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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Khazan on January 06, 2008, 01:22:12 AM
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I saw Chaim's video on Ron Paul. I usually like what Chaim has to say, but I think he makes some very fallacious arguments.
Arguing that x and y support Ron Paul is a fallacy of guilt by association. Yes, one of the fellows at StørmFrønt donated money to his campaign, but does that make Ron Paul a Nazi or racist? Sure, he could have turned it down, but that would undermine the grassroots element of his campaign.
Chaim also grossly fails to grasp what Ron Paul said with regards to our foreign policy and 9/11, as well as equating that in having "Truther" supporters, Ron Paul himself is a "truther." Yes, I'm sure some his supporters think 9/11 was an inside job and the government was behind it, but this more than a stone's throw away from Ron Paul said at I think was the first debate. He said the terrorists were ultimately responsible in later interviews, what he's getting at is that our foreign policy is angering the Arab world, and our policy in effect served as a contingency for the 9/11 attacks, and that we should review our foreign policy. I think an apt analogy is that we don't like illegal aliens taking our jobs, and the Arabs don't like us having military installations on their land.
I point this out, because Ron Paul is the most conservative and only actual conservative running. He wants to eliminate the IRS and virtually all federal programs, he's the only one who is against the Iraq War and voted against it, and he will keep us out of unnecessary wars.
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EVERYTHING IS WRONG WITH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He is a left-wing politician.
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He's a Nazi and uses the word Neo-Con. Plus, he donates to white nazi nationalist organizations and all of his fans are nazis and support him etc.
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He is a left-wing politician.
Eliminating the IRS is leftwing? Getting rid of virtually all federal programs is leftwing?
check this out
http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block88.html
What's wrong with the word "neo-con"? They are actual people who have royally wrecked this country.
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He is a left-wing politician.
Eliminating the IRS is leftwing? Getting rid of virtually all federal programs is leftwing?
check this out
http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block88.html
What's wrong with the word "neo-con"? They are actual people who have royally wrecked this country.
He will take no action against terrorists. that's leftism.
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Shitler used the word " das Internationales Finanzjudentom".
Now it's neo-cons
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He says that the having U.S. installations in the middle east caused 9/11. He can argue that..But it doesn't seem like he's in a hurry to catch Osama bin Laden and bring alquieda to justice.
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He says that the having U.S. installations in the middle east caused 9/11. He can argue that..But it doesn't seem like he's in a hurry to catch Osama bin Laden and bring alquieda to justice.
Neither is Bush
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Being antiwar does not mean he won't take action against Terrorists. I guess you would construe Bush's war on Iraq leftism, as it is an unnecessary war that is costing us much money, essentially a giant government program, which is leftist.
What's wrong with the word "neo-con"? They are actual people who have royally wrecked this country.
It's wrong because he blames it on Jews. He uses Neo-Con as a code word for Jews.
Can you back that up? That's as conspiracy theoryesqe as the truther's. There are actual neocons, some who are Jews, some who are not. It's funny Ambiortix calls him a leftist, when neoconservatism, according to Michael Lind, in fact has its roots in Leftism.
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Bush is a bush
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What's wrong with the word "neo-con"? They are actual people who have royally wrecked this country.
It's wrong because he blames it on Jews. He uses Neo-Con as a code word for Jews.
He probably does..But is there any direct poof he uses Neo-Con as a code word for Jews?
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Listen...Ron Paul blames the US for the Muslims wanting to destroy us. The problem is that he doesn't understand that the reason why Muslims hate us is because in the Koran it encourages them to take over the world and kill or convert the infidels. Appeasing a brutal enemy is poor foreign policy.
Yes, i like him for his consistincy and principled point of view...However, he is consistently wrong and on the opposite when it comes down to defending this country.
He's a big no-no!
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He says that the having U.S. installations in the middle east caused 9/11. He can argue that..But it doesn't seem like he's in a hurry to catch Osama bin Laden and bring alquieda to justice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Letters_of_marque_and_reprisal
Paul put forth a marque and repraisal act that would have targetted specific terrorists. Letters of Marque would grant the "right" (protection of the government) for citizens to kill the said terrorists, essentially they would have bounty. I'll have to check if it got passed, if not, well, who are the leftists then? He also voted in favor of the authorization of war in Afghanistan. I think it's safe to Paul would go after the terrorists.
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We can't have "in the closet" jew-bashers running for president and scapegoating them and using secret code words for jews. He also isn't a supporter of Israel.
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Just because he says they attacked us because "we're over there," doesn't mean that he's not against bringing Alquida to justice...But it just doesn't seem to me that he's eager to get Bin Laden for what he did...I agree with him that the US shouldn't even bother with that part of the world unless there is a threat against the us.
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We can't have "in the closet" jew-bashers running for president and scapegoating them and using secret code words for jews. He also isn't a supporter of Israel.
It may be true, but how do we know that he's using it as a codeword for Jews? No one really gave direct evidence of this..
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all of you who support ron paul are on the wrong site.this site is created by mr.chaim and if he say that ron is bad and jtf support huckabee, there is nothing else to it!this is not democratcy what mr.chaim says that it final,if you can't deal with it go somewhere else until electon is over.
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all of you who support ron paul are on the wrong site.this site is created by mr.chaim and if he say that ron is bad and jtf support huckabee, there is nothing else to it!this is not democratcy what mr.chaim says that it final,if you can't deal with it go somewhere else until electon is over.
chaim welcomes discussion and disagreement/debate
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Being antiwar does not mean he won't take action against Terrorists. I guess you would construe Bush's war on Iraq leftism, as it is an unnecessary war that is costing us much money, essentially a giant government program, which is leftist.
What's wrong with the word "neo-con"? They are actual people who have royally wrecked this country.
It's wrong because he blames it on Jews. He uses Neo-Con as a code word for Jews.
Can you back that up? That's as conspiracy theoryesqe as the truther's. There are actual neocons, some who are Jews, some who are not. It's funny Ambiortix calls him a leftist, when neoconservatism, according to Michael Lind, in fact has its roots in Leftism.
Ron Paul, in his article "Neo-Conned" claims that neocons unconditionally support the Likud Party. That exposes the fact that he uses "neocons" as code words for Jews. Just as well, it is absurd to connect neoconservativsm with lenninism and bolshevism (which is what many Buchananites and others claim today). Of course the neocons are anti-Israel, and support the pro-democracy policies of Woodrow Wilson, but to somehow connect that with lenninism and bolshevism is absurd.
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WTF? Hang on I will help you out here, Ron Paul so great, he is a MD, and delivered 4000 babies, and served 5 years in the US military, oh suck , kiss, crawl on my hands and knees............. ::)
He is a Neo Nazi scum bag Get Over it!
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all of you who support ron paul are on the wrong site.this site is created by mr.chaim and if he say that ron is bad and jtf support huckabee, there is nothing else to it!this is not democratcy what mr.chaim says that it final,if you can't deal with it go somewhere else until electon is over.
chaim welcomes discussion and disagreement/debate
no when it come to this!have you heard that JTF support hackbee!so anything else is out of question!
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Being antiwar does not mean he won't take action against Terrorists. I guess you would construe Bush's war on Iraq leftism, as it is an unnecessary war that is costing us much money, essentially a giant government program, which is leftist.
What's wrong with the word "neo-con"? They are actual people who have royally wrecked this country.
It's wrong because he blames it on Jews. He uses Neo-Con as a code word for Jews.
Can you back that up? That's as conspiracy theoryesqe as the truther's. There are actual neocons, some who are Jews, some who are not. It's funny Ambiortix calls him a leftist, when neoconservatism, according to Michael Lind, in fact has its roots in Leftism.
Ron Paul, in his article "Neo-Conned" claims that neocons unconditionally support the Likud Party. That exposes the fact that he uses "neocons" as code words for Jews. Just as well, it is absurd to connect neoconservativsm with lenninism and bolshevism (which is what many Buchananites and others claim today). Of course the neocons are anti-Israel, and support the pro-democracy policies of Woodrow Wilson, but to somehow connect that with lenninism and bolshevism is absurd.
It is stupid of him to equate neocons with leninists and to say that the neocons support the Likud. But that still doesn't prove he's using neocons as a code for Jews..I need more proof..I'm almost there guys
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It is really comical to think that anyone could really picture Ron Paul as president of the United States. This guy really is a hundred and fifty years to late with the kind of policy he wants America to follow. The world as he sees it does not exist in 2008. He makes a good point here and there however America can not be isolationist in todays world and this is one of his key issues. This guy is nothing more then a aging 60's flower child that thinks no defense spending is needed. He feels that all that money is wasted and could be put to use in social programs. Honestly this guy is a non issue a distraction. Why he is even on the Republican panel is really strange. This guy should be relegated to one of the minor parties. His policy on Israel is sickening. Chaim is absolutely correct about Ron Paul he really don't fit into any picture JTF would like to see.
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EVERYTHING IS WRONG WITH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you provide me information and give some examples.
I am not optimally informed about this subject.
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WTF? Hang on I will help you out here, Ron Paul so great, he is a MD, and delivered 4000 babies, and served 5 years in the US military, oh suck , kiss, crawl on my hands and knees............. ::)
He is a Neo Nazi scum bag Get Over it!
well, the point tha should be taken about Ron paul is not whether or not he is a Nazi...Massuah gave me a good spanking about what a Nazi is...
the problem with Ron Paul is that he blames our country for the craziness of the Muzzies...So whatever he is or isn't..I know what he is. He is someone who doesn't know history and doesn't know Muzzies...he must be stopped from spreading terrible lies. We did not cause 9/11...The Muzzies did. The Muzzies hate us because of their own culture...not because of us hanging out in the Mid east. It's like when the Israelis blamed themselves for the Palistinian issue...except it's all THEIR fault..not Israel's...
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WTF? Hang on I will help you out here, Ron Paul so great, he is a MD, and delivered 4000 babies, and served 5 years in the US military, oh suck , kiss, crawl on my hands and knees............. ::)
He is a Neo Nazi scum bag Get Over it!
well, the point tha should be taken about Ron paul is not whether or not he is a Nazi...Massuah gave me a good spanking about what a Nazi is...
the problem with Ron Paul is that he blames our country for the craziness of the Muzzies...So whatever he is or isn't..I know what he is. He is someone who doesn't know history and doesn't know Muzzies...he must be stopped from spreading terrible lies. We did not cause 9/11...The Muzzies did. The Muzzies hate us because of their own culture...not because of us hanging out in the Mid east. It's like when the Israelis blamed themselves for the Palistinian issue...except it's all THEIR fault..not Israel's...
He is a neo nazi that is never once dismissed on his forum.
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WTF? Hang on I will help you out here, Ron Paul so great, he is a MD, and delivered 4000 babies, and served 5 years in the US military, oh suck , kiss, crawl on my hands and knees............. ::)
He is a Neo Nazi scum bag Get Over it!
well, the point tha should be taken about Ron paul is not whether or not he is a Nazi...Massuah gave me a good spanking about what a Nazi is...
the problem with Ron Paul is that he blames our country for the craziness of the Muzzies...So whatever he is or isn't..I know what he is. He is someone who doesn't know history and doesn't know Muzzies...he must be stopped from spreading terrible lies. We did not cause 9/11...The Muzzies did. The Muzzies hate us because of their own culture...not because of us hanging out in the Mid east. It's like when the Israelis blamed themselves for the Palistinian issue...except it's all THEIR fault..not Israel's...
He is a neo nazi that is never once dismissed on his forum.
And I'm saying, whether one wants to agree or disagere that he is a Nazi, isn't half the point. It's the fact that is foreign policy with the Arabs and Muzzies is terrible for this country and the world. He wants to retreat from the very brutal enemies who wants to destroy us. He actually thinks that it will bring peace and reconciliation with the Arabs and Muzzies if we did that! That's the the real problem with him!
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On the surface, Ron Paul has good ideas. But ultimately, his support is actually from left wingers. There is a reason for that. I just wish Tancredo and Hunter had the internet support Ron Paul has.
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WTF? Hang on I will help you out here, Ron Paul so great, he is a MD, and delivered 4000 babies, and served 5 years in the US military, oh suck , kiss, crawl on my hands and knees............. ::)
He is a Neo Nazi scum bag Get Over it!
well, the point tha should be taken about Ron paul is not whether or not he is a Nazi...Massuah gave me a good spanking about what a Nazi is...
the problem with Ron Paul is that he blames our country for the craziness of the Muzzies...So whatever he is or isn't..I know what he is. He is someone who doesn't know history and doesn't know Muzzies...he must be stopped from spreading terrible lies. We did not cause 9/11...The Muzzies did. The Muzzies hate us because of their own culture...not because of us hanging out in the Mid east. It's like when the Israelis blamed themselves for the Palistinian issue...except it's all THEIR fault..not Israel's...
He is a neo nazi that is never once dismissed on his forum.
And I'm saying, whether one wants to agree or disagere that he is a Nazi, isn't half the point. It's the fact that is foreign policy with the Arabs and Muzzies is terrible for this country and the world. He wants to retreat from the very brutal enemies who wants to destroy us. He actually thinks that it will bring peace and reconciliation with the Arabs and Muzzies if we did that! That's the the real problem with him!
Thats the whole point Doc, thats what the Neo Nazis want. Its apart of the bigger picture.
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After the abandonment of Tancredo I was without a candidate so I looked much deeper into the rest, including Paul.
I actually can support many of his domestic issues but he is so far off base with islam it is scary. The thought that US foreign policy is what causes muslims to hate us is beyond absurd. Another politician who obviously never read the quran or hadiths. I guess it was our foreign policy back in the early 1800's that caused those upset muslims to enslave American merchants in the Barbary states that the US marines were created for to go rescue. I do agree we should not be involved in any nation building other than our own, and yes, this even includes allies.
I would even welcome getting the hell out of all their cesspool countries, on the condition that they all get the hell out of ours.
He(Paul) did say something that made sense. Whether he was being deceiving or not I don't know. He claimed our support for Israel actually hurts them with their muzzie enemies. Not that they hate them because of American support, we all know they(muzzies) will always hate Israel, and everyone else, whether there is American support or not. The point that he made is that Israel will often hold back from taking aggressive actions because of the wishes and whims of the US leadership. Their deferment to the US does and will hurt them when necessary retaliation or just self defense is needed. This was kind of proven during the Gulf War when Israel did not respond to incoming missiles at the US request. Again, whether he was sincere in this or not I do not know but it is an extremely valid point.
With all that said, even though I support many of his domestic issues, I can never support a candidate who is totally naive when it comes to islam. The problem with this is I still do not have a candidate. After seeing the debate last night I am even more disappointed, as every one of them that mentioned islam all had the usual disclaimers,(a small minority, hijackers of religion, etc.).
