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Israel => Save Israel => Topic started by: Raulmarrio2000 on March 06, 2008, 04:13:37 PM
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We, the undersigned, hereby condemn and curse the terrorists orgs and the murderers who attack Jews in Eretz Israel.
We pray that all those murderers and their organizations be punished by Hashem and erased from the face of Earth. We also unconditionally endorse the right of the Israelites to live in peace and security in their State and to have the whole city of Jerusalem as their capital. We pledge loyality by our honour.
Amen
What other members are ready to support this and pledge formal loyalty to Israel?
To the Mods, please make this sticky. I have purposedly said "their state" instead of "Eretz Israel" so that, even a Peacenik who supports land cession can endorse it. I just want to exclude the enemies of Israel from here.
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Moaning and crying about it won't stop it, arming yourself and promoting activism will however.
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Yes, only mourning will not help. But if people come here, they should be compromised and pledge loyalty to Israel. That's my intent. Please stick it. And members endorse it.
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Raul, it's a nice sentiment, but do you really think there are any members who don't agree with it?
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Raul, it's a nice sentiment, but do you really think there are any members who don't agree with it?
Yes, I think there may some non-Jews who would not be prepared to pledge loyalty to Israel. And if so, they would better leave.
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Yaakov, could you make this sticky?
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I support it
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I support it
Thank you, Eliezer
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Israel needs to get rid of its government pronto, the first thing Olmert said was the massacre wouldn't stop the peace process. He's as bad as the wicked Kings of Israel.
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Israel needs to get rid of its government pronto, the first thing Olmert said was the massacre wouldn't stop the peace process. He's as bad as the wicked Kings of Israel.
There are plenty of threads about the Israeli Govt. This thread is not precisely to debate Israeli current politics or the History of the kings. It is to pledge loyalty to Israel. But only Eliezer and me have done so. What is happening here???
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Israel needs to get rid of its government pronto, the first thing Olmert said was the massacre wouldn't stop the peace process. He's as bad as the wicked Kings of Israel.
There are plenty of threads about the Israeli Govt. This thread is not precisely to debate Israeli current politics or the History of the kings. It is to pledge loyalty to Israel. But only Eliezer and me have done so. What is happening here???
Hey, I did pledge my loyalty.
I know my post was long winded...but I did pledge it. But I see that no one even read it :'(
Sorry I had forgotten yor post
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Arabs should be given 48 hours.
If I was a prime-minister of Israel for only two days and if the only thing that i could achieve was moving the Arabs out, I would conisder my short career as the most productive in the history of Jewish leadership.
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Israel needs to fight a true war: carpet bombing, napalm, days of shelling, followed by a massive ground assault (75,000 troops, 300 tanks). Hamas must be utterly extinguished so that Jewish settlement in Gaza can begin ASAP. Kahane was right. The Arabs have to go!!!!!!
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Raul, it's a nice sentiment, but do you really think there are any members who don't agree with it?
Yes, I think there may some non-Jews who would not be prepared to pledge loyalty to Israel. And if so, they would better leave.
what the hell is your freakin problem raul !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man your an ass fly!
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I pledge my loyalty to the G-d of Israel. I think THAT ISRAELI GOVERMENT BY DIVIDING JERUSALEM AND GIVING AWAY THE PARTS OF EREC ISRAEL is rebeling against HIM. but govermnts come and go and G-d promise to Israel is forever.
Raul you start to sound more and more like Rivera; The non Jews here are more zionist and kahanist than many of Israeli and American Jewish public and you're as goy yourself have no right to question this.
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We, the undersigned, hereby condemn and curse the terrorists orgs and the murderers who attack Jews in Eretz Israel.
We pray that all those murderers and their organizations be punished by Hashem and erased from the face of Earth. We also unconditionally endorse the right of the Israelites to live in peace and security in their State and to have the whole city of Jerusalem as their capital. We pledge loyality by our honour.
Amen
What other members are ready to support this and pledge formal loyalty to Israel?
100%. I totally undertand your point and I support you.
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I support your statement 100%
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what the hell is your freakin problem raul !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man your an donkey fly!
Raul is just angry and very emotional. I totally undertsand his feelings.
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The non Jews here are more zionist and kahanist than many of Israeli and American Jewish public and you're as goy yourself have no right to question this.
