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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: WALK STRONG on July 17, 2008, 03:47:28 PM
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However, I wish to bring attention to it. So that hearsay may end about it.
If it is true, then I would like an explanation as to it.
Thank you.
Click here to read the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Task_Force
It says: "JTF is run by the former national chairman of the Jewish Defense League, Victor Vancier, who is also commonly known as Chaim Ben Pesach, and previously as Chaim Ben Yosef. In October of 1987, he was sentenced to 10 years in Federal prison for taking part in a series of terrorist bombings in the New York area since 1984 to protest Soviet treatment of Jews."
I am not trying to start trouble. Only seeking the truth. Why is this on Wikipedia? Did an Islam/Muslim put it there?
If this is NOT true, then someone needs to stand up and edit Wiki, before JTF.org begins to look real bad.
What is this all about?
Are they referring to NY in the USA? As I know of no other NY anywhere else Universal.
Did Chaim really change his name? If so, WHY?
Thanks for reading. Again, not trying to cause trouble. Just a truth seeker.
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Yes it's true. Chaim did spend time in prison for bombing Soviet diplomatic property (as opposed to Arabs going out of their way to kill innocent people). He admits it.
And you're obviously a troll.
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However, I wish to bring attention to it. So that hearsay may end about it.
If it is true, then I would like an explanation as to it.
Thank you.
Click here to read the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Task_Force
It says: "JTF is run by the former national chairman of the Jewish Defense League, Victor Vancier, who is also commonly known as Chaim Ben Pesach, and previously as Chaim Ben Yosef. In October of 1987, he was sentenced to 10 years in Federal prison for taking part in a series of terrorist bombings in the New York area since 1984 to protest Soviet treatment of Jews."
I am not trying to start trouble. Only seeking the truth. Why is this on Wikipedia? Did an Islam/Muslim put it there?
If this is NOT true, then someone needs to stand up and edit Wiki, before JTF.org begins to look real bad.
What is this all about?
Are they referring to NY in the USA? As I know of no other NY anywhere else Universal.
Did Chaim really change his name? If so, WHY?
Thanks for reading. Again, not trying to cause trouble. Just a truth seeker.
Soviets = Bad >:( Muslims = Bad >:( Nazi = Bad Clear enough?
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However, I wish to bring attention to it. So that hearsay may end about it.
If it is true, then I would like an explanation as to it.
Thank you.
Click here to read the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Task_Force
It says: "JTF is run by the former national chairman of the Jewish Defense League, Victor Vancier, who is also commonly known as Chaim Ben Pesach, and previously as Chaim Ben Yosef. In October of 1987, he was sentenced to 10 years in Federal prison for taking part in a series of terrorist bombings in the New York area since 1984 to protest Soviet treatment of Jews."
I am not trying to start trouble. Only seeking the truth. Why is this on Wikipedia? Did an Islam/Muslim put it there?
If this is NOT true, then someone needs to stand up and edit Wiki, before JTF.org begins to look real bad.
What is this all about?
Are they referring to NY in the USA? As I know of no other NY anywhere else Universal.
Did Chaim really change his name? If so, WHY?
Thanks for reading. Again, not trying to cause trouble. Just a truth seeker.
Is this suppose to breaking news? we all know it so what ::)
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Yes it's true and we are proud of him.
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Yes it's true and we are proud of him.
Yes I am proud too, to have such a chairman. He saved the lifes of good people.
:)
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Yea it is true and I am very proud of it and you are obviously a clown
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Yes.... Chaim destroyed property.
but he purposefully and specifically did NOT target people or innocent children.... Like Muslims do. What he did was not in any way evil. AGAIN he destroyed PROPERTY.
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Add me to those proud people! O0
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Yes, and we're all proud of Chaim O0
Walk Strong sounds like a troll to me. :P
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WALK STRONG you don't just join the JTF Forum and not know who Chaim is!!!
You're obviously a Troll looking to start trouble... I suggest you take a Long Walk off a Short Pier!
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Whatever Chaim may have done, he fulfilled his sentence, then what's the problem? What about genocidal PLO members who were never tried (if they had, they wouldn't be alive today), and their diplomats are received in the White House? What about those nations who vote in the UN to split Jerusalem, isn't that incitement to terror? And who cares?
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However, I wish to bring attention to it. So that hearsay may end about it.
If it is true, then I would like an explanation as to it.
Thank you.
