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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on July 20, 2008, 03:19:47 AM
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I don't want this crap on our forum. I have had enough of this. Anyone who says that the Muslim terrorists are not responsible for 911 is a criminal traitor.
Especially, the self-hating, sick Jews who join with the anti-Semitic conspiracy freaks to exonerate the Muslim Nazis.
We will start with deleting threads as a warning. If that doesn't work, we will ban the mental cases who post this garbage.
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Chaim, if they have the Chutzpa to post something like that, they should be banned immediately. Anyone who says this is obviously an anti semite animal anyways. I have never met one righteous person who believed in these conspiracies. The only ones responsible for terror is Muzzy towelheads.
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Chaim, if they have the Chutzpa to post something like that, they should be banned immediately. Anyone who says this is obviously an anti semite animal anyways. I have never met one righteous person who believed in these conspiracies. The only ones responsible for terror is Muzzy towelheads.
You must not have been paying close attention to the board lately. It seems the Ron paulite disease spread to JTF forum.....
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Chaim, if they have the Chutzpa to post something like that, they should be banned immediately. Anyone who says this is obviously an anti semite animal anyways. I have never met one righteous person who believed in these conspiracies. The only ones responsible for terror is Muzzy towelheads.
the problem is that the purveyours of these theories are liars and mislead people. Otherwise righteous or wellmeaning people could very easily be misled and deceived by the charlatans so be careful what you are saying. I would give the benefit of the doubt to the misguided who get hoodwinked by the likes of dylan avery.. and they ought to be open to being shown they are wrong (most aren't). for health's sake. but in either case, it really has no place on this forum.
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Chaim, if they have the Chutzpa to post something like that, they should be banned immediately. Anyone who says this is obviously an anti semite animal anyways. I have never met one righteous person who believed in these conspiracies. The only ones responsible for terror is Muzzy towelheads.
the problem is that the purveyours of these theories are liars and mislead people. Otherwise righteous or wellmeaning people could very easily be misled and deceived by the charlatans so be careful what you are saying. I would give the benefit of the doubt to the misguided who get hoodwinked by the likes of dylan avery.. and they ought to be open to being shown they are wrong (most aren't). for health's sake. but in either case, it really has no place on this forum.
I have been very busy lately so I have not been as active. What do you mean that the ron paul disease spread to the forum? Have longstanding jtf'ers started to believe in that crap? Fill me in.
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Chaim, you support one form of conspiracy theory, regarding Rabin
http://www.jtf.org/israel/israel.rabin.assassination.htm
though with rabin, you could say it's not theory but fact.
However, any conspiracy theorist would say that too. And it's ridiculous to investigate all their claims.
Any "conspiracy theories" attacking the catholic church (especially absurd rantings and long copy pastes, are clearly inappropriate and would offend christian members.
I think your common sense would sort the good from the bad.
But as we know israel is so full of corruption, there will be many true conspiracy theories.
I don't think for example, that various theories on rabin, should be banned.
They are largely based on fact, medical reports. and they are not copy-peaste rants. Common sense has to be applied.
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Things are not always as they seem.
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Is it still OK to watch the X Files?? I have been waiting for the movie to come out. I think Agent Sculley is hot!! O0
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Thank you, Chaim, I really have had ENOUGH of this, there ARE people who were DIRECTLY involved and lost family members, that come here inc. a WONDERFUL new member Muman, who had a major tragedy. Many of these members ARE from NYC- this was CRUEL and HEARTLESS. WE KNOW WHO DID IT. People who look for a demon behind every doorknob, have SERIOUS issues.
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Is it still OK to watch the X Files?? I have been waiting for the movie to come out. I think Agent Sculley is hot!! O0
most actresses on tv are.. it doesn't really need to be said!
unless you want a debate as to which actress is "better", but that's not really appropriate for a "religio-righteous" forum!
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Is it still OK to watch the X Files?? I have been waiting for the movie to come out. I think Agent Sculley is hot!! O0
most actresses on tv are.. it doesn't really need to be said!
unless you want a debate as to which actress is "better", but that's not really appropriate for a "religio-righteous" forum!
Apologies qq and all. "Hot" was probably not the best description to use. Women that are assertive, are the voice of reason in a situation AND carry a gun and use it often are great to watch. That role model will go away under dhimitude.
I was not being disrespectful or light hearted to those that lost loved ones in the tragedy. It just seems so absolutley frggin ridiculous that someone can think the government staged 9/11. There are hundreds of pictures of the event. Those are not cruise missles, military planes, or aliens (space not Mexico) crashing into the buildings.
What about the crash in the field in Pennsylvania, that wasn't a missle or military jet. Where the cell phone calls from the planes to loved ones staged by governemnt actors?
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I have to agree with Chaim. Anyone who says Islam isn't a terrorist religion is insane. Anyone who says Obama doesn't have an Islamic past is also insane.
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I have to agree with Chaim. Anyone who says Islam isn't a terrorist religion is insane. Anyone who says Obama doesn't have an Islamic past is also insane.
Exactly!! I was so glad to see that he finally put his foot down with that issue. That thread about 911 followed up the one about the Vatican. Between the two I think we may have been in danger of loosing many visitors and even some members. Extreme positions like that are a turn off because most people see through them. We need people to accept JTF as a reasonable well informed movement. If people want conspiracy they can tune into Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell and George Noory they don't need to find it here at JTF.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
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I have to agree with Chaim. Anyone who says Islam isn't a terrorist religion is insane. Anyone who says Obama doesn't have an Islamic past is also insane.
Exactly!! I was so glad to see that he finally put his foot down with that issue. That thread about 911 followed up the one about the Vatican. Between the two I think we may have been in danger of loosing many visitors and even some members. Extreme positions like that are a turn off because most people see through them. We need people to accept JTF as a reasonable well informed movement. If people want conspiracy they can tune into Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell and George Noory they don't need to find it here at JTF.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
George noory is alot worse then Art Bell i think noory is an arab
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I have to agree with Chaim. Anyone who says Islam isn't a terrorist religion is insane. Anyone who says Obama doesn't have an Islamic past is also insane.
Exactly!! I was so glad to see that he finally put his foot down with that issue. That thread about 911 followed up the one about the Vatican. Between the two I think we may have been in danger of loosing many visitors and even some members. Extreme positions like that are a turn off because most people see through them. We need people to accept JTF as a reasonable well informed movement. If people want conspiracy they can tune into Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell and George Noory they don't need to find it here at JTF.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
George noory is alot worse then Art Bell i think noory is an arab
You're right. According to wikipedia, he's Lebanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Noory
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I have to agree with Chaim. Anyone who says Islam isn't a terrorist religion is insane. Anyone who says Obama doesn't have an Islamic past is also insane.
Exactly!! I was so glad to see that he finally put his foot down with that issue. That thread about 911 followed up the one about the Vatican. Between the two I think we may have been in danger of loosing many visitors and even some members. Extreme positions like that are a turn off because most people see through them. We need people to accept JTF as a reasonable well informed movement. If people want conspiracy they can tune into Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell and George Noory they don't need to find it here at JTF.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
George noory is alot worse then Art Bell i think noory is an arab
You're right. According to wikipedia, he's Lebanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Noory
Yes the name noory gave it away
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myself, dwi, cf, cjd, briann amongst many others were right from the beginning on this....
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People that believe in these conspiracy theories have been watching too many episodes of The X Files.
This has probably been posted before somewhere here on this forum, Popular Mechanics has an excellent website debunking a lot of the 9/11 myths.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
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Who supports conspiracy theories about 911? Was it nik?
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This is a good move. Many muslims still claim it was the Jews who did 9/11. :::D
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When people go off the deep end with this stuff I've said before they need a Scully for their Mulder. In other words they need to stop and think things through rationally.
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This is a good move. Many muslims still claim it was the Jews who did 9/11. :::D
Many people claim it was the Jews who did 9/11. Not just Arabs and Muslims.
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Conspiracy kook really sour my stomach, >:( Their diatribe about the Bush Administration being behind the planning and execution of 9/11 is absolute nonsense and total fantasy. They have to suspend reality to believe this crap that they do. >:(
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I don't want this crap on our forum. I have had enough of this. Anyone who says that the Muslim terrorists are not responsible for 911 is a criminal traitor.
Especially, the self-hating, sick Jews who join with the anti-Semitic conspiracy freaks to exonerate the Muslim Nazis.
We will start with deleting threads as a warning. If that doesn't work, we will ban the mental cases who post this garbage.
Thank You
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I have mentioned in other posts my love of wearing politically controversial shirts in public. Many of the best I have found on Cafe Press.
One of my favorites, which I happen to have on today, is a shirt that has a large image of the twin towers with a plane just seconds from crashing into it. At the top of the shirt is a large crescent and star with ISLAM printed next to it. Underneath in smaller letters, "Hey, you can always blame the Jews."