Indeed, As a non jew now, I know that I'm more zionist and loves Israel and everything that has to do with Israel 100 times more than many of the secular left wing peace loving jews inside israel.
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One dollar given to JTF to help save the country or one new member you bring into the movement is worth more than 1,000 of these pledges.
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One dollar given to JTF to help save the country or one new member you bring into the movement is worth more than 1,000 of these pledges.
Exactly!! Every good person brought into our movement will bring more. Once we have the numbers the money will follow.
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its time to get even...
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its time to get even...
I only'll say two worlds: David Raziel... This not good place to discuss this kind of things...
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I pledge my loyalty to the G-d of Israel. I think THAT ISRAELI GOVERMENT BY DIVIDING JERUSALEM AND GIVING AWAY THE PARTS OF EREC ISRAEL is rebeling against HIM. but govermnts come and go and G-d promise to Israel is forever.
Raul you start to sound more and more like Rivera; The non Jews here are more zionist and kahanist than many of Israeli and American Jewish public and you're as goy yourself have no right to question this.
I am not questioning Gentiles who support Israel. I only say that if someone comes here saying he is pro-Israel (not those who only come to learn or argue), he should pledge loyalty to Israel. It's just common sense. Here in Argentina, children are bound to pledge loyalty the the country at 9. I don't agree with that B/c they are too younf and haven't chosen to be born here. But an adult who comes to say he is a pro-Israel, on his own initiative... Why not? And it's not a petition, it's just a pledge by your honour.
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That good idea, we coud make the decleration of JTF principles to click before registering but the goal of this forum is to get atention and money for Chaim strugle into Israel, leting in people with oposing views are making this forum more popularin search engines so.... Sorry Raul for harsh words but I'm angry lately how far we woud allow this coranic animals to slughter us... what will be next church, hospital, kindergarden;
and all those politicans talking about peace and security as nothing happened. >:(
Well enough of this rant; I find it on leftist Israeli blog:
S Haworth (05:30:49) :
Dear Yael -
this is a very long post, but please bear with me. The gist of it: Gellhorn was right, even though she didn’t see the half of it. She saw Arab hate, lies and rejectionism but not their ultimate source.
You, Israel, are exhausted because you have spent more than sixty years entangled with an adversary who plays goodcop/badcop, who alternates vicious ultra-violence with smiling deceit at will, and (to use Rowlings’ terminology) is absolute master of the three Unforgiveable Curses - the will to murder, the will to cause pain in order to enjoy the suffering of another, and the will to enslave; combined with proficiency in Confunding, aka Lying With a Straight Face.
If you read the Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A Guillaume, you will see that an ancient Muslim technique is to confuse and divide (by deceit; by buying traitors; by infiltration) those whom they are targetting for conquest, to ’split the camp’ by exploiting existing tensions and sowing discord.
You, Israel, are on the front line of the resurgent global jihad - which began circa 7th century AD, and has gone on, by means of extreme violence + fraud (with occasional rollbacks if it met sufficiently determined and united resistance) ever since. Eretz Israel was the first non-Arab land violently conquered by Muslim Arabs and crushed by the seven hells of dhimmitude (= religious apartheid). That’s why Muslims, not just Arab Muslims, are so bitter; they hate it that those uppity Zionist Jews rose up and de-Islamised the land, liberating its resident native non-Muslims - Jews, Samaritans, yes, and Christians too - from the Muslim yoke and restoring an Infidel polity. (Classic Islamic political theology teaches that NO Infidel polity is legitimate in the eyes of ‘allah’ and so must ideally be overthrown by Muslims and subjected to Muslim despotism, its laws replaced by the supposed ‘perfection’ of sharia - sharia with its stonings, handchoppings and headchoppings, death for ‘blasphemers’ and ‘apostates’, and institutionalised abuse of non-Muslims who refuse to convert).
The Jihadis - devout mainline Muslims to a man - hate you just like they hate the Spanish, Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians and Indians - for having the unutterable cheek to throw off the yoke of the Empire of Islam. The Jihadis want Spain and India just as much as they want eretz Israel. Fake ‘Palestinian’ nationalism is merely a means to an end - as was fake ‘Palestinian’ socialism; pan-Arabism (1950s/ 60s) was just a Muslim agenda by another name, logically enough, as Islam is, from a certain POV, the Arab Imperial Religion, prescribing and sacralising Arab domination of the world by any and all means necessary. This is all very ugly and frightening - not just for Israeli Jews, but for all non-Muslims - but it happens to be fact, just as Hitler and Mein Kampf were facts, or Mao and the Red Book were facts.