Click here to read the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Task_Force
It says: "JTF is run by the former national chairman of the Jewish Defense League, Victor Vancier, who is also commonly known as Chaim Ben Pesach, and previously as Chaim Ben Yosef. In October of 1987, he was sentenced to 10 years in Federal prison for taking part in a series of terrorist bombings in the New York area since 1984 to protest Soviet treatment of Jews."
I am not trying to start trouble. Only seeking the truth. Why is this on Wikipedia? Did an Islam/Muslim put it there?
If this is NOT true, then someone needs to stand up and edit Wiki, before JTF.org begins to look real bad.
What is this all about?
Are they referring to NY in the USA? As I know of no other NY anywhere else Universal.
Did Chaim really change his name? If so, WHY?
Thanks for reading. Again, not trying to cause trouble. Just a truth seeker.
Walk Strong you should tell your stories walking!! That's an old issue that everyone on the forum knows about since Chaim talks about it openly. What Chaim did was to try to help people who could not help themselves and he did it at great personal expense. Don't come here with cr-p disclosures about things that are well known to almost everyone here and its an issue we are all proud of. If this is how your going to spend your time here on the forum save yourself the trouble because any more of this I will instigate that you be banned and I wont relent until its done.
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What Chaim did was righteous and necessary. He deserves respect and praise for what he accomplished.
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It's not like islammic ones in that kill hundreds of thousands of people in america
Chaim has not killed anybody or even tried to. He damaged property and disrupted a soviet ballet with a tear gas grenade. It had the effect of making the jewish cause of freeing jews, onto the front page of the papers.
There's "terrorism" and there's "terrorism". You could say that the allied bombing of germany was terrorism. Just state terrorism. Why not? Call it counter terrorism if you want, but arabs would call it terrorism. It's certainly violence. targetting innocent people. So if you want to be consistent here, and then you see how ridiculous condemning chaim is. What Chaim did freed many jews and killed nobody. He's a hero.
Islammic terrorists kill thousands and acheive nothing like what they aim at. And what they aim at is bad. Chaim was aiming at saving/freeing jews.
Arabs aim at arabizing/destroying the west.
So the world of difference.
It is like saying that rabbi kahane's ban on intermarriage is like the nuremburg laws. Rabbi Kahane woudl answer, but often say, that this person is clearly not a deep thinker.
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WALK STRONG you don't just join the JTF Forum and not know who Chaim is!!!
You're obviously a Troll looking to start trouble... I suggest you take a Long Walk off a Short Pier!
Well put Dan.
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Yes...
They had it coming
They had it coming
they only had themselves to blame
If you'd have been there
If you'd have seen it
I betcha you would have done the same!
*Taken from Cell-Block Tango-CHICAGO*
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I am not a troll. Yes, I am familiar with Chaim. I just did not know about this. I watched his videos on youtube.
I am not trying to condemn or judge him.
It was only a question. Anyone that wants to can edit Wikipedia, so I did not know if it was true or not.
I asked the question, because I wanted to know if it was so. Secondly, because I wanted to know the story behind it.
I am for Israel, for the Jewish people, and against Obama.
All I am asking now is, can someone please tell me the whole story on what happened, and where it took place (which country)?
I understand you guys being defensive, and honestly I was just wanting to know why they said that.
Ps. Thanks q_q_ you came the closest to answering my question. As I just wanted to know if it was so, and what happened. Thanks.
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I am not a troll. Yes, I am familiar with Chaim. I just did not know about this. I watched his videos on youtube.
I am not trying to condemn or judge him.
It was only a question. Anyone that wants to can edit Wikipedia, so I did not know if it was true or not.
I asked the question, because I wanted to know if it was so. Secondly, because I wanted to know the story behind it.
I am for Israel, for the Jewish people, and against Obama.
All I am asking now is, can someone please tell me the whole story on what happened, and where it took place (which country)?
I understand you guys being defensive, and honestly I was just wanting to know why they said that.
Ps. Thanks q_q_ you came the closest to answering my question. As I just wanted to know if it was so, and what happened. Thanks.
Chaim discussed this on Ask JTF over and over again. Basically, Chaim was the national chairman of the JDL and he was responsible for the freedom of a million russian Jews. That is all that you need to know.
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there are alot of people who are against JTF/jewsagainstobama.. They have done some trolling recently. So that kind of explains the odd reaction you got from loyal JTFers!
