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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: nikmatdam on July 25, 2008, 02:16:14 PM
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the slime devised and set in motion both systems in various parts of the world... all as a tool to deny mankind their basic rights of freedom and liberty... the real deal of these inalienable human rights... not the sham stuff we think we all have... and this is accomplished by legislating from men the freedoms and liberties within their man-made laws in defiance of the source of all these rights which is from G-d...
so both systems deny the existence of G-d and/or diminish His capacity to rule... by destroying the monarchies in place in the old czarist russia and earlier on in france and england and by extention over the american colonies... the slime destroyed the one power which could stop them (not that they ever were really aligned to help the common man)... therefore that which the slime knew was their main threat they do away with... that is why there is an eternal war against the torah and the jews who keep it...
but in general protestant or even catholic monarchies were an ultimate threat to plans for world domination by the slime who assumed all the power from the fall or collapse of the old greek and roman empires... and so they devised a strategy to maintain and keep the system of serfdom and abject slavery alive after they lost ultimate power when rome fell...
the holy roman empire was a stopgap measure until they could get back into full control... they did this by insidiously worming their way into the good graces of the kingdoms which arose all over europe by the vacuum of power created with the demise of the roman empire...
this fall from totalitarian domination is why the slime saw fit to also reach out to the eastern satraps of the power base of the persian/babylonian empire... (we're speaking of the time period between 450 C.E. and 650 C.E.)... and they devised a way to undermine that system beyond their clutches of hegemony and domination... by finding someone who could implement a vatican-like system of religious coercion and slavery to enthrall the masses there and latch it onto their hidden yet ultimate hand of control... and by this means of enslaving the minds of these more free (at the time) segments of humanity than the european/greek/roman counterpart-peoples... by building this up from 650 C.E. or so onward they were eventually able to overthrow the more benign for mankind ruling classes of this entire region and thus place these co-slime of theirs in power upon the thrones of this vast tract of earth's real estate...
and from there and then on all went swimmingly for them until the reformation of 1519-40... they were ensconced in power all over the world... decimating and torturing the jews... the major threat to the ascendency of their "truth" and personal fortune of regalia and of course genociding the rest of the planet as much as needed to keep the population down to a manageable level in order to ensure and enable them to exert and wield the maximum tyrannical stranglehold over the world humanly possible at that time... over both mind and body... (to be contined)... nik. out...
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Agreed 100% we can't allow Muslims the same rights we can't allow intermarriage and we can't allow immorality which is a contradiction to Democracy
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Ayy... Nik... You REALLY need to take a history class..... but then again.. Im sure you wouldn't beleive anything the history teacher would say... so maybe not.
Shouldnt you be on vacation????
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(Didn't read your post) But the title does make sense and I agree with the title.
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We are not a democracy, we are a republic.
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We are not a democracy, we are a republic.
It's supposed to be a Constitutional Republic but people have been misled into believing that the proper term is "democracy".
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Ayy... Nik... You REALLY need to take a history class..... but then again.. Im sure you wouldn't beleive anything the history teacher would say... so maybe not.
Shouldnt you be on vacation????
Are you saying that nothing of what he stated occurred?
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ok... so now... with the reformation (1519-40) the vatican almost was completely decimated... they were severely inflicted with an array of devastating losses and reversals and papal armies were routed all over europe... they appeared to be over... as good as done... until that is... the advent of ignatius loyola and the jesuit-led counter reformation backlash hit with a fury and a vengeance...
and ever since then... slowly but surely the tide has been turning back toward the totalitarian ironfisted-rule of the universal (catholic) church of rome... until our day and age where they are poised on the very precipice and threshold of the final realization of the nimrod-created-and-led vision of rebellion against G-d and the coronation and crowning of a tiny oligarchic elite class upon the throne of G-d for all eternity...
the slime's path to "glory" has not been an easy one... they have had to flood the earth with rivers and torrents of human blood to get this goal of theirs accomplished... initially it had seemed relatively swift with their unleashing upon central europe of the 30 years' war (1618-1648)...
for the slime made great strides at that time in erasing the catastrophic setback from the 100 years' war (1337-1453) which though by war's end did see the vatican successfully able to manage to hang onto control and retain the reins of power all over europe... yet just barely... and thus this war set in motion circumstances and unleashed forces which contributed greatly in weakening the church sufficiently which then proceeded to lead directly to the reformation's valiant effort and attempt to permanently unseat and topple rome from its 1500 year irongrip of power and hegemony over virtually the entire world...
thus by 1700 only one force on earth... protestant england... remained which stood in their way of completing their comeback and attaining to their dream of universal dictatorial domination and rule... (besides for the existence of the jews and the torah of Hashem... an eternal and ultimate threat then however dormant and in hiatus)... (to be continued)... nik. out...
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this is from a piece i once sent out to a few rabbis and friends... nik.
"volume three..." "america deluded and denuded...
america is a fraud... a sham...
all of american history is a smokescreen... an optical
illusion... it is all a mirage... a mere facade...
covering up and hiding from view the real truth of
what she is really all about...
my sources for this are culled from the books i have
already mentioned to you... and very briefly... it all
goes like this...
america was first colonized by king james I of england
at jamestown, virginia in 1607... but to understand
the full and true meaning of this great event one must
go back 150 years or so and learn a little european
history... specifically vatican history...
until 1540... the catholic church ruled the world with
an iron-fist... then came the protestant reformation
of german theologian martin luther... the blow he
struck in 1519-20 with his 95-point thesis started a
revolution which by 1546 almost dealt a death-blow to
the roman-catholic church for good... (almost... as in
revelations' depiction of "the wound of the beast
which was healed")...
but they fought back... and fought back viciously...
like a wounded and cornered lion... and they did so
with the jesuit movement which was founded in 1540 in
catholic spain by a monk... ignatius loyola and he and
they together with the vatican in rome devised a
system of warfare by assassination and via bloodshed
from revolutionary fomentation... these weapons were
expropriated from what the french knights templar had
learned from the "hashins" or the ismailis of persia
and later of syria way back at the beginning of the
the 12th century...
with this they insinuated themselves behind the throne
of every potentate on the throne of europe and sailed
around the earth to "missionize" and colonize for the
glory of catholic rome the savages of the third world
countries... the 100 year war... the thirty year
war... etc. were all their doing... much later the
slavic and asian-communist and german-nazi upheavals
and wars were also all of their doing... and so were
the french and american revolutions...