See: Robert Spencer, ‘Onward Muslim Soldiers’, also ‘Truth About Muhammad’ (read there what the ‘prophet’ did to the Jews of Arabia… two of his women were Jewish girls he raped, each on the same day his thugs had killed her husband and destroyed her community ), and ‘Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades); check out his ‘blogging the Qur’an’; learn that Qur’an and Muslim tradition (Sira, Hadith) and their classic interpreters TEACH hatred & contempt for Jews qua Jews. (For more, google Andrew Bostom and Muslim anti-semitism).
The aggression, hatred, contempt and mind-boggling duplicity that so shocked Gellhorn about the Arab world in 1960 are rooted in - sacralised by - the texts of Islam; they saturate its recorded history, from Spain to India.
Read Bat Yeor - ‘The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam’ (be sure to read the foreword, by Jacques Ellul, on ‘dhimmitude’) and Andrew Bostom, ‘Legacy of Jihad’ (read what Muslims did to India - scores of millions of non-combatants BUTCHERED LIKE ANIMALS). Moshe Gil, ‘Legacy of Jihad in Palestine’, and James Parkes, ‘Whose Land’ - many chapters cataloguing results of Muslim invasion, occupation and oppression of Jews, Christians and Samaritans in eretz Israel. To understand the fix ‘Palestinian’ Arab Christians are in, and the warping of their minds, see Bat Yeor, ‘Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam’ - be sure to read its foreword, on Jihad as institution, by Jacques Ellul - money quote = ‘there is so much talk nowadays [in France] of the tolerance and fundamental pacifism of Islam, that it is necessary to recall its nature, WHICH IS FUNDAMENTALLY WARLIKE’. To go with Gellhorn, if you read French, try Jacques Ellul’s ‘Un Chretien Pour Israel’ - he brilliantly deconstructs ‘Palestinian’ propaganda and analyses the PLO’s 1968 charter, defining it as “a perfect expression of the Jihad”.
Then see two Muslim writers: Iraqi scholar Majid Khadduri, ‘War and Peace in the Law of Islam’; & Pakistani S K Malik, ‘The Quranic Concept of War’. The Arab Muslims (incl ‘Palestinians’ ) and their Arabised Christian dhimmis/ janissaries are making war on Israel as per the classic traditional Muslim recipes. Study up on: taqiyya, kitman, hudna, Treaty of Hudaybiyya (Khadduri explains that classic Muslim jurisprudence and war theory teaches all Muslim treaties with non-Muslims follow model set by Mohammed at Hudaybiyya - i.e. expediency, deceit, feign peace, sign fake agreement, bide time, then at will, when strong enough, break treaty and annihilate treaty partner). Visit Spencer’s jihadwatch website and google ‘Hugh Fitzgerald’ ‘Israel’ and ‘darura’ to get a bleakly realistic reading of Israel’s predicament and some good advice.
Israel. Your fight is our (all non-Muslims’) fight; it is the same fight India has in Kashmir, Serbs in Kosovo, Thais in S Thailand, Filipinos in S Philippines; Timor Lorosae will have to fight it again; Danes and French and Britons encounter it in their own Islamised districts where Muslim thugs reject and defy Infidel law and law enforcement. Gellhorn was right. As Czechoslovakia to the Third Reich, so Israel to the Ummah ; and as Sudetendeutsch to Czechs in the 1930s, so the (Muslim-dominated) ‘Palestinian’ Arabs [whether in Israel proper, OR in Arab/ Muslim-occupied Judea, Samaria, and Jerusalem] to Israeli Jews, today.
The ‘Palestinian’ Arab Muslims have stolen and perverted the image of David with his sling. But it is you, Israel, who - the instant you rose up again and seized back your homeland from the death-grip of Islam - have been David. David, facing the Goliath that is the Empire of Islam. The IDF is an army of Davids. May the Holy One of Israel grant to you to prevail.