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People, Walk Strong has posted here before. In fact, he had just over 30 posts in the past. So I don't buy this business of not knowing that Chaim was in prison.
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Yes it's true. Chaim did spend time in prison for bombing Soviet diplomatic property (as opposed to Arabs going out of their way to kill innocent people). He admits it.
And you're obviously a troll.
I think it's time to ban Walk Strong or should I say 'Walk Weak.'
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People, Walk Strong has posted here before. In fact, he had just over 30 posts in the past. So I don't buy this business of not knowing that Chaim was in prison.
Walk-Strong... I read your last posts, all 35+... You dont really have a stand on ANYTHING, in fact, VERY CONFUSED. You also know former members whos leave cause for speculation. You also dont like Americans b/c they are ignorant. Perhaps, you can explain who YOU are. Never mind Chaim- WHO ARE YOU?
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there are alot of people who are against JTF/jewsagainstobama.. They have done some trolling recently. So that kind of explains the odd reaction you got from loyal JTFers!
Thank you again.
I meant no offense. In fact if anyone would like, they can go ahead and delete this whole thread I do not mind.
Have not been on this site in a few months. So, had no idea there was any trolling going on recently.
Again, I apologize for causing a stir. Anyone that wishes, can delete this whole thread.
Thank you to those that answered my question. I respect the Jewish Nation, and I am for Israel and America. Yes, I do believe there are many ignorant mis-informed Americans, that does NOT make me anti American. I am very outspoken and stand by my Country. I love my Country.
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I really don't think WALK STRONG is a troll and it appears that he's simply asking what happened.
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I really don't think WALK STRONG is a troll and it appears that he's simply asking what happened.
Your probably right
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I abstain..
note- I haven't read his posts
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I really don't think WALK STRONG is a troll and it appears that he's simply asking what happened.
Maybe you are right. I misjudged him.
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Let's change the subject to one NELSON MANDELA!
Here is an avowed Communist revolutionary who advocated violent struggle entirely for evil and racist reasons!
He was locked in prison for most of his life.
Why?
Because the filthy animal set real bombs off killing completely innocent white women and white children in public places.
He justified murdering innocents based entirely on his hate for white people, and his hate for civilization.
Yet, he is the highest praised hero of every Leftist scumbag from Bill & Hillary Clinton on down.
He praises the PLO, Hamas, and was one of Arafat Pig Sh*t's best friends.
Just this week his name was removed for the State Department's Official "Terrorist" list, so that he can now fly into New York to meet with other Negro Mau Maus like Obama Osama.
Sure is a funny thing how Marxist Internationalists worship the ground of beast murderers whose ancestors only two generations removed loved to eat human flesh.
No wonder they're attempting to project their own guilt and self-loathing in Chaim's direction.
Nice try at psychological diversion, "WALK STRONG", but you failed.
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People, Walk Strong has posted here before. In fact, he had just over 30 posts in the past. So I don't buy this business of not knowing that Chaim was in prison.
Walk-Strong... I read your last posts, all 35+... You dont really have a stand on ANYTHING, in fact, VERY CONFUSED. You also know former members whos leave cause for speculation. You also dont like Americans b/c they are ignorant. Perhaps, you can explain who YOU are. Never mind Chaim- WHO ARE YOU?
Why remove the thread? Never-mind Chaim- WHO ARE YOU is all I asked. and I ask again, who are YOU? We ALREADY KNOW Chaim.
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People, Walk Strong has posted here before. In fact, he had just over 30 posts in the past. So I don't buy this business of not knowing that Chaim was in prison.
Walk-Strong... I read your last posts, all 35+... You dont really have a stand on ANYTHING, in fact, VERY CONFUSED. You also know former members whos leave cause for speculation. You also dont like Americans b/c they are ignorant. Perhaps, you can explain who YOU are. Never mind Chaim- WHO ARE YOU?
Why remove the thread? Never-mind Chaim- WHO ARE YOU is all I asked. and I ask again, who are YOU? We ALREADY KNOW Chaim.
Nobody should give their personal information whether asked or not. Even suspected trolls.
If he was bad, he wouldn't say anyway.
But don't give it.
And don't ask anybody to give it.
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lisa, i am sorry but its wrong to to call a NEW JTFER, who is currious about our glorious leader a troll, i had that same question when i first joined, i found out doing a little reasearch but i mean this is a good way for him to learn from other members
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um i read into the thread a little futher, i would like to add i am proud, and i take back my previous stance :-[
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QQ- its the GENERAL IDEA. Who asked him for ANY personal info? Not I. Its a SIMPLE Q really.... who are you-
You know qq......like in Anger management, that little line that Jack Nicholsen drives Adam Sandler CRAZY with.