Costco is my favorite place to wear. For some reaon it tends to draw muzzies by the van load.
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Conspiracy kook really sour my stomach, >:( Their diatribe about the Bush Administration being behind the planning and execution of 9/11 is absolute nonsense and total fantasy. They have to suspend reality to believe this crap that they do. >:(
Jaaaman!!!! HI- I AM VERY GLAD YOU ARE HERE- you ARE NEEDED- BIGTIME. AGREE, How much we have had to put up with THIS!!! WAY OVER A year of this BULLSH- !! I am TIRED of it. VERY TIRED of this.
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EXACTLY!!!!!! THESE deleted BASTARDS!!!!
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Thank you so much Chaim, I always say that conpiracies will make us look crazy.
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Who supports conspiracy theories about 911 on the forum? Was it nik?
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I don't want this crap on our forum. I have had enough of this. Anyone who says that the Muslim terrorists are not responsible for 911 is a criminal traitor.
Especially, the self-hating, sick Jews who join with the anti-Semitic conspiracy freaks to exonerate the Muslim Nazis.
We will start with deleting threads as a warning. If that doesn't work, we will ban the mental cases who post this garbage.
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Thank you Chaim. I am just so sick of hearing about that everywhere I turn. The Muslims admit that did it, and yet the 'conspiracy' people just can't get this through their heads. I guess they just hate America so much that they have to invent ways to blame it on America/Bush.
Here's a touching video of the 9/11 attack made by a New Yorker who lived through it. It was viewed millions of times (several of this video are on different sites on the net) and is now in the Smithsonian.
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/
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Who supports conspiracy theories about 911 on the forum? Was it nik?
can anyone answer my ques?
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Who supports conspiracy theories about 911? Was it nik?
You will have to judge for yourself: http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=23510.0 It made for an interesting debate- but it is VERY HURTFUL to people that were DIRECLY AFFECTED. Which is HEARTLESS.
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Hallelujah,
Good move Chaim! I am glad this was resolved because I was quite upset finding this kind of BS on JTF. I was beginning to have hard feelings about those who were perpetrating the lies. It is good that you decided as you did.
Thank you,
muman613
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What if you believe the Muslims did it but the government was totally incompetent/negligent in responding and you think they should held accountable for that?
What if the incompetence looks so hard to believe as to cause you to ask questions about the motives of the government in not doing all they could to stop these events?
Chaim I know even you yourself have expressed the opinion many times that the government did not do all they could do to stop these events. The FBI ignored your pleas to translate the documents held by the murderers of Rabbi Kahane which contained the blueprint for 9-11. You yourself question their motives.
No sane person can watch George W. Bush partying with the Saudi Royal family after 9-11 and tell the American people that "the Saudis are our friends" and "Islam is a religion of peace" and not think for moment that we need to take a closer look at this administration and what their motives really are.
If that makes you a "conspiracy kook" then I'm guilty as charged. But I think in reality it's kooky not to ask those questions.
More questions:
Would someone who ascribes to the Rabin conspiracy theory also be banned? In that case we might need to ban probably half the Israeli forum because last I checked half the Israeli does not believe Amir did it. If not, then what made that theory become "kosher" and others not?
For the above reasons I think this new rule is overly-broad and unfair and Chaim should reconsider it. JTF should be a place where even unpopular opinions can be debated as was always our policy. Our policy always was that if JTF is right, that should become clear through the process of debate and this process will "sharpen the skills of our JTF members". At least I thought this was always JTF's way.
P.S. It is important to note that I don't think any single person ever posting here, even those who believe 100% in 9-11 conspiracy theories ever once tried to in any way minimize the Islamic threat. If we didn't believe Islam was a huge threat we wouldn't be here supporting JTF. The only disagreement here is to what extent OTHER non-Islamic governments actively or passively support that Islamic threat. That is a perfectly legitimate debate to have, in my opinion.
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What if you believe the Muslims did it but the government was totally incompetent/negligent in responding and you think they should held accountable for that?
What if the incompetence looks so hard to believe as to cause you to ask questions about the motives of the government in not doing all they could to stop these events?
Chaim I know even you yourself have expressed the opinion many times that the government did not do all they could do to stop these events. The FBI ignored your pleas to translate the documents held by the murderers of Rabbi Kahane which contained the blueprint for 9-11. You yourself question their motives.
No sane person can watch George W. Bush partying with the Saudi Royal family after 9-11 and tell the American people that "the Saudis are our friends" and "Islam is a religion of peace" and not think for moment that we need to take a closer look at this administration and what their motives really are.
If that makes you a "conspiracy kook" then I'm guilty as charged. But I think in reality it's kooky not to ask those questions.
More questions:
Would someone who ascribes to the Rabin conspiracy theory also be banned? In that case we might need to ban probably half the Israeli forum because last I checked half the Israeli does not believe Amir did it. If not, then what made that theory become "kosher" and others not?
For the above reasons I think this new rule is overly-broad and unfair and Chaim should reconsider it. JTF should be a place where even unpopular opinions can be debated as was always our policy. Our policy always was that if JTF is right, that should become clear through the process of debate and this process will "sharpen the skills of our JTF members". At least I thought this was always JTF's way.
P.S. It is important to note that I don't think any single person ever posting here, even those who believe 100% in 9-11 conspiracy theories ever once tried to in any way minimize the Islamic threat. If we didn't believe Islam was a huge threat we wouldn't be here supporting JTF. The only disagreement here is to what extent OTHER non-Islamic governments actively or passively support that Islamic threat. That is a perfectly legitimate debate to have, in my opinion.
Some people also claim that Meir Kahanes assasination was a conspiracy, it is well known that US government did list JDL as a terrorist organization at one point. Shouldn't this be brought up or should we aknowledge the official story? I am just curious. I don't know if JDL is still listed or not.
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What if you believe the Muslims did it but the government was totally incompetent/negligent in responding and you think they should held accountable for that?
That's completely different from saying they were in on it without any proof.
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The main reason people like conspiracies about 9-11 is because it lets them hide from the truth. They can make the fact that 1.2 billion Muslims who want to kill us, just go away. It's much more comforting to believe that we're in a giant movie and there's one bad guy in a nice building who we could get to if we could figure out his master plan. It's much scarier to realize that there are hundreds of millions of people who would like to.. at best convert you and destroy your way of life.
Also, the Saudis and Obama (I'm sorry Osama) have different takes at world conquest. The Saudis believe in Jihad of the pen and takia and Osama, the sword. Osama recruited Gulf Muslims to embarrass the fat cat Muslim regimes to show he was doing something against America and they were not. Simple as that.
Also, Bush has done great damage to this country from his hideous policy towards Israel, to his immigration debcale, to his horrible spending. Still, some people will stub thier toe and blame it on GWB. It's a sickness with him for some people.
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What if you believe the Muslims did it but the government was totally incompetent/negligent in responding and you think they should held accountable for that?
That's completely different from saying they were in on it without any proof.
I still have about 7 unanswered questions on my thread and I've got lots more where those came from, so let's not get into a discussion about who has proof and who doesn't. Almost nobody tried to even answer my questions (except for Brian-thank you!) but instead would pose their own questions about what 9-11 truthers believe (or just mock me).
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It's been documented with PROOF that the Rabbi's murder was a conspiracy. Big difference.
I don't think Chaim is against documented conspiracies. He is likely against the insane, undocumented, with no proof, conspiracies that try to clear the name of the Arab Muslim Nazis who attacked on 9/11 and instead shift blame to a combination of every single person in the US govt, the entire NYC fire dept, the entire NYPD, thousands of scientists, engineers, physicists, victims on the hijacked planes themselves, victims' family members, all the media, etc etc, who according to these "truth" charlatans have all been "paid off" to keep quiet, and yet not one out of these thousands of people has come forward or spilt the beans about the biggest conspiracy in the history of mankind, one of the most ruthless evil plots ever imagined and carried out, and of course one in which those being accused of being "in on it" were killed in swarms (ie the heroic firemen who some of you so brazenly accuse, who lost over 300 of their own members fighting to save the lives of THOUSANDS of people out of the burning towers).
After all that these people have been through, the fact that some keyboard warrior drags their names through the mud in order to excuse Arab terrorists is one of the biggest disgraces and lack of humanity there could ever be. It shows that person, DOESN'T UNDERSTAND how science or peer review works, doesn't understand or know anyone from within the FDNY or the NYPD, or any first responders, or what the scene of the destruction ACTUALLY looked like, and is completely deluded and misled by Muslim propagandists and their leftwing shills like film-school dropouts who make documentaries with idiotic questions and incorrect straw men.