nothing is beneath them... nothing beyond their
capacity and willingness to do to exploit human
weakness at every opportunity... they corrupt everyone
and everything in their path along the way to the
successful fulfillment of their sworn mission... of
their goal to usher in a new world order and a one
world governemnt... their modus operandi is always to
lie and to cheat... to betray and to deceive... they
join their enemies' side and feign to be one of them
for years so as to undermine those who will not bow to
their will or who threaten their hegemony... this is
how freemasonry and the illuminati got diverted off of
their intended tracks... they will use the call and
the yearning for freedom and liberty... for
brotherhood and fraternity... to further their ends to
accomplish their nefarious schemes... they will use
anything, any tool, any device or artifice to capture
the minds and souls of men and women and bend them to
their will and enslave them to their mastery... they
dethrone or enshrine whatever it takes to prevail and
emerge victorious... and they destroy all those who
deign to be in their opposition... they have been
genociding the planet for generations now to retain
their power and control... and in order to horde for
their own exclusive usage and consumption the vast
majority of all the world's precious resources and
treasures... their aim is one... worldwide despotic
control clear to eternity... they will rule and we
will serve... that is if they allow us to continue
living at all... and their method of dissembling is
always to denounce all those doing their evil work for
them... and in this fashion they are always seen as
embracing peace and morality... and in this way they
keep their wicked hand hidden... concealed behind a
thousand veils... never detected but ever there... and
just by pure hashgacha and siata d'shmaya was i able
to somehow uncover their ruse... have i been able to
piece together the clues to follow their trail... only
by niflot mayace Hashem have i managed somehow...
someway... to find the sources which unraveled their
mysterious evil-doing and to strip away all of their
pretense and proclamation of innocence...
and along the way i have discovered and seen with my
own eyes how the civil war, wwI&II, korea, the viet
nam war, gulf wars I&II were all jesuit-driven... and
how the mafias and drug lords all work for the
jesuits... how all of the oil-creeps and the
gun-runners of the planet are all jesuit
contractors... every last one of them... lock, stock
and barrel...
i also came across by pure "accident" that it was they
who wrote the infamous "protocols of the elders of
zion" to frame us jews for each of the sick and
demented... truly twisted things they wrote therein
which have subsequently come to pass and have been
brought to fruition by them... and they penned us into
their little treatise so as to insist that we jews are
the guilty party in their debacle... and it is WE who
should take the fall for all of their crimes against
humanity... and so they put jews in high government
places or install them to run banks (rothchilds,etc)
or the media or to "own" hollywood... then they do
their jesuit-thing from the safety and protection of
cover... security from exposure and immunity from
prosecution for the immorality, graft and murder all
of these entities carry out for them... and the long
arm of the inquisition is alive and kicking thanks to
the jesuit-general and his sinister minions who leave
nothing save for death and destruction behind them in
their wake wherever they may go... they did the
titanic... killing on purpose three of the richest
jews on the planet (gugenheim, astor and strauss) who
were impeding their gaining entrance of the u.s. into
world war I which meant millions for their coffers
from weapons-sales... all made possible once that
threesome were disposed of by the formation of the
federal reserve bank which these jewish barons opposed
(can't stop to explain now how and why) but which
seals disaster for every american clear to the end of
time once this death became extant... and of course...
they did all of the assassinations in the '60's...
they spurred on and supported the riots and
civil-disturbances of the civil-rights era... all to
decimate protestant america... and everywhere that
protestants dwell in the world they work behind the
scenes to bring them down.... they brought about the
leveling of the "apartheid" state of south africa...
they caused a revolution recently in the austrailian
government and if they have their way... israel and
the u.s. are next... and they are doing this by their
age-old, tried and true method of sowing hatred and
discord everywhere they go... divide and conquer is
their maxim not just that of the old british empire
which they subverted as well along about the advent of
ol' king george III (more next e-mail on this)....
and i somehow found books or information on-line which
led me to the discovery that all major corporations
here and around the globe have their tentacles
reaching back inside the vatican walls and they are
all run secretly thru them... nato, the un... thru
them... all intelligence organizations (cia, mi5&6,
kgb, fbi, mossad) are in reality all working for
them... they have agents in high places "advising" all
world governments... they have their own people on
thrones and in prime minister and presidential offices
or in their cabinets... the world over... and they use
surrogates to do their dirty work for them... behind
the nazis... there they were... behind the north AND
the south in the civil war... there were the jesuits
pulling the strings from the shadows... the rothchilds
were out front lending the money... british rothchilds
lent to the south and french ones to the north... but
the money was all the vatican's to start with... and
thus behind the arab terrorist network is rome... the
jesuits control and direct it all...
and so there you have it... all wars and all bloodshed
on earth since the counter-reformation began in
earnest sometime around 1550 is jesuit-incited,
fomented and spilled... and thusly and manifestly...
so was the holocaust to go along with their
inquisition and expulsion of us from spain in 1492...
(then it was the pope still in his full powers before
the reformation who signed that edict... but it was
rome not spain which demanded it)... today the pope
himself on his chair of st. peter is but a puppet of
the jesuit-general... and not a few of them have died
from poisoning who would not heel to their true
master... "the black pope" the jesuit-general is the
real master of the world... even this last pope was
almost killed by an assassin's bullet because of
something he tried to do to curb the jesuits' power...
(not that he wasn't a thoroughly evil man in his own
right as well... for he was one who had participated
with the nazis in the making of the zyclon-b gas that
was used to exterminate jews in their millions on his
native polish soil... yemach shemo v'zichro l'olam
va'ed)...
and so too all the pogroms of the middle ages and all
the forced exiles and bitter persecutions... from then
and beyond right on up until today... to 9/11 and the
suicide-bombings and the kaytusha rockets on the buses
and in the stores and over the streets and the cities
of eretz yisroel...all jesuit though arabs are seen to
be detonating the bombs...
but we are here to learn about america... and so we
shall...
protestant england was the only nation and kingdom on
earth strong enough to withstand, resist and turn back
the vatican/jesuit assault... they thwarted an attempt
on the life of their king and his parliament in
1604-5... when jesuits tried to blow up the old-city
of london because king james I had just commissioned
the printing of and requisitioned the publishing of
the first ever bible to be translated into the english
language in world history... (the guy fawkes affair of
1604)... they evaded invasion in 1688 from the spanish
armada (jesuit-driven) through Divine intervention (a
freak storm which came out of nowhere just in time to
prevent spanish landing parties from establishing a
beachead on english shores)... and they beat back
catholic france innumerable times both on the european
mainland and within the british isles all throughout
the 17th & 18th centuries... they foiled many an
attempt by the french on the lives of their protestant
british officials and clergy or their many attempts at
anarchy,intrigue and at open subversion of
protestant-british soveriegnty... of its laws and
leadership ranks... and of its religion and mores...
all the work of the office of the society of jesus...
the jesuits...
and then britain founded a string of colonies in the
new world on the north american continent... hugging
along the eastern seaboard which gave fresh hope for
relief from the miserable life of turmoil and
oppression which was the lot of the suffering masses
of serfs residing in the british isles and on the
european continent...
king james himself rallied the faithful to ever-be
vigilant and wary of the vatican/jesuit menace and to
be on constant guard in defense of these new lands to
keep them from falling into the evil clutches of the
roman-catholic hordes... he tried ardently to exclude
catholics of any stripe from obtaining or acquiring
charters to the ever-broadening british colonies...