So, Lets see... Walk Strong, I am the maverick here, which makes me VERYYYY unpopular. I am upbeat, funny, rude, crude, arrogant, but most of all loving- so there it is, Paulette in a nutshell. If you wish my age and weight, well, I am 43- so, none of your business FAIR ENOUGH?
Oh, it would appear that I am trying to be a bigger 'star' than Chaim........ other people know more about this situation with Cham ben Pesach- I met Chaim, he is a NICE person, not at all the 'angry' type, if anything very indignant over things in USA and Israel, Chaim is flat out one of the nicest men I have encountered, David the 1st- but WHAT about those incidents, I am far LESS educated in the things that Chaim had to do, to save near a million Jews from the Soviet Russia, and get them sent to Israel..
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Chaim bombed Soviet property, tear gassed their ballet broke glass of banks doing business with the USSR,and spilled acid on their art exhibit. He paid the price with jail time but his efforts got 1 million Jews out of Russia.
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Let's change the subject to one NELSON MANDELA!
Here is an avowed Communist revolutionary who advocated violent struggle entirely for evil and racist reasons!
He was locked in prison for most of his life.
Why?
Because the filthy animal set real bombs off killing completely innocent white women and white children in public places.
He justified murdering innocents based entirely on his hate for white people, and his hate for civilization.
Yet, he is the highest praised hero of every Leftist scumbag from Bill & Hillary Clinton on down.
He praises the PLO, Hamas, and was one of Arafat Pig Sh*t's best friends.
Just this week his name was removed for the State Department's Official "Terrorist" list, so that he can now fly into New York to meet with other Negro Mau Maus like Obama Osama.
Sure is a funny thing how Marxist Internationalists worship the ground of beast murderers whose ancestors only two generations removed loved to eat human flesh.
Uh. Is this true? How come I haven't heard this before.
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nelson mandella is a funny one..
apparently he was a terrorist initially
Regarding his attitude towards israel, there was a big shift.
Some years ago (5,10, I don't know). He was pictured in the jewish chronicle or london jewish news. These are jewish papers in britain.. Talking at a board of deputies event (BOD is like ADL but protecting jews only really).
He said that Israel deserves to keep the land won in 1967. And the arabs lost it in a war that the arab started. So they deserve to lose it. And should not be given the land. They lost if fair and square. And he talked about how much e liked jews..
I saw pictures of the jews listening.. They looked like they were falling asleep.
The statements mandella made were not celebrated much.
This is interesting because normally in britain, Mandella is treated like G-d. Blacks and whites from everywhere and anywhere would come to hear him if he was speaking. They would stand to attenotion and hang on every word. He meets with Tony Blair.. He is or was very well respected.
Then suddenly things changed a bit..
I heard that muslim groups had heard about his comments and were angry with him
Black groups had heard and were angry with him.
And after that, his comments changed and became more pro arab/muslim.
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We are all very proud of Chaim's heroic efforts to free the oppressed and captive Soviet Jewry, who were being persecuted severely and not allowed to emigrate to Israel.
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he's a hero for those bombings not a terrorist... nik.
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nelson mandella is a funny one..
apparently he was a terrorist initially
Regarding his attitude towards israel, there was a big shift.
Some years ago (5,10, I don't know). He was pictured in the jewish chronicle or london jewish news. These are jewish papers in britain.. Talking at a board of deputies event (BOD is like ADL but protecting jews only really).
He said that Israel deserves to keep the land won in 1967. And the arabs lost it in a war that the arab started. So they deserve to lose it. And should not be given the land. They lost if fair and square. And he talked about how much e liked jews..
I saw pictures of the jews listening.. They looked like they were falling asleep.
The statements mandella made were not celebrated much.
This is interesting because normally in britain, Mandella is treated like G-d. Blacks and whites from everywhere and anywhere would come to hear him if he was speaking. They would stand to attenotion and hang on every word. He meets with Tony Blair.. He is or was very well respected.
Then suddenly things changed a bit..
I heard that muslim groups had heard about his comments and were angry with him
Black groups had heard and were angry with him.
And after that, his comments changed and became more pro arab/muslim.
Can you show us a link of this happening?Any articles?