These people are not "just asking questions" despite their claims to be doing so. They are accusing thousands of decent hardworking Americans of being "in on" the most sinister evil, and of course anyone who disagrees is also "paid off" and 'in on it.' I'm sure that I will now be accused.
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What if you believe the Muslims did it but the government was totally incompetent/negligent in responding and you think they should held accountable for that?
That's completely different from saying they were in on it without any proof.
I still have about 7 unanswered questions on my thread and I've got lots more where those came from, so let's not get into a discussion about who has proof and who doesn't. Almost nobody tried to even answer my questions (except for Brian-thank you!) but instead would pose their own questions about what 9-11 truthers believe.
I agree with you Lubab, it hurts our cause if we ignore this stuff, we need facts to debate issues. I personally think there is no harm in asking questions and having them answered. There are still a lot of fence sitters who are kind of in the middle.
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It should just be made clear that there is no logical reason why a 9-11 conspiracy theory is mutually exclusive with someone believing that Islam is a religion of hate whose subscribers want non-Muslims dead and are responsible for most of the terrorism around the world.
Most people who subscribe to 9-11 conspiracy theories may not believe that second part, but to put all such people in the same boat is unfair.
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What if you believe the Muslims did it but the government was totally incompetent/negligent in responding and you think they should held accountable for that?
That's completely different from saying they were in on it without any proof.
I still have about 7 unanswered questions on my thread and I've got lots more where those came from, so let's not get into a discussion about who has proof and who doesn't. Almost nobody tried to even answer my questions (except for Brian-thank you!) but instead would pose their own questions about what 9-11 truthers believe (or just mock me).
Lubab, don't start with this "you can't answer my questions" nonsense. I told you I will have time this week to really get to this subject. Please be patient and don't pretend that you have uncovered a big conspiracy that no one is capable of responding to.
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Who supports conspiracy theories about 911 on the forum? Was it nik?
can anyone answer my ques?
Hello ape, yes it was nik.
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What if you believe the Muslims did it but the government was totally incompetent/negligent in responding and you think they should held accountable for that?
What if the incompetence looks so hard to believe as to cause you to ask questions about the motives of the government in not doing all they could to stop these events?
Chaim I know even you yourself have expressed the opinion many times that the government did not do all they could do to stop these events. The FBI ignored your pleas to translate the documents held by the murderers of Rabbi Kahane which contained the blueprint for 9-11. You yourself question their motives.
No sane person can watch George W. Bush partying with the Saudi Royal family after 9-11 and tell the American people that "the Saudis are our friends" and "Islam is a religion of peace" and not think for moment that we need to take a closer look at this administration and what their motives really are.
If that makes you a "conspiracy kook" then I'm guilty as charged. But I think in reality it's kooky not to ask those questions.
More questions:
Would someone who ascribes to the Rabin conspiracy theory also be banned? In that case we might need to ban probably half the Israeli forum because last I checked half the Israeli does not believe Amir did it. If not, then what made that theory become "kosher" and others not?
For the above reasons I think this new rule is overly-broad and unfair and Chaim should reconsider it. JTF should be a place where even unpopular opinions can be debated as was always our policy. Our policy always was that if JTF is right, that should become clear through the process of debate and this process will "sharpen the skills of our JTF members". At least I thought this was always JTF's way.
P.S. It is important to note that I don't think any single person ever posting here, even those who believe 100% in 9-11 conspiracy theories ever once tried to in any way minimize the Islamic threat. If we didn't believe Islam was a huge threat we wouldn't be here supporting JTF. The only disagreement here is to what extent OTHER non-Islamic governments actively or passively support that Islamic threat. That is a perfectly legitimate debate to have, in my opinion.
The bin Ladens LEFT the USA on 9/22/01. For the THIRD time, AND renounced what bin laden did.
YOU dont 'think' that we have not held the Govt. accountable?
With these conspiracies, America has BURIED this current administration- NOT the vice versa, AND, in burying them, WE BURIED OURSELVES. If ANYONE has been UNACCOUNTABLE, it has in FACT been>> WE the people. Evangelicals REFUSED to pray for this leadership, instead made Bush out to be a king. Gd will NOT share his glory- and we got punished accordingly. If you really want to find this 'problem' GO AND READ "Dereliction of Duty"
ALSO- I believe Chaim asked NOT to talk on THIS anymore?!?!?! We have MUCH bigger problems than this conspiracy crappola.
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Re: The bin Ladens LEFT the USA on 9/22/01[/b]. For the THIRD time, AND renounced what bin laden
Please read my post more carefully before you go on attack mode. I said the "Saudi Royal Family" not the "Bin Ladin Family"
I'm talking about the BBQ and hand holding session he had with them (the biggest financers of terrorism on the planet) after 9-11!
He then told us the Saudis were "our friends" after they financed 9-11 (even ask Chaim...they gave the money needed for it).
If you don't question this man's sincerity after he pulls that crap then I don't see much of a point in talking to you about this.
Who cares if he "renounced what Bin Ladin did" if he just gave a pass to his financiers?!
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As I was looking at that terrorists youtube page I saw a video that shows the rift between "on the ground Muslims" like Osama and the Saudis. In Saudi Arabia they have two schools of thought. Jihad and Jihad Now.
Bush and the Saudi royal family like each others $$$$. Its obvious from this video that not all Muslims are on the same page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d00RxGakrY
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I know it is an emergency to stop Obama. But if we continue on this path, the only threads allowed will be threads bashing Obama and everything else will be a "distraction" and it will become quite a boring forum indeed.
I think there is room here for a serious anti-Obama campaign AND other issues.
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I think there is room here for a serious anti-Obama campaign AND other issues.
Well... keep your 9/11 conspiracy theory diatribe out of it then. >:(
Thank you.
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I think there is room here for a serious anti-Obama campaign AND other issues.
Well... keep your kooky 9/11 conspiracy theory diatribe out of it then. >:(
Thank you.
Jaaaman from paltalk? I thought you were muslim?
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Jaaaman from paltalk? I thought you were muslim?
Nope. Not hardly.
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I think there is room here for a serious anti-Obama campaign AND other issues.
Well... keep your kooky 9/11 conspiracy theory diatribe out of it then. >:(
Thank you.
Jaaaman from paltalk? I thought you were muslim?
OMGOSH NO Cohen NO WAY.
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I think there is room here for a serious anti-Obama campaign AND other issues.
Well... keep your kooky 9/11 conspiracy theory diatribe out of it then. >:(
Thank you.
It's a free country and I'll talk about what I feel is important without any input from you, thank you very much. If what I feel is important is not allowed on this forum, that's a decision for Chaim and how he wants this forum run, not you.
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I think there is room here for a serious anti-Obama campaign AND other issues.
Well... keep your kooky 9/11 conspiracy theory diatribe out of it then. >:(
Thank you.
It's a free country and I'll talk about what I feel is important without any input from you, thank you very much. If what I feel is important is not allowed on this forum, that's a decision for Chaim and how he wants this forum run, not you.
Lubab- Firt off Jaaaman is new and a GOOD MAN. I REFUSE to bring DECENT AND Gd FEARING people here- just to get TRASHED, for SUPPORTING this nation, WHICH- Jaaaman IS RET. Military.
Secondly- Chaim ALREADY told us that he does NOT want this JUNK.
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I think there is room here for a serious anti-Obama campaign AND other issues.
Well... keep your kooky 9/11 conspiracy theory diatribe out of it then. >:(
Thank you.
It's a free country and I'll talk about what I feel is important without any input from you, thank you very much. If what I feel is important is not allowed on this forum, that's a decision for Chaim and how he wants this forum run, not you.
Lubab- Firt off Jaaaman is new and a GOOD MAN. I REFUSE to bring DECENT AND Gd FEARING people here- just to get TRASHED, for SUPPORTING this nation, WHICH- Jaaaman IS RET. Military.
Secondly- Chaim ALREADY told us that he does NOT want this JUNK.
What I meant was: we'll see if Chaim wants to ban me for the questions I've raised.
But I will continue to raise issues I think are important. I just don't believe in muzzling people, that's all. No offense to Jaaman.
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It's a dangerous step.
Does this mean we can't oppose Bush or McCain for the poor way in which they're conducting the war on terror because it might hurt our Obama campaign. Do you see how this is a slippery slope.
I'm asking Chaim to reconsider.
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Re: The bin Ladens LEFT the USA on 9/22/01[/b]. For the THIRD time, AND renounced what bin laden
Please read my post more carefully before you go on attack mode. I said the "Saudi Royal Family" not the "Bin Ladin Family"
I'm talking about the BBQ and hand holding session he had with them (the biggest financers of terrorism on the planet) after 9-11!
He then told us the Saudis were "our friends" after they financed 9-11 (even ask Chaim...they gave the money needed for it).
If you don't question this man's sincerity after he pulls that crap then I don't see much of a point in talking to you about this.
