of the reasons (of many) that he became the Pope.
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Pope John Paul supported the Croatian and Muslim separatist during the collapse of Yugoslavia.
Pope John Paul and the whole Vatican institute have never recognized the Croatian genocide against the Serbs in which the Croatian catholic church, with blessings from the Vatican, participated.
About catholic members of JTF.
If they support the agenda of JTF and judge and recognize the true history and face of the Vatican international, than its alright.
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Pope John Paul supported the Croatian and Muslim separatist during the collapse of Yugoslavia.
Pope John Paul and the whole Vatican institute have never recognized the Croatian genocide against the Serbs in which the Croatian catholic church, with blessings from the Vatican, participated.
About catholic members of JTF.
If they support the agenda of JTF and judge and recognize the true history and face of the Vatican international, than its alright.
Alright with who?
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Times article is astounding!!! We are truly seeing the convergence of Eisav and Yishmael against the Jews….
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1687445,00.html
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Alright with who?
With Catholics who openly and honestly judge the crimes of their religion institution - the Vatican.
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I've always wondered are jehova's witnesses rightous gentiles they seem like nice people, monotheistic.
They're just a bit too strict with holidays.
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I've always wondered are G-d's witnesses rightous gentiles they seem like nice people, monotheistic.
They're just a bit too strict with holidays.
They're replacement theology crackpots.
The J_hova's witnesses are a cult.
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I've always wondered are G-d's witnesses rightous gentiles they seem like nice people, monotheistic.
They're just a bit too strict with holidays.
They're replacement theology crackpots.
The J_hova's witnesses are a cult.
You mean the J_hova witness protection program? ;D
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The J_hova's witnesses are a cult.
He is right it is a sect...
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I don't like their constant conversion pushing. If someone wants to become JW, im sure they will without their bother.
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If someone follows catholic doctrine to the absolute letter they would be anti-semites but so few catholics do. Like muSSlims they can be righteous if they drop certain core beliefs and in effect become muSSlims and catholics in name only.
Imsorry thats rubbish.
Yes if i was a kkk member but ddi not follow all the core policies apart from follwing the bible i would nto be antisemitic, but im still a kkk member :rolleyes:
As for rightous muslims, wtf is hsppening to this site, its becoming really left wing bar chaim ben.
There are no rightous muslims, not one, if you are a muslim and no how antisemitiac mohammed was which they all do they you are worshipping satan.
Also the catholics know full well that they have a nazi pope leader, they know full well that their pope john paul kissed the toilet paper quran, they know full well all this but are still catholics, im sorry but i feel this site is losing its guard.
Catholics like the muslism are potentianlly the enemy to the rightous christians and jews.
You didn't read my post properly.
I said IF they drop certain core beliefs they would become catholics/muSSlims in name only.......meaning NOT catholic/muSSlim. Look at the number of catholics who use contraception, don't believe in papal infallibility, replacement theology or the 'one true church' doctrine but still call themselves catholic. By their lack of those core beliefs they have ceased to be real catholics.
Yes, you're right, there are NO righteous muSSlims. There are however some people of iSSlamic background who don't believe in jihad, sharia law. They don't hate Jews and believe Israel should exist. They also drink beer and the women stay uncovered. These people may call themselves muSSlims because they have no other lable but they have essentially ceased to be muSSlims.
Absolutely true!
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1- The Catholic Church has formally abandoned anti-Semitism in 1965. Some leaders may still be unfair to Jews. But a person can be a memeber of the Catholic Church and fully observant, and be a good person. However they can't be considered Hallachically righteous unless they add some rules to their lives that Catholicism lacks. A Catholic is not forbidden by the Church to eat a limb from a live animal, or blood taken from and animal before it died. So, if a Catholic keeps these laws by himself he can become righteous, if not, only a good person who is Hallachically wrong.