Huckabee? I must be missing something here. I have absolutely no confidence in him.
Let em all in McCain, can't make up my mind Romney, muslim apologist staffers Thompson, domestically liberal Rudy, I don't know why I'm here Richardson, populist in a mansion Edwards, satanic Clinton and Obama the muslim.
This country is in deep trouble.
SerbChicago, I will listen to what Chaim has to say just as anyone else here will but to vote for someone just because he tells you to, or to vote for anyone just because someone, anyone, tells you to, is very frightening. This is a big resaon we are in the mess we are in, too many people do not think for themselves.
As for Paul being a nazi or not, honestly I would not know, it seems many here seem to believe so. If there are reasons to back this claim up then I guess he might be. If the reason is just because he was seen in a photo with some neo-nazi or was sent contributions from such a group is not really a valid argument. The black man in Long Island that shot a white teen who was at his house with a small mob looking to do harm to his son and then shot and killed the white teen in a scuffle was just convicted for murder is having his conviction protested by black groups such as NOI and Al Sharpton. As hard as it is for me to say this, in this instance, NOI and Sharpton are right. I would have done the same thing in a similar situation. Does that make me a NOI member or a sharpton supporter?
OK, before I get attacked here I am in no way defending Ron Paul, his idiotic view on our islamic enemies is enough to turn me off even if he was right on every other single issue, I am just trying to make a few points that I was not sure were being made here.
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After the abandonment of Tancredo I was without a candidate so I looked much deeper into the rest, including Paul.
I actually can support many of his domestic issues but he is so far off base with islam it is scary. The thought that US foreign policy is what causes muslims to hate us is beyond absurd. Another politician who obviously never read the quran or hadiths. I guess it was our foreign policy back in the early 1800's that caused those upset muslims to enslave American merchants in the Barbary states that the US marines were created for to go rescue. I do agree we should not be involved in any nation building other than our own, and yes, this even includes allies.
I would even welcome getting the hell out of all their cesspool countries, on the condition that they all get the hell out of ours.
He(Paul) did say something that made sense. Whether he was being deceiving or not I don't know. He claimed our support for Israel actually hurts them with their muzzie enemies. Not that they hate them because of American support, we all know they(muzzies) will always hate Israel, and everyone else, whether there is American support or not. The point that he made is that Israel will often hold back from taking aggressive actions because of the wishes and whims of the US leadership. Their deferment to the US does and will hurt them when necessary retaliation or just self defense is needed. This was kind of proven during the Gulf War when Israel did not respond to incoming missiles at the US request. Again, whether he was sincere in this or not I do not know but it is an extremely valid point.
With all that said, even though I support many of his domestic issues, I can never support a candidate who is totally naive when it comes to islam. The problem with this is I still do not have a candidate. After seeing the debate last night I am even more disappointed, as every one of them that mentioned islam all had the usual disclaimers,(a small minority, hijackers of religion, etc.).
Huckabee? I must be missing something here. I have absolutely no confidence in him.
Let em all in McCain, can't make up my mind Romney, muslim apologist staffers Thompson, domestically liberal Rudy, I don't know why I'm here Richardson, populist in a mansion Edwards, satanic Clinton and Obama the muslim.
This country is in deep trouble.
SerbChicago, I will listen to what Chaim has to say just as anyone else here will but to vote for someone just because he tells you to, or to vote for anyone just because someone, anyone, tells you to, is very frightening. This is a big resaon we are in the mess we are in, too many people do not think for themselves.
As for Paul being a nazi or not, honestly I would not know, it seems many here seem to believe so. If there are reasons to back this claim up then I guess he might be. If the reason is just because he was seen in a photo with some neo-nazi or was sent contributions from such a group is not really a valid argument. The black man in Long Island that shot a white teen who was at his house with a small mob looking to do harm to his son and then shot and killed the white teen in a scuffle was just convicted for murder is having his conviction protested by black groups such as NOI and Al Sharpton. As hard as it is for me to say this, in this instance, NOI and Sharpton are right. I would have done the same thing in a similar situation. Does that make me a NOI member or a sharpton supporter?
OK, before I get attacked here I am in no way defending Ron Paul, his idiotic view on our islamic enemies is enough to turn me off even if he was right on every other single issue, I am just trying to make a few points that I was not sure were being made here.
You haev a good point about pual and all of thse candidates.
However, in my opinion, the best choice to start with is a candidate who will be proactive on oil independence...We can bomb the heck out of everyone or say that we will, but that won't stop them. We need to render oil worthless. Huckabee comes the closest to pursuing that. i would say Guiliani is second. Those two will fight the Muzzies when we are attacked, I believe.
Unfortunately you can't get everything these days from Republicans..so start wtih the single most important thing: fighting terror. And if not by arial bombings, getting rid of oil.
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I find Ron Paul to be a lot like Ross Perot. There's a part of them that look and sound appealing. But after a while, they look and sound like annoying and paranoid little chipmonks. I think Ron Paul is very principled and is consistent with his principles. But he's also too wrapped up in this idea that we are responsible for causing terrorism on ourselves. I liked it when Fred Thomson, in last night's debate, responded with a sarcastic remark to Paul stating, "So if we stop intervening in other countries affairs and stop printing money, that will solve the problem?"
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I find Ron Paul to be a lot like Ross Perot. There's a part of them that look and sound appealing. But after a while, they look and sound like annoying and paranoid little chipmonks. I think Ron Paul is very principled and is consistent with his principles. But he's also too wrapped up in this idea that we are responsible for causing terrorism on ourselves. I liked it when Fred Thomson, in last night's debate, responded with a sarcastic remark to Paul stating, "So if we stop intervening in other countries affairs and stop printing money, that will solve the problem?"
I don't care for Thomson either but he was in rare form last night. That was very good when he said that. He put one of the other candidates in their place also but I don't recall the exact issue. He must have taken his Geritol last night
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I find Ron Paul to be a lot like Ross Perot. There's a part of them that look and sound appealing. But after a while, they look and sound like annoying and paranoid little chipmonks. I think Ron Paul is very principled and is consistent with his principles. But he's also too wrapped up in this idea that we are responsible for causing terrorism on ourselves. I liked it when Fred Thomson, in last night's debate, responded with a sarcastic remark to Paul stating, "So if we stop intervening in other countries affairs and stop printing money, that will solve the problem?"
I don't care for Thomson either but he was in rare form last night. That was very good when he said that. He put one of the other candidates in their place also but I don't recall the exact issue. He must have taken his Geritol last night
I can actually picture him being a good spokesperson on Geritol commercials :) Bob Dole for Viagra and Thomson for Geritol, why not? We should also have Ron Paul be a spokesperson for Haldol ;)
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all of you who support ron paul are on the wrong site.this site is created by mr.chaim and if he say that ron is bad and jtf support huckabee, there is nothing else to it!this is not democratcy what mr.chaim says that it final,if you can't deal with it go somewhere else until electon is over.
This is not true. While Chaim is the primary leader of JTF, he is not a dictator and he welcomes dissent and debate.
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Being antiwar does not mean he won't take action against Terrorists. I guess you would construe Bush's war on Iraq leftism, as it is an unnecessary war that is costing us much money, essentially a giant government program, which is leftist.
What's wrong with the word "neo-con"? They are actual people who have royally wrecked this country.
It's wrong because he blames it on Jews. He uses Neo-Con as a code word for Jews.
Can you back that up? That's as conspiracy theoryesqe as the truther's. There are actual neocons, some who are Jews, some who are not. It's funny Ambiortix calls him a leftist, when neoconservatism, according to Michael Lind, in fact has its roots in Leftism.
Ron Paul, in his article "Neo-Conned" claims that neocons unconditionally support the Likud Party. That exposes the fact that he uses "neocons" as code words for Jews. Just as well, it is absurd to connect neoconservativsm with lenninism and bolshevism (which is what many Buchananites and others claim today). Of course the neocons are anti-Israel, and support the pro-democracy policies of Woodrow Wilson, but to somehow connect that with lenninism and bolshevism is absurd.
It is stupid of him to equate neocons with leninists and to say that the neocons support the Likud. But that still doesn't prove he's using neocons as a code for Jews..I need more proof..I'm almost there guys
I personally don't think there's enough evidence that his use of the word "Neocons" is a code word for Jews. But I do suspect that his use of "Neocons" is more likely a code word for Zionists. Keep in mind, Zionists doesn't necessarily refer to Jews and many non-Jews are stronger Zionists than many Jews. So I think that it might be more accurate to state that Paul is more Anti-zionist than he is anti-Jewish.
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I find Ron Paul to be a lot like Ross Perot. There's a part of them that look and sound appealing. But after a while, they look and sound like annoying and paranoid little chipmonks. I think Ron Paul is very principled and is consistent with his principles. But he's also too wrapped up in this idea that we are responsible for causing terrorism on ourselves. I liked it when Fred Thomson, in last night's debate, responded with a sarcastic remark to Paul stating, "So if we stop intervening in other countries affairs and stop printing money, that will solve the problem?"
I don't care for Thomson either but he was in rare form last night. That was very good when he said that. He put one of the other candidates in their place also but I don't recall the exact issue. He must have taken his Geritol last night
I can actually picture him being a good spokesperson on Geritol commercials :) Bob Dole for Viagra and Thomson for Geritol, why not? We should also have Ron Paul be a spokesperson for Haldol ;)
Ron Paul looks as if he was made for that job. Honestly I was looking at the three front runners last night and I have to say Its either Romney or Huckabee. Rudy seems to have lost something he had a few weeks ago. It seems since he took sick a few weeks ago he hasn't been the same. I am starting to think Chaim is right Huckabee is about the best in the bunch for the viable Republican candidates.
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Being antiwar does not mean he won't take action against Terrorists. I guess you would construe Bush's war on Iraq leftism, as it is an unnecessary war that is costing us much money, essentially a giant government program, which is leftist.
What's wrong with the word "neo-con"? They are actual people who have royally wrecked this country.
It's wrong because he blames it on Jews. He uses Neo-Con as a code word for Jews.
Can you back that up? That's as conspiracy theoryesqe as the truther's. There are actual neocons, some who are Jews, some who are not. It's funny Ambiortix calls him a leftist, when neoconservatism, according to Michael Lind, in fact has its roots in Leftism.
Ron Paul, in his article "Neo-Conned" claims that neocons unconditionally support the Likud Party. That exposes the fact that he uses "neocons" as code words for Jews. Just as well, it is absurd to connect neoconservativsm with lenninism and bolshevism (which is what many Buchananites and others claim today). Of course the neocons are anti-Israel, and support the pro-democracy policies of Woodrow Wilson, but to somehow connect that with lenninism and bolshevism is absurd.
It is stupid of him to equate neocons with leninists and to say that the neocons support the Likud. But that still doesn't prove he's using neocons as a code for Jews..I need more proof..I'm almost there guys
I personally don't think there's enough evidence that his use of the word "Neocons" is a code word for Jews. But I do suspect that his use of "Neocons" is more likely a code word for Zionists. Keep in mind, Zionists doesn't necessarily refer to Jews and many non-Jews are stronger Zionists than many Jews. So I think that it might be more accurate to state that Paul is more Anti-zionist than he is anti-Jewish.
I don't know what anti he is however he just has this obsolete fortress America concept that can't work in todays world. Add to that he has socialist notions that border on total redistribution of the wealth. All he kept saying last night is if America didn't fight wars there would be money for social programs.
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After the abandonment of Tancredo I was without a candidate so I looked much deeper into the rest, including Paul.
I actually can support many of his domestic issues but he is so far off base with islam it is scary. The thought that US foreign policy is what causes muslims to hate us is beyond absurd. Another politician who obviously never read the quran or hadiths. I guess it was our foreign policy back in the early 1800's that caused those upset muslims to enslave American merchants in the Barbary states that the US marines were created for to go rescue. I do agree we should not be involved in any nation building other than our own, and yes, this even includes allies.
I would even welcome getting the hell out of all their cesspool countries, on the condition that they all get the hell out of ours.
He(Paul) did say something that made sense. Whether he was being deceiving or not I don't know. He claimed our support for Israel actually hurts them with their muzzie enemies. Not that they hate them because of American support, we all know they(muzzies) will always hate Israel, and everyone else, whether there is American support or not. The point that he made is that Israel will often hold back from taking aggressive actions because of the wishes and whims of the US leadership. Their deferment to the US does and will hurt them when necessary retaliation or just self defense is needed. This was kind of proven during the Gulf War when Israel did not respond to incoming missiles at the US request. Again, whether he was sincere in this or not I do not know but it is an extremely valid point.
With all that said, even though I support many of his domestic issues, I can never support a candidate who is totally naive when it comes to islam. The problem with this is I still do not have a candidate. After seeing the debate last night I am even more disappointed, as every one of them that mentioned islam all had the usual disclaimers,(a small minority, hijackers of religion, etc.).
Huckabee? I must be missing something here. I have absolutely no confidence in him.
Let em all in McCain, can't make up my mind Romney, muslim apologist staffers Thompson, domestically liberal Rudy, I don't know why I'm here Richardson, populist in a mansion Edwards, satanic Clinton and Obama the muslim.
This country is in deep trouble.
SerbChicago, I will listen to what Chaim has to say just as anyone else here will but to vote for someone just because he tells you to, or to vote for anyone just because someone, anyone, tells you to, is very frightening. This is a big resaon we are in the mess we are in, too many people do not think for themselves.
As for Paul being a nazi or not, honestly I would not know, it seems many here seem to believe so. If there are reasons to back this claim up then I guess he might be. If the reason is just because he was seen in a photo with some neo-nazi or was sent contributions from such a group is not really a valid argument. The black man in Long Island that shot a white teen who was at his house with a small mob looking to do harm to his son and then shot and killed the white teen in a scuffle was just convicted for murder is having his conviction protested by black groups such as NOI and Al Sharpton. As hard as it is for me to say this, in this instance, NOI and Sharpton are right. I would have done the same thing in a similar situation. Does that make me a NOI member or a sharpton supporter?