S Haworth (05:30:49) :
Dear Yael -
this is a very long post, but please bear with me. The gist of it: Gellhorn was right, even though she didn’t see the half of it. She saw Arab hate, lies and rejectionism but not their ultimate source.
You, Israel, are exhausted because you have spent more than sixty years entangled with an adversary who plays goodcop/badcop, who alternates vicious ultra-violence with smiling deceit at will, and (to use Rowlings’ terminology) is absolute master of the three Unforgiveable Curses - the will to murder, the will to cause pain in order to enjoy the suffering of another, and the will to enslave; combined with proficiency in Confunding, aka Lying With a Straight Face.
If you read the Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A Guillaume, you will see that an ancient Muslim technique is to confuse and divide (by deceit; by buying traitors; by infiltration) those whom they are targetting for conquest, to ’split the camp’ by exploiting existing tensions and sowing discord.
You, Israel, are on the front line of the resurgent global jihad - which began circa 7th century AD, and has gone on, by means of extreme violence + fraud (with occasional rollbacks if it met sufficiently determined and united resistance) ever since. Eretz Israel was the first non-Arab land violently conquered by Muslim Arabs and crushed by the seven hells of dhimmitude (= religious apartheid). That’s why Muslims, not just Arab Muslims, are so bitter; they hate it that those uppity Zionist Jews rose up and de-Islamised the land, liberating its resident native non-Muslims - Jews, Samaritans, yes, and Christians too - from the Muslim yoke and restoring an Infidel polity. (Classic Islamic political theology teaches that NO Infidel polity is legitimate in the eyes of ‘allah’ and so must ideally be overthrown by Muslims and subjected to Muslim despotism, its laws replaced by the supposed ‘perfection’ of sharia - sharia with its stonings, handchoppings and headchoppings, death for ‘blasphemers’ and ‘apostates’, and institutionalised abuse of non-Muslims who refuse to convert).
The Jihadis - devout mainline Muslims to a man - hate you just like they hate the Spanish, Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians and Indians - for having the unutterable cheek to throw off the yoke of the Empire of Islam. The Jihadis want Spain and India just as much as they want eretz Israel. Fake ‘Palestinian’ nationalism is merely a means to an end - as was fake ‘Palestinian’ socialism; pan-Arabism (1950s/ 60s) was just a Muslim agenda by another name, logically enough, as Islam is, from a certain POV, the Arab Imperial Religion, prescribing and sacralising Arab domination of the world by any and all means necessary. This is all very ugly and frightening - not just for Israeli Jews, but for all non-Muslims - but it happens to be fact, just as Hitler and Mein Kampf were facts, or Mao and the Red Book were facts.
See: Robert Spencer, ‘Onward Muslim Soldiers’, also ‘Truth About Muhammad’ (read there what the ‘prophet’ did to the Jews of Arabia… two of his women were Jewish girls he raped, each on the same day his thugs had killed her husband and destroyed her community ), and ‘Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades); check out his ‘blogging the Qur’an’; learn that Qur’an and Muslim tradition (Sira, Hadith) and their classic interpreters TEACH hatred & contempt for Jews qua Jews. (For more, google Andrew Bostom and Muslim anti-semitism).
The aggression, hatred, contempt and mind-boggling duplicity that so shocked Gellhorn about the Arab world in 1960 are rooted in - sacralised by - the texts of Islam; they saturate its recorded history, from Spain to India.
Read Bat Yeor - ‘The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam’ (be sure to read the foreword, by Jacques Ellul, on ‘dhimmitude’) and Andrew Bostom, ‘Legacy of Jihad’ (read what Muslims did to India - scores of millions of non-combatants BUTCHERED LIKE ANIMALS). Moshe Gil, ‘Legacy of Jihad in Palestine’, and James Parkes, ‘Whose Land’ - many chapters cataloguing results of Muslim invasion, occupation and oppression of Jews, Christians and Samaritans in eretz Israel. To understand the fix ‘Palestinian’ Arab Christians are in, and the warping of their minds, see Bat Yeor, ‘Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam’ - be sure to read its foreword, on Jihad as institution, by Jacques Ellul - money quote = ‘there is so much talk nowadays [in France] of the tolerance and fundamental pacifism of Islam, that it is necessary to recall its nature, WHICH IS FUNDAMENTALLY WARLIKE’. To go with Gellhorn, if you read French, try Jacques Ellul’s ‘Un Chretien Pour Israel’ - he brilliantly deconstructs ‘Palestinian’ propaganda and analyses the PLO’s 1968 charter, defining it as “a perfect expression of the Jihad”.