and they were successful for the most part... they
burnt witches at the stake (read: catholics who were
the ones who practiced this witchcraft... this
satanic, occult black magic of the mystery cults of
babylon and egypt)... only in maryland and primarily
in baltimore did catholics avoid exclusion... but
alas... this one tiny foothold sufficed for rome to
spoil the whole entire dream of true freedom and real
liberty for all mankind...
for rome knew full-well that they were finished if
protestant england won outright dominion over these
unfathomably wealthy and seemingly limitless new lands
and if the protestant king of britain were to be the
sole arbitor over which peoples would be granted
domicile here... they knew all of the best minds and
hearts would gravitate here searching for their
freedom from the monstrous, demonic church and seeking
their fortune that the unfettered access to the raw
materials available here and only here could provide
them and by virtue of whose free-enterprise system
afforded them the true opportunity needed for ultimate
success...
and therefore faced with the certain brain-drain and
talent-depletion that this dour (for them) prospect
spelled... they were desperate for a way to block all
of this from reaching fruition... for they well-knew
that unless they were able to counter what the future
seemed to portend here for them they would lose their
grip and sway over power and peoples... for surely now
the vatican was staring their very demise square in
the face... america's liberty bell seemed to be poised
and destined to one day toll out a death-knell for the
catholic church at rome...
well i was going to tell you here about the plot the
french and the vatican/jesuits devised to undermine
this new protestant-english world and keep it from
coming into being... and all about the traps they laid
and sprung to ensure that they got their greedy little
claws all over it and how they sunk their avaracious
fangs deep into her flesh... until finally in the end
the slime were able thru much effort and arduous
travail, turmoil and upheaval to secure for themselves
virtually exclusive rights to all of what we have and
of what we are here in the united states of america...
i have accumulated much
evidence that the founding fathers were in league with
rome and that this country was built by snipers (read:
assassins... the jesuit calling-card)... (to be continued)... nik. out...
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Oy, nik... What is this kind of BS doing here?
Please take it where people really are looking for this kind of stuff. This is not what I come here to read. You are not really on topic here..
muman613
PS: You are now know to me as the Anti-american rabbi on par with Jeramiah Write...
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and so here we are... the slime plan to rid the world of malchut (kingship) once and for all... the only force on earth besides G-d, the jews and torah which could come to the aid of mankind and rescue and defend them from the slime's diabolical machinations and deliberately-devised onslaught upon their freedoms, liberties and even all of our very lives...
and so to do just this the slime came up with a dual-phased plan to be applied in different situations, locals and cultures as best-suited and deemed-fit as necessary to achieve the prosperous outcome of their truly nefarious agenda... the only goal they have ever had... that they have ever strived for and are hoping for... total one world government and religion under their solitary thumb... certain places and times would alwasys need one or the other of this dual-pronged dragon's head... democracy or communism...
they began with communism with their conquest of south america... they installed what were then called "reductions" cooperative farming and/or industrial compounds... they basically enslaved these naive and innocent humans and lashed them to catholicism and endentured servitude... it worked so well they thought of expanding it and planned for its exportation world wide... but it wouldn't be able to be applied and work smoothly immediately in all places... it wouldn't take ahold wherever men and women were not so easily conned into giving up their freedom and economic independence by their own volition without being conquered in war first anyway...
and so they had a dilemma on their wickedly evil hands... what to do...? what to do...? when one day... voila!!! adam weishaupt discovered a way... he called his movement "illuminati" and it had but one objective... convince the world that this was the answer to all their problems... convince people that until now they were all living in utter darkness... and they had economically at that at the misguided and evil system imposed upon them from roman ages and kept alive by kings, princes and the landed gentry of europe... and by the petty barons they installed in their pathetic little fifedoms all over europe to run the day to day affairs of the peasant class and extract their pound of flesh from them within the feudal system...
the illuminati and weishaupt were quickly condemned, excommunicated and cursed by papal bull (never a more fitting name and title for an institutional memo)... as would later be done to communism... (funny it was never applied to nazism... come to think of it... not so funny)...
but it was all just a ruse... a dodge... designed solely to hide the truth of vatican involvement and implementation as to this "heretical" new movement's ultimate goals... the purposeful ridding of the world of the kingdom of G-d and all the lower manifestations of it upon this once-greener earth...
to rid the world of kings and "free" the rabble masses world wide with tantalizing and tempting visions of personal freedom and unlimited liberty... total independence and never-ending brotherhood... (to be continued)... nik. out...
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PS: You are now know to me as the Anti-american rabbi on par with Jeramiah Write...
I dont read most of what he writes, but this is the internet, we should not automatically assume what one says is correct and true. It cannot be proven that he is a Rabbi and I will not assume that he is, or isn't. (I have a feeling that he is not, but either way I dont think a special title should be given to anyone without seeing their face (etc.).
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Welcome back Nik. Glad to see that you are all rested up and batteries charged. :)
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It cannot be proven that he is a Rabbi and I will not assume that he is, or isn't. (I have a feeling that he is not, but either way I dont think a special title should be given to anyone without seeing their face (etc.).
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Is there like some sort of Rabbi certification or registration agency or listing that Nik would show up on? Should he have a certificate that proves he is a Rabbi?
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and this is how democracy as we know it today came into being... it was devised by rome and her allies in league with her to conquer the world... and so to as its just-as-evil twin-sister... it's one and only goal is to step-by-step remove freedom from mankind and to eventually cast all of us (at least those of us allowed to remain alive) into chains of eternal bondage...
and to accomplish this ultimate deed... three revolutions, one civil war and three world wars were conceived, drawn up and to date all but the last of them carried out... the american, french and russian revolutions... the american civil war and ww1 and of course ww2... all that remains to competely finish the job is world war three... to be hatched in the middle east and its fuse lit via iran and yishmael (the arabs) in league with the powers of the roman west all unleashed against tiny israel... the war of armageddon... milchemt gog u'maygog... (to be continued)... nik. out...
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It cannot be proven that he is a Rabbi and I will not assume that he is, or isn't. (I have a feeling that he is not, but either way I dont think a special title should be given to anyone without seeing their face (etc.).
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Is there like some sort of Rabbi certification or registration agency or listing that Nik would show up on? Should he have a certificate that proves he is a Rabbi?
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a Rabbi gets Smicha (even though in today's day its not the same as it was in the past, its still something) it shows that he is handed the tradition from his Rabbi (who gets it from his, the tradition all the way to Mt. Sinai, and he is qualified on a certain level to teach the public in a certain field of Torah study. Of-course their are different levels of Rabbi's today.
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i just love it... you can't stay with me on any of the substance of what i'm putting up here... so you have to question my rabbinic standing... as if that makes any difference whether any of what i have to say here is the truth or not... absolutely ridiculous... patently dishonest and pathetically absurd... after shabat i will prove to you all that democracy is designed to destroy mankind not save it and especially to deny G-d (Hashem) from ruling over His world... nik. out... for now...
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Democracy is indeed as dangerous for Jews as it is for Americans.
"Democracy is indispensible for Socialism, and Socialism is indispensible for Communism"
-V.I. Lenin
The United States was deliberately made A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, with representative leaders chosen through a democratic election process.