OK, before I get attacked here I am in no way defending Ron Paul, his idiotic view on our islamic enemies is enough to turn me off even if he was right on every other single issue, I am just trying to make a few points that I was not sure were being made here.
listen to me i know in my guts that you are rons man.first i have look all candidates and i am greatly invalved in this issues and i have to agree with mr.chaim that ron is a disaster for america,europe,middle east and whole world with his opinions about forigen policys even one domestic!just people,like your self,think that we follow like sheep,but you self youare free thinker ( in my opinion like paul).aren't you the one that is on wrong side of street?aren't you the one who think like liberal(ron paul is ultimatly liberal,it just apear to happend that he have R next to his name,just like mc'caine)?i am member of family reasrch program(i don't kno have you heard from them,but if you didn't google them and you will find out that they support republicans,pro-life,pro-marredge,pro-israel and they are evangelical organizacion)and they have run a poll and in first lace was mitt romney second was huckabee.3.we are(as jtf)movement,just like political party and if our president(mr.chaim)says that JTF supports huckabee,then that is it!we can not have as a movement diferences among our self,becose of that we will faul a part with in!!!!!!!i don't know do you know that Iowa is a evangelical state and thet is a reason why huckabee won,romney second!he is a pastor,don't you think that would save america from liberals,hollywood and gay activist?!most of people belive in G-d(in G-d we trust)and this is our man(for jews and like my self orthodox).4.JTF is only organization who is trying to save my country(save kosovo forum)and if mr.chaim says huckabee(i think he is more wiseer than you in this matter,him self is invalved in this greatly) then i am for him too.5. and most of us are for huckabee and who are you to tell me something!how old are you anyway?!6.i am listener of radio talk show savage nation(michael savage,whohim self is a jew and support my contry)and he is for romney,so in any case all people i support are for huckabee or romney,so if any of them wins i didn't loose!6.if you wont to be JTF-er this is the time to get in this wagone of ours or you will be left on station strangled with others just like Ron paul of yours and others lierals as michae savage says LIBERALIZAM IS A MENTAL DISORDER and my friend my diagnose is you got it!!!!!! that is all from me!p.s.some of this shoul open mind to Daniel too!
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After the abandonment of Tancredo I was without a candidate so I looked much deeper into the rest, including Paul.
I actually can support many of his domestic issues but he is so far off base with islam it is scary. The thought that US foreign policy is what causes muslims to hate us is beyond absurd. Another politician who obviously never read the quran or hadiths. I guess it was our foreign policy back in the early 1800's that caused those upset muslims to enslave American merchants in the Barbary states that the US marines were created for to go rescue. I do agree we should not be involved in any nation building other than our own, and yes, this even includes allies.
I would even welcome getting the hell out of all their cesspool countries, on the condition that they all get the hell out of ours.
He(Paul) did say something that made sense. Whether he was being deceiving or not I don't know. He claimed our support for Israel actually hurts them with their muzzie enemies. Not that they hate them because of American support, we all know they(muzzies) will always hate Israel, and everyone else, whether there is American support or not. The point that he made is that Israel will often hold back from taking aggressive actions because of the wishes and whims of the US leadership. Their deferment to the US does and will hurt them when necessary retaliation or just self defense is needed. This was kind of proven during the Gulf War when Israel did not respond to incoming missiles at the US request. Again, whether he was sincere in this or not I do not know but it is an extremely valid point.
With all that said, even though I support many of his domestic issues, I can never support a candidate who is totally naive when it comes to islam. The problem with this is I still do not have a candidate. After seeing the debate last night I am even more disappointed, as every one of them that mentioned islam all had the usual disclaimers,(a small minority, hijackers of religion, etc.).
Huckabee? I must be missing something here. I have absolutely no confidence in him.
Let em all in McCain, can't make up my mind Romney, muslim apologist staffers Thompson, domestically liberal Rudy, I don't know why I'm here Richardson, populist in a mansion Edwards, satanic Clinton and Obama the muslim.
This country is in deep trouble.
SerbChicago, I will listen to what Chaim has to say just as anyone else here will but to vote for someone just because he tells you to, or to vote for anyone just because someone, anyone, tells you to, is very frightening. This is a big resaon we are in the mess we are in, too many people do not think for themselves.
As for Paul being a nazi or not, honestly I would not know, it seems many here seem to believe so. If there are reasons to back this claim up then I guess he might be. If the reason is just because he was seen in a photo with some neo-nazi or was sent contributions from such a group is not really a valid argument. The black man in Long Island that shot a white teen who was at his house with a small mob looking to do harm to his son and then shot and killed the white teen in a scuffle was just convicted for murder is having his conviction protested by black groups such as NOI and Al Sharpton. As hard as it is for me to say this, in this instance, NOI and Sharpton are right. I would have done the same thing in a similar situation. Does that make me a NOI member or a sharpton supporter?
OK, before I get attacked here I am in no way defending Ron Paul, his idiotic view on our islamic enemies is enough to turn me off even if he was right on every other single issue, I am just trying to make a few points that I was not sure were being made here.
listen to me i know in my guts that you are rons man.first i have look all candidates and i am greatly invalved in this issues and i have to agree with mr.chaim that ron is a disaster for america,europe,middle east and whole world with his opinions about forigen policys even one domestic!just people,like your self,think that we follow like sheep,but you self youare free thinker ( in my opinion like paul).aren't you the one that is on wrong side of street?aren't you the one who think like liberal(ron paul is ultimatly liberal,it just apear to happend that he have R next to his name,just like mc'caine)?i am member of family reasrch program(i don't kno have you heard from them,but if you didn't google them and you will find out that they support republicans,pro-life,pro-marredge,pro-israel and they are evangelical organizacion)and they have run a poll and in first lace was mitt romney second was huckabee.3.we are(as jtf)movement,just like political party and if our president(mr.chaim)says that JTF supports huckabee,then that is it!we can not have as a movement diferences among our self,becose of that we will faul a part with in!!!!!!!i don't know do you know that Iowa is a evangelical state and thet is a reason why huckabee won,romney second!he is a pastor,don't you think that would save america from liberals,hollywood and gay activist?!most of people belive in G-d(in G-d we trust)and this is our man(for jews and like my self orthodox).4.JTF is only organization who is trying to save my country(save kosovo forum)and if mr.chaim says huckabee(i think he is more wiseer than you in this matter,him self is invalved in this greatly) then i am for him too.5. and most of us are for huckabee and who are you to tell me something!how old are you anyway?!6.i am listener of radio talk show savage nation(michael savage,whohim self is a jew and support my contry)and he is for romney,so in any case all people i support are for huckabee or romney,so if any of them wins i didn't loose!6.if you wont to be JTF-er this is the time to get in this wagone of ours or you will be left on station strangled with others just like Ron paul of yours and others lierals as michae savage says LIBERALIZAM IS A MENTAL DISORDER and my friend my diagnose is you got it!!!!!! that is all from me!p.s.some of this shoul open mind to Daniel too!
Wow, you have obviously greatly misunderstood everything I have said.
1. I am not a Paul supporter, not by a long shot. I was a Tancredo supporter and know I am not very satisfied with any of the candidates. I thought I made that clear. I almost hurt myself laughing being called a liberal as anyone that knows me will know how amusing that is. Believe me, you gut is lying to you.
2. Yes, I have heard of the Family Research council, I have also listened to and read Michael Savage. I have also heard of and listened to many other organizations and people. I guess I am only supposed to listen to the ones that you deemed qualified?
3. Republican only because they have an R next to their name. I couldn't agree more, not only Paul but just about every Republican today. Go visit loyalistparty.com and see how much of a liberal letter R republican I am according to you.
4. Just so you know, I am also very involved, have been for over 30 years. I am also betting I am older than you, just a hunch.
5. I never told you what to do. In fact, just the opposite, I was stating that people should not automatically do what someone else tells them to without doing their own investigation first, no matter who is telling you to do it.
6. Huckabee will save us from gay activists, hollywood, etc. because he is a pastor? Wasn't Carter considered a very holy man? He did a whole lot of good, didn't he? Just because someone is, or isn't, a pastor/preacher/reverend, rabbi, etc. is not a reason I support or not support someone.
7. Maybe JTF is the only forum trying to save "your" country of Kosovo, and I wish them and Kosovo luck. My country is the USA and has been my families country for many many generations and that is the country I am most concerned with saving.
8. As for getting on the wagon as you call it, the only wagon I am on is the one that is headed for what is best for America. That includes a muslim exclusion act, declassifying islam as a religion, securing our borders, preserving our second amendment rights, true choice in education, death penalty for murderers and pedophiles, penalties for those who hire and or rent to illegal aliens, English as the official language of the land, rebuilding our military and treating them with the respect they deserve, ending affirmative action, lowering taxes, drilling in ANWR and so much more. I guess this makes me a liberal according to you because I do not like the same candidate you do. I am sure I have also been way more involved in the last 30 years than you have so "who are you to tell me something"!
9.I am still pretty amused here at being called a liberal. My diagnosis is that you are actually more of a nazi that you claim Ron Paul to be, who let me make this perfectly clear, I will never support because of his idiotic views on our islamic enemies, because you cannot bear to have anyone not to totally agree with everything you say.
10. Now, if you want to vote for Huckabee because Chaim tells you to, go ahead, that is your right. I will vote for the best candidate of what is available, it might be Huckabee, it might not, it won't be Paul.
11. I am not sure of what movement you are referring to. The only movement I am concerned with is the movement to secure a free,secure, islamic free and constitutional America for my children and their children's future. If the JTF movement is in line with this I support it, if not, I won't.
12. You should try not to assume you know someone when you obviously don't have a clue, just becasue they don't agree with everything you say.
13. Now forget about Daniel, hopefully this will open your mind, but somehow I seriously doubt it.
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After the abandonment of Tancredo I was without a candidate so I looked much deeper into the rest, including Paul.
I actually can support many of his domestic issues but he is so far off base with islam it is scary. The thought that US foreign policy is what causes muslims to hate us is beyond absurd. Another politician who obviously never read the quran or hadiths. I guess it was our foreign policy back in the early 1800's that caused those upset muslims to enslave American merchants in the Barbary states that the US marines were created for to go rescue. I do agree we should not be involved in any nation building other than our own, and yes, this even includes allies.
I would even welcome getting the hell out of all their cesspool countries, on the condition that they all get the hell out of ours.
He(Paul) did say something that made sense. Whether he was being deceiving or not I don't know. He claimed our support for Israel actually hurts them with their muzzie enemies. Not that they hate them because of American support, we all know they(muzzies) will always hate Israel, and everyone else, whether there is American support or not. The point that he made is that Israel will often hold back from taking aggressive actions because of the wishes and whims of the US leadership. Their deferment to the US does and will hurt them when necessary retaliation or just self defense is needed. This was kind of proven during the Gulf War when Israel did not respond to incoming missiles at the US request. Again, whether he was sincere in this or not I do not know but it is an extremely valid point.
With all that said, even though I support many of his domestic issues, I can never support a candidate who is totally naive when it comes to islam. The problem with this is I still do not have a candidate. After seeing the debate last night I am even more disappointed, as every one of them that mentioned islam all had the usual disclaimers,(a small minority, hijackers of religion, etc.).
Huckabee? I must be missing something here. I have absolutely no confidence in him.
Let em all in McCain, can't make up my mind Romney, muslim apologist staffers Thompson, domestically liberal Rudy, I don't know why I'm here Richardson, populist in a mansion Edwards, satanic Clinton and Obama the muslim.
This country is in deep trouble.
SerbChicago, I will listen to what Chaim has to say just as anyone else here will but to vote for someone just because he tells you to, or to vote for anyone just because someone, anyone, tells you to, is very frightening. This is a big resaon we are in the mess we are in, too many people do not think for themselves.
As for Paul being a nazi or not, honestly I would not know, it seems many here seem to believe so. If there are reasons to back this claim up then I guess he might be. If the reason is just because he was seen in a photo with some neo-nazi or was sent contributions from such a group is not really a valid argument. The black man in Long Island that shot a white teen who was at his house with a small mob looking to do harm to his son and then shot and killed the white teen in a scuffle was just convicted for murder is having his conviction protested by black groups such as NOI and Al Sharpton. As hard as it is for me to say this, in this instance, NOI and Sharpton are right. I would have done the same thing in a similar situation. Does that make me a NOI member or a sharpton supporter?
OK, before I get attacked here I am in no way defending Ron Paul, his idiotic view on our islamic enemies is enough to turn me off even if he was right on every other single issue, I am just trying to make a few points that I was not sure were being made here.
listen to me i know in my guts that you are rons man.first i have look all candidates and i am greatly invalved in this issues and i have to agree with mr.chaim that ron is a disaster for america,europe,middle east and whole world with his opinions about forigen policys even one domestic!just people,like your self,think that we follow like sheep,but you self youare free thinker ( in my opinion like paul).aren't you the one that is on wrong side of street?aren't you the one who think like liberal(ron paul is ultimatly liberal,it just apear to happend that he have R next to his name,just like mc'caine)?i am member of family reasrch program(i don't kno have you heard from them,but if you didn't google them and you will find out that they support republicans,pro-life,pro-marredge,pro-israel and they are evangelical organizacion)and they have run a poll and in first lace was mitt romney second was huckabee.3.we are(as jtf)movement,just like political party and if our president(mr.chaim)says that JTF supports huckabee,then that is it!we can not have as a movement diferences among our self,becose of that we will faul a part with in!!!!!!!i don't know do you know that Iowa is a evangelical state and thet is a reason why huckabee won,romney second!he is a pastor,don't you think that would save america from liberals,hollywood and gay activist?!most of people belive in G-d(in G-d we trust)and this is our man(for jews and like my self orthodox).4.JTF is only organization who is trying to save my country(save kosovo forum)and if mr.chaim says huckabee(i think he is more wiseer than you in this matter,him self is invalved in this greatly) then i am for him too.5. and most of us are for huckabee and who are you to tell me something!how old are you anyway?!6.i am listener of radio talk show savage nation(michael savage,whohim self is a jew and support my contry)and he is for romney,so in any case all people i support are for huckabee or romney,so if any of them wins i didn't loose!6.if you wont to be JTF-er this is the time to get in this wagone of ours or you will be left on station strangled with others just like Ron paul of yours and others lierals as michae savage says LIBERALIZAM IS A MENTAL DISORDER and my friend my diagnose is you got it!!!!!! that is all from me!p.s.some of this shoul open mind to Daniel too!
Wow, you have obviously greatly misunderstood everything I have said.
1. I am not a Paul supporter, not by a long shot. I was a Tancredo supporter and know I am not very satisfied with any of the candidates. I thought I made that clear. I almost hurt myself laughing being called a liberal as anyone that knows me will know how amusing that is. Believe me, you gut is lying to you.
2. Yes, I have heard of the Family Research council, I have also listened to and read Michael Savage. I have also heard of and listened to many other organizations and people. I guess I am only supposed to listen to the ones that you deemed qualified?
3. Republican only because they have an R next to their name. I couldn't agree more, not only Paul but just about every Republican today. Go visit loyalistparty.com and see how much of a liberal letter R republican I am according to you.
4. Just so you know, I am also very involved, have been for over 30 years. I am also betting I am older than you, just a hunch.