Then see two Muslim writers: Iraqi scholar Majid Khadduri, ‘War and Peace in the Law of Islam’; & Pakistani S K Malik, ‘The Quranic Concept of War’. The Arab Muslims (incl ‘Palestinians’ ) and their Arabised Christian dhimmis/ janissaries are making war on Israel as per the classic traditional Muslim recipes. Study up on: taqiyya, kitman, hudna, Treaty of Hudaybiyya (Khadduri explains that classic Muslim jurisprudence and war theory teaches all Muslim treaties with non-Muslims follow model set by Mohammed at Hudaybiyya - i.e. expediency, deceit, feign peace, sign fake agreement, bide time, then at will, when strong enough, break treaty and annihilate treaty partner). Visit Spencer’s jihadwatch website and google ‘Hugh Fitzgerald’ ‘Israel’ and ‘darura’ to get a bleakly realistic reading of Israel’s predicament and some good advice.
Israel. Your fight is our (all non-Muslims’) fight; it is the same fight India has in Kashmir, Serbs in Kosovo, Thais in S Thailand, Filipinos in S Philippines; Timor Lorosae will have to fight it again; Danes and French and Britons encounter it in their own Islamised districts where Muslim thugs reject and defy Infidel law and law enforcement. Gellhorn was right. As Czechoslovakia to the Third Reich, so Israel to the Ummah ; and as Sudetendeutsch to Czechs in the 1930s, so the (Muslim-dominated) ‘Palestinian’ Arabs [whether in Israel proper, OR in Arab/ Muslim-occupied Judea, Samaria, and Jerusalem] to Israeli Jews, today.
The ‘Palestinian’ Arab Muslims have stolen and perverted the image of David with his sling. But it is you, Israel, who - the instant you rose up again and seized back your homeland from the death-grip of Islam - have been David. David, facing the Goliath that is the Empire of Islam. The IDF is an army of Davids. May the Holy One of Israel grant to you to prevail.
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This is only more proof that Muslims can't live with anyone besides their murderus brothers.
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Sorry, but there are thousands of threads here to discuss, and any member can make a new one, why using this thread to post comments???? It was intended to pledge loyalty to Israel, not to comment. And you Ultra, you pledge loyalty to the "G-d of Israel" and say Jerusalem must not be divided.....hmmmm Many cults would also say they are loyal to "the G-d of Yisrael" and want Jerusalem united.... united... but for whom????? And who is the "G-d of Israel" for you? Hashem, a Trinity, A-llah??????????? Everyone could have written what you did!!!!! Even an Arab Fundamentalist Muslim!!!!!!!
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ROAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i condemn and curse them too,wow raulmarrio,unecessary right now Israel needs all the friends and allies he can get.
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Israel YAY! Terrorists BOO!!!
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What really hacks me off is that when this evil crime was reported on Sky news, an Israeli reporter stated that they would have to bring in extra troops for Friday to police the area in case there was trouble with Muslim riots in Jerusalem....
-Excuse me, WTF ???? !!!- I could not believe what I was hearing.
You would think that if someone has just committed this heinous mass murder (against Jewish people in a seminary, in Jerusalem) in the name of Islam then they (the Muslims) would have the smarts to stay just a little low key for the time being?
Isn't it truly sad that Jews in Jerusalem have to worry about Muslims rioting after a massacre has been perpetrated against their own people in their own homeland?
-It begs the question ...why does Israel tolerate any muzzies in Jerusalem and their country..why cant they simply deport the lot of them on masse to their "brothers" in muzzie land. The Egyptians seem to like their trade (following the demolition of their border), just herd em all to Egypt..they'd clearly be much happier..it is after all not the "abode of the sword"-
Deport all of them...bulldoze Gaza,... build a big fence, man it and never let another one in.
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Raul muslimes belive in "god" who choosed Ishamael over Isaac and his son Jacob/Israel. You know that no mo-slime Ishmaelite can bless the Israelites. And that's true origin of so called Israeli-Fakestinian conflict.