The Founding Fathers feared democracy more than monarchy, as democracy is nothing more than "mob rule".
Not so a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC UNDER THE RULE OF LAW!
Today in the United States of America, the complete societal breakdown we are witnessing is the concept of "democracy" (majority rule) having trumped Constitutional Republicanism, thanks to a long standing effort over the last generation to use the educational system to brainwash an entire generation of American youth.
Today it is rare to hear anyone, be they George W. Bush, McCain, Obama, or the talking heads of the meda, EVER use the term Constitutional Republic.
They all now substitute the term "democracy", meaning mob rule.
So, Americans, how do you like "democracy" now that you are experiencing it?
Even in ancient Greece, which had a semblance of democracy enduring approximately 200 years, they were intelligent enough to know that only educated landowners had the right to vote and hold office.
They knew that to give such rights of citizenship over to the Al Sharptons and Obamas of the world would quickly lead to death of culture, bankruptcy, mob rule, and finally destruction.
The State of Israel long ago bought into the idea of "democracy" as the perfect ideal for statehood, yet the model they set up was one more akin those failed states calling themselves "The Democratic Peoples' Republic of x........".
The Israeli State is democracy mob rule of splintered political parties, each of which is owned and operated by moneyed interests in either Europe or the United States; a state which operates without ever having first created a written Constitution and without first having developed its own code of law.
This is why Israel's "democracy" only serves as the enemy of Jews and Judaism. Its credo that "the majority makes the rules as the majority sees fit" is playing itself out before our eyes, as Jewish Israelis encourage their young girls to use birth control to prevent births, while subsidizing each new Arab birth with money from state coffers. As the exploding population of Arab Terrorists is already outpacing that of the Israeli Jews, it is not possible to maintain a Jewish State which is also a democratic State...it can only be one or the other.
As the state strips more and more liberties, rights, and spirituality from its Jewish citizens to "appease the Arabs who have an equal vote with Jews", they are in effect choosing democracy even if it means they must murder every single Jew in the Middle East to guarantee the survival of Israel as a "democracy".
So...still value democracy as the best form of national government?
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Nik,
The farthest I will go is to say that there are negative aspects of absolute Democracy. Absolute democracy is equal to the mob rules. This I fully agree. But a representative system is written about in the Torah. I believe that the founding fathers had good intentions to develop a system which would not degenerate into mob rules mentality. As a matter of fact, the electoral system was created for just this purpose. Though this system is being misused today it was a great idea to prevent rampant infiltration by anti-American elements.
I dont have faith in the American democracy. I have faith in the spirit of the American. This country has withstood a lot of friction and overcome it. This wisdom is learned in pirkie avot.
muman613
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Nik,
The farthest I will go is to say that there are negative aspects of absolute Democracy. Absolute democracy is equal to the mob rules. This I fully agree. But a representative system is written about in the Torah. I believe that the founding fathers had good intentions to develop a system which would not degenerate into mob rules mentality. As a matter of fact, the electoral system was created for just this purpose. Though this system is being misused today it was a great idea to prevent rampant infiltration by anti-American elements.
I dont have faith in the American democracy. I have faith in the spirit of the American. This country has withstood a lot of friction and overcome it. This wisdom is learned in pirkie avot.
muman613
I ALSO have faith in the SPIRIT of America, and no, many dont have this today, BUT WE DO here! the REASON that people from the JTF BELIEVE in America, is because we BELIEVE IN G-D. there is NO WAY that this nation could have possibly been built witout LAW- which is TORAH.
If people want to know about the book of revelation, which is to what Nik is referring to (Gog, Magog, Meggido, Armageddon, etc..) well, I AM educated on this subject. IN THE END OF THIS book- Guess WHO wins?
G-D AND ISRAEL. that is ALL I needed to know about that book, if believing the BEST for Us, is WRONG, then I dont care to be right.
It is YOUR prerogative, to disagree with me, and tell me I am insane and terrible for reading it, I will only advise you to just read all of the books of the Prophets/Tanach, because MANY prophecies- ESPECIALLY Israel being a nation again, and G-d bringing us back from the 4 corners of the Earth- HAS HAPPENED.
Nik- all of this can go ahead and happen, WE HAVE A COVENENT that can NEVER ever be broken by ANY MAN OR govt establishment. Throughout over 5,800 years WE HAVE SURVIVED. If THIS does NOT get ANYBODY EXCITED, well- Selah...
Did you EVER think that...."For Such A Time As This....". We would be here?
People NEED to REMEMBER that G-d ANSWERS when WE cry OUT. AND WE HAVE been. Isnt it time, to THANK and Give Glory and HONOR to HaShem, for what he is GOING TO DO? Because I BELIEVE that G-d IS going to show up BIGTIME, like we KNOW he HAS, As a MIGHTY G-D OF WAR on behalf of his children, Yisrael, and ALSO for the FAITHFUL believers of G-d of all of the denominations of the Christian faith.
There WILL come a time, when we will NOT wail ANYMORE.
(http://z.about.com/d/judaism/1/0/V/1/slichot_flag.jpg)
And to the REPUBLIC, for WHICH it STANDS.
(http://www.putgodbackinamerica.com/Pledge-Of-Allegiance-Print-C10075489.jpg)
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If people want to know about the book of revelation, which is to what Nik is referring to (Gog, Magog, Meggido, Armageddon, etc..) well, I AM educated on this subject. IN THE END OF THIS book- Guess WHO wins?
G-D AND ISRAEL. that is ALL I needed to know about that book, if believing the BEST for Us, is WRONG, then I dont care to be right.
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I have read the end as well and know what is going to happen. Bottom line we win. Makes for a healthier way of looking at life.
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If people want to know about the book of revelation, which is to what Nik is referring to (Gog, Magog, Meggido, Armageddon, etc..) well, I AM educated on this subject. IN THE END OF THIS book- Guess WHO wins?
G-D AND ISRAEL. that is ALL I needed to know about that book, if believing the BEST for Us, is WRONG, then I dont care to be right.
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I have read the end as well and know what is going to happen. Bottom line we win. Makes for a healthier way of looking at life.
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well, BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!!!
Love that little icon lol. SHAMGAR ((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))) Shabbat SHALOM!
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oy yoy yoy... unbelievable... ye of so little knowledge... listen up... like mussah said... lenin wrote that democracy leads to socialism which then leads directly to communism... which is where america is going... ever wonder why as russia gets more democratic we get more communistic...? america is about to be trashed... it started in earnest with 9/11 and then with the all-out invasion of our borders by the catholic refuse of mexico, central and south america... and it's only going to get worse... everyone here... jew and gentile alike should get out now... head for the exit because a race war is fast bearing down upon us here...
lenin also said... (paraphrase... exact quote is in "rule by secrecy" by jim marrs)...