5. I never told you what to do. In fact, just the opposite, I was stating that people should not automatically do what someone else tells them to without doing their own investigation first, no matter who is telling you to do it.
6. Huckabee will save us from gay activists, hollywood, etc. because he is a pastor? Wasn't Carter considered a very holy man? He did a whole lot of good, didn't he? Just because someone is, or isn't, a pastor/preacher/reverend, rabbi, etc. is not a reason I support or not support someone.
7. Maybe JTF is the only forum trying to save "your" country of Kosovo, and I wish them and Kosovo luck. My country is the USA and has been my families country for many many generations and that is the country I am most concerned with saving.
8. As for getting on the wagon as you call it, the only wagon I am on is the one that is headed for what is best for America. That includes a muslim exclusion act, declassifying islam as a religion, securing our borders, preserving our second amendment rights, true choice in education, death penalty for murderers and pedophiles, penalties for those who hire and or rent to illegal aliens, English as the official language of the land, rebuilding our military and treating them with the respect they deserve, ending affirmative action, lowering taxes, drilling in ANWR and so much more. I guess this makes me a liberal according to you because I do not like the same candidate you do. I am sure I have also been way more involved in the last 30 years than you have so "who are you to tell me something"!
9.I am still pretty amused here at being called a liberal. My diagnosis is that you are actually more of a nazi that you claim Ron Paul to be, who let me make this perfectly clear, I will never support because of his idiotic views on our islamic enemies, because you cannot bear to have anyone not to totally agree with everything you say.
10. Now, if you want to vote for Huckabee because Chaim tells you to, go ahead, that is your right. I will vote for the best candidate of what is available, it might be Huckabee, it might not, it won't be Paul.
11. I am not sure of what movement you are referring to. The only movement I am concerned with is the movement to secure a free,secure, islamic free and constitutional America for my children and their children's future. If the JTF movement is in line with this I support it, if not, I won't.
12. You should try not to assume you know someone when you obviously don't have a clue, just becasue they don't agree with everything you say.
13. Now forget about Daniel, hopefully this will open your mind, but somehow I seriously doubt it.
Chaim leaves it open and recommends we go for Huckabee. I like huckabee and guiliani..at this point, i want there to be a two way race between Huck and rudy...that way, whomever wins, there will be less of a dissapointment. I'm choosing a strong leader, one who is very eliminating oil or attempting to do it. The second is i'm goign for the one who will fight back against the Arabs and Muslims. Huck and Guiliani seem to be the best two in that dept even though they are quiet terrible..That being said, the other candidates are much worse!
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After the abandonment of Tancredo I was without a candidate so I looked much deeper into the rest, including Paul.
I actually can support many of his domestic issues but he is so far off base with islam it is scary. The thought that US foreign policy is what causes muslims to hate us is beyond absurd. Another politician who obviously never read the quran or hadiths. I guess it was our foreign policy back in the early 1800's that caused those upset muslims to enslave American merchants in the Barbary states that the US marines were created for to go rescue. I do agree we should not be involved in any nation building other than our own, and yes, this even includes allies.
I would even welcome getting the hell out of all their cesspool countries, on the condition that they all get the hell out of ours.
He(Paul) did say something that made sense. Whether he was being deceiving or not I don't know. He claimed our support for Israel actually hurts them with their muzzie enemies. Not that they hate them because of American support, we all know they(muzzies) will always hate Israel, and everyone else, whether there is American support or not. The point that he made is that Israel will often hold back from taking aggressive actions because of the wishes and whims of the US leadership. Their deferment to the US does and will hurt them when necessary retaliation or just self defense is needed. This was kind of proven during the Gulf War when Israel did not respond to incoming missiles at the US request. Again, whether he was sincere in this or not I do not know but it is an extremely valid point.
With all that said, even though I support many of his domestic issues, I can never support a candidate who is totally naive when it comes to islam. The problem with this is I still do not have a candidate. After seeing the debate last night I am even more disappointed, as every one of them that mentioned islam all had the usual disclaimers,(a small minority, hijackers of religion, etc.).
Huckabee? I must be missing something here. I have absolutely no confidence in him.
Let em all in McCain, can't make up my mind Romney, muslim apologist staffers Thompson, domestically liberal Rudy, I don't know why I'm here Richardson, populist in a mansion Edwards, satanic Clinton and Obama the muslim.
This country is in deep trouble.
SerbChicago, I will listen to what Chaim has to say just as anyone else here will but to vote for someone just because he tells you to, or to vote for anyone just because someone, anyone, tells you to, is very frightening. This is a big resaon we are in the mess we are in, too many people do not think for themselves.
As for Paul being a nazi or not, honestly I would not know, it seems many here seem to believe so. If there are reasons to back this claim up then I guess he might be. If the reason is just because he was seen in a photo with some neo-nazi or was sent contributions from such a group is not really a valid argument. The black man in Long Island that shot a white teen who was at his house with a small mob looking to do harm to his son and then shot and killed the white teen in a scuffle was just convicted for murder is having his conviction protested by black groups such as NOI and Al Sharpton. As hard as it is for me to say this, in this instance, NOI and Sharpton are right. I would have done the same thing in a similar situation. Does that make me a NOI member or a sharpton supporter?
OK, before I get attacked here I am in no way defending Ron Paul, his idiotic view on our islamic enemies is enough to turn me off even if he was right on every other single issue, I am just trying to make a few points that I was not sure were being made here.
listen to me i know in my guts that you are rons man.first i have look all candidates and i am greatly invalved in this issues and i have to agree with mr.chaim that ron is a disaster for america,europe,middle east and whole world with his opinions about forigen policys even one domestic!just people,like your self,think that we follow like sheep,but you self youare free thinker ( in my opinion like paul).aren't you the one that is on wrong side of street?aren't you the one who think like liberal(ron paul is ultimatly liberal,it just apear to happend that he have R next to his name,just like mc'caine)?i am member of family reasrch program(i don't kno have you heard from them,but if you didn't google them and you will find out that they support republicans,pro-life,pro-marredge,pro-israel and they are evangelical organizacion)and they have run a poll and in first lace was mitt romney second was huckabee.3.we are(as jtf)movement,just like political party and if our president(mr.chaim)says that JTF supports huckabee,then that is it!we can not have as a movement diferences among our self,becose of that we will faul a part with in!!!!!!!i don't know do you know that Iowa is a evangelical state and thet is a reason why huckabee won,romney second!he is a pastor,don't you think that would save america from liberals,hollywood and gay activist?!most of people belive in G-d(in G-d we trust)and this is our man(for jews and like my self orthodox).4.JTF is only organization who is trying to save my country(save kosovo forum)and if mr.chaim says huckabee(i think he is more wiseer than you in this matter,him self is invalved in this greatly) then i am for him too.5. and most of us are for huckabee and who are you to tell me something!how old are you anyway?!6.i am listener of radio talk show savage nation(michael savage,whohim self is a jew and support my contry)and he is for romney,so in any case all people i support are for huckabee or romney,so if any of them wins i didn't loose!6.if you wont to be JTF-er this is the time to get in this wagone of ours or you will be left on station strangled with others just like Ron paul of yours and others lierals as michae savage says LIBERALIZAM IS A MENTAL DISORDER and my friend my diagnose is you got it!!!!!! that is all from me!p.s.some of this shoul open mind to Daniel too!
Wow, you have obviously greatly misunderstood everything I have said.
1. I am not a Paul supporter, not by a long shot. I was a Tancredo supporter and know I am not very satisfied with any of the candidates. I thought I made that clear. I almost hurt myself laughing being called a liberal as anyone that knows me will know how amusing that is. Believe me, you gut is lying to you.
2. Yes, I have heard of the Family Research council, I have also listened to and read Michael Savage. I have also heard of and listened to many other organizations and people. I guess I am only supposed to listen to the ones that you deemed qualified?
3. Republican only because they have an R next to their name. I couldn't agree more, not only Paul but just about every Republican today. Go visit loyalistparty.com and see how much of a liberal letter R republican I am according to you.
4. Just so you know, I am also very involved, have been for over 30 years. I am also betting I am older than you, just a hunch.
5. I never told you what to do. In fact, just the opposite, I was stating that people should not automatically do what someone else tells them to without doing their own investigation first, no matter who is telling you to do it.
6. Huckabee will save us from gay activists, hollywood, etc. because he is a pastor? Wasn't Carter considered a very holy man? He did a whole lot of good, didn't he? Just because someone is, or isn't, a pastor/preacher/reverend, rabbi, etc. is not a reason I support or not support someone.
7. Maybe JTF is the only forum trying to save "your" country of Kosovo, and I wish them and Kosovo luck. My country is the USA and has been my families country for many many generations and that is the country I am most concerned with saving.
8. As for getting on the wagon as you call it, the only wagon I am on is the one that is headed for what is best for America. That includes a muslim exclusion act, declassifying islam as a religion, securing our borders, preserving our second amendment rights, true choice in education, death penalty for murderers and pedophiles, penalties for those who hire and or rent to illegal aliens, English as the official language of the land, rebuilding our military and treating them with the respect they deserve, ending affirmative action, lowering taxes, drilling in ANWR and so much more. I guess this makes me a liberal according to you because I do not like the same candidate you do. I am sure I have also been way more involved in the last 30 years than you have so "who are you to tell me something"!
9.I am still pretty amused here at being called a liberal. My diagnosis is that you are actually more of a nazi that you claim Ron Paul to be, who let me make this perfectly clear, I will never support because of his idiotic views on our islamic enemies, because you cannot bear to have anyone not to totally agree with everything you say.
10. Now, if you want to vote for Huckabee because Chaim tells you to, go ahead, that is your right. I will vote for the best candidate of what is available, it might be Huckabee, it might not, it won't be Paul.
11. I am not sure of what movement you are referring to. The only movement I am concerned with is the movement to secure a free,secure, islamic free and constitutional America for my children and their children's future. If the JTF movement is in line with this I support it, if not, I won't.
12. You should try not to assume you know someone when you obviously don't have a clue, just becasue they don't agree with everything you say.
13. Now forget about Daniel, hopefully this will open your mind, but somehow I seriously doubt it.
AND AFTER ALL YOU JUST SAD YOU STILL THINKING YOU NEED MORE PRUVE THAT RON IS NOT A NAZI,AND YOU CALLING ME A NAZI?I GUESS THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING OLDER THEY LOOSE CONTACT WITH REALITY!YOU SAD IT YOUR SELF YOU CAN SUPPORT MANY OF HIS DOMESTIC ISSUES!WELL YOU WILL LOOSE ALL OF YOUR STANDS THAT YOU HAVE JUST LISTED WITH RON!WHY ARE YOU HERE ANYWAY?YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT MR.CHAIM(AS PRESIDENT)SAYS,YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT OTHER JTF MEMBERS SAYS,WHY ARE YOU HERE THAN?!WRONG SIDE OF STREET MY FRIND, YOU ARE ON WRONG SIDE OF STREET!
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I feel Rudy is the best choice on what we got to defeat the Democrats. As far as RuPaul goes, he is the scum of the Earth that blamed the death of 3000 Americans on September 11 to the United States cause of our so called policies in the Mid East?? He is giving Muslim barbarians then a free pass and saying we are the ones that killed our own? And also in the same blaming our alliance with Israel on combating Islamic terror? And you say what is wrong with RuPaul?? Anyone who gives a free pass to the Muslims and wants to pretend that is nothing wrong with Iran and that they can build their nukes and be a vile threat to the west? And you say in the subject what is wrong with RuPaul? There is plenty wrong with him. He is actually worst then McCain believe it or not. He is sick, his cult is sick, he excepts fundings from StørmFrønt and pretend he didn't know but won't return it either.
Sick Nazi Muzzie loving Scum thats whats wrong with him.
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Being antiwar does not mean he won't take action against Terrorists. I guess you would construe Bush's war on Iraq leftism, as it is an unnecessary war that is costing us much money, essentially a giant government program, which is leftist.
What's wrong with the word "neo-con"? They are actual people who have royally wrecked this country.
It's wrong because he blames it on Jews. He uses Neo-Con as a code word for Jews.
Can you back that up? That's as conspiracy theoryesqe as the truther's. There are actual neocons, some who are Jews, some who are not. It's funny Ambiortix calls him a leftist, when neoconservatism, according to Michael Lind, in fact has its roots in Leftism.
Ron Paul, in his article "Neo-Conned" claims that neocons unconditionally support the Likud Party. That exposes the fact that he uses "neocons" as code words for Jews. Just as well, it is absurd to connect neoconservativsm with lenninism and bolshevism (which is what many Buchananites and others claim today). Of course the neocons are anti-Israel, and support the pro-democracy policies of Woodrow Wilson, but to somehow connect that with lenninism and bolshevism is absurd.
It is stupid of him to equate neocons with leninists and to say that the neocons support the Likud. But that still doesn't prove he's using neocons as a code for Jews..I need more proof..I'm almost there guys
I personally don't think there's enough evidence that his use of the word "Neocons" is a code word for Jews. But I do suspect that his use of "Neocons" is more likely a code word for Zionists. Keep in mind, Zionists doesn't necessarily refer to Jews and many non-Jews are stronger Zionists than many Jews. So I think that it might be more accurate to state that Paul is more Anti-zionist than he is anti-Jewish.
I don't know what anti he is however he just has this obsolete fortress America concept that can't work in todays world. Add to that he has socialist notions that border on total redistribution of the wealth. All he kept saying last night is if America didn't fight wars there would be money for social programs.
I partially agree with him on this statement. If America doesn't fight unnecessary wars, there would be more money to take care of America. But that money shouldn't go for social programs that don't work. The money should be used to fight our own internal wars that we have right here in this country like illegal immigration. A fraction of the money that we've spent of Iraq could have easily paid to erect a fence and throw out all the illegals.
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I feel Rudy is the best choice on what we got to defeat the Democrats. As far as RuPaul goes, he is the scum of the Earth that blamed the death of 3000 Americans on September 11 to the United States cause of our so called policies in the Mid East?? He is giving Muslim barbarians then a free pass and saying we are the ones that killed our own? And also in the same blaming our alliance with Israel on combating Islamic terror? And you say what is wrong with RuPaul?? Anyone who gives a free pass to the Muslims and wants to pretend that is nothing wrong with Iran and that they can build their nukes and be a vile threat to the west? And you say in the subject what is wrong with RuPaul? There is plenty wrong with him. He is actually worst then McCain believe it or not. He is sick, his cult is sick, he excepts fundings from StørmFrønt and pretend he didn't know but won't return it either.
Sick Nazi Muzzie loving Scum thats whats wrong with him.
"He is sick, his cult is sick, he excepts fundings from StørmFrønt and pretend he didn't know but won't return it either."