2- Muslims do not have a proper institution. Any person who respects Israel and fully rejects violence can be righteous even if the Koran has violent verses. If someone interprets the violent verses in another way sincerely, or simply rejects those verses he is ok. No matter if the Koran is violent or not. Abstaining from alcohol and women being covered is ok. The NT was perhaps written with anti-Semitic intentions also, but a Christian who loves the Jews and doesn't try to convert them is a good person (And Hallachically Righteous if he does the 7 mitzvot)
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Yeshua and the apostles warned of phony Christians who would infiltrate the Church. The division is not along denominational lines as there were no denominations back then. I leave it up to G-d to separate the phonies from the genuine. There are teaching in the RCC that I completely disagree with but that is the case in many denominations and as there are around 1 billion Catholics I'm inclined to believe that there are genuine believers among their ranks and hypocrites just like every other denomination. As for righteous gentiles, I'm not sure what Judaism or certain branches of Christianity teach, but the righteousness I have is a gift from G-d and not any innate righteousness. I'm am a sinner worthy of G-d's judgment, but forgiven by grace.
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some catholics are righteous gentiles..some are evil...but it's not becuase of catholicism necessarily...
Some Jews are righteous..some are evil...and it's not because of Judaism
shall I continue?
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As for righteous gentiles, I'm not sure what Judaism or certain branches of Christianity teach, but the righteousness I have is a gift from G-d and not any innate righteousness. I'm am a sinner worthy of G-d's judgment, but forgiven by grace.
That grace thing must be handy. You could rape every cheerleader you fancied and you're automatically forgiven. Sure beats the heck out of obeying G_d's laws.
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As for righteous gentiles, I'm not sure what Judaism or certain branches of Christianity teach, but the righteousness I have is a gift from G-d and not any innate righteousness. I'm am a sinner worthy of G-d's judgment, but forgiven by grace.
That grace thing must be handy. You could rape every cheerleader you fancied and you're automatically forgiven. Sure beats the heck out of obeying G_d's laws.
Only someone who misunderstands grace would say that. If you are truly transformed by the power of G-d you will want to obey G-d's law. That's a very slanderous thing to say. G-d is no fool, just because someone says they had a religious experience with Yeshua doesn't make it so. If they continue in sin they are phonies and I wouldn't give half a hallelujah for their so-called salvation.
31"Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
32not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
33"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34"They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will (CG)forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
35Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for light by day
And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar;
The LORD of hosts is His name:
36"If this fixed order departs
From before Me," declares the LORD,
"Then the offspring of Israel also will cease
From being a nation before Me forever."
37Thus says the LORD,
"If the heavens above can be measured
And the foundations of the earth searched out below,
Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel
For all that they have done," declares the LORD.
The new covenant will write the law on the heart and is declared to be a better covenant that the one written on tablets of stone.
Genesis 15:6-
6(I)Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.
7And He said to him, "I am the LORD who brought you out of (J)Ur of the Chaldeans, to (K)give you this land to possess it."
8He said, "O Lord GOD, (L)how may I know that I will possess it?"
9So He said to him, "Bring Me a three year old heifer, and a three year old female goat, and a three year old ram, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon."
10Then he brought all these to Him and (M)cut them in two, and laid each half opposite the other; but he (N)did not cut the birds.
11The birds of prey came down upon the carcasses, and Abram drove them away.
12Now when the sun was going down, (O)a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror and great darkness fell upon him.
13God said to Abram, "Know for certain that (P)your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where (Q)they will be enslaved and oppressed (R)four hundred years.
14"But I will also judge the nation whom they will serve, and afterward they will come out (S)with many possessions.
15"As for you, (T)you shall go to your fathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age.
16"Then in (U)the fourth generation they will return here, for (V)the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete."
17It came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which (W)passed between these pieces.
18On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying,
"(X)To your descendants I have given this land,
From (Y)the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates:
It was Abraham's belief that made him righteous. Normally both parties would walk between the animal remains to affirm a covenant, but in the case it was God alone while Abraham was in a deep sleep. God did the work.
