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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: mord on December 27, 2007, 08:46:21 AM
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That's all :o ???
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Told you all that she won't survive a year in this pisslamic paradise, Do you know who got her Islamists, Army or both (Fakistni Inteligence Service)? ::)
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Suicide bomber who also shot her
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because Jorge and Kondi hounded up on Musharraf to lift the state of emergency
in order to install more deeeemokrasseeeeee
these 2 make me puke >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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True
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Good, Thank Gd!!! I hope now they all kill each other so that there is no one left!
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No Surprise here... How can an Islamic country allow a 'Woman' to rule over them?!
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Wow, I can't believe they finally got her! :o
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Thank G-d! The terrorist who murdered her was very effective, he first shot her twice, then blew himself up to ensure that he would finish to job. I almost never applaud the work of terrorists, but in his case I have to say good job. O0
This woman was evil and was the strongest opposition leader of Musharraf. If she became successful, Pakistan would become a "democracy" and would be disastrous. Making Pakistan a "democracy" would lead to a radical Islamic dictatorship in control of nuclear weapons.
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Thank G-d! The terrorist who murdered her was very effective, he first shot her twice, then blew himself up to ensure that he would finish to job. I almost never applaud the work of terrorists, but in his case I have to say good job. O0
This woman was evil and was the strongest opposition leader of Musharraf. If she became successful, Pakistan would become a "democracy" and would be disastrous. Making Pakistan a "democracy" would lead to a radical Islamic dictatorship in control of nuclear weapons.
Ditto, we don't need another HAMAS ruling in nuclear armed country, Musharaf is s..of the b.... but it's our s...of the b... Plus its validates our argument that muslims whatever their race or nationality are beasts.
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This woman was evil and was the strongest opposition leader of Musharraf. If she became successful, Pakistan would become a "democracy" and would be disastrous. Making Pakistan a "democracy" would lead to a radical Islamic dictatorship in control of nuclear weapons.
100% O0
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Thank g-d she is dead. We at JTF prefer Hamas over Fatah. This woman was the equivalent of Fatah. She tried to talk peace but was planning to kill all the infidels. The fact that she got affirmative action training at Harvard didn't help.
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So that's how they campaign.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_on_re_as/pakistan
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I don't agree with the statements above. This is NOT a good thing. Musharrif is a horrible "allie" but he is the best we got at the moment. Yes democracy in Pakistan was a threat but it was a longterm threat and just look at what is happening now: Bhutto's supporters are all blaming Musharrif for her death and are rioting in the streets, are calling for his death and are destabilizing his regime and the whole country. The only ones that will benefit from this assasination are Sharif (who developed the nukes to begin with and was crazy enough to go to war with India even AFTER both nations had them) and even more hardline Islamists in the country...ones if they got control of Pakistans nukes WOULD USE THEM! This is not like Gaza, Hamas does not have nukes and their stupidity was only benefitial because of the current pressures facing Israel to commit national suicide/talk peace with their enemies.
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it´s clearly G.W. and Condi´s fault for blackmailing Musharraf to lift the state of emergency.
The state of emergency was instated to stop the islamistic terror campaigns and the upcoming civil war. How stupid can these 2 become ??
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The Islamic world is very much in need of reform, and a established democracy led by a western educated Muslim woman might present the potential for change. Musharraf is only a willing puppet. So I guess it depends on which objective takes a higher priority.
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Hold on Tight. This may trigger the Islamic Coupe that we knew was inevitable.
Once the Islamists are in control, ALL bets are off. Those nukes they have will go 'missing' in the following weeks, and then it is only a matter of time before the Islamist dream of a hollocaust in Israel and America will be created.
Brian
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Musharraf has already demonstrated himself as a strong armed dictator, as evident in his actions a little over a month ago when he suspended the government and arrested all of the judges. He and anyone who comes in after him is going to be on the dole for years and years to come, while still allowing Islamic extremism to go unchecked and Bin Laden to keep receiving his dialysis treatments.