That's what is definitely Nazi about it him, that and also this secret code word "neo-con" and his Nazi supporters! >:(
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There is nothing wrong with Ron Paul. He is absolutely the BEST and ONLY choice for President for any THINKING person to even consider. Chaim is out of his mind, foaming at the mouth crazy- a total lunatic who spent time in Federal Prison because he's a terrorist. In addition, when it comes to Ron Paul, he has about a much discernment as a flea!
Our country is being intentionally deconstructed and forced into a North American Union Dictatorship thats being modelled after the EU Dictatorship, and Ron Paul is the only candidate who opposes this. The EU was originally conceived by the Nazi High Command during the waning hours of WW2 as a long range means for Germany to get the control of Europe that had eluded them militarily via economic and political means. Germany and France politically dominate the EU Parliament. For some historical perspective on the EU Dictatorship which the North American Union Dictatorship is being modelled on (and which is being foisted off on us under the false pretense that we "NEED" it to "protect us from terrorists, watch THE REAL FACE OF THE EU: http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/videos/EuropeanUnion.html
The NAU is being foisted off on us by the same people who created the EU, and the Neocons are directly behind the effort along with the Council on Foreign Relations which published a white paper titled "Building the North American Community."
By opposing Ron Paul, Chaim has shown his true colors. He is a Nazi, a Neocon supporter, a Zionist swine who is in league with those who seek to microchip us all. Watch Alex Jones Film END GAME: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261
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There is nothing wrong with Ron Paul. He is absolutely the BEST and ONLY choice for President for any THINKING person to even consider. Chaim is out of his mind, foaming at the mouth crazy- a total lunatic who spent time in Federal Prison because he's a terrorist. In addition, when it comes to Ron Paul, he has about a much discernment as a flea!
Our country is being intentionally deconstructed and forced into a North American Union Dictatorship thats being modelled after the EU Dictatorship, and Ron Paul is the only candidate who opposes this. The EU was originally conceived by the Nazi High Command during the waning hours of WW2 as a long range means for Germany to get the control of Europe that had eluded them militarily via economic and political means. Germany and France politically dominate the EU Parliament. For some historical perspective on the EU Dictatorship which the North American Union Dictatorship is being modelled on (and which is being foisted off on us under the false pretense that we "NEED" it to "protect us from terrorists, watch THE REAL FACE OF THE EU: http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/videos/EuropeanUnion.html
The NAU is being foisted off on us by the same people who created the EU, and the Neocons are directly behind the effort along with the Council on Foreign Relations which published a white paper titled "Building the North American Community."
By opposing Ron Paul, Chaim has shown his true colors. He is a Nazi, a Neocon supporter, a Zionist swine who is in league with those who seek to microchip us all. Watch Alex Jones Film END GAME: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261
Wrong! >:(
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Do you have any REASONS for saying I'm wrong? Sorry, but its an inconvenient TRUTH that Chaim is a terrorist, and theres just no way around it: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/browse_thread/thread/9449587237e129ae
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:29:57 -0500
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Subject: Violent, racist [censored] Chaim Ben Pesach and the Jewish Task Force
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JTF Chairman Chaim Ben Pesach.....was JDL Chairman in The 1980's and lead a
successful bombing campaign .....
In 2001, the FBI called the Jewish Defense League (JDL), "a violent
extremist Jewish organization."
A message to JTF members from a Jewish racist extremist woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL8HscudcKo&feature=related
http://forum.kahane.org/index.php?topic=1520.0;wap2
Chaim Ben Pesach was born on Tuesday, 21 Tevet, 5717, December 25, 1956. In
1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually
became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in
December, 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an
effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his
release and upon the completion of his probation in July, 1983, he rejoined
JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to
influence the USSR to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed
Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance
at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL
Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six
bombings and was sentenced to 10 years but served five and a half before
being released on probation. According to Chaim, while he was in jail, he
became very thin because they wouldn't give him any kosher food until
Republican Senator Jesse Helms intervened on his behalf. Upon his release in
1991, he started JTF.
Chaim is banned from entering Israel because of his support of the late
Rabbi Meir Kahane's Kach Party, which has been outlawed in Israel. In 1996,
he tried to emigrate to Israel, but was immediately detained at Ben-Gurion
International Airport upon his arrival, and was placed in administrative
detention in a cell in the airport. He was not allowed to speak to an
attorney nor an American Embassy official, despite the fact that he is an
American citizen. He was subsequently deported to the U.S., where he now
lives in the New York metropolitan area.
Chaim is an Orthodox Jew. He is the son of an Ashkenazic Jewish father,
Pesach Ben Dov, and an Egyptian Sefardic Jewish mother, Malkah Bat Meir.
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That's just BS. He's not a TerroriSSt! >:(
First off, he didn't kill anyone! >:(
Anyways, he did what was righteous, if I had the power I would also bomb the traitors to free the Jews! O0
I respect someone for doing that, very powerful O0
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A few gentiles and a few jews acted on their own initiative to get involved in the Bush administration. Gentiles and Jews shouldn't be collectively blamed, is Paul doing this? I don't see him doing it. By using the term neo-con, Paul is blaming neither Jews nor Gentiles, he's instead blaming a small group of elite leaders.
I hate to break the bad news, but some of the neo-cons at the top were indeed atheistic non-orthodox Jews. As long as Paul doesn't collectively blame the Jewish people, but only blames those who were involved, I don't see how he's at fault. Of course it would be ridiculous to say that there are not also gentile neo-cons.
As far as I know, Paul has never came out and said there were no gentile neo-cons, or that every single Jew is a neo-con. If he's stating that some people in the Bush administration happened to be Jewish, then I don't see the error. The problem is that they are liberal, the Gentiles too, it has nothing to do with them being Jewish.
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I hate to break the bad news, but some of the neo-cons at the top were indeed atheistic non-orthodox Jews. As long as Paul doesn't collectively blame the Jewish people, but only blames those who were involved, I don't see how he's at fault.
Well, that doesn't surpise me. ;)
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The sane sensible stance on this issue is to blame the leaders, Jewish or Gentile, who were involved in the administration. Its insane to blame all Jews, its also insane to defend whatever jews were in the administration. One position is ultra-aggressive, the other is ultra-defensive. Both are insane.
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Do you have any REASONS for saying I'm wrong? Sorry, but its an inconvenient TRUTH that Chaim is a terrorist, and theres just no way around it: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/browse_thread/thread/9449587237e129ae
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Subject: Violent, racist moron Chaim Ben Pesach and the Jewish Task Force
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JTF Chairman Chaim Ben Pesach.....was JDL Chairman in The 1980's and lead a
successful bombing campaign .....
In 2001, the FBI called the Jewish Defense League (JDL), "a violent
extremist Jewish organization."
A message to JTF members from a Jewish racist extremist woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL8HscudcKo&feature=related
http://forum.kahane.org/index.php?topic=1520.0;wap2
Chaim Ben Pesach was born on Tuesday, 21 Tevet, 5717, December 25, 1956. In
1971, at the age of 14, he joined the Jewish Defense League. He eventually
became the JDL National Chairman in September 1978. He had to step down in
December, 1978 after he went to jail for bombing Egyptian targets in an
effort to stop the Israeli retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. After his
release and upon the completion of his probation in July, 1983, he rejoined
JDL. In 1984, he eventually became Chairman again and, in an effort to
influence the USSR to allow Jewish emigration, in the 1980s, he bombed
Soviet diplomatic targets in New York and tear-gassed a ballet performance
at Lincoln Center that featured Soviet performers. He continued as JDL
Chairman until his arrest in 1987. He pleaded guilty in connection with six
bombings and was sentenced to 10 years but served five and a half before
being released on probation. According to Chaim, while he was in jail, he
became very thin because they wouldn't give him any kosher food until
Republican Senator Jesse Helms intervened on his behalf. Upon his release in
1991, he started JTF.
Chaim is banned from entering Israel because of his support of the late
Rabbi Meir Kahane's Kach Party, which has been outlawed in Israel. In 1996,
he tried to emigrate to Israel, but was immediately detained at Ben-Gurion
International Airport upon his arrival, and was placed in administrative
detention in a cell in the airport. He was not allowed to speak to an
attorney nor an American Embassy official, despite the fact that he is an
American citizen. He was subsequently deported to the U.S., where he now
lives in the New York metropolitan area.
Chaim is an Orthodox Jew. He is the son of an Ashkenazic Jewish father,
Pesach Ben Dov, and an Egyptian Sefardic Jewish mother, Malkah Bat Meir.
lunetic don't ask me why becose you allready know the answer!
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1) He is supported overly by SF shitlerites. so he can't be any good.
2) He's weak on foreign policy, immigration and Islamic terrorism he's paleocon isolationism is as stupid as neocon democratic imperialism.
3) He's not gonna win anyway so supporting and voting him is waste of time and money. Even if he'll win the democratic congress won't allow him to do anything positive (ie. do some pro contitution changes).
Besides that he's just perfect... ::)
Paleocons and neocons are just two wings of republican party the isolationists and wilsonians, it has nothing to do with Jews or codewords.
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There is nothing wrong with Ron Paul. He is absolutely the BEST and ONLY choice for President for any THINKING person to even consider. Chaim is out of his mind, foaming at the mouth crazy- a total lunatic who spent time in Federal Prison because he's a terrorist. In addition, when it comes to Ron Paul, he has about a much discernment as a flea!
Our country is being intentionally deconstructed and forced into a North American Union Dictatorship thats being modelled after the EU Dictatorship, and Ron Paul is the only candidate who opposes this. The EU was originally conceived by the Nazi High Command during the waning hours of WW2 as a long range means for Germany to get the control of Europe that had eluded them militarily via economic and political means. Germany and France politically dominate the EU Parliament. For some historical perspective on the EU Dictatorship which the North American Union Dictatorship is being modelled on (and which is being foisted off on us under the false pretense that we "NEED" it to "protect us from terrorists, watch THE REAL FACE OF THE EU: http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/videos/EuropeanUnion.html
The NAU is being foisted off on us by the same people who created the EU, and the Neocons are directly behind the effort along with the Council on Foreign Relations which published a white paper titled "Building the North American Community."
By opposing Ron Paul, Chaim has shown his true colors. He is a Nazi, a Neocon supporter, a Zionist swine who is in league with those who seek to microchip us all. Watch Alex Jones Film END GAME: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261
YOU HAVE NO PLACE HERE AT JTF!!
GET OUT!!
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Nopharma is calling our moderator ~*Mills*~ a << Jewish racist extremist woman. >>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL8HscudcKo&feature=related
and calls Chaim a 666 - microchip-planter-friend , a zionist swine, a nazi, a neocon-supporter ....
and links him to Bilderberger-conspiracies...
Nopharma is a Jew-hater and must be banned!
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Nopharma is calling our moderator ~*Mills*~ a << Jewish racist extremist woman. >>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL8HscudcKo&feature=related
and calls Chaim a 666 - microchip-planter-friend , a zionist swine, a nazi, a neocon-supporter ....
and links him to Bilderberger-conspiracies...
Nopharma is a Jew-hater and must be banned!
He's also a BolsheviKKK Troll! >:(
Ban this Trollitarian piece of garbage! >:(
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Nopharma is calling our moderator ~*Mills*~ a << Jewish racist extremist woman. >>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL8HscudcKo&feature=related
and calls Chaim a 666 - microchip-planter-friend , a zionist swine, a nazi, a neocon-supporter ....
and links him to Bilderberger-conspiracies...
Nopharma is a Jew-hater and must be banned!
He's also a BolsheviKKK Troll! >:(
Ban this Trollitarian piece of garbage! >:(
TROLLITARIAN!! ;D :D
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After the abandonment of Tancredo I was without a candidate so I looked much deeper into the rest, including Paul.
I actually can support many of his domestic issues but he is so far off base with islam it is scary. The thought that US foreign policy is what causes muslims to hate us is beyond absurd. Another politician who obviously never read the quran or hadiths. I guess it was our foreign policy back in the early 1800's that caused those upset muslims to enslave American merchants in the Barbary states that the US marines were created for to go rescue. I do agree we should not be involved in any nation building other than our own, and yes, this even includes allies.
I would even welcome getting the hell out of all their cesspool countries, on the condition that they all get the hell out of ours.
He(Paul) did say something that made sense. Whether he was being deceiving or not I don't know. He claimed our support for Israel actually hurts them with their muzzie enemies. Not that they hate them because of American support, we all know they(muzzies) will always hate Israel, and everyone else, whether there is American support or not. The point that he made is that Israel will often hold back from taking aggressive actions because of the wishes and whims of the US leadership. Their deferment to the US does and will hurt them when necessary retaliation or just self defense is needed. This was kind of proven during the Gulf War when Israel did not respond to incoming missiles at the US request. Again, whether he was sincere in this or not I do not know but it is an extremely valid point.
With all that said, even though I support many of his domestic issues, I can never support a candidate who is totally naive when it comes to islam. The problem with this is I still do not have a candidate. After seeing the debate last night I am even more disappointed, as every one of them that mentioned islam all had the usual disclaimers,(a small minority, hijackers of religion, etc.).
Huckabee? I must be missing something here. I have absolutely no confidence in him.
Let em all in McCain, can't make up my mind Romney, muslim apologist staffers Thompson, domestically liberal Rudy, I don't know why I'm here Richardson, populist in a mansion Edwards, satanic Clinton and Obama the muslim.
This country is in deep trouble.
SerbChicago, I will listen to what Chaim has to say just as anyone else here will but to vote for someone just because he tells you to, or to vote for anyone just because someone, anyone, tells you to, is very frightening. This is a big resaon we are in the mess we are in, too many people do not think for themselves.
As for Paul being a nazi or not, honestly I would not know, it seems many here seem to believe so. If there are reasons to back this claim up then I guess he might be. If the reason is just because he was seen in a photo with some neo-nazi or was sent contributions from such a group is not really a valid argument. The black man in Long Island that shot a white teen who was at his house with a small mob looking to do harm to his son and then shot and killed the white teen in a scuffle was just convicted for murder is having his conviction protested by black groups such as NOI and Al Sharpton. As hard as it is for me to say this, in this instance, NOI and Sharpton are right. I would have done the same thing in a similar situation. Does that make me a NOI member or a sharpton supporter?