Who cares if he "renounced what Bin Ladin did" if he just gave a pass to his financiers?!
Me....on "attack mode" PLEASE I am NOT even a moderator OR admin, and I am having to take up for these people (that have be-friended me) because in MY MESSAGES many good people want to LEAVE here because of this JUNK.
And, WHY ARE YOU BRINGING Chaim into an argument that he asked NOT to be discussed anymore? I will jump on ANYONE who keeps ATTACKING my nation- I consider this an affront on all military personnel that I have INVITED here.
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Lubab- Jaaaman is new and a GOOD MAN. I REFUSE to bring DECENT AND Gd FEARING people here- just to get TRASHED, for SUPPORTING this nation, WHICH- Jaaaman IS RET. Military.
Thanks Pookie! ;)
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It's a dangerous step.
Does this mean we can't oppose Bush or McCain for the poor way in which they're conducting the war on terror because it might hurt our Obama campaign. Do you see how this is a slippery slope.
I'm asking Chaim to reconsider.
McCain, MCCAIN.........HE IS NOT EVEN THE PRES. I am OUT of here
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Re: The bin Ladens LEFT the USA on 9/22/01[/b]. For the THIRD time, AND renounced what bin laden
Please read my post more carefully before you go on attack mode. I said the "Saudi Royal Family" not the "Bin Ladin Family"
I'm talking about the BBQ and hand holding session he had with them (the biggest financers of terrorism on the planet) after 9-11!
He then told us the Saudis were "our friends" after they financed 9-11 (even ask Chaim...they gave the money needed for it).
If you don't question this man's sincerity after he pulls that crap then I don't see much of a point in talking to you about this.
Who cares if he "renounced what Bin Ladin did" if he just gave a pass to his financiers?!
Me....on "attack mode" PLEASE I am NOT even a moderator OR admin, and I am having to take up for these people (that have be-friended me) because in MY MESSAGES many good people want to LEAVE here because of this JUNK.
And, WHY ARE YOU BRINGING Chaim into an argument that he asked NOT to be discussed anymore? I will jump on ANYONE who keeps ATTACKING my nation- I consider this an affront on all military personnel that I have INVITED here.
So I guess you believe any criticism of Bush are not allowed now, because for some odd reason Bush="the nation
We the people are the nation Paulette. The government is supposed to be OUR servant, not the other way around.
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Lubab- Jaaaman is new and a GOOD MAN. I REFUSE to bring DECENT AND Gd FEARING people here- just to get TRASHED, for SUPPORTING this nation, WHICH- Jaaaman IS RET. Military.
Thanks Pookie! ;)
Jaaaman- I DONT forget who had MY back after they BANNED MY show, and hung me out to dry. I KNOW you- you are the BEST BEST BEST of American AND Love Israel. I dont "do" JUNK.
Jaaaman is the BEST of USA. AND Gd FEARING.
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Re: The bin Ladens LEFT the USA on 9/22/01[/b]. For the THIRD time, AND renounced what bin laden
Please read my post more carefully before you go on attack mode. I said the "Saudi Royal Family" not the "Bin Ladin Family"
I'm talking about the BBQ and hand holding session he had with them (the biggest financers of terrorism on the planet) after 9-11!
He then told us the Saudis were "our friends" after they financed 9-11 (even ask Chaim...they gave the money needed for it).
If you don't question this man's sincerity after he pulls that crap then I don't see much of a point in talking to you about this.
Who cares if he "renounced what Bin Ladin did" if he just gave a pass to his financiers?!
Me....on "attack mode" PLEASE I am NOT even a moderator OR admin, and I am having to take up for these people (that have be-friended me) because in MY MESSAGES many good people want to LEAVE here because of this JUNK.
And, WHY ARE YOU BRINGING Chaim into an argument that he asked NOT to be discussed anymore? I will jump on ANYONE who keeps ATTACKING my nation- I consider this an affront on all military personnel that I have INVITED here.
So I guess you believe any criticism of Bush are not allowed now, because for some odd reason Bush="the nation
We the people are the nation Paulette. The government is supposed to be OUR servant, not the other way around.
How about I AM SICK and tired of 8 YEARS of TRASHING a PRES, AND I consider it SEDITION during WARTIME.
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How about I AM SICK and tired of 8 YEARS of TRASHING a PRES, AND I consider it SEDITION during WARTIME.
Amen! O0
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How about I AM SICK and tired of 8 YEARS of TRASHING a PRES, AND I consider it SEDITION during WARTIME.
Amen! O0
Thank You Jaaaman- Even though you MORE than did YOUR time, you have held YOUR peace, for a LONG time, when you had EVERY right, to speak- FAR MORE than some of the people here, YOU bring HONOR Jaaaman, SOME hell-bent on DISHONOR. >:(
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That is great Chaim O0
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Lubab... just to let you know, I removed the term 'kooky' from my earlier post. I apologize for that slanderous terminology.
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Lubab... just to let you know, I removed the term 'kooky' from my earlier post. I apologize for that slanderous terminology.
See how HONORABLE these Military men are!!!!!
GBYOU Jaaamannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn O0
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Paulette: " I apologize for that slanderous terminology."
A good beginning!
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Paulette: " I apologize for that slanderous terminology."
A good beginning!
Those were not Paulette's words, they were mine. ;)
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To assign blame where it does not belong while absolving those who perpetrated this crime, is a desecration of the memory of everyone who died that day. Nobody on our forum should even entertain the notion that 9/11 was not carried out by the greatest evil of our day: islam.
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Paulette: " I apologize for that slanderous terminology."
A good beginning!
Massuh- I dont slander people, just not my slice of cake.
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Re: The bin Ladens LEFT the USA on 9/22/01[/b]. For the THIRD time, AND renounced what bin laden
Please read my post more carefully before you go on attack mode. I said the "Saudi Royal Family" not the "Bin Ladin Family"
I'm talking about the BBQ and hand holding session he had with them (the biggest financers of terrorism on the planet) after 9-11!
He then told us the Saudis were "our friends" after they financed 9-11 (even ask Chaim...they gave the money needed for it).
If you don't question this man's sincerity after he pulls that crap then I don't see much of a point in talking to you about this.
Who cares if he "renounced what Bin Ladin did" if he just gave a pass to his financiers?!
Me....on "attack mode" PLEASE I am NOT even a moderator OR admin, and I am having to take up for these people (that have be-friended me) because in MY MESSAGES many good people want to LEAVE here because of this JUNK.
And, WHY ARE YOU BRINGING Chaim into an argument that he asked NOT to be discussed anymore? I will jump on ANYONE who keeps ATTACKING my nation- I consider this an affront on all military personnel that I have INVITED here.
So I guess you believe any criticism of Bush are not allowed now, because for some odd reason Bush="the nation
We the people are the nation Paulette. The government is supposed to be OUR servant, not the other way around.
Lubab, I think you're misinterpreting Paulette, and I think that you fail to see how insulting and damaging it is to accuse thousands of people of committing the worst evil on our own countrymen and 'blaming' islam for it. It will turn our movement into a joke, worse than the Ron paulites were a joke. These theories are in the tiny minority because they have no proof to back them up. It's insanity. People have a right to get offended by people who refuse to stop insisting on the theories. Do not twist this to mean no one can criticize bush or cheney or mccain, etc. No one is claiming that. We are talking about 9/11 "truth." I think this should be clear.
The 9/11 truthers often use this straw man to defend their lies. "but you want to muzzle criticism." No, we want to muzzle dishonest moonbattery that has been disproven and shown to be dishonest and unreliable in any number of sources, which JTF does not specialize in but certainly defers to as do most sane individuals (ie, physicists, engineers, firemen who fought the fires, etc etc who all disagree with the moon bat theories). There are tons of blogs out there who are anti- 9/11 moonbattery which anyone could look up. The evidence is overwhelming for the 9/11 tin-foil hats. Many convert out of the 9/11 cult once they are exposed to the information.
It is not JTF's job to go through it all and answer every 'question,' although I certainly plan on presenting some stuff to you on the forum that will hopefully lead to you DROPPING the subject - and this simply as a public service. A truly worthless subject and an insulting one to the American people .... It NEEDS to be dropped.
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What if you believe the Muslims did it but the government was totally incompetent/negligent in responding and you think they should held accountable for that?
What if the incompetence looks so hard to believe as to cause you to ask questions about the motives of the government in not doing all they could to stop these events?
Chaim I know even you yourself have expressed the opinion many times that the government did not do all they could do to stop these events. The FBI ignored your pleas to translate the documents held by the murderers of Rabbi Kahane which contained the blueprint for 9-11. You yourself question their motives.