"i am in an automobile and my hands are upon the steering-wheel but the car seems to have a mind of its own and goes in a different direction than the one i am endeavoring to drive it in..." meaning though he had founded soviet communism and was the movement's titular head... inexplicably it was not functioning and developing in the way he invisioned it to go and it was not really under his control... as outside forces which had funded it and fashioned it were in charge and he then proceeded to name names of those really guiding it in the opposite direction from his will... british and american capitalists!!! nik. out...
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and so... we left off with the slime (the jesuits) planning to
foil the protestant dream of a land free of the cursed
vatican menace...
from this next segment you will be able to understand
what is at stake in eretz yisroel over yerushalayim
and yehudah v'shomron... for the exact same system of
misery infliction and deterioration of will via a war
of attrition is being used there as the slime employed
here beginning in 1754...
terror is the jesuit tool of subversion and
conquest... back then they used the french and the
indians to inflict their death... 50-75 years ago they
used the nazis and the communists... and today since
1973 at the very latest they began using the arabs as
their papal executioners by proxy...
1754 is the beginning of the 7 year french and indian
war... which in reality was just the opening salvo in
the 30 year war for america... (1754-1784)... at the
time catholic spain owned mexico and central and south
america and florida... and catholic france held all of
canada and the entire western frontier comprised of
the ohio valley and further south along the
mississippi to the gulf of mexico (the expanse of the
later lands of the louisiana purchase under president
jefferson a francophile republican as opposed to the
pro-british federalist party of president george
washington)... the french were more than happy to
concede these lands to the side of america working for
them... but lest you think that the slime jesuits did
not hedge their bets and did not own the federalists
as well... think again... you have another thing
coming... so please follow closely this story...
in truth the jesuit way is to own both sides... in
this case the british and the french... for the
longest time england was beyond their power to
re-conquer... while they fought the
counter-reformation viciously all over the rest of
europe... in switzerland and the netherlands and
especially in germany... the heart of the
reformation...
for you see it was never the case that the nations and
governments giving us jews refuge... while they were
protestant... that they ever persecuted us... only in
catholic lands where they let us in for awhile to help
them build and grow only to turn on us at a later date
to steal all the wealth that they had "let" us accrue
in the meantime... or in protestant lands which were
turned back to catholicism where we were ever met with
catatrophe by expulsions or were decimated in
holocausts big and small...
while it is true that which we have been taught that
the sin of assimilation was always one of the causes
which made Hashem bring disaster upon us throughout
the long night of this exile... it is not because
Hashem put into the hearts of our hosts a new negative
attitude toward us... rather it has always been the
case that Hashem has allowed the influence of rome to
increase anywhere that Hashem deemed it necessary to
punish us...
and the same was true from the beginning of time...
according to chazal... the power behind the throne of
paro in mitzrayim were the ones who put him up to
enslaving and killing us... they followed nimrod's
idolatrous sickness and threatened paro with removal
if he did not acquiesce to their plot against us...
the medresh says that paro was chagrined and
queried... "how can i do this to the family of the man
(yosef) who saved all of our lives...? how can i be so
ungrateful...?" and with that he quit the throne of
egypt... but three days later he couldn't stand not
weilding his power and so he caved and agreed to their
betrayal... as the torah says... "and a new paro arose
over egypt who did not know yosef..." (who forced
himself to forget the great heroic mission of the ivri
~ of the hebrew... yosef)... and the bondage in
mitzrayim ensued...
same then... same at this juncture of our story...
wherever the slime insinuate themselves and worm their
way into the good graces of the heads of state of any
land... death to all jews and other non-believers
always... always follows in their train...
and so now onto the old northwest of the american
colonial period... circa 1753-4... france to the west
and north and spain to the south with their indian
allies had the british colonies surrounded... but not
choked off... there were not that many people yet in
america and the colonies could have held out awhile
longer especially because britain owned the seas to
the east all the way back to europe... and the british
army and navy along with the colonial militias were a
formidable fighting force which would not be
vanquished easily or swiftly if at all...
so how to dislodge the protestant british entity from
these shores...? what was the pope and the jesuit
general to do...? the one thing they knew only too
well how to do... get in through the back door... like
the snake in the grass they have always been... by
subversion... by causing dissention, upheaval and
revolution... by assassination... and by stirring the
pot and turning once true patriots and loyalists into
seditious and treasonous traitors...
and they did this by utilizing freemasonry which had
already by their design succeeded in claiming their
place upon these shores for upwards of a hundred years
already... now freemasonry was a by-product of the
reformation... it was a system devised by the new
clergy in town to allow the laity to be involved in
their own struggle for freedom from the slime... to
keep them vigilant... but in europe the jesuits had
found a way to infiltrate and turn all of these lodges
against their own cause and raison d'etre... and they
did this without any of the true protestant believers
knowing what they were up to... originally there were
just three levels to masonry... but the slime devise
another 29-30 levels and kept them all a secret until
they could handpick the ones they wished to allow "to
ascend" up the ladder and assume the powerbase of the
movement... a clever ruse... and all of their new
rites were sacraments of nimrod's babylonian and
egyptian mystery-cult... and which explained in a few
good books... none better than "rule by secrecy" by
jim marrs and "the grand design exposed" by john
daniel... where everything is all laid out for us in
clear historical record as to how the slime took back
the world for rome and resumed their mastery and rule
over the earth...
and so onto the stage of american history strode one
such traitorous english freemason... george
washington... prior to 1754... he had fought alongside
british generals in a few indian skirmishes... now
though he was head of the virginia militia of his
homestate and birthplace...
there is relative peace and calm along the french and
british border... but for some reason he goes marching
out with his full militia and under no orders from the
ruling british authorities... and commences firing
upon french positions to his immediate northwest...
this is the actual start to the french and indian
war... nothing we were ever taught in our high school
or college history courses...
as this new war unfolds it is not fought in the
limited fashion of the then european tradition... of
two standing armies squaring off and facing each
other... no... this one is fought from the french and
indian side with atrocities against non-combatant men,
women and even children... and though the french lay
seige to forts... they burn them upon conquest and do
not occupy them... strange for an army supposedly bent
on deposing the british from their control over
america...
and this war drags on for seven long years... not
unheard of back in europe but with no storming of the
colonies nor invasions of any kind by the french into
british-held territory what we see evolving is no war
of conquest... the french are not fighting to win...
so what are they doing...?
stranger still as the war progresses and the british
begin to get the upperhand and drive into french-
canadian lands... the french are not dug-in fighting
to the last man... standing orders are to delay the
british advance as much as possible but then to fall
back and not let their armies be taken or destroyed...
the eventual outcome of the war was a seeming disaster
for france... they were left with one outpost in
montreal and the rest of all of their vast holdings in
the west and north were lost to them... only in the
south did they retain any possession... what in
heaven's name is going on here...?
to make things even worse still... the man responsible
for provoking the hostilites in the first place...
good ol' georgie-boy was captured and surrendered his
entire britsh regular regement which he was later
assigned to lead in this war... how is it then that he
was allowed to go back home and was not imprisoned or
put to death...?
this is the sme george washington who later denied
being a freemason eventhough he was the head of the
largest lodge in virgina... and there are pictures
extant of him wearing his cult-apron... and when asked
if illumanism (the illuminati) were in america...