OK, before I get attacked here I am in no way defending Ron Paul, his idiotic view on our islamic enemies is enough to turn me off even if he was right on every other single issue, I am just trying to make a few points that I was not sure were being made here.
listen to me i know in my guts that you are rons man.first i have look all candidates and i am greatly invalved in this issues and i have to agree with mr.chaim that ron is a disaster for america,europe,middle east and whole world with his opinions about forigen policys even one domestic!just people,like your self,think that we follow like sheep,but you self youare free thinker ( in my opinion like paul).aren't you the one that is on wrong side of street?aren't you the one who think like liberal(ron paul is ultimatly liberal,it just apear to happend that he have R next to his name,just like mc'caine)?i am member of family reasrch program(i don't kno have you heard from them,but if you didn't google them and you will find out that they support republicans,pro-life,pro-marredge,pro-israel and they are evangelical organizacion)and they have run a poll and in first lace was mitt romney second was huckabee.3.we are(as jtf)movement,just like political party and if our president(mr.chaim)says that JTF supports huckabee,then that is it!we can not have as a movement diferences among our self,becose of that we will faul a part with in!!!!!!!i don't know do you know that Iowa is a evangelical state and thet is a reason why huckabee won,romney second!he is a pastor,don't you think that would save america from liberals,hollywood and gay activist?!most of people belive in G-d(in G-d we trust)and this is our man(for jews and like my self orthodox).4.JTF is only organization who is trying to save my country(save kosovo forum)and if mr.chaim says huckabee(i think he is more wiseer than you in this matter,him self is invalved in this greatly) then i am for him too.5. and most of us are for huckabee and who are you to tell me something!how old are you anyway?!6.i am listener of radio talk show savage nation(michael savage,whohim self is a jew and support my contry)and he is for romney,so in any case all people i support are for huckabee or romney,so if any of them wins i didn't loose!6.if you wont to be JTF-er this is the time to get in this wagone of ours or you will be left on station strangled with others just like Ron paul of yours and others lierals as michae savage says LIBERALIZAM IS A MENTAL DISORDER and my friend my diagnose is you got it!!!!!! that is all from me!p.s.some of this shoul open mind to Daniel too!
Wow, you have obviously greatly misunderstood everything I have said.
1. I am not a Paul supporter, not by a long shot. I was a Tancredo supporter and know I am not very satisfied with any of the candidates. I thought I made that clear. I almost hurt myself laughing being called a liberal as anyone that knows me will know how amusing that is. Believe me, you gut is lying to you.
2. Yes, I have heard of the Family Research council, I have also listened to and read Michael Savage. I have also heard of and listened to many other organizations and people. I guess I am only supposed to listen to the ones that you deemed qualified?
3. Republican only because they have an R next to their name. I couldn't agree more, not only Paul but just about every Republican today. Go visit loyalistparty.com and see how much of a liberal letter R republican I am according to you.
4. Just so you know, I am also very involved, have been for over 30 years. I am also betting I am older than you, just a hunch.
5. I never told you what to do. In fact, just the opposite, I was stating that people should not automatically do what someone else tells them to without doing their own investigation first, no matter who is telling you to do it.
6. Huckabee will save us from gay activists, hollywood, etc. because he is a pastor? Wasn't Carter considered a very holy man? He did a whole lot of good, didn't he? Just because someone is, or isn't, a pastor/preacher/reverend, rabbi, etc. is not a reason I support or not support someone.
7. Maybe JTF is the only forum trying to save "your" country of Kosovo, and I wish them and Kosovo luck. My country is the USA and has been my families country for many many generations and that is the country I am most concerned with saving.
8. As for getting on the wagon as you call it, the only wagon I am on is the one that is headed for what is best for America. That includes a muslim exclusion act, declassifying islam as a religion, securing our borders, preserving our second amendment rights, true choice in education, death penalty for murderers and pedophiles, penalties for those who hire and or rent to illegal aliens, English as the official language of the land, rebuilding our military and treating them with the respect they deserve, ending affirmative action, lowering taxes, drilling in ANWR and so much more. I guess this makes me a liberal according to you because I do not like the same candidate you do. I am sure I have also been way more involved in the last 30 years than you have so "who are you to tell me something"!
9.I am still pretty amused here at being called a liberal. My diagnosis is that you are actually more of a nazi that you claim Ron Paul to be, who let me make this perfectly clear, I will never support because of his idiotic views on our islamic enemies, because you cannot bear to have anyone not to totally agree with everything you say.
10. Now, if you want to vote for Huckabee because Chaim tells you to, go ahead, that is your right. I will vote for the best candidate of what is available, it might be Huckabee, it might not, it won't be Paul.
11. I am not sure of what movement you are referring to. The only movement I am concerned with is the movement to secure a free,secure, islamic free and constitutional America for my children and their children's future. If the JTF movement is in line with this I support it, if not, I won't.
12. You should try not to assume you know someone when you obviously don't have a clue, just becasue they don't agree with everything you say.
13. Now forget about Daniel, hopefully this will open your mind, but somehow I seriously doubt it.
AND AFTER ALL YOU JUST SAD YOU STILL THINKING YOU NEED MORE PRUVE THAT RON IS NOT A NAZI,AND YOU CALLING ME A NAZI?I GUESS THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING OLDER THEY LOOSE CONTACT WITH REALITY!YOU SAD IT YOUR SELF YOU CAN SUPPORT MANY OF HIS DOMESTIC ISSUES!WELL YOU WILL LOOSE ALL OF YOUR STANDS THAT YOU HAVE JUST LISTED WITH RON!WHY ARE YOU HERE ANYWAY?YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT MR.CHAIM(AS PRESIDENT)SAYS,YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT OTHER JTF MEMBERS SAYS,WHY ARE YOU HERE THAN?!WRONG SIDE OF STREET MY FRIND, YOU ARE ON WRONG SIDE OF STREET!
I will try this one last time because it seems I am writing in one language and you are reading in another.
I do not and will not support Ron Paul, most especially because of his idiotic views that we are hated by the islamic world because of our foriegn policies.
I am not comfortable with any other candidate as of yet either because the only one I did support, Tancredo, had dropped out, I am still undecided.
I never disrespected Chaim. I simply stated that I would not vote for someone just because he said so. I would listen to and respect his reasons for his conclusion and take them into consideration, but ultimately I will make my own choice, not quite sure how this is disrespectful.
Yes, Paul is right on some domestic issues. Balanced budget, gold standard, eliminating income tax, fighting the NAU, pro second amendment rights. It is possible for there to be someone you cannot support overall but is right on some issues. This is supposed to make you a liberal? Huckabee is soft on crime and you support him, does this make you a liberal?
I guess stating an opinion other than yours means not liking other JTF members. So anyone that disagrees with you about anything does not belong here and is on "the wrong side of the street" ? After what you just said I am not sure if there is more proof that paul is nazi, he might be, he might not be, but it seems in your case you are supplying plenty of proof.
Why am I here? I have personally met some great JTF members and decided to check out the forum. For the most part, whether in agreement or disagreement, there is intelligent debate here, and also very much humor. I guess there will always be a few exceptions.
I guess at first I was too young to dare even question you, when you realized just the opposite is probably the case I am senile for not agreeing with you. So, make me the same exact age as you, same religion, same gender, same ethnicity, etc. This way we can just discuss what you accuse me of losing touch with, reality.
Now, the reason as I said before i will never support Paul, and am not happy with any candidate, is because they do not get the truth of islam. This reality as you call it, here in NYC I breathed in that reality on 9/11, I went to funerals of family members and friends of that reality, I am living here daily with all the crap of that islamic reality, I worry about my kids being blown up on the subway because of that reality, so don't tell me about reality, and i will go on any damn side of the street that I want.
Now if you still don't understand we are probably more overall in agreement than disagreement and still want to make an arguement of something that does not even exist in reality you will have to continue by yourself because you are obviously missing something here.
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nopharma: "...Chaim has shown his true colors. He is a Nazi, a Neocon supporter, a Zionist swine who is in league with those who seek to microchip us all..."
Well, none of that means that Chaim isn't a nice person!
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nopharma: "...Chaim has shown his true colors. He is a Nazi, a Neocon supporter, a Zionist swine who is in league with those who seek to microchip us all..."
Well, none of that means that Chaim isn't a nice person!
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Do i miss the point , or are you just ironic?
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After the abandonment of Tancredo I was without a candidate so I looked much deeper into the rest, including Paul.
I actually can support many of his domestic issues but he is so far off base with islam it is scary. The thought that US foreign policy is what causes muslims to hate us is beyond absurd. Another politician who obviously never read the quran or hadiths. I guess it was our foreign policy back in the early 1800's that caused those upset muslims to enslave American merchants in the Barbary states that the US marines were created for to go rescue. I do agree we should not be involved in any nation building other than our own, and yes, this even includes allies.
I would even welcome getting the hell out of all their cesspool countries, on the condition that they all get the hell out of ours.
He(Paul) did say something that made sense. Whether he was being deceiving or not I don't know. He claimed our support for Israel actually hurts them with their muzzie enemies. Not that they hate them because of American support, we all know they(muzzies) will always hate Israel, and everyone else, whether there is American support or not. The point that he made is that Israel will often hold back from taking aggressive actions because of the wishes and whims of the US leadership. Their deferment to the US does and will hurt them when necessary retaliation or just self defense is needed. This was kind of proven during the Gulf War when Israel did not respond to incoming missiles at the US request. Again, whether he was sincere in this or not I do not know but it is an extremely valid point.
With all that said, even though I support many of his domestic issues, I can never support a candidate who is totally naive when it comes to islam. The problem with this is I still do not have a candidate. After seeing the debate last night I am even more disappointed, as every one of them that mentioned islam all had the usual disclaimers,(a small minority, hijackers of religion, etc.).
Huckabee? I must be missing something here. I have absolutely no confidence in him.
Let em all in McCain, can't make up my mind Romney, muslim apologist staffers Thompson, domestically liberal Rudy, I don't know why I'm here Richardson, populist in a mansion Edwards, satanic Clinton and Obama the muslim.
This country is in deep trouble.
SerbChicago, I will listen to what Chaim has to say just as anyone else here will but to vote for someone just because he tells you to, or to vote for anyone just because someone, anyone, tells you to, is very frightening. This is a big resaon we are in the mess we are in, too many people do not think for themselves.
As for Paul being a nazi or not, honestly I would not know, it seems many here seem to believe so. If there are reasons to back this claim up then I guess he might be. If the reason is just because he was seen in a photo with some neo-nazi or was sent contributions from such a group is not really a valid argument. The black man in Long Island that shot a white teen who was at his house with a small mob looking to do harm to his son and then shot and killed the white teen in a scuffle was just convicted for murder is having his conviction protested by black groups such as NOI and Al Sharpton. As hard as it is for me to say this, in this instance, NOI and Sharpton are right. I would have done the same thing in a similar situation. Does that make me a NOI member or a sharpton supporter?
OK, before I get attacked here I am in no way defending Ron Paul, his idiotic view on our islamic enemies is enough to turn me off even if he was right on every other single issue, I am just trying to make a few points that I was not sure were being made here.
listen to me i know in my guts that you are rons man.first i have look all candidates and i am greatly invalved in this issues and i have to agree with mr.chaim that ron is a disaster for america,europe,middle east and whole world with his opinions about forigen policys even one domestic!just people,like your self,think that we follow like sheep,but you self youare free thinker ( in my opinion like paul).aren't you the one that is on wrong side of street?aren't you the one who think like liberal(ron paul is ultimatly liberal,it just apear to happend that he have R next to his name,just like mc'caine)?i am member of family reasrch program(i don't kno have you heard from them,but if you didn't google them and you will find out that they support republicans,pro-life,pro-marredge,pro-israel and they are evangelical organizacion)and they have run a poll and in first lace was mitt romney second was huckabee.3.we are(as jtf)movement,just like political party and if our president(mr.chaim)says that JTF supports huckabee,then that is it!we can not have as a movement diferences among our self,becose of that we will faul a part with in!!!!!!!i don't know do you know that Iowa is a evangelical state and thet is a reason why huckabee won,romney second!he is a pastor,don't you think that would save america from liberals,hollywood and gay activist?!most of people belive in G-d(in G-d we trust)and this is our man(for jews and like my self orthodox).4.JTF is only organization who is trying to save my country(save kosovo forum)and if mr.chaim says huckabee(i think he is more wiseer than you in this matter,him self is invalved in this greatly) then i am for him too.5. and most of us are for huckabee and who are you to tell me something!how old are you anyway?!6.i am listener of radio talk show savage nation(michael savage,whohim self is a jew and support my contry)and he is for romney,so in any case all people i support are for huckabee or romney,so if any of them wins i didn't loose!6.if you wont to be JTF-er this is the time to get in this wagone of ours or you will be left on station strangled with others just like Ron paul of yours and others lierals as michae savage says LIBERALIZAM IS A MENTAL DISORDER and my friend my diagnose is you got it!!!!!! that is all from me!p.s.some of this shoul open mind to Daniel too!
Wow, you have obviously greatly misunderstood everything I have said.
1. I am not a Paul supporter, not by a long shot. I was a Tancredo supporter and know I am not very satisfied with any of the candidates. I thought I made that clear. I almost hurt myself laughing being called a liberal as anyone that knows me will know how amusing that is. Believe me, you gut is lying to you.
2. Yes, I have heard of the Family Research council, I have also listened to and read Michael Savage. I have also heard of and listened to many other organizations and people. I guess I am only supposed to listen to the ones that you deemed qualified?
3. Republican only because they have an R next to their name. I couldn't agree more, not only Paul but just about every Republican today. Go visit loyalistparty.com and see how much of a liberal letter R republican I am according to you.
4. Just so you know, I am also very involved, have been for over 30 years. I am also betting I am older than you, just a hunch.
5. I never told you what to do. In fact, just the opposite, I was stating that people should not automatically do what someone else tells them to without doing their own investigation first, no matter who is telling you to do it.
6. Huckabee will save us from gay activists, hollywood, etc. because he is a pastor? Wasn't Carter considered a very holy man? He did a whole lot of good, didn't he? Just because someone is, or isn't, a pastor/preacher/reverend, rabbi, etc. is not a reason I support or not support someone.
7. Maybe JTF is the only forum trying to save "your" country of Kosovo, and I wish them and Kosovo luck. My country is the USA and has been my families country for many many generations and that is the country I am most concerned with saving.
8. As for getting on the wagon as you call it, the only wagon I am on is the one that is headed for what is best for America. That includes a muslim exclusion act, declassifying islam as a religion, securing our borders, preserving our second amendment rights, true choice in education, death penalty for murderers and pedophiles, penalties for those who hire and or rent to illegal aliens, English as the official language of the land, rebuilding our military and treating them with the respect they deserve, ending affirmative action, lowering taxes, drilling in ANWR and so much more. I guess this makes me a liberal according to you because I do not like the same candidate you do. I am sure I have also been way more involved in the last 30 years than you have so "who are you to tell me something"!