No sane person can watch George W. Bush partying with the Saudi Royal family after 9-11 and tell the American people that "the Saudis are our friends" and "Islam is a religion of peace" and not think for moment that we need to take a closer look at this administration and what their motives really are.
If that makes you a "conspiracy kook" then I'm guilty as charged. But I think in reality it's kooky not to ask those questions.
More questions:
Would someone who ascribes to the Rabin conspiracy theory also be banned? In that case we might need to ban probably half the Israeli forum because last I checked half the Israeli does not believe Amir did it. If not, then what made that theory become "kosher" and others not?
For the above reasons I think this new rule is overly-broad and unfair and Chaim should reconsider it. JTF should be a place where even unpopular opinions can be debated as was always our policy. Our policy always was that if JTF is right, that should become clear through the process of debate and this process will "sharpen the skills of our JTF members". At least I thought this was always JTF's way.
P.S. It is important to note that I don't think any single person ever posting here, even those who believe 100% in 9-11 conspiracy theories ever once tried to in any way minimize the Islamic threat. If we didn't believe Islam was a huge threat we wouldn't be here supporting JTF. The only disagreement here is to what extent OTHER non-Islamic governments actively or passively support that Islamic threat. That is a perfectly legitimate debate to have, in my opinion.
Lubab...THe US govt did not CAUSE 9/11. Crazy Murderous Muslims caused 9/11. At worse, the US govt, Democrat and Republican were ignorant and if there is anything they are guilty of, it is neglegence, political correctness, gluttony, and greed. But Bush nor Clinton caused 9/11...Only their ignorance resulted in the actual enemy getting away with it. IT is so obvious that it makes anyone else who thinks otherwise look ridiculous..and Lubab, you aren't a ridiculous person...don't damage your reputation with the conspiracy nuts...They are so off and so wrong..don't let conspiracy theorists convince that the sky is really green and not blue...
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Chaim asked this morning that this subject be dropped. If JTF is going to paint itself into a corner hosting conspiracy theory's that even a five year old can see through JTF will never get to be a mass movement. Please respect Chaim's wishes and put an end to this type of post.
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Re: The bin Ladens LEFT the USA on 9/22/01[/b]. For the THIRD time, AND renounced what bin laden
Please read my post more carefully before you go on attack mode. I said the "Saudi Royal Family" not the "Bin Ladin Family"
I'm talking about the BBQ and hand holding session he had with them (the biggest financers of terrorism on the planet) after 9-11!
He then told us the Saudis were "our friends" after they financed 9-11 (even ask Chaim...they gave the money needed for it).
If you don't question this man's sincerity after he pulls that crap then I don't see much of a point in talking to you about this.
Who cares if he "renounced what Bin Ladin did" if he just gave a pass to his financiers?!
Me....on "attack mode" PLEASE I am NOT even a moderator OR admin, and I am having to take up for these people (that have be-friended me) because in MY MESSAGES many good people want to LEAVE here because of this JUNK.
And, WHY ARE YOU BRINGING Chaim into an argument that he asked NOT to be discussed anymore? I will jump on ANYONE who keeps ATTACKING my nation- I consider this an affront on all military personnel that I have INVITED here.
So I guess you believe any criticism of Bush are not allowed now, because for some odd reason Bush="the nation
We the people are the nation Paulette. The government is supposed to be OUR servant, not the other way around.
Lubab, I think you're misinterpreting Paulette, and I think that you fail to see how insulting and damaging it is to accuse thousands of people of committing the worst evil on our own countrymen and 'blaming' islam for it. It will turn our movement into a joke, worse than the Ron paulites were a joke. These theories are in the tiny minority because they have no proof to back them up. It's insanity. People have a right to get offended by people who refuse to stop insisting on the theories. Do not twist this to mean no one can criticize bush or cheney or mccain, etc. No one is claiming that. We are talking about 9/11 "truth." I think this should be clear.
The 9/11 truthers often use this straw man to defend their lies. "but you want to muzzle criticism." No, we want to muzzle dishonest moonbattery that has been disproven and shown to be dishonest and unreliable in any number of sources, which JTF does not specialize in but certainly defers to as do most sane individuals (ie, physicists, engineers, firemen who fought the fires, etc etc who all disagree with the moon bat theories). There are tons of blogs out there who are anti- 9/11 moonbattery which anyone could look up. The evidence is overwhelming for the 9/11 tin-foil hats. Many convert out of the 9/11 cult once they are exposed to the information.
It is not JTF's job to go through it all and answer every 'question,' although I certainly plan on presenting some stuff to you on the forum that will hopefully lead to you DROPPING the subject - and this simply as a public service. A truly worthless subject and an insulting one to the American people .... It NEEDS to be dropped.
Perhaps but you have to remember that the "war on terror" is being heavily twisted for certain "agendas", why do you think Obama and Clinton support the patriot act just like Mccain and Bush do? Why infringe on constitutional rights when we could eliminate the problem by just kicking the muslims out of the country?
http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
FactCheck: Promised to repeal Patriot Act, then voted for it. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Did you know left wing organization the Brady Campaign is trying to ban .50 caliber sniper rifles for civilian use claiming their being marketed to terrorists? Their using the war on terror for their own agenda
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=50cal
http://www.50caliberterror.com/
From their own website
I quote
"The .50 Caliber Sniper Rifle puts us all at risk whenever we fly in an airplane. These powerful sniper rifles which were designed for the battlefield to puncture armor and destroy targets from long range are easier to get than a handgun in the United States.
Why should we be spending billions of dollars on homeland security when a terrorist can buy a sniper rifle that can shoot armor piercing bullets up to 2000 yards with great accuracy? Why do we permit the sale of a weapon that is powerful enough to threaten civilian airplanes taxiing on the runway or during landing and takeoff? These weapons have been listed by authorities as a serious threat against our nuclear and chemical plants. Your safety is at stake because these weapons are so readily available.
.50 Caliber sniper rifles are a terrorist's dream come true considering the death and destruction they could inflict. If you are fed up with gun manufacturers who put profits before homeland security, join our national campaign NOW! Click Here To Join >>"
Brady Campaign doesn't care about terrorists, they want to take away our 2nd amendment rights and our right to bear arms in the excuse of terrorism.
Why are we friends with Saudi Arabia and sending money to Egypt?
Sure we can say it's political correctness, but the current politicians in power have sold us down the river and have thrown the constitution down the trash.
Is that a conspiracy theory that certain people want to twist the war on terror so they can take our rights away? I think not. The problem isn't the constitution, it is terrorists and the leaders who refuse to do anything but insist on destroying our constitution by watering it down so much, we may as well not have one.
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chaim... i just don't understand... on another thread you said you believe that the amer. gov. is evil... so if you do... why don't you bel. it is possible for them to do evil things...? like plan and use al qaeda to do 9/11...? one statement naturally goes with the other... it flows seamlessly together... nik. out...
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Chaim... I am slowly realizing that what the others say about you is true.
You are an extremely intelligent man. :)
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hey bry... man... where you been...? you said you had a lotta mo for li'l ol' me... so what up dude...? bring it... nik.
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chaim... i just don't understand... on another thread you said you believe that the amer. gov. is evil... so if you do... why don't you bel. it is possible for them to do evil things...? like plan and use al qaeda to do 9/11...? one statement naturally goes with the other... it flows seamlessly together... nik. out...
Nik... I thought you couldn't get any dumber... but once again, you never stop amazing me.
I think plenty of entities are EVIL... but I don't go blaming them for something Muslims did BECAUSE my opnions of them.
By the way... did you know that Ahmadinjad was responsible for Hurricane Katrina?
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hey bry... man... where you been...? you said you had a lotta mo for li'l ol' me... so what up dude...? bring it... nik.
I've been losing money in Vegas. ;( Just got back.
Nik... I told Lubab that I would only go into detail and refute all the Conspiracy points about 1 of his 8 questions he had. And I would only do it for that one question. I typed an enormous amount of info. But I have a job and a family.. so I cant do that all the time.
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hey bry... man... where you been...? you said you had a lotta mo for li'l ol' me... so what up dude...? bring it... nik.
I've been losing money in Vegas. ;( Just got back.
Nik... I told Lubab that I would only go into detail and refute all the Conspiracy points about 1 of his 8 questions he had. And I would only do it for that one question. I typed an enormous amount of info. But I have a job and a family.. so I cant do that all the time.
nik, go to the chatroom on paltalk, you can argue all day long. www.paltalk.com you will hav PLENTY of people that will unfortunately agree with you. How ya been though otherize, Nik? I hope well.
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Meanwhile, I see nik is still perservering in his insanity, with the support of a moderator !