I just believe that a Bhutto-led government there would garner more interest and support among other Western governments that support Israel and the US. We could have made better use of the conflict to negotiate conditions that would favor security and antiterrorism of our interests with her alive.
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MUSLIMS KILLING MUSLIMS! I got a late Christmas gift.. LETS JUST ALL SIT BACK AND ENJOY THE SHOW make popcorn, have a soda, the muzzies are killing each other woo hoo
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The Islamic world is very much in need of reform, and a established democracy led by a western educated Muslim woman might present the potential for change. Musharraf is only a willing puppet. So I guess it depends on which objective takes a higher priority.
wrong approach, elections & democracy bring Khomeini, Hamas & Salafist Group for Call (or Preaching) and Combat (GSPC) to power
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MUSLIMS KILLING MUSLIMS! I got a late Christmas gift.. LETS JUST ALL SIT BACK AND ENJOY THE SHOW make popcorn, have a soda, the muzzies are killing each other woo hoo
This has been going on forever, muzzies are well known for killing other muSSlim nazis :D
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MUSLIMS KILLING MUSLIMS! I got a late Christmas gift.. LETS JUST ALL SIT BACK AND ENJOY THE SHOW make popcorn, have a soda, the muzzies are killing each other woo hoo
I would have written the same, if MasterWolf1 had not.
O0 O0 O0
I'd rather have some
pancakes...with milk...thank you.
O0 O0 O0
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This is what the Muslims do with their own kind. So don't expect them to live together with non-Muslims. I'm also quite happy when I see Muslims killing each other. Hopefully they wipe each other out and India uses this opportunity and nukes Pakistan speedily in our days.
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It is long over due all civilized nations cut its ties any ties with these Muslim pig dump countries, let them eat goat droppings. And end foreign aid.
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No Surprise here... How can an Islamic country allow a 'Woman' to rule over them?!
She said she was safe because Islam "prohibits violence against women".
:::D wonder what she thinks about that now
Hmmm so does she GET virgins...or does she have to be one of the 72 :P
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72 Camels in a turbin
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I hope this destroys Hillary's chances. It was because of her husband that we are in this mess with Pakistan he allowed them to get nukes.
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I am really happy now there will be more chaos in pakistan and it will affect their economy.Now india.usa and israel will have excuse to take out pakistani nukes O0 O0
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I am really happy now there will be more chaos in pakistan and it will affect their economy.Now india.usa and israel will have excuse to take out pakistani nukes O0 O0
Precisely...by the pakis killing each other, it may end up causing alqueda taking over somehow..but that will aslo make them much more visible. Time to level another islamic evil country.
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YES ASHISH !!!
Long Live to India !!!
Hindustan zindabad !!!
O0 O0 O0
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And we hear from the P.C. people that "Islam is hijacked by radicals" Who are they kidding all of Islam is radical and the only hijacking they do is to non Muslims.
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Well Ron Paul blames .......the policies of the US, and also says al quida has a right to be "annoyed" with us :D
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/12/27/ron.paul.bhutto.reax.cnn
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All I can say on this topic is ABOUT BLOODY TIME!
You can't get good terrorist now a days, they keep blowing themselves up :-\
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http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/12/benazir-bhuttos-death-will-stabilize.html#readfurther
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 28, 2007
Benazir Bhutto’s Death Will Stabilize Pakistan
by Baron Bodissey
On yesterday’s thread, Afonso Henriques, a commenter from Portugal, had some interesting things to say about the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.
He requested a new thread in which we could further discuss the situation in Pakistan, so I am supplying it here by reproducing his comment in full. I have corrected the spelling, and regularized punctuation and idioms to reflect current American usage.
Here is what Afonso Henriques had to say:
I am no expert, but I will give you my contribution so that I may help you to form an independent opinion. I hope to elucidate you too, Baron, with my humble contribution.
First we have to look to what Pakistan is. Pakistan is not a nation per se as the nation-states in Europe, nor a relatively successful bastard (USA, Argentina) or legitimate (Canada, Brazil) son of such nations.