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some catholics are righteous gentiles..some are evil...but it's not becuase of catholicism necessarily...
Some Jews are righteous..some are evil...and it's not because of Judaism
shall I continue?
You make a very good point.
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As for righteous gentiles, I'm not sure what Judaism or certain branches of Christianity teach, but the righteousness I have is a gift from G-d and not any innate righteousness. I'm am a sinner worthy of G-d's judgment, but forgiven by grace.
That grace thing must be handy. You could rape every cheerleader you fancied and you're automatically forgiven. Sure beats the heck out of obeying G_d's laws.
Only someone who misunderstands grace would say that. If you are truly transformed by the power of G-d you will want to obey G-d's law. That's a very slanderous thing to say. G-d is no fool, just because someone says they had a religious experience with Yeshua doesn't make it so. If they continue in sin they are phonies and I wouldn't give half a hallelujah for their so-called salvation.
So belief makes one lead a sinless life and the guarantee of forgiveness through belief in yeshu is a crock?
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some catholics are righteous gentiles..some are evil...but it's not becuase of catholicism necessarily...
Some Jews are righteous..some are evil...and it's not because of Judaism
shall I continue?
You make a very good point.
Some who doesn't know JTF might counter argue..."what about Islam?"
They might say, "Some muslims are righteous while others are evil...so therefore it's not the Koran.."
But when we read the Koran, we know it is delibrately evil...The Christian bible isn't...I have heard there are some chapters that are very anti-Jewish...However, and correct me if i'm wrong, a lot of religious Christians have refuted some of those things as evil against the Jews and very unChristian..am I right? Muslims have not done that excpet maybe Salman Rushdie.
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the catholics of the middle ages were as fanatic as the muslims today. i personally dont really like the religion because they have to listen to everything the pope tells them and if they dont they are heritics
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Hmmm,
I am not familiar with the way Catholicism developed through the history, but wasn't there at some point strong Antisemitism present?
As for Islam, Muhammad made ideology which would help him conquer the world. Islam is not even a religion. Its a political, social and military system. Like Fascism. He savagely expelled/killed/forcefully converted the Jews that lived in Arabian peninsula...2000 odd years before he came along.
I feel muslims are brainwashed with hate for Jews and Christians. And I feel more so for Jews than Christians.
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May I remind you all that we are here to work together despite our differences. Everyone believes his/her religion to be the correct path. And I don't want to continue with this Catholic bashing. That is not the purpose of this forum.
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some catholics are righteous gentiles..some are evil...but it's not becuase of catholicism necessarily...
Some Jews are righteous..some are evil...and it's not because of Judaism
shall I continue?
That's true, but you can't say that about iSSlam, ;) unless you deny Allah, the KKKoran, and iSSlam
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May I remind you all that we are here to work together despite our differences. Everyone believes his/her religion to be the correct path. And I don't want to continue with this Catholic bashing. That is not the purpose of this forum.
Highlighting the evil of the Vatican is NOT catholic bashing any more than criticising the Bush administration is bashing Americans. If we can attack politicians and journalists who are anti-semitic we should be able to do the same with church leaders. Truly righteous catholics should join in the criticism or they're not righteous.
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As for righteous gentiles, I'm not sure what Judaism or certain branches of Christianity teach, but the righteousness I have is a gift from G-d and not any innate righteousness. I'm am a sinner worthy of G-d's judgment, but forgiven by grace.
That grace thing must be handy. You could rape every cheerleader you fancied and you're automatically forgiven. Sure beats the heck out of obeying G_d's laws.
Only someone who misunderstands grace would say that. If you are truly transformed by the power of G-d you will want to obey G-d's law. That's a very slanderous thing to say. G-d is no fool, just because someone says they had a religious experience with Yeshua doesn't make it so. If they continue in sin they are phonies and I wouldn't give half a hallelujah for their so-called salvation.
So belief makes one lead a sinless life and the guarantee of forgiveness through belief in yeshu is a crock?