Here's some of the perverse insanity posted by nik in the 9/11 nagging questions thread:
look what you guys are missing here... is that none of the planes that hit targets... i.e. only the twin towers were actually hit by any aircraft... but neither of them were the planes that they appeared to be... they were painted to look like those planes from a quick glance people had or might have had of them as they flew past and into their targets.... they were military planes flown by remote control... and on both undersides of these carriers missiles were attached and shot into each bldg. before impact by the planes...
what happened to the real 2 planes is simple... they landed wherever they were sent off to when all planes were being grounded and ordered out of the sky... these 2 planes in all the turmoil and chaos were lost track of and this enabled the part of the military in on the hit against amer. to sequester these two planes wherever in a hangar and then kill the passengers and destroy the plane...
And there's a so-called moderator actively involved in and supporting this insanity under the guise of resolving 'nagging questions' and playing 'devil's advocate'. This same moderator, Lubab, expresses the opinion that the koranimals murdering people in Israel are 'real terrorists', inferring that the ones that acted on 9/11 weren't 'real terrorists'. I guess they were just stooges of the Bush/Cheney/CIA/Mossad/neocon conspirators who are the real culprits !
Now I ask you, how does JTF realistically plan to become a mass movement when it has moderators that hold similar beliefs and approve of the ridiculous, rambling, delusional insanity exhibited in this thread ??
The answer is JTF is going nowhere. :(
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I agree, these insane conspiracy kooks should be banned.
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Paulette: "Massuh- I dont slander people, just not my slice of cake."
What then is your slice of cake while slandering others?
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Paulette: "Massuh- I dont slander people, just not my slice of cake."
What then is your slice of cake while slandering others?
Massuh- IF you can FIND where I have done this, I will certainly remove the post. I DONT do THAT. Where can you PROVE that I did this? WHO THE HELL HAVE I SLANDERED? WHO? WHO!
Oh- EXCUSE me... I said "GET A GRIP", and called 'people' Ungrateful brats' (which they WERE acting like it).. I called lieberman a troll (which he is)
Massuh- are you just wanting to scream and yell at me? Then send it to me in a PM, because this is HARDLY the place. I did NOT 'ask' to have ANYBODY 'banned' I DONT DO THAT- if even this is some insinuation- I CAN HOLD my OWN now, I am the ONE that CONSISTANTLY gets PMs from people asking things of my PERSONAL life, and WHY am I 'not' more religious, and WHY why why... You know what- I AM A NICE PERSON, I AM VERY NICE, Ask David- he CAN tell you if you wish to REALLY know, David is an EXCELLENT man, and would definately NOT pick some nasty witch woman. DONT ACCUSE ME OF THINGS I DO NOT DO. you tell ME what is right and WRONG here.
This IS the DEFINITION OF SLANDER: a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.
Again, WHO THE HELL HAVE I DONE THIS TO THAT I MAY REPENT.
I DONT EVER DO THIS.
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Nik... I thought you couldn't get any dumber... but once again, you never stop amazing me.
I think plenty of entities are EVIL... but I don't go blaming them for something Muslims did BECAUSE my opnions of them.
By the way... did you know that Ahmadinjad was responsible for Hurricane Katrina?
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You know I always wondered about that. Kind of makes sense now.
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Re: "By the way... did you know that Ahmadinjad was responsible for Hurricane Katrina?"
You know, you're not the only one who knows this!
The Mohammedan Drek Society of New Orleans smuggled him into the Gulf region with new technology which created the Katrina disaster.
Then, when he got back home, he immediately called the local Muslim newspapers and told them to write "The JEW did it!"
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Nik... I thought you couldn't get any dumber... but once again, you never stop amazing me.
I think plenty of entities are EVIL... but I don't go blaming them for something Muslims did BECAUSE my opnions of them.
By the way... did you know that Ahmadinjad was responsible for Hurricane Katrina?
You know I always wondered about that. Kind of makes sense now.
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Shamgar- I think you are a nice person, but, is this how you would talk to your minister at your church? I DONT think so. I have to tell you that this is very WRONG , to call someone 'dumb' ok?
Nik- whether you like his opinions or not, IS a Rabbi. Does it not say in your N.T. that they called Jesus a Rabbi? I believe I am correct. "Rabbioni"
See, I find it a necessity to read your book, I have to as of late, to make sure that Christian people are really reading it themselves. I DONT mean ANY disrespect, Shamgar- but I really adore and love Nik, and I wish that he was MY Rabbi- the way he REALLY DOES love people, A LOT. People miss that about him, BUT I DONT. Please dont call him names like this- "Get a Grip" is one thing, but to call someone 'dumb' is not right, especially when Nik is EXTREMELY intelligent. PLEASE dont do this. Please?
SORRY Briann---- SORRY!
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Well I guess I clickie clickied wrong. Not to throw briann under the bus, but that is actually his quote. I don't know why it shows me. I just added the last sentence at the bottom.
I learned not to call anyone names after calling Massuh an improper name. I have been trying to be very good. :'(
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Well I guess I clickie clickied wrong. Not to throw briann under the bus, but that is actually his quote. I don't know why it shows me. I just added the last sentence at the bottom.
I learned not to call anyone names after calling Massuh an improper name. I have been trying to be very good. :'(
Shamgar- I see your heart, I know. Nik is a fabulous person, he REALLY is. He is very smart- Massuh is really brilliant. BELIEVE ME- when I tell you I have gotten WAY beyond mad, and deleted posts all together. Nobody is perfect. I try to be 'good' I fail many times, all day long, regardless. GB you.
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Have to agree with Chaim's rule. This forum was starting to look like the Alex Jones Prison Planet forum. The things that have been posted here lately are pretty wild. Who can forget "the pope ordered 9/11"? ;D
But seriously, the #1 reason to ban conspiracy kookiness is because 100% of these "truthers" are ferocious anti-Semites whose versions of history always come down to blaming the Jews--i.e. that the 19 hijackers crashed the planes on orders from Bush, who in turn was ordered by the Mossad, etc.
I have not encountered one "truther" who is not a hardcore Nazi.
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People who want to believe in every conspiracy refuse to believe in to reality.
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and so there you have it... folks... spoken like the true geniuses you all really are... meanwhile the world gets colder, darker and more evil by the minute... and the real culprits get away with perpetrating all this sickness because people refuse to think them capable of doing anything nefarious... pearl harbor has been proven to be an inside-job... the jfk assas. has been shown to be a consp. viet nam has been outed as to have been started by a lie... (gulf of tonkin incident)... watergate wasn't just a burglary but a break-in to suppress evid. from what the bay of pigs affair was really all about... and of course iran-contra proved the existence of an off-the-shelf shadow gov. running foreign affairs in this country and actually helping an enemy... iran... get weapons... they all got caught with their fingers in the ol' proverbial cookie-jar... jonathan pollard went to jail over discovering this and blowing the whistel on it and over discovering that al qaeda is a monster... frankenstein... created by the cia/nsa along the lines of the ss nazis of ww2... another terrorist group produced by the slime shadow gov. here to do their bidding for them and all their dirty work... so pollard gets the key thrown away on him but nobody goes down hard for sedition and high treason for selling our most dangerous enemy iran the weapons and nuke tech. they need to destr. isr.... but sure i get it... i need banning... makes perfect sense to me... nik. out...
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and so there you have it... folks... spoken like the true geniuses you all really are... meanwhile the world gets colder, darker and more evil by the minute... and the real culprits get away with perpetrating all this sickness because people refuse to think them capable of doing aything nefarious... pearl harbor has been proven to be an inside-job... the jfk assas. has been shown to be a consp. viet nam has been outed as to have been started by a lie... (gulf of tonkin incident)... watergate wasn't just a burglary but a break-in to suppress evid. from what the bay of pigs affair was really all about... and of course iran-contra proved the existence of an off-the-shelf shadow gov. running foreign affairs in this country and actually helping an enemy... iran... get weapons... they all got caught with their fingers in the ol' proverbial cookie-jar... jonathan pollard went to jail over discovering this and blowing the whistel on it and over discovering that al qaeda is a monster... frankenstein... created by the cia/nsa along the lines of the ss nazis of ww2... another terrorist group produced by the slime shadow gov. here to do their bidding for them and all their dirty work... so pollard gets the key thrown away on him but nobody goes down hard for sedition and high treason for selling our most dangerous enemy iran the weapons and nuke tech. they need to destr. isr.... but sure i get it... i need banning... makes perfect sense to me... nik. out...
Nik, give me your honest opinion:
Do you think that Fred Rogers was a:
1) Navy Seal?
2) Heroin addict?
3) Pedophile?
4) Saint?
5) Other?
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but sure i get it... i need banning... makes perfect sense to me... nik. out...
You need a 'spanking'.
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right and the pope wears pants like the rest of us... nik.
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Nik, I am starting to think you are secretly in-love with the pontiff. :D
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right and the pope wears pants like the rest of us... nik.
What?
Please answer my question about Fred Rogers.
There are five choices as I recall.