Pakistan is a country born from a desire of some Muslim Indians to have their own Muslim land in order not to be ruled by the Hindu majority (which means in order for the Muslim elite to rule).
We also have to (sorry, I am a European, a Portuguese to be more accurate and as so I am sorry to offend your naïve ideals or your profound beliefs as Americans) look at the ethnic makeup of the country and realize that in that country, the loyalties are firstly within one’s tribe, and secondly within one’s ethnic group. The only “common ground” for that country is Islam but Islam can only unite people against a non-Islamic thing/person/nation/state, and not within an Islamic entity, because once the consensus of Islam is reached, other conflicts will arise, and those conflicts can not always be solved simply by addressing to Islam.
As I was saying, the ethnic composition of Pakistan is the following:
We have Indo-Aryans (Indian stock) in the West and in the East we have Aryan-Iranians. The latter are very tribalistic, and are the ones who are helping the Taliban in Afghanistan, mainly because they are the same ethnic group (the would-be nation). The power of the state is all in the hands of the Indo-Aryans.
So we reach an important consensus. Nothing is mingling the Pakistani people together except for Islam. That is why the country focuses so much on it. And these enormous ethnic groups I mentioned are like races, which can be divided into countless ethnic groups, which are divided into countless tribes, just to give an idea of how fragmented Pakistan is and of how Islam is so important there to blend the community.
Now I will strike with these: Benazir Bhutto would never made it to power and her death, despite being a drama, is a blessing to stabilize Pakistan.
Now you find yourself asking: Why?
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Well, because Pakistan is (as is every Muslim country, especially the poorer and miserable ones like Pakistan) engaging in a fight between two versions of Islam. The same evil Islam. The Islam which was weakened by colonialism (Musharraf) and the Islam of the Taliban against the Superpower Soviet Union, of the (what the hell, I am going to say it) Turks against Europe (especially Serbia) in Bosnia and Kosovo, of Al-Qaeda against the Hyperpower, the United States of America of 9/11, the Islam of Hizbullah not losing a war against the almighty state of Israel.
Summarizing, the Islam which made Paris a Third World place in 2005, and simultaneously made the United Arab Emirates a thriving land after centuries of desert. A new and much too powerful Islam which has come to the World to conquer it. An Islam which it seems cannot be stopped. This is a new generation of Islam.
Returning to Pakistan, that country will inevitably fall to the second type of Islam, but the longer Musharraf has power the better for us, because the second type of Islam will not mind exporting the bomb, not only to Saudi Arabia but to every Muslim state, be it Indonesia or the gangster state of Kosovo or Greater Albania in the heart of Europe. It is an Islam that would help with all the resources (including terrorism en masse) the Chechens.
So, and… who was Bhutto and who backed her?
Well, she a was a woman of an high caste, and she was backed up by a westernized elite which did not represent the Pakistani people at all. Or do you think that Muslims wanted a woman to rule their heads? A pro-Western, maybe feminist woman? Come on!
If we complain about the EUSSR, what kind of people are we when we try to impose on another people a leader which is not the one they want? It’s like Bush trading democracy for oil! They want Islam, let them live with it, but in their own lands!
Benazir Bhutto’s campaign would only favor the second type of Islam (which some call, I guess, fundamentalist) in a country where young women are already gang-raped for showing their legs in public. It would do no good.
So now Musharraf can breath a bit safer, knowing all too well both that the Western countries have not seen enough of Benazir to support her and to intervene for her and that the Islamists of the aforementioned second type (do you remember the Red Mosque in Islamabad?) will kill everybody who may be a candidate to the throne of Musharraf once they seem not to be capable of eliminating Musharraf himself. Which I am not so sure of in the long term (two, three years).
And that is it. We are safe with Musharraf; whoever succeeds him will either be a second type Islamist or will lead the country to a civil war which will open the path for that kind of Islamist to gain (even) more power, which means nothing less than a nuclear arsenal.