9.I am still pretty amused here at being called a liberal. My diagnosis is that you are actually more of a nazi that you claim Ron Paul to be, who let me make this perfectly clear, I will never support because of his idiotic views on our islamic enemies, because you cannot bear to have anyone not to totally agree with everything you say.
10. Now, if you want to vote for Huckabee because Chaim tells you to, go ahead, that is your right. I will vote for the best candidate of what is available, it might be Huckabee, it might not, it won't be Paul.
11. I am not sure of what movement you are referring to. The only movement I am concerned with is the movement to secure a free,secure, islamic free and constitutional America for my children and their children's future. If the JTF movement is in line with this I support it, if not, I won't.
12. You should try not to assume you know someone when you obviously don't have a clue, just becasue they don't agree with everything you say.
13. Now forget about Daniel, hopefully this will open your mind, but somehow I seriously doubt it.
AND AFTER ALL YOU JUST SAD YOU STILL THINKING YOU NEED MORE PRUVE THAT RON IS NOT A NAZI,AND YOU CALLING ME A NAZI?I GUESS THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING OLDER THEY LOOSE CONTACT WITH REALITY!YOU SAD IT YOUR SELF YOU CAN SUPPORT MANY OF HIS DOMESTIC ISSUES!WELL YOU WILL LOOSE ALL OF YOUR STANDS THAT YOU HAVE JUST LISTED WITH RON!WHY ARE YOU HERE ANYWAY?YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT MR.CHAIM(AS PRESIDENT)SAYS,YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT OTHER JTF MEMBERS SAYS,WHY ARE YOU HERE THAN?!WRONG SIDE OF STREET MY FRIND, YOU ARE ON WRONG SIDE OF STREET!
I will try this one last time because it seems I am writing in one language and you are reading in another.
I do not and will not support Ron Paul, most especially because of his idiotic views that we are hated by the islamic world because of our foriegn policies.
I am not comfortable with any other candidate as of yet either because the only one I did support, Tancredo, had dropped out, I am still undecided.
I never disrespected Chaim. I simply stated that I would not vote for someone just because he said so. I would listen to and respect his reasons for his conclusion and take them into consideration, but ultimately I will make my own choice, not quite sure how this is disrespectful.
Yes, Paul is right on some domestic issues. Balanced budget, gold standard, eliminating income tax, fighting the NAU, pro second amendment rights. It is possible for there to be someone you cannot support overall but is right on some issues. This is supposed to make you a liberal? Huckabee is soft on crime and you support him, does this make you a liberal?
I guess stating an opinion other than yours means not liking other JTF members. So anyone that disagrees with you about anything does not belong here and is on "the wrong side of the street" ? After what you just said I am not sure if there is more proof that paul is nazi, he might be, he might not be, but it seems in your case you are supplying plenty of proof.
Why am I here? I have personally met some great JTF members and decided to check out the forum. For the most part, whether in agreement or disagreement, there is intelligent debate here, and also very much humor. I guess there will always be a few exceptions.
I guess at first I was too young to dare even question you, when you realized just the opposite is probably the case I am senile for not agreeing with you. So, make me the same exact age as you, same religion, same gender, same ethnicity, etc. This way we can just discuss what you accuse me of losing touch with, reality.
Now, the reason as I said before i will never support Paul, and am not happy with any candidate, is because they do not get the truth of islam. This reality as you call it, here in NYC I breathed in that reality on 9/11, I went to funerals of family members and friends of that reality, I am living here daily with all the crap of that islamic reality, I worry about my kids being blown up on the subway because of that reality, so don't tell me about reality, and i will go on any damn side of the street that I want.
Now if you still don't understand we are probably more overall in agreement than disagreement and still want to make an arguement of something that does not even exist in reality you will have to continue by yourself because you are obviously missing something here.
my iq is 121 so do not insolt my intelegent,ok!i don't support huckabee becose chaim just sad so i find him,in my opinion him and romney,the best candidate!if you think i am some kid you are wrong i am 30 years old,well lett me just say in case you if you say i am older then you,it dosen't make any diference.just becose he have some "good" idea on domestic policys it doesn't make him good candidate for anything when overall he is a nazi (i don't know if you have heard for letter that he wrote,it was on news)antisamatic and raceist.i don't know why you even defending him in first place,that is what raised my flag!i don't want to say anything bad to you(but you did call me a nazi),wish you luck to you and your kids,we disagree on this issue,i am no exeption in any case,just look it up,so havea good time in jtf.
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After the abandonment of Tancredo I was without a candidate so I looked much deeper into the rest, including Paul.
I actually can support many of his domestic issues but he is so far off base with islam it is scary. The thought that US foreign policy is what causes muslims to hate us is beyond absurd. Another politician who obviously never read the quran or hadiths. I guess it was our foreign policy back in the early 1800's that caused those upset muslims to enslave American merchants in the Barbary states that the US marines were created for to go rescue. I do agree we should not be involved in any nation building other than our own, and yes, this even includes allies.
I would even welcome getting the hell out of all their cesspool countries, on the condition that they all get the hell out of ours.
He(Paul) did say something that made sense. Whether he was being deceiving or not I don't know. He claimed our support for Israel actually hurts them with their muzzie enemies. Not that they hate them because of American support, we all know they(muzzies) will always hate Israel, and everyone else, whether there is American support or not. The point that he made is that Israel will often hold back from taking aggressive actions because of the wishes and whims of the US leadership. Their deferment to the US does and will hurt them when necessary retaliation or just self defense is needed. This was kind of proven during the Gulf War when Israel did not respond to incoming missiles at the US request. Again, whether he was sincere in this or not I do not know but it is an extremely valid point.
With all that said, even though I support many of his domestic issues, I can never support a candidate who is totally naive when it comes to islam. The problem with this is I still do not have a candidate. After seeing the debate last night I am even more disappointed, as every one of them that mentioned islam all had the usual disclaimers,(a small minority, hijackers of religion, etc.).
Huckabee? I must be missing something here. I have absolutely no confidence in him.
Let em all in McCain, can't make up my mind Romney, muslim apologist staffers Thompson, domestically liberal Rudy, I don't know why I'm here Richardson, populist in a mansion Edwards, satanic Clinton and Obama the muslim.
This country is in deep trouble.
SerbChicago, I will listen to what Chaim has to say just as anyone else here will but to vote for someone just because he tells you to, or to vote for anyone just because someone, anyone, tells you to, is very frightening. This is a big resaon we are in the mess we are in, too many people do not think for themselves.
As for Paul being a nazi or not, honestly I would not know, it seems many here seem to believe so. If there are reasons to back this claim up then I guess he might be. If the reason is just because he was seen in a photo with some neo-nazi or was sent contributions from such a group is not really a valid argument. The black man in Long Island that shot a white teen who was at his house with a small mob looking to do harm to his son and then shot and killed the white teen in a scuffle was just convicted for murder is having his conviction protested by black groups such as NOI and Al Sharpton. As hard as it is for me to say this, in this instance, NOI and Sharpton are right. I would have done the same thing in a similar situation. Does that make me a NOI member or a sharpton supporter?
OK, before I get attacked here I am in no way defending Ron Paul, his idiotic view on our islamic enemies is enough to turn me off even if he was right on every other single issue, I am just trying to make a few points that I was not sure were being made here.
listen to me i know in my guts that you are rons man.first i have look all candidates and i am greatly invalved in this issues and i have to agree with mr.chaim that ron is a disaster for america,europe,middle east and whole world with his opinions about forigen policys even one domestic!just people,like your self,think that we follow like sheep,but you self youare free thinker ( in my opinion like paul).aren't you the one that is on wrong side of street?aren't you the one who think like liberal(ron paul is ultimatly liberal,it just apear to happend that he have R next to his name,just like mc'caine)?i am member of family reasrch program(i don't kno have you heard from them,but if you didn't google them and you will find out that they support republicans,pro-life,pro-marredge,pro-israel and they are evangelical organizacion)and they have run a poll and in first lace was mitt romney second was huckabee.3.we are(as jtf)movement,just like political party and if our president(mr.chaim)says that JTF supports huckabee,then that is it!we can not have as a movement diferences among our self,becose of that we will faul a part with in!!!!!!!i don't know do you know that Iowa is a evangelical state and thet is a reason why huckabee won,romney second!he is a pastor,don't you think that would save america from liberals,hollywood and gay activist?!most of people belive in G-d(in G-d we trust)and this is our man(for jews and like my self orthodox).4.JTF is only organization who is trying to save my country(save kosovo forum)and if mr.chaim says huckabee(i think he is more wiseer than you in this matter,him self is invalved in this greatly) then i am for him too.5. and most of us are for huckabee and who are you to tell me something!how old are you anyway?!6.i am listener of radio talk show savage nation(michael savage,whohim self is a jew and support my contry)and he is for romney,so in any case all people i support are for huckabee or romney,so if any of them wins i didn't loose!6.if you wont to be JTF-er this is the time to get in this wagone of ours or you will be left on station strangled with others just like Ron paul of yours and others lierals as michae savage says LIBERALIZAM IS A MENTAL DISORDER and my friend my diagnose is you got it!!!!!! that is all from me!p.s.some of this shoul open mind to Daniel too!
Wow, you have obviously greatly misunderstood everything I have said.
1. I am not a Paul supporter, not by a long shot. I was a Tancredo supporter and know I am not very satisfied with any of the candidates. I thought I made that clear. I almost hurt myself laughing being called a liberal as anyone that knows me will know how amusing that is. Believe me, you gut is lying to you.
2. Yes, I have heard of the Family Research council, I have also listened to and read Michael Savage. I have also heard of and listened to many other organizations and people. I guess I am only supposed to listen to the ones that you deemed qualified?
3. Republican only because they have an R next to their name. I couldn't agree more, not only Paul but just about every Republican today. Go visit loyalistparty.com and see how much of a liberal letter R republican I am according to you.
4. Just so you know, I am also very involved, have been for over 30 years. I am also betting I am older than you, just a hunch.
5. I never told you what to do. In fact, just the opposite, I was stating that people should not automatically do what someone else tells them to without doing their own investigation first, no matter who is telling you to do it.
6. Huckabee will save us from gay activists, hollywood, etc. because he is a pastor? Wasn't Carter considered a very holy man? He did a whole lot of good, didn't he? Just because someone is, or isn't, a pastor/preacher/reverend, rabbi, etc. is not a reason I support or not support someone.
7. Maybe JTF is the only forum trying to save "your" country of Kosovo, and I wish them and Kosovo luck. My country is the USA and has been my families country for many many generations and that is the country I am most concerned with saving.
8. As for getting on the wagon as you call it, the only wagon I am on is the one that is headed for what is best for America. That includes a muslim exclusion act, declassifying islam as a religion, securing our borders, preserving our second amendment rights, true choice in education, death penalty for murderers and pedophiles, penalties for those who hire and or rent to illegal aliens, English as the official language of the land, rebuilding our military and treating them with the respect they deserve, ending affirmative action, lowering taxes, drilling in ANWR and so much more. I guess this makes me a liberal according to you because I do not like the same candidate you do. I am sure I have also been way more involved in the last 30 years than you have so "who are you to tell me something"!
9.I am still pretty amused here at being called a liberal. My diagnosis is that you are actually more of a nazi that you claim Ron Paul to be, who let me make this perfectly clear, I will never support because of his idiotic views on our islamic enemies, because you cannot bear to have anyone not to totally agree with everything you say.
10. Now, if you want to vote for Huckabee because Chaim tells you to, go ahead, that is your right. I will vote for the best candidate of what is available, it might be Huckabee, it might not, it won't be Paul.
11. I am not sure of what movement you are referring to. The only movement I am concerned with is the movement to secure a free,secure, islamic free and constitutional America for my children and their children's future. If the JTF movement is in line with this I support it, if not, I won't.
12. You should try not to assume you know someone when you obviously don't have a clue, just becasue they don't agree with everything you say.
13. Now forget about Daniel, hopefully this will open your mind, but somehow I seriously doubt it.
AND AFTER ALL YOU JUST SAD YOU STILL THINKING YOU NEED MORE PRUVE THAT RON IS NOT A NAZI,AND YOU CALLING ME A NAZI?I GUESS THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING OLDER THEY LOOSE CONTACT WITH REALITY!YOU SAD IT YOUR SELF YOU CAN SUPPORT MANY OF HIS DOMESTIC ISSUES!WELL YOU WILL LOOSE ALL OF YOUR STANDS THAT YOU HAVE JUST LISTED WITH RON!WHY ARE YOU HERE ANYWAY?YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT MR.CHAIM(AS PRESIDENT)SAYS,YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT OTHER JTF MEMBERS SAYS,WHY ARE YOU HERE THAN?!WRONG SIDE OF STREET MY FRIND, YOU ARE ON WRONG SIDE OF STREET!
I will try this one last time because it seems I am writing in one language and you are reading in another.
I do not and will not support Ron Paul, most especially because of his idiotic views that we are hated by the islamic world because of our foriegn policies.
I am not comfortable with any other candidate as of yet either because the only one I did support, Tancredo, had dropped out, I am still undecided.
I never disrespected Chaim. I simply stated that I would not vote for someone just because he said so. I would listen to and respect his reasons for his conclusion and take them into consideration, but ultimately I will make my own choice, not quite sure how this is disrespectful.
Yes, Paul is right on some domestic issues. Balanced budget, gold standard, eliminating income tax, fighting the NAU, pro second amendment rights. It is possible for there to be someone you cannot support overall but is right on some issues. This is supposed to make you a liberal? Huckabee is soft on crime and you support him, does this make you a liberal?
I guess stating an opinion other than yours means not liking other JTF members. So anyone that disagrees with you about anything does not belong here and is on "the wrong side of the street" ? After what you just said I am not sure if there is more proof that paul is nazi, he might be, he might not be, but it seems in your case you are supplying plenty of proof.
Why am I here? I have personally met some great JTF members and decided to check out the forum. For the most part, whether in agreement or disagreement, there is intelligent debate here, and also very much humor. I guess there will always be a few exceptions.
I guess at first I was too young to dare even question you, when you realized just the opposite is probably the case I am senile for not agreeing with you. So, make me the same exact age as you, same religion, same gender, same ethnicity, etc. This way we can just discuss what you accuse me of losing touch with, reality.
Now, the reason as I said before i will never support Paul, and am not happy with any candidate, is because they do not get the truth of islam. This reality as you call it, here in NYC I breathed in that reality on 9/11, I went to funerals of family members and friends of that reality, I am living here daily with all the crap of that islamic reality, I worry about my kids being blown up on the subway because of that reality, so don't tell me about reality, and i will go on any damn side of the street that I want.