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Nik, give me your honest opinion:
Do you think that Fred Rogers was a:
1) Navy Seal?
2) Heroin addict?
3) Pedophile?
4) Saint?
5) Other?
ROTFLMAO :::D
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Nik, give me your honest opinion:
Do you think that Fred Rogers was a:
1) Navy Seal?
2) Heroin addict?
3) Pedophile?
4) Saint?
5) Other?
ROTFLMAO :::D
What's your answer, CF?
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yeah that must be it... nik.
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Ban Nik Now!
He has violated every warning ever given to him. If anyone is evil it is Nik. This man cannot listen to any rules. His ravings look and sound like the droolings of a lunatic. Please spare us his insanity.
Goodbye nik! Goodnight!
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Reality check: People insinuating that folks like Nik, Massuh or myself are "anti-semites" "wish to join with anti-semites" or "whitewash Islam" sound just as "kooky" as anyone else here.
You are dealing with G-d fearing Jews who love the Jewish people and hate Islam and all the enemies of the Jewish people more than you will ever know.
You should be ashamed of yourself to speak that way just because some have a SLIGHTLY different view than you do about who is working WITH Islam against the rest of us and who isn't.
And yes I said "SLIGHTLY" because the differences ARE slight.
For instance, consider the following:
If you believe Bush was negligent on 9-11 you're a great JTFer.
If you believe he was WILLFULLY negligent you're a "kook" and for some reason become an enemy of this movement and the Jewish people.
If you believe Bush aided the Saudi terrorist regime who funded the 9-11 attacks AFTER 9-11 with his "Saudis are our friends" speech -you're a great JTFer.
If you dare entertain the possibility that he aided them BEFORE the attacks by helping them carry it out-you're a "kook" and are suddenly an enemy of the Jewish people.
I suspect that friendships that fail so quickly when such slight differences arise between us probably weren't real friendships to begin with. I hope you will prove me wrong.
Loving your fellow as you love yourself is the entire Torah. It's not "love your fellow who thinks exactly like you do" and the rest be damned (or banned). That commandment becomes most applicable precisely when you are confronted with a viewpoint that to you seems "kooky".
For goodness sakes, some of us believe in entirely different religions! And yet we overlook those differences and unite against a common enemy in defense of a righteous cause that we all agree on. This, I thought, was what the essence of JTF was all about.
I can't speak for Nik or Massuh or anyone else, but I am willing to overlook those differences and unite with you against our common enemies. Let's see if you feel the same way.
The ball is in your court now.
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Reality check: People insinuating that folks like Nik, Massuh or myself are "anti-semites" "wish to join with anti-semites" or "whitewash Islam" sound just as "kooky" as anyone else here.
You are dealing with G-d fearing Jews who love the Jewish people and hate Islam and all the enemies of the Jewish people more than you will ever know.
You should be ashamed of yourself to speak that way just because some have a SLIGHTLY different view than you do about who is working WITH Islam against the rest of us and who isn't.
And yes I said "SLIGHTLY" because the differences ARE slight.
For instance, consider the following:
If you believe Bush was negligent on 9-11 you're a great JTFer.
If you believe he was WILLFULLY negligent you're a "kook" and for some reason become an enemy of this movement and the Jewish people.
If you believe Bush aided the Saudi terrorist regime who funded the 9-11 attacks AFTER 9-11 with his "Saudis are our friends" speech -you're a great JTFer.
If you dare entertain the possibility that he aided them BEFORE the attacks by helping them carry it out-you're a "kook" and are suddenly an enemy of the Jewish people.
I suspect that friendships that fail so quickly when such slight differences arise between us probably weren't real friendships to begin with. I hope you will prove me wrong.
Loving your fellow as you love yourself is the entire Torah. It's not "love your fellow who thinks exactly like you do" and the rest be damned (or banned). That commandment becomes most applicable precisely when you are confronted with a viewpoint that to you seem "kooky".
For goodness sakes, some of us believe in entirely different religions! And yet we overlook those differences and unite against a common enemy in defense of a righteous cause that we all agree on. This, I thought, was what the essence of JTF was all about.
I can't speak for Nik or Massuh or anyone else, but I am willing to overlook those differences and unite with you against our common enemies. Let's see if you feel the same way.
Lubab, even if Bush ordered the attacks on September the Eleventh, Two Thousand One, who cares?
WE are to blame for not sticking up for liberty.
We're too comfortable.
It's all over, all over. What a legacy, what a legacy.
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Re: "Bush ordered the attacks on September the Eleventh, Two Thousand One"
OH MY G-D! OH MY G-D! LOOK WHAT WAS JUST SAID ABOUT OUR BELOVED PRESIDENT!
OH MY G-D! AREN'T ANY JTF MEMBERS GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS?
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Re: "Bush ordered the attacks on September the Eleventh, Two Thousand One"
OH MY G-D! OH MY G-D! LOOK WHAT WAS JUST SAID ABOUT OUR BELOVED PRESIDENT!
OH MY G-D! AREN'T ANY JTF MEMBERS GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS?
Masuh, your IQ is too high to overlook IMPORTANT words.
I said, 'even if'. You saw that, what's your game?
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What's your answer, CF?
I'll go with "Navy Seal".
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Reality check: People insinuating that folks like Nik, Massuh or myself are "anti-semites" "wish to join with anti-semites" or "whitewash Islam" sound just as "kooky" as anyone else here.
You are dealing with G-d fearing Jews who love the Jewish people and hate Islam and all the enemies of the Jewish people more than you will ever know.
You should be ashamed of yourself to speak that way just because some have a SLIGHTLY different view than you do about who is working WITH Islam against the rest of us and who isn't.
And yes I said "SLIGHTLY" because the differences ARE slight.
For instance, consider the following:
If you believe Bush was negligent on 9-11 you're a great JTFer.
If you believe he was WILLFULLY negligent you're a "kook" and for some reason become an enemy of this movement and the Jewish people.
If you believe Bush aided the Saudi terrorist regime who funded the 9-11 attacks AFTER 9-11 with his "Saudis are our friends" speech -you're a great JTFer.
If you dare entertain the possibility that he aided them BEFORE the attacks by helping them carry it out-you're a "kook" and are suddenly an enemy of the Jewish people.
I suspect that friendships that fail so quickly when such slight differences arise between us probably weren't real friendships to begin with. I hope you will prove me wrong.
Loving your fellow as you love yourself is the entire Torah. It's not "love your fellow who thinks exactly like you do" and the rest be damned (or banned). That commandment becomes most applicable precisely when you are confronted with a viewpoint that to you seem "kooky".
For goodness sakes, some of us believe in entirely different religions! And yet we overlook those differences and unite against a common enemy in defense of a righteous cause that we all agree on. This, I thought, was what the essence of JTF was all about.
I can't speak for Nik or Massuh or anyone else, but I am willing to overlook those differences and unite with you against our common enemies. Let's see if you feel the same way.
Lubab, even if Bush ordered the attacks on September the Eleventh, Two Thousand One, who cares?
WE are to blame for not sticking up for liberty.
We're too comfortable.
It's all over, all over. What a legacy, what a legacy.
Lubab,
Nik has been warned several times. Nobody is telling him what to think. If he wants to enlighten the world, let him do it, but just not here. There is no evidence to support your assertions . There are many places you can spout your lunacy, but why waste everyone elses time. We come here because we want to defeat Obama, not because we want to learn about a persons mental problems. Seriously, this is getting crazy.
muman613
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My question is what the heck you guys really think you are accomplishing?
You accomplish nothing but dividing our group once again. Nobody with half a brain thinks that Bush is behind 9/11, at least nobody I know. And because I am family of 9/11 victims I know 9/11 victims and none I know believe this crepe. You are just another Bush-Hater who is trying to place blame where none can be placed. The idiocy of thinking our government was behind it is just hysterical.
muman613
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I just dont want to hear this slime here... Go tell everyone else whats on your mind, and you can find people to give you a pat on the back for your craziness. I am not going to countenance it for another day.
muman613
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Reality check: People insinuating that folks like Nik, Massuh or myself are "anti-semites" "wish to join with anti-semites" or "whitewash Islam" sound just as "kooky" as anyone else here.
You are dealing with G-d fearing Jews who love the Jewish people and hate Islam and all the enemies of the Jewish people more than you will ever know.
You should be ashamed of yourself to speak that way just because some have a SLIGHTLY different view than you do about who is working WITH Islam against the rest of us and who isn't.
And yes I said "SLIGHTLY" because the differences ARE slight.
For instance, consider the following:
If you believe Bush was negligent on 9-11 you're a great JTFer.
If you believe he was WILLFULLY negligent you're a "kook" and for some reason become an enemy of this movement and the Jewish people.