said... yes and that he welcomed them here... the
illuminati founded by adam weisthaupt a supposed
jesuit renegede... (cover story for his sinister work
for the church to further decimate from within the
protestant-masonic lodges)... came into existence on
may 1st, 1776... (the original source of the may-day
celebrations observed by socialists and communists
everywhere until this very day)...
in fact an aside here... the jesuits are the real
creators and conceivers of communism as a tool to
enslave... they did it to perfection among the indian
populations of the enterior of south america as early
as the 1600's... then they were called "reductions"
which were really large plantations or slave-farms
which they colonized into large agricultural, mining
or industrial workforce areas to produce wealth for
themselves while stealing the natural resources from
the natives who were too naive to know that their new
"friends" were really their captors and that their
matzav of being well-taken care of in exchange for
their labor was really their bondage and serfdom and
not objectively the true worth of their goods and
services produced, quarried or harvested...
and realizing how great this ruse worked the slime
devised it for wholesale exportation to cover the
globe and be used to chain all of mankind to the
wishes and commands of rome...
but what great timing... huh...? one year into the
american revolution a new system of thought is
developed that pretends to be on the side of liberty
and liberation of mind, thought and body... and is
presented to the world as the next great weapon to be
employed in the desperate war against the despotism
and tyranny of catholicism... and all along it's a
fraud and really the tool of the jesuits to seek,
ferret-out and eliminate all of their opposition
worldwide... and this is what our first president is
quoted in history as embracing and welcoming with open
arms into the new world...
and so now we see clearly... the fix was in from the
beginning... and washington was their agent not our
champion and the father of our country... in fact...
another aside here... the media is all jesuit
controlled... we know this already... so any
pronouncement they get out in public or let out... is
by design their propagandic-devise to snooker us yet
again but good... agreed...? i pray so... because if
you can't see this by now... we truly are lost...
now observe this one... this is a clincher... i found
out that george washington was the only delegate to
both continental congresses who attended in full
battle dress... to of course show his resolve to fight
for freedom and liberty... right...? just like who
else in history...? you know... go on... all thos e
great freedom-fighters and liberators of their
people... that's right... why napolean, stalin,
hitler, castro and arafat... you keep great company
george... great crowd to be in as members of the same
pantheon... arafat was called the father of his
country and the george washington of the
palestinians... which is a dead give away... they let
it out to try and convince us of this in our day... so
they were doing the very same thing back then as
well... again they always call the same few plays out
of their one same playbook... over and over again...
it works to perfection nearly everytime... so why
change up...? why do anything different ever...?
we are getting ahead of ourselves here a little bit...
but one more aside for now... and this one should hit
home for us jews... for this one is about our
supposedly great revolutionary war hero... chayim
soloman... the one who gave from his own wealth to
keep the troops alive at valley forge when the chips
were down and the future of our country coming into
being was at its bleakest moment...
this one is for the ages... i had help on this one
from a secular jewish doctor in the valley i met at a
shabat table by some friends of mine a year or so
ago... he began telling me about the old story about
how the u.s. never paid back his widow for the war
bonds her husband floated solely from his own funds...
and how they continue to refuse especially now when
all the interest would be astronomical... and how
court cases have been filed and still nothing... etc.
and it wasn't what he said because i had heard the
story many times... but at that moment it just clicked
for some reason and i heard it from a different
perspective... of course the slime never paid his
family back... BECAUSE IT WASN'T HIS MONEY TO BEGIN
WITH... IT WAS THEIRS!!!! THEIR MONEY TO CONQUER
AMERICA FROM THE PROTESTANTS!!!
and so i began to look into it and sure enough it all
came spilling out... he was no religious shabat
observor as they all write about him... that he said
he couldn't sign the agreement to be reimbursed
because they came to him on friday night... and over
the weekend he was deathly ill and died before they
came back on monday morning... how sweet... how
tenderly touching... but not true... all lies... the
man was slime... he was deep into occultism... it was
reported of him that he knew how to shapeshift into a
cockroach to slip into meetings of his competitors
and/or enemies to hear their plans... a distinct
amalekite trademark... and amalek is rome which is
esav dominating the cult of nimrod ever since the day
esav killed nimrod and usurped his power...
then i found the money came from the rothchilds in
france and bingo!!! the fingerprints of the
jesuit/papal slime were clearly all over this one...
and despite congress several times in history passing
motions and bills to pay this debt plus interest to
the solomon descendants it always manages somehow to
get stalled and then blocked... case closed...
and so now back to the french... what were they up
to...? what exactly was their play here...? simple...
fight the british all over the world to a standstill
until their coffers run dry... and then they are ripe
for the plucking... first they will have to charge the
colonials their fair share for having footed the bill
and expended the human treasure and other resources to
protect them and save them from being overrun... this
would then be made to seem naturally to flow into an
insurrectiuon in protest over these "unfair" and
"unjust" taxes of enslavement... which in truth were
more than fair... amply justified and quite a bit
ungrateful of the masses to have resented... but they
were denounced and would be done so by all of our
"heroes..." washington... hamilton... jefferson...
franklin... adams... revere... paine... henry... et
al... all slime working for the slime selling-out
their countrymen... all lousy traitors... not great
american patriots, profound statesmen and loving
founding fathers as we have all been brainwashed and
led to believe...
and sure enough from the british side of things would
come the breakthrough rome was hoping for... which
they seized upon when the time was just right... as we
will see next time... king george III turned out to be
no king james I... and he caved... desperate for
mullah... and we will see what he got out of the deal
but more crucially we will learn what the vatican
got... (hint: the whole shooting match called the
united states of america)... (to be continued)... nik. out...
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oy yoy yoy... unbelievable... ye of so little knowledge... listen up... like mussah said... lenin wrote that democracy leads to socialism which then leads directly to communism... which is where america is going... ever wonder why as russia gets more democratic we get more communistic...? america is about to be trashed... it started in earnest with 9/11 and then with the all-out invasion of our borders by the catholic refuse of mexico, central and south america... and it's only going to get worse... everyone here... jew and gentile alike should get out now... head for the exit because a race war is fast bearing down upon us here...
lenin also said... (paraphrase... exact quote is in "rule by secrecy" by jim marrs)...
"i am in an automobile and my hands are upon the steering-wheel but the car seems to have a mind of its own and goes in a different direction than the one i am endeavoring to drive it in..." meaning though he had founded soviet communism and was the movement's titular head... inexplicably it was not functioning and developing in the way he invisioned it to go and it was not really under his control... as outside forces which had funded it and fashioned it were in charge and he then proceeded to name names of those really guiding it in the opposite direction from his will... british and american capitalists!!! nik. out...
nik, from what I have gathered, by some very wonderful members, my picture is now on the st0rmfront website. I have NO CHOICE, BUT to be positive. NO CHOICE. I AM NOT afraid of ANYTHING on this Earth, NOTHING.