Now if you still don't understand we are probably more overall in agreement than disagreement and still want to make an arguement of something that does not even exist in reality you will have to continue by yourself because you are obviously missing something here.
my iq is 121 so do not insolt my intelegent,ok!i don't support huckabee becose chaim just sad so i find him,in my opinion him and romney,the best candidate!if you think i am some kid you are wrong i am 30 years old,well lett me just say in case you if you say i am older then you,it dosen't make any diference.just becose he have some "good" idea on domestic policys it doesn't make him good candidate for anything when overall he is a nazi (i don't know if you have heard for letter that he wrote,it was on news)antisamatic and raceist.i don't know why you even defending him in first place,that is what raised my flag!i don't want to say anything bad to you(but you did call me a nazi),wish you luck to you and your kids,we disagree on this issue,i am no exeption in any case,just look it up,so havea good time in jtf.
OK, first I was too young to question you, then I was too senile, you said in your own words that whatever Chaim said was good enough for you. I apologize for calling you a nazi but you were accusing me of a few things also and I guess I am pretty much the same as you in the fact I will not take crap from anyone. Now you say Huckabee or Romney are the best candidates in your opinion. That's fine. I am still undecided and I would love to hear your reasons for this opinion as it could help me decide on a candidate as I am sure there are things I don't know about every candidate, such as the letter that Paul wrote that you mentioned,I don't know about that, what was that? I never defended Paul, if it appeared that way I apologize, but again, just because I cannot support
someone overall does not mean that they cannot be right on some issues. Remember, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
If it matters, I am 49, have not taken any IQ tests lately. I really don't think we disagree, I think we just might have been a little confused as to what each other were trying to say, we are probably more in agreement politically than you might think, we might have slightly different ways of going about things but I think we are on the same side.
Thanks for the good wishes for my kids, they are doing great, one will be going to college next year and good news is coming in every day and one is three years away. Hope all is well with your family.
I do enjoy my time at JTF though my time here is limited due to not getting the computer away from my kids that often and Friday night and Saturday morning when the forum is closed is when I do get a chance to use the computer, I am not Jewish so using the computer then is ok for me.
Now that we figured out in a confusing roundabout way that we are on the same side let's roll up our sleeves and continue fighting the real enemies, islam and liberalism.
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After the abandonment of Tancredo I was without a candidate so I looked much deeper into the rest, including Paul.
I actually can support many of his domestic issues but he is so far off base with islam it is scary. The thought that US foreign policy is what causes muslims to hate us is beyond absurd. Another politician who obviously never read the quran or hadiths. I guess it was our foreign policy back in the early 1800's that caused those upset muslims to enslave American merchants in the Barbary states that the US marines were created for to go rescue. I do agree we should not be involved in any nation building other than our own, and yes, this even includes allies.
I would even welcome getting the hell out of all their cesspool countries, on the condition that they all get the hell out of ours.
He(Paul) did say something that made sense. Whether he was being deceiving or not I don't know. He claimed our support for Israel actually hurts them with their muzzie enemies. Not that they hate them because of American support, we all know they(muzzies) will always hate Israel, and everyone else, whether there is American support or not. The point that he made is that Israel will often hold back from taking aggressive actions because of the wishes and whims of the US leadership. Their deferment to the US does and will hurt them when necessary retaliation or just self defense is needed. This was kind of proven during the Gulf War when Israel did not respond to incoming missiles at the US request. Again, whether he was sincere in this or not I do not know but it is an extremely valid point.
With all that said, even though I support many of his domestic issues, I can never support a candidate who is totally naive when it comes to islam. The problem with this is I still do not have a candidate. After seeing the debate last night I am even more disappointed, as every one of them that mentioned islam all had the usual disclaimers,(a small minority, hijackers of religion, etc.).
Huckabee? I must be missing something here. I have absolutely no confidence in him.
Let em all in McCain, can't make up my mind Romney, muslim apologist staffers Thompson, domestically liberal Rudy, I don't know why I'm here Richardson, populist in a mansion Edwards, satanic Clinton and Obama the muslim.
This country is in deep trouble.
SerbChicago, I will listen to what Chaim has to say just as anyone else here will but to vote for someone just because he tells you to, or to vote for anyone just because someone, anyone, tells you to, is very frightening. This is a big resaon we are in the mess we are in, too many people do not think for themselves.
As for Paul being a nazi or not, honestly I would not know, it seems many here seem to believe so. If there are reasons to back this claim up then I guess he might be. If the reason is just because he was seen in a photo with some neo-nazi or was sent contributions from such a group is not really a valid argument. The black man in Long Island that shot a white teen who was at his house with a small mob looking to do harm to his son and then shot and killed the white teen in a scuffle was just convicted for murder is having his conviction protested by black groups such as NOI and Al Sharpton. As hard as it is for me to say this, in this instance, NOI and Sharpton are right. I would have done the same thing in a similar situation. Does that make me a NOI member or a sharpton supporter?
OK, before I get attacked here I am in no way defending Ron Paul, his idiotic view on our islamic enemies is enough to turn me off even if he was right on every other single issue, I am just trying to make a few points that I was not sure were being made here.
listen to me i know in my guts that you are rons man.first i have look all candidates and i am greatly invalved in this issues and i have to agree with mr.chaim that ron is a disaster for america,europe,middle east and whole world with his opinions about forigen policys even one domestic!just people,like your self,think that we follow like sheep,but you self youare free thinker ( in my opinion like paul).aren't you the one that is on wrong side of street?aren't you the one who think like liberal(ron paul is ultimatly liberal,it just apear to happend that he have R next to his name,just like mc'caine)?i am member of family reasrch program(i don't kno have you heard from them,but if you didn't google them and you will find out that they support republicans,pro-life,pro-marredge,pro-israel and they are evangelical organizacion)and they have run a poll and in first lace was mitt romney second was huckabee.3.we are(as jtf)movement,just like political party and if our president(mr.chaim)says that JTF supports huckabee,then that is it!we can not have as a movement diferences among our self,becose of that we will faul a part with in!!!!!!!i don't know do you know that Iowa is a evangelical state and thet is a reason why huckabee won,romney second!he is a pastor,don't you think that would save america from liberals,hollywood and gay activist?!most of people belive in G-d(in G-d we trust)and this is our man(for jews and like my self orthodox).4.JTF is only organization who is trying to save my country(save kosovo forum)and if mr.chaim says huckabee(i think he is more wiseer than you in this matter,him self is invalved in this greatly) then i am for him too.5. and most of us are for huckabee and who are you to tell me something!how old are you anyway?!6.i am listener of radio talk show savage nation(michael savage,whohim self is a jew and support my contry)and he is for romney,so in any case all people i support are for huckabee or romney,so if any of them wins i didn't loose!6.if you wont to be JTF-er this is the time to get in this wagone of ours or you will be left on station strangled with others just like Ron paul of yours and others lierals as michae savage says LIBERALIZAM IS A MENTAL DISORDER and my friend my diagnose is you got it!!!!!! that is all from me!p.s.some of this shoul open mind to Daniel too!
Wow, you have obviously greatly misunderstood everything I have said.
1. I am not a Paul supporter, not by a long shot. I was a Tancredo supporter and know I am not very satisfied with any of the candidates. I thought I made that clear. I almost hurt myself laughing being called a liberal as anyone that knows me will know how amusing that is. Believe me, you gut is lying to you.
2. Yes, I have heard of the Family Research council, I have also listened to and read Michael Savage. I have also heard of and listened to many other organizations and people. I guess I am only supposed to listen to the ones that you deemed qualified?
3. Republican only because they have an R next to their name. I couldn't agree more, not only Paul but just about every Republican today. Go visit loyalistparty.com and see how much of a liberal letter R republican I am according to you.
4. Just so you know, I am also very involved, have been for over 30 years. I am also betting I am older than you, just a hunch.
5. I never told you what to do. In fact, just the opposite, I was stating that people should not automatically do what someone else tells them to without doing their own investigation first, no matter who is telling you to do it.
6. Huckabee will save us from gay activists, hollywood, etc. because he is a pastor? Wasn't Carter considered a very holy man? He did a whole lot of good, didn't he? Just because someone is, or isn't, a pastor/preacher/reverend, rabbi, etc. is not a reason I support or not support someone.
7. Maybe JTF is the only forum trying to save "your" country of Kosovo, and I wish them and Kosovo luck. My country is the USA and has been my families country for many many generations and that is the country I am most concerned with saving.
8. As for getting on the wagon as you call it, the only wagon I am on is the one that is headed for what is best for America. That includes a muslim exclusion act, declassifying islam as a religion, securing our borders, preserving our second amendment rights, true choice in education, death penalty for murderers and pedophiles, penalties for those who hire and or rent to illegal aliens, English as the official language of the land, rebuilding our military and treating them with the respect they deserve, ending affirmative action, lowering taxes, drilling in ANWR and so much more. I guess this makes me a liberal according to you because I do not like the same candidate you do. I am sure I have also been way more involved in the last 30 years than you have so "who are you to tell me something"!
9.I am still pretty amused here at being called a liberal. My diagnosis is that you are actually more of a nazi that you claim Ron Paul to be, who let me make this perfectly clear, I will never support because of his idiotic views on our islamic enemies, because you cannot bear to have anyone not to totally agree with everything you say.
10. Now, if you want to vote for Huckabee because Chaim tells you to, go ahead, that is your right. I will vote for the best candidate of what is available, it might be Huckabee, it might not, it won't be Paul.
11. I am not sure of what movement you are referring to. The only movement I am concerned with is the movement to secure a free,secure, islamic free and constitutional America for my children and their children's future. If the JTF movement is in line with this I support it, if not, I won't.
12. You should try not to assume you know someone when you obviously don't have a clue, just becasue they don't agree with everything you say.
13. Now forget about Daniel, hopefully this will open your mind, but somehow I seriously doubt it.
AND AFTER ALL YOU JUST SAD YOU STILL THINKING YOU NEED MORE PRUVE THAT RON IS NOT A NAZI,AND YOU CALLING ME A NAZI?I GUESS THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING OLDER THEY LOOSE CONTACT WITH REALITY!YOU SAD IT YOUR SELF YOU CAN SUPPORT MANY OF HIS DOMESTIC ISSUES!WELL YOU WILL LOOSE ALL OF YOUR STANDS THAT YOU HAVE JUST LISTED WITH RON!WHY ARE YOU HERE ANYWAY?YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT MR.CHAIM(AS PRESIDENT)SAYS,YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT OTHER JTF MEMBERS SAYS,WHY ARE YOU HERE THAN?!WRONG SIDE OF STREET MY FRIND, YOU ARE ON WRONG SIDE OF STREET!
I will try this one last time because it seems I am writing in one language and you are reading in another.
I do not and will not support Ron Paul, most especially because of his idiotic views that we are hated by the islamic world because of our foriegn policies.
I am not comfortable with any other candidate as of yet either because the only one I did support, Tancredo, had dropped out, I am still undecided.
I never disrespected Chaim. I simply stated that I would not vote for someone just because he said so. I would listen to and respect his reasons for his conclusion and take them into consideration, but ultimately I will make my own choice, not quite sure how this is disrespectful.
Yes, Paul is right on some domestic issues. Balanced budget, gold standard, eliminating income tax, fighting the NAU, pro second amendment rights. It is possible for there to be someone you cannot support overall but is right on some issues. This is supposed to make you a liberal? Huckabee is soft on crime and you support him, does this make you a liberal?
I guess stating an opinion other than yours means not liking other JTF members. So anyone that disagrees with you about anything does not belong here and is on "the wrong side of the street" ? After what you just said I am not sure if there is more proof that paul is nazi, he might be, he might not be, but it seems in your case you are supplying plenty of proof.
Why am I here? I have personally met some great JTF members and decided to check out the forum. For the most part, whether in agreement or disagreement, there is intelligent debate here, and also very much humor. I guess there will always be a few exceptions.
I guess at first I was too young to dare even question you, when you realized just the opposite is probably the case I am senile for not agreeing with you. So, make me the same exact age as you, same religion, same gender, same ethnicity, etc. This way we can just discuss what you accuse me of losing touch with, reality.
Now, the reason as I said before i will never support Paul, and am not happy with any candidate, is because they do not get the truth of islam. This reality as you call it, here in NYC I breathed in that reality on 9/11, I went to funerals of family members and friends of that reality, I am living here daily with all the crap of that islamic reality, I worry about my kids being blown up on the subway because of that reality, so don't tell me about reality, and i will go on any damn side of the street that I want.
Now if you still don't understand we are probably more overall in agreement than disagreement and still want to make an arguement of something that does not even exist in reality you will have to continue by yourself because you are obviously missing something here.
my iq is 121 so do not insolt my intelegent,ok!i don't support huckabee becose chaim just sad so i find him,in my opinion him and romney,the best candidate!if you think i am some kid you are wrong i am 30 years old,well lett me just say in case you if you say i am older then you,it dosen't make any diference.just becose he have some "good" idea on domestic policys it doesn't make him good candidate for anything when overall he is a nazi (i don't know if you have heard for letter that he wrote,it was on news)antisamatic and raceist.i don't know why you even defending him in first place,that is what raised my flag!i don't want to say anything bad to you(but you did call me a nazi),wish you luck to you and your kids,we disagree on this issue,i am no exeption in any case,just look it up,so havea good time in jtf.
OK, first I was too young to question you, then I was too senile, you said in your own words that whatever Chaim said was good enough for you. I apologize for calling you a nazi but you were accusing me of a few things also and I guess I am pretty much the same as you in the fact I will not take crap from anyone. Now you say Huckabee or Romney are the best candidates in your opinion. That's fine. I am still undecided and I would love to hear your reasons for this opinion as it could help me decide on a candidate as I am sure there are things I don't know about every candidate, such as the letter that Paul wrote that you mentioned,I don't know about that, what was that? I never defended Paul, if it appeared that way I apologize, but again, just because I cannot support
someone overall does not mean that they cannot be right on some issues. Remember, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
If it matters, I am 49, have not taken any IQ tests lately. I really don't think we disagree, I think we just might have been a little confused as to what each other were trying to say, we are probably more in agreement politically than you might think, we might have slightly different ways of going about things but I think we are on the same side.
Thanks for the good wishes for my kids, they are doing great, one will be going to college next year and good news is coming in every day and one is three years away. Hope all is well with your family.
I do enjoy my time at JTF though my time here is limited due to not getting the computer away from my kids that often and Friday night and Saturday morning when the forum is closed is when I do get a chance to use the computer, I am not Jewish so using the computer then is ok for me.
Now that we figured out in a confusing roundabout way that we are on the same side let's roll up our sleeves and continue fighting the real enemies, islam and liberalism.
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