If you believe Bush aided the Saudi terrorist regime who funded the 9-11 attacks AFTER 9-11 with his "Saudis are our friends" speech -you're a great JTFer.
If you dare entertain the possibility that he aided them BEFORE the attacks by helping them carry it out-you're a "kook" and are suddenly an enemy of the Jewish people.
I suspect that friendships that fail so quickly when such slight differences arise between us probably weren't real friendships to begin with. I hope you will prove me wrong.
Loving your fellow as you love yourself is the entire Torah. It's not "love your fellow who thinks exactly like you do" and the rest be damned (or banned). That commandment becomes most applicable precisely when you are confronted with a viewpoint that to you seems "kooky".
For goodness sakes, some of us believe in entirely different religions! And yet we overlook those differences and unite against a common enemy in defense of a righteous cause that we all agree on. This, I thought, was what the essence of JTF was all about.
I can't speak for Nik or Massuh or anyone else, but I am willing to overlook those differences and unite with you against our common enemies. Let's see if you feel the same way.
The ball is in your court now.
Lubab, if you believe I disrespected you, I am sorry- please accept my apology? I believe what I saw, I just cant be changed- you feel the way you feel, and I dont want to be a 'bully' I very much enjoy most of your wisdom, and I mean this. I never meant to offend anyone.
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Nobody with half a brain thinks that Bush is behind 9/11, at least nobody I know. And because I am family of 9/11 victims I know 9/11 victims and none I know believe this crepe.
Meet one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtU69oWVNJY
(ignore the rest of video...just for the first part)
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Reality check: People insinuating that folks like Nik, Massuh or myself are "anti-semites" "wish to join with anti-semites" or "whitewash Islam" sound just as "kooky" as anyone else here.
You are dealing with G-d fearing Jews who love the Jewish people and hate Islam and all the enemies of the Jewish people more than you will ever know.
You should be ashamed of yourself to speak that way just because some have a SLIGHTLY different view than you do about who is working WITH Islam against the rest of us and who isn't.
And yes I said "SLIGHTLY" because the differences ARE slight.
For instance, consider the following:
If you believe Bush was negligent on 9-11 you're a great JTFer.
If you believe he was WILLFULLY negligent you're a "kook" and for some reason become an enemy of this movement and the Jewish people.
If you believe Bush aided the Saudi terrorist regime who funded the 9-11 attacks AFTER 9-11 with his "Saudis are our friends" speech -you're a great JTFer.
If you dare entertain the possibility that he aided them BEFORE the attacks by helping them carry it out-you're a "kook" and are suddenly an enemy of the Jewish people.
I suspect that friendships that fail so quickly when such slight differences arise between us probably weren't real friendships to begin with. I hope you will prove me wrong.
Loving your fellow as you love yourself is the entire Torah. It's not "love your fellow who thinks exactly like you do" and the rest be damned (or banned). That commandment becomes most applicable precisely when you are confronted with a viewpoint that to you seems "kooky".
For goodness sakes, some of us believe in entirely different religions! And yet we overlook those differences and unite against a common enemy in defense of a righteous cause that we all agree on. This, I thought, was what the essence of JTF was all about.
I can't speak for Nik or Massuh or anyone else, but I am willing to overlook those differences and unite with you against our common enemies. Let's see if you feel the same way.
The ball is in your court now.
Lubab, if you believe I disrespected you, I am sorry- please accept my apology? I believe what I saw, I just cant be changed- you feel the way you feel, and I dont want to be a 'bully' I very much enjoy most of your wisdom, and I mean this. I never meant to offend anyone.
No worries, Paulette. I forgive you.
But remember: what you "saw" and what you "heard" are two very different things.
We all saw the same event. It's only what happened behind the scenes that is being debated.
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This is getting insane. You have to have some basic foundation for:
A. What you think reality is
B. What the groundrules of a normal debate is
C. How you see the world
Honestly, if I start saying people are pumpkins and pumpkins are giraffes and therefore whales are coming home for cookie mattresses, you can't talk with me. This is what we are bordering on. How can you believe in G-D, how America was founded, how Israel was founded, what Rabbi Kahane believed if you question every last thing about Pearl Harbor, JFK, RFK, WW1 etc which were well documented events? Sane intellectuals, historians and people from all walks of life and from every political angle who know about these subjects and have studied these subjects, can lay the basic understandings for debate. Sometimes there are new breakthroughs in what we know but kookiness is ignored because they ignore questions and move on to the next one.
Couldn't the USA been founded by aliens? You weren't there, prove it didn't happen and I'll use every hole in our historical knowledge to prove my point. These debates never end because they rely on unanswered, irrelevant questions that cannot be answered and don't need to be answered 99.9999999% of the time.
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Lubab,
I dont want to get into this. You are entitled to believe what you want. But this is getting sick.
Ill put in on the line here:
I work hard each day, break my arse going to work, working hard, and breaking my arse to go home. Each day, for years and years. I pay a heck of a lot of taxes and I think this country is the best thing in the world. I dont lack any good. I have what I want because I have been given opportunities greater than any of my forefathers. If you expect me for one second to not appreciate the blessings I have in this country, you are definately talking to the wrong guy. My brother worked for Cantor Fitzgerald. He made more than a million bucks a year on the 105th floor of the World Trade Center. He was an ambitious guy who worked hard like me. He was able to realize his dream here in America. As you know he died on 9/11 from a terrorist attack. You expect me to buy this garbage? No I wont. I will not agree with this, nor will I allow it in my presence. Nor will I allow it to infect the people I hold dear to me. I have come to blows because someone had made a comment to the effect that USA was really behind 9/11. I have looked at the facts. I have read the findings. There are always holes in the reports and you can believe that some sinister cabal is really behind it. If it isnt the Jews, its the Church, if not the Church its Neo-cons {jews}, if not neo-cons its the Masons. Everyone walks around blaming it on whatever they dont like about themselves.
So if you dont understand, Im sorry. I have tried to explain this to both you and nik. And it seemed that Chaim was saying this kind of stuff was not beneficial to JTF or JewsAgainstObama.
muman613
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Let's cut the crap.
People who lost loved ones on September the Eleventh, Two Thousand One are becoming angry with all this nonsense.
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Nik--I have nothing more to say to you. If you want to believe that Chaim Ben Pesach is an alien inhabiting a Jew's body, that's your prerogative.
Lubab--I continue to struggle to make sense of you. Why are these conspiracies to important to you? They don't make one iota of sense, and all of them blame the Mossad or Jews in some way for 9-11--every one.
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We should end this discussion without a result in order to protect ourselves.
I am no prophet, but I predict that this new discussion will split us again if this continues. :(
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OK. Enought. I have decided to lock this thread. >:(
OOOPSSS, didn't work. I've lost my special powers...
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and this is exactly the point... you all are just way too full of yourselves... a little humility would be in order... and just what the good doctor ordered i have just the prescription for what's ailing you all... the post which was pulled last night...
i said something to the effect that ... "i never said the muzzies didn't do 9/11... they did... just at a lower rung on the ol' food chain... bec. how could you think that a bunch of throwbacks from the 7th century could pull off a job like this without major help...? i mean even if they did do what is said about them... they still couldn't have engineered the prez. to cover for them... to refuse to initiate an investigation until enraged families of the victims put on major heat... and then to wish to appoint kissinger to head it...? until that idea got washed out to sea by howls from all corners... i mean think... do some critical thinking... why were the bin ladens and royal saw-dusts allowed to fly on 9/11 and 12 while all the rest of us were grounded...? why were they allowed to leave the country 10 days later without being interrogated by the fbi as it was already known that the 19 terrorists were mostly saudis... and therefore these jerks were all prime-rib suspects...?"
and there's more to be asked... why wasn't anything done when the ambas. from s.a. "bandar-bush's" wife ... a princess was discovered to have funneled money to these terrorist groups leading up to 9/11... and what about the mysterious death of one of the royals who had been in wash. then...? and over in pakistan when the head of the cia-equiv. over there the isi was in wash. speaking to cabinet members the day before or the day of 9/11... and the money trail of approx. $200,000 led from him directly to one of the terrorists...? and then he all of a sudden "retired" shortly thereafter...?
these are all serious freaking questions and have nothing to do with consp. kooks... they are quest. everybody should want answered to our satisfaction of "heads will roll..." what is the matter with you people...? why are you so braindead...? it's the fear... isn't it... the fear that you'll have to stand up and put yourself at risk when these answers come back as peoving the slime did it all... right...? you're all afraid... just admit it... i am too... but that's not the point... we can't let these animals get away with this and render the rest of us abject groveling serfs with no right even to exist let alone lift our heads and speak out... nik. out...
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Nik, Chaim just said on Ask JTF that he doesn't want any more conspiracy threads here. Why won't you respect his wishes?
This thread is being locked.