Did I say a sinless life, that's impossible, if it were I could just follow the law and justify myself. David slept with Bathsheba and had her husband Uriah the Hittite murdered and yet the Bible says David was a man after God's own heart. David repented and received grace. If he hadn't received the grace of God he would have been killed by God on the spot and sent straight to hell. Every breath you draw after you have sinned is the grace of God. Sin would equal immediate execution by God if not for grace.
The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
Sin equals death. Doing good deeds doesn't make you any less dead physically or spiritually.
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As for righteous gentiles, I'm not sure what Judaism or certain branches of Christianity teach, but the righteousness I have is a gift from G-d and not any innate righteousness. I'm am a sinner worthy of G-d's judgment, but forgiven by grace.
That grace thing must be handy. You could rape every cheerleader you fancied and you're automatically forgiven. Sure beats the heck out of obeying G_d's laws.
Only someone who misunderstands grace would say that. If you are truly transformed by the power of G-d you will want to obey G-d's law. That's a very slanderous thing to say. G-d is no fool, just because someone says they had a religious experience with Yeshua doesn't make it so. If they continue in sin they are phonies and I wouldn't give half a hallelujah for their so-called salvation.
So belief makes one lead a sinless life and the guarantee of forgiveness through belief in yeshu is a crock?
Did I say a sinless life, that's impossible, if it were I could just follow the law and justify myself. David slept with Bathsheba and had her husband Uriah the Hittite murdered and yet the Bible says David was a man after G-d's own heart. David repented and received grace. If he hadn't received the grace of G-d he would have been killed by G-d on the spot and sent straight to hell. Every breath you draw after you have sinned is the grace of G-d. Sin would equal immediate execution by G-d if not for grace.
The LORD G-d took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD G-d commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
Sin equals death. Doing good deeds doesn't make you any less dead physically or spiritually.
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So you admit nobody needs yeshu to get grace.
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Newman, as long as we stick to the facts, and say that we disagree with certain position of the Vatican or past popes, that's one thing. But as non-Cathloics, it's not our place to tell Catholics what teachings they should or should not reject to be righteous.
As another example, I think Jews would get offended if non-Jews told us which parts of our oral law we should keep or ditch. It works both ways. That's why I don't like where this thread is heading.
Right now, the biggest enemy in the West are the moosie terrorists. So let's keep our focus where it belongs.
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Newman, as long as we stick to the facts, and say that we disagree with certain position of the Vatican or past popes, that's one thing. But as non-Cathloics, it's not our place to tell Catholics what teachings they should or should not reject to be righteous.
As another example, I think Jews would get offended if non-Jews told us which parts of our oral law we should keep or ditch. It works both ways. That's why I don't like where this thread is heading.
Right now, the biggest enemy in the West are the moosie terrorists. So let's keep our focus where it belongs.
It does not work both ways. Religions are not equal. If the vatican maintains that it's followers are to believe their church has displaced Jews as the chosen people it is our duty to say it's wrong.
Other beliefs are subordinate to Judaism here.
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1- The Catholic Church has formally abandoned anti-Semitism in 1965. Some leaders may still be unfair to Jews. But a person can be a memeber of the Catholic Church and fully observant, and be a good person. However they can't be considered Hallachically righteous unless they add some rules to their lives that Catholicism lacks. A Catholic is not forbidden by the Church to eat a limb from a live animal, or blood taken from and animal before it died. So, if a Catholic keeps these laws by himself he can become righteous, if not, only a good person who is Hallachically wrong.
2- Muslims do not have a proper institution. Any person who respects Israel and fully rejects violence can be righteous even if the Koran has violent verses. If someone interprets the violent verses in another way sincerely, or simply rejects those verses he is ok. No matter if the Koran is violent or not. Abstaining from alcohol and women being covered is ok. The NT was perhaps written with anti-Semitic intentions also, but a Christian who loves the Jews and doesn't try to convert them is a good person (And Hallachically Righteous if he does the 7 mitzvot)
Mohammed based his claim on an accusation that Jews had corrupted the Torah and that's why he was chosen by G-d to deliver a new Torah (Qur'an).