It’s a reminder that looking down the road, a conflict with India seems too plausible at any moment, and in that case, we have to somehow assure the victory of India and not permit a mobilization of the Muslim countries like we saw in the nineties against Serbia. Which would be difficult because such conflict could easily escalate to a conflict against Israel in the West.
(http://chromatism.net/current/images/pakistan.gif)
This is the first time I have commented on this excellent blog and so I expose to you my humble opinions and visions about all this I talked about.
May I have the discernment to propose Baron (or Dymphna) to make another thread or compilation of all these comments to enlighten us all about what happened in Pakistan and its consequences? Keep the good work! And I kind of miss a Fjordman post folks!
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Why does that map called Hindu Kashmir "Indian-occupied"?
no idea really. Perhaps that is the official name?
Bush is an idiot because he calls Pakistan an American ally. All Pakistan is is stolen Indian Hindu land. The Pakis are descended from Indian traitors who converted to Islam when The Arab Muslim Nazi invaded. They are The Bosnians and Albanians of South Asia just like Bosnia and Albania are stolen Serb Christan lands.
agree on this.
You should add though, that Iran (Persia) is the same!!!
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Persia was never Hindu. Persia is a land from Biblical times that had it's own identity but was Islamized as a whole. If you're going to say it's stolen land, then say it was stolen from The Zoroastrians.
exactly.§
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Kashmir has ALWAYS been part of INDIA. It's one of the most beautiful places on Earth. As soon as the Muzzie population reached critical mass there (about 40% of the population) they immediately began non-stop terror attacks and began shouting that it was "disputed territory" -- just like Eretz Yisrael. They've screamed and killed so long that now all the stupid uneducated leftist media report that Kashmir is "The DISPUTED Territory of Kashmir!" Sound familiar?
Did anyone besides myself notice the constant "stiff-armed" Nazi salutes of Benazhir Butthole and her followers?
That outdoor latrine is a sad excuse for a "country"...
C-130 Cargo planes should fly over dropping millions of tons of napalm down on those festering cockroaches with their sub-human culture and religion.
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Thousands of Kashmiri Pandit Hindus are living in diaspora. They have been driven out of their ancestral homeland and many of them live in tents in other Indian states. Indian army kills 3 (average) muslim terrorists every day. There is no outcry from the Western world and the media. They all talk about "injustice to the PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis" who never had a history in the land of Israel but for Kashmiri Pandits who have been living there since the beginning of human civilzation do not deserve any justice?
http://www.kashmir-information.com/history/genocide.html
Please read Benazir Bhutto's interview with Asia Times @
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FK03Df03.html
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Pakistan (and Bangladesh) aren't even real countries, all that land belongs to India. The British are to blame for partitioning Indian land and giving a massive chunk to the muslims (wherby they promptly deported and murdered hundreds of thousands if not millions of Hindus and other non-muslims). The fact that Pakistan and Bangladesh exist as independent nations is an injustice in itself.
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muSSlim "countries"
are not REAL Countries.
8)
ALL current wars will cease,
when we re-integrate them
(these false "countries").
:)
Serbia, Israel and India
are the FIRST concerned
about this HOLY Task.
;)
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Pakistan (and Bangladesh) aren't even real countries, all that land belongs to India. The British are to blame for partitioning Indian land and giving a massive chunk to the muslims (wherby they promptly deported and murdered hundreds of thousands if not millions of Hindus and other non-muslims). The fact that Pakistan and Bangladesh exist as independent nations is an injustice in itself.
do not forget : inside India there's another 10% (if I'm right) of Muzzies.
They also aren't into birth-control there....
sounds familiar?
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...Sounds familiar, unfortunately.
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Well they're zones infected by brain feaver called pisslamus violentus for me, but they only dangerous recently becouse stupid British and American petro-imperialists are trying to use them as tools, History of India is almost identicall to Israel and present Serbia, Kosovo will be future Jordan and Pakistan, the source of future wars in Europe.