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i'm sorry to hear that paulette... i don't know about me... but a post of mine from my jewish journal of l.a. days has been up there for sometime now... hopefully both of us and all jtfers burned from the witches of yesterday will be safe and G-d will protect us... amen... nik.
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i'm sorry to hear that paulette... i don't know about me... but a post of mine from my jewish journal of l.a. days has been up there for sometime now... hopefully both of us and all jtfers burned from the witches of yesterday will be safe and G-d will protect us... amen... nik.
I believe we will survive this, by FORTIFYING.
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volume five... "a truly revolting revolution..."first an update and completion to vol. 4 now renamed to...
"america... sold to the low-down, dirtiest double dealer..."
and that's the truth with the real american story as it is the truth with the soon-to-be late, great state of israel... (G-d forbid)... the plan by the slime then with north america as now with israel was to always keep them bleeding thru warfare, turmoil and terror and continually hurting for money... unable to produce it themselves they would always have to come begging to rome or to one of its disgusting surrogates to get it... and the cash would always then come with certain "strings attached..." and then they would find just the "right" element shall we say within each respective government who would be willing for a price to do that wee little bit of extra-special skulduggery to insure the decadent church that its policies would always reign here in the u.s. and over there in israel... they call it "lobbying..." but that's just the window dressing to conceal from view how the real selling-out of a country's vital interests and/or their very survival that takes place... which is in total secrecy behind closed doors inside buildings marked "keep out!" or in alleyways or out and about along the many highways and byways or somewhere off in the middle of the ocean wherever and whenever the public is at its most vulnerable and thus totally unaware and relegated to the dark as to the decision-making going on to their extreme harm and detriment... and therefore when the slime have them just so... at their greatest disadvantage and there is absolutely zero chance of having any eyes or ears in those places which would represent the true and objective national interests and national security and welfare of a country and her citizenry... there the deals are struck and the deeds are done and the contracts are put out...
a case in point on the financial aspect of the slime's m.o.... in israel in the 80's there was discovered a copper mine near eilat... the worth of cooper suddenly plummeted perniciously and israel had to abandon their mining operations and venture capital aspirations... now i know the slime manipulate the world's economy... you may not be aware of this... i understand... but i've seen proof... but here's what happened next... the news of last week brought us the story of how mexico has now garnered from israel the mining rights to that find and now 20 years later... a 1/2 a billion dollars is up for grabs... sure israel will get it's cut... at least the slime part of the israeli people... but with the flag of catholic mexico flying over the site... we know for certain... israel will not get it all as is her due... and we also know that one of the slime's main agents... that sick and demented nation of mexico got it's grubby hands all over jewish possessions yet again for the sake of the great evil fathers of rome... for pope and satan...
and back then it was the same with america as well... 50 of the 55 delegates to the constitutional convention were freemasons... of the 56 signers of the document 50 were masons... so we see... they were in league with rome... and thru this process rome came to rule here...
as for the item i touched upon about the wearing of uniforms to impress and to snow... this ploy was also trotted out recently when the new cia director... general michael hayden came fully dressed in his army uniform to a press conference whose point was to drive home the renewed danger of al qaeda which witnessed this past summer supposedly the reinvigoration of the terorist group and they made new threats... the full-court press so to speak was part of a general push to get america frightened enough to cave in on the immigration bill in favor of granting amnesty to hundreds of thousands... even millions of illegal aliens (read: catholics... we will have occassion to return to this aspect later)... so the thing is here... gen hayden is a civilian now... not on active duty and thus not supposed to appear in uniform... nor is the post of cia director a military position... it is by design a civilian auxiliary to the military and an intelligence orginazation... not a fighting one... though they do plenty of black ops like the recent atrocities in baghdad... a group calling itself the black order... proven to be a cia asset has been going around as a death squad murdering hundreds of people over there... even women and children... all in the name of democracy mind you... it's sick and getting sicker over there by the minute... not that i give a hoot about jew-hating and israel-loathing arabs... but that's not the point... this is what we can expect out of them in and around israel as well in the coming months and years... Hashem protect us and spare us this death and misery...
anyway... another point i discovered involving the solomon matter is that another famous jewish family (the sassoons)with connections to the vatican was involved in funneling money to the cash-starved colonial army under george washington through their agent in america... chayim solomon... for you see... this was the mid-18th centruy... most of our people were locked away in poverty in ghettos all across europe... no jews were roaming freely around the world seeking their fame and fortune... that is... not unless the vatican was using them as one of their agents provocateur...
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Fascinating and provocative. Can you provide source material? It would help, a lot.
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Fascinating and provocative. Can you provide source material? It would help, a lot.
Talk about tossing fuel on the fire ::) I honestly never thought that the Vatican had such a strangle hold on the entire world. Granted I must say that many of the policies they have are for the birds but to claim they have this sort of underlying power is crazy. I had to really roll my eyes with this............
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a case in point on the financial aspect of the slime's m.o.... in israel in the 80's there was discovered a copper mine near eilat... the worth of cooper suddenly plummeted perniciously and israel had to abandon their mining operations and venture capital aspirations... now i know the slime manipulate the world's economy... you may not be aware of this... i understand... but i've seen proof... but here's what happened next... the news of last week brought us the story of how mexico has now garnered from israel the mining rights to that find and now 20 years later... a 1/2 a billion dollars is up for grabs... sure israel will get it's cut... at least the slime part of the israeli people... but with the flag of catholic mexico flying over the site... we know for certain... israel will not get it all as is her due... and we also know that one of the slime's main agents... that sick and demented nation of mexico got it's grubby hands all over jewish possessions yet again for the sake of the great evil fathers of rome... for pope and satan...
During the eighties the prices of most metals were in the can. The main problem being was the fact that there was a glut of many types of metals on the market. Cars were not selling well and had become smaller they used only about half the amount of copper in their wiring then the older up size models. It had also become trendy to use aluminum for some of the larger wiring in homes and on power lines something that was once only made with Copper and required vast amounts of the same. It is only in the past few years that the 3 world has become more industrialized that the prices of this sort of metal is raising because the glut in the scrap metal supply has dwindled. As far as outside concerns coming into a country to lease a mine or oil field its done all the time its called business. The Russians have been doing business in oil with the Italians for years under the lukeoil banner. Is that the Vatican also? During the early eighties the Vatican was in such financial distress that for a time they had lost so much money through mismanagement it was thought that they might never recover. How could an organization with such an iron grip on world issues allow this to happen. They are being given more credit than they deserve. Evil policies yes, bad policies towards people of other faiths yes but to a lesser degree in recent times. Domination of world governments I think they are having enough of a problem keeping their churches in order and staying ahead of the islamic threat that is the real problem of the day.
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So What?
muman613
Are you done yet with this nonsense?
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Talk about tossing fuel on the fire
But is the fire real? Source material is one way to find out if this is a position based on fact or based on fantasy.
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Talk about tossing fuel on the fire
But is the fire real? Source material is one way to find out if this is a position based on fact or based on fantasy.