This is the first and major problem with Qur'an, Islam, and Muslims.
And thus to start on the path of becoming righteous Gentile, people who were born into a muslim family have to reject Mohammed as a prophet and accept him as a liar.
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the catholics of the middle ages were as fanatic as the muslims today. i personally dont really like the religion because they have to listen to everything the pope tells them and if they dont they are heritics
The middle ages was a long time ago. Even then I don't think Catholics were as fanatic as muslims today. Most Catholic churches today are very supportive of the Jewish religion. Some of the post here today seem like some good old Catholic bashing.
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Newman, as long as we stick to the facts, and say that we disagree with certain position of the Vatican or past popes, that's one thing. But as non-Cathloics, it's not our place to tell Catholics what teachings they should or should not reject to be righteous.
As another example, I think Jews would get offended if non-Jews told us which parts of our oral law we should keep or ditch. It works both ways. That's why I don't like where this thread is heading.
Right now, the biggest enemy in the West are the moosie terrorists. So let's keep our focus where it belongs.
Not all parts of Oral Law are divine revealation. Jews can accept comments from non-Jews who are Noachides, or those who believe in Torah as the first and last Covenant.
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Another point I would like to emphasize is that Judaism focuses more on good deeds rather than faith. And our Catholic members have been very helpful to us. So I see no reason to start up a witch hunt.
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Newman, as long as we stick to the facts, and say that we disagree with certain position of the Vatican or past popes, that's one thing. But as non-Cathloics, it's not our place to tell Catholics what teachings they should or should not reject to be righteous.
As another example, I think Jews would get offended if non-Jews told us which parts of our oral law we should keep or ditch. It works both ways. That's why I don't like where this thread is heading.
Right now, the biggest enemy in the West are the moosie terrorists. So let's keep our focus where it belongs.
Not all parts of Oral Law are divine revealation. Jews can accept comments from non-Jews who are Noachides, or those who believe in Torah as the first and last Covenant.
Also, Jews are supposed to be a light unto the nations, and thus it is our obligations to teach. Plus, having so many facts on our hands, it is quite simple.
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Also, Jews are supposed to be a light unto the nations, and thus it is our obligations to teach. Plus, having so many facts on our hands, it is quite simple.
Fine, but we should do with kindness. Not by attacking. And we should set an example by how we live our lives and how we treat others.
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I am a baptist christan from the uk. Chaim says that all decent people are gentiles. Now i know there are decent catholics who are pro israel. But its the catholic organization which is extremely anti semitic hence why you get morons like mel gibson, and my cousin who is pro Eretz Yisrael nazis as far as i am concerned.
To me catholocism is slightly less worse than islam, it was the catholics which started the mosque of islam, it was the pope that is a nazi member currently, it was the pope before him that actually kissed the quran the scum bag. As chaim exposed it was the catholics who hated the jews, but passed a bill so that they were not completely wiped out due to ancestrial evidence of the bible.
Im sure chaim fan has the same opinion of me, but i cant believe we welcome catholics,imo thats like welcoming a nazi member whos pro israel...
Catholics, unlike Muslims, have a very favorable capability to be flexible about their faith. Their religion is in fact called Catholic Christianity.
That is, you can always cast away Catholic part of it and you will still be Christian with their belief in love and mercy.
With Muslims, there is a different situation. The division into Sunnis and Shiites make one no less of Muslim with their belief in war and hatred.
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Newman, stop the Christian bashing.
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Newman, stop the Christian bashing.
Eat shiite and bark at the moon!
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Newman, stop the Christian bashing.
Eat shiite and bark at the moon!
Er, no thank you, I am no dog.
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OK since this discussion has degenerated to name calling, I am locking this thread for the time being.