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Bosnia already plays the role you predict for Kosovo
(wich is also played, not in the future, but right now).
They both are mudjahedinazi nests...
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Bosnia already plays the role you predict for Kosovo
(wich is also played, not in the future, but right now).
They both are mudjahedinazi nests...
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Horrible. Here all towns are being swamped by new muslims, africans, and muslim-baby-boomers
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Bosnia already plays the role you predict for Kosovo
(wich is also played, not in the future, but right now).
They both are mudjahedinazi nests...
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Horrible. Here all towns are being swamped by new muslims, africans, and muslim-baby-boomers
The islamists said first we take the people of saturday , then we'll take people of sunday. Europeans must bow to Israelis who're the first and last bastion aginst Jihad. And be gratefull for Polish Plumbers without the people from eastern Europe you woud be already drowned. Being ocupied by Russia and cut off from western neo marxism by real socialy and moraly conservative comunism for fifty years now seems to be not a such bad deal afterall.
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Let them kill each other while we stand back and enjoy the fun.
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Olmert: Bhutto could have been bridge to Muslims
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herb keinon and michal lando , THE JERUSALEM POST Dec. 28, 2007
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Israeli leaders paid tribute to slain Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto on Thursday, even though Israel and Pakistan do not have diplomatic ties.
"I saw her as someone who could have served as a bridgehead to relations with that part of the Muslim world with whom our ties are naturally limited," Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told The Jerusalem Post.
He said the assassination was a "great tragedy," and that he received the news "with deep sadness."
Upon her return to Pakistan two months ago, Bhutto had stopped in London and, through a mutual acquaintance, relayed a message that she would "in the future like to strengthen the ties between Israel and Pakistan," Olmert said.
He called Pakistan a "very important country," and said he hoped the assassination would not lead to anarchy there, which would not bring "anything positive to the region or beyond."
President Shimon Peres said he was shocked by Bhutto's killing.
"Benazir Bhutto was a brave woman, who did not hide her opinions, did not know fear and served her people with courage and rare capability," he said in statement.
"I had the chance to meet her on several occasions, in which she expressed interest in Israel and said that she hoped to visit upon returning to power," Peres said. "Benazir was a charismatic leader and a fighter for peace in her country and across the world."
Ambassador to the UN Dan Gillerman recalled a meeting he had with Bhutto just prior to her return to Pakistan. "My wife and I had an intimate dinner with her and her husband," he said. "We spent over three hours with them. She was an incredibly impressive person, one of the most impressive in terms of her intellect, charm and charisma that I've ever met."
Gillerman said Bhutto was interested in normalizing relations with Israel. "She was interested in me relaying that information to Washington and the US, which I did," he said. "We were in touch since that meeting by e-mail several times and she expressed concern about her personal safety."
Gillerman said Bhutto had spoken about her fears of Pakistan falling into the hands of Islamic extremists. "She shared with us her plans to return Pakistan to democracy," he said. "She was very well aware of the problems facing her; she knew she was endangering her life by returning. I think she met with us to share with Israel, and through Israel, both her plans, fears and dreams."
A Foreign Ministry official said the possibility of sending a representative to Bhutto's funeral was "not even on the agenda," because of Israel's lack of diplomatic ties with Pakistan.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517231264&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
What the bunch of deaf and blind dhimis: "We will build the bridges to the muslim world", "Returning Fakistan to democracy". What part of "kill the sons of pigs" preached daily in "moderate" muslim countries they don't understand :D G-d help the Israel becouse with such "sober" and "briliant" leaders like Simeon Perish and Jehuda Shmolmert... :-\
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SchmOlmert: Bhutto could have been bridge to Muslims
Buttho is death. She was an enemy.
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Kananga: "...I just believe that a Bhutto-led government there would garner more interest and support among other Western governments that support Israel and the US. We could have made better use of the conflict to negotiate conditions that would favor security and antiterrorism of our interests with her alive..."
Kananga, you are exhibiting the type of suicidal and fatal reasoning common to most people in the West; projecting your own philosophy and world view on to other peoples and countries who are incapable of even understanding terms such as "democracy", "reason", "negotiation", "security", "peace", "stability", etc...
This type of thinking is precisely why the West is losing and will continue to lose our "so called" War on Terror.
The Islamic world wants nothing whatsoever to do with what you, Kananga, believes is in their "best interests".
The modern Western world and its socio-economic and political processes are in fact new and unique to world history; and are revolutionary, unacceptable, and threatening to most peoples around the globe.
The leaders of governments in Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan can change endlessly, without so much as one iota of change ever taking place in the mentality and behavior of its peoples.
We in America broke from the rest of the world and recreated the nation-state with radical notions of tolerance, freedom, liberty, negotiation, equality.
Not so most other countries which view the world in terms of a constant unbroken chain of events extending backwards in time.
They have not lived through The Enlightenment Age of Reason; neither have they experienced Protestant Reformations, Abolitionist Movements, Sexual Revolutions, Ecology Movements, etc... .
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Bush is an idiot because he calls Pakistan an American ally. All Pakistan is is stolen Indian Hindu land. The Pakis are descended from Indian traitors who converted to Islam when The Arab Muslim Nazi invaded. They are The Bosnians and Albanians of South Asia just like Bosnia and Albania are stolen Serb Christan lands.
Amen.
Don't forget that ALL of Sri Lanka is also Sinhalese Buddhist land that G-d gave to them.
The Pakistanis are the Bosnians of South Asia.
The Bangladeshis are the Croats of South Asia.
The Tamils are the Albanians of South Asia.
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CNN has made non stop commentating about Bhutto, as if she was a Saint. May I remind she comes from an EVIL cult that wants our blood? But then again The C in CNN should be more like the Muzzie cresent symbol
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Bush is an idiot because he calls Pakistan an American ally. All Pakistan is is stolen Indian Hindu land. The Pakis are descended from Indian traitors who converted to Islam when The Arab Muslim Nazi invaded. They are The Bosnians and Albanians of South Asia just like Bosnia and Albania are stolen Serb Christan lands.
Amen.
Don't forget that ALL of Sri Lanka is also Sinhalese Buddhist land that G-d gave to them.
The Pakistanis are the Bosnians of South Asia.
The Bangladeshis are the Croats of South Asia.
The Tamils are the Albanians of South Asia.
That's true they are a dangerous threat >:(
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R.I.T. (Rest In Torment), Benazir Butthole, YS"VZ. ;)
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R.I.T. (Rest In Torment), Benazir Butthole, YS"VZ. ;)
:laugh:
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R.I.T. (Rest In Torment), Benazir Butthole, YS"VZ. ;)
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Maybe shes getting to be one of the 72 virgins for the bomber that took her out...sounds like islam to me
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Do ugly stinking Muzzie women get 72 virgins???
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So terrorist suicide bombers are good in some cases?
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So terrorist suicide bombers are good in some cases?
Yes when they kill other muslims. Good muzie dead muzie; real gentleman. 8;)
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So terrorist suicide bombers are good in some cases?
Yes when they kill other muslims. Good muzie dead muzie; real gentleman. 8;)
Thats stupid. If a Nazi killed another Nazi, would he be a gentleman?
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So terrorist suicide bombers are good in some cases?
Yes when they kill other muslims. Good muzie dead muzie; real gentleman. 8;)
Thats stupid. If a Nazi killed another Nazi, would he be a gentleman?
The murdered nazi muslim will be gentleman... wait in rightly governed countries the murderers are hunged...
that will be two nazi muslims less. :::D HAPPY NEW YEAR SARA O0
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Wasn't she in exhile for so many years?
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Re: "...Wasn't she in exhile for so many years?..."
Yeah...if you call retiring in the lap of luxury in Dubai, with millions of dollars stolen from your own country, "exile"! ;D
Sounds to me that she exiled Pakistan! :::D