I would say this. I would like to know what any organization the size of the RCC is up to on any given day. The Vatican is a religious organization however in many ways it is a business. Are they plotting world domination? If they are they missed the boat. Islam is rapidly passing them up in numbers and the revenue from oil at their disposal is a definite advantage. I think they struggle with ways to maintain their followers but as far as conspiracies I don't think its possible in today's world. Things have become just to transparent. People are better educated and will not just sit back and accept things because of church doctrine. Just look how well Catholics listen to the Pope on contreception and abortion. My remarks on fuel on the fire was basically aimed at pages of documentation of questionable origin ( works of fiction made to sound like fact). Good documentation is one thing that would make the case. Crack pot sources and hear say evidence only turns people off and causes people to discredit the place where they read it even more than they would the original author.
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No form of government is ideal...the best one we have is democracy..
For Israel, we notice how it is failing with numerous political parties and arabs living there.
Each nation and each culture need to create a government right for itself and right according to its religion. Democracy doesn't work everywhere..However, certain aspects of it are generally correct...I wouldn't throw democracy out into the garbage can. A lot needs to be done to improve with what we have learned throughout history.
Also, in certain places where they claim there is democracy, there really isn't...like in Egypt or Iran or most Islamic countries.
Now, as far as nik's posts about this subject or his intent....i just don't know what to say...seems to bring up conspiracy problems without solutions and cause people to panic or to doubt and get angry. I really don't see the point of that.
We can discuss intelligently how democracy has been a problem for the Jewish people and the way it has been supposedly performed in Israel. We can discuss intelligently forms of government which might be ideal for the Jewish state. but to just go out there and say it is a conspiracy and that it must be uprooted and blame it on the vatican..I mean come on!! Mods...how many more warnings do you need here? How can a rational person take this site seriously if you are going to continue warning? How can anyone take JTF seriously if it acts "nice". Don't we hate "nice"?
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No form of government is ideal...the best one we have is democracy..
For Israel, we notice how it is failing with numerous political parties and arabs living there.
Each nation and each culture need to create a government right for itself and right according to its religion. Democracy doesn't work everywhere..However, certain aspects of it are generally correct...I wouldn't throw democracy out into the garbage can. A lot needs to be done to improve with what we have learned throughout history.
Also, in certain places where they claim there is democracy, there really isn't...like in Egypt or Iran or most Islamic countries.
Now, as far as nik's posts about this subject or his intent....i just don't know what to say...seems to bring up conspiracy problems without solutions and cause people to panic or to doubt and get angry. I really don't see the point of that.
We can discuss intelligently how democracy has been a problem for the Jewish people and the way it has been supposedly performed in Israel. We can discuss intelligently forms of government which might be ideal for the Jewish state. but to just go out there and say it is a conspiracy and that it must be uprooted and blame it on the vatican..I mean come on!! Mods...how many more warnings do you need here? How can a rational person take this site seriously if you are going to continue warning? How can anyone take JTF seriously if it acts "nice". Don't we hate "nice"?
I most certainly agree with this sentiment...
muman613
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source material to follow madeline... back in awhile... nik. out...
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Personally I think religious theocracy is the best system...
seriously....
muman613
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It's funny how nik posts so much on topics he knows nothing about. Vatican, Jesuit movement etc. Very few Jewish rabbis are experts on such things, yet nik proves that he isn't by his constant Mass-copy-pasting.
Nik, I suggest you start digesting research material and using discernment to gain a true understanding rather than taking all that seemingly agrees with your preconceived notions as fact and then copy and pasting bulks of it like a propagandist. This is my friendly advice.
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It's funny how nik posts so much on topics he knows nothing about. Vatican, Jesuit movement etc. Very few Jewish rabbis are experts on such things, yet nik proves that he isn't by his constant Mass-copy-pasting.
Nik, I suggest you start digesting research material and using discernment to gain a true understanding rather than taking all that seemingly agrees with your preconceived notions as fact and then copy and pasting bulks of it like a propagandist. This is my friendly advice.
Are you sure he is copy-pasting? Nobody really writes that way other than Nik.
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that is correct... what i have written here is by my own hand... and based on my extensive research over the past 4 1/2 years now... really ever since 9/11... i will be back here with a full list of my bibliography... i just need time to compile it... i'm sure you are all waiting with bated breath...lol... back in a bit... nik. out...
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that is correct... what i have written here is by my own hand... and based on mmy extensive research over the past 4 1/2 years now... really ever since 9/11... i will be back here with a full list of my bibliography... i just need time to compile it... i'm sure you are all waiting with bated breath...lol... back in a bit... nik. out...
Well HURRY UP Nik, it is better to listen to you, than having to contend with this other st0rmfronter on the forum now.
HUGS Just lets not get nasty everyone, please.
(http://www.web-l.com/cuteanimals/?jpg=white-tiger-hugs-a-man.jpg) HUGS HUGS HUGS nik.
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Personally I think religious theocracy is the best system...
seriously....
muman613
well, it depends which nation... If there is a nation which as all types of religions and theologies, this woudl be a terrible type of government...so I ask, for whom would you recommend a religious theocracy? How can one determine it will be fair even for a Jewish nation that within itself has a pluralistic manner of practicing Judaism?
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It's funny how nik posts so much on topics he knows nothing about. Vatican, Jesuit movement etc. Very few Jewish rabbis are experts on such things, yet nik proves that he isn't by his constant Mass-copy-pasting.
Nik, I suggest you start digesting research material and using discernment to gain a true understanding rather than taking all that seemingly agrees with your preconceived notions as fact and then copy and pasting bulks of it like a propagandist. This is my friendly advice.
Are you sure he is copy-pasting? Nobody really writes that way other than Nik.
what do you mean, all I've ever seen from nik is copy and paste, it gets irritating to read after a while.... If this thread is any different, I probably got turned off by the "...." after each sentence fragment and stopped reading. Maybe I'm wrong.
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It's funny how nik posts so much on topics he knows nothing about. Vatican, Jesuit movement etc. Very few Jewish rabbis are experts on such things, yet nik proves that he isn't by his constant Mass-copy-pasting.
Nik, I suggest you start digesting research material and using discernment to gain a true understanding rather than taking all that seemingly agrees with your preconceived notions as fact and then copy and pasting bulks of it like a propagandist. This is my friendly advice.
Are you sure he is copy-pasting? Nobody really writes that way other than Nik.
what do you mean, all I've ever seen from nik is copy and paste, it gets irritating to read after a while.... If this thread is any different, I probably got turned off by the "...." after each sentence fragment and stopped reading. Maybe I'm wrong.
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I fear that the way people are prejudging Nik and discrediting him without really considering the content of his arguments could be similar to the way Jews and others prejudged Jabotinsky and never really considered what he had to say. I could be wrong but I think it's a possibility because this has happened more than once throughout history. The story Nik tells is riveting and the facts should be checked to see how much of it is true.
Honestly? He's studied this stuff more than I have so I have no way of verifying unless I go do all the research myself. If we had a historian here who could go head to head with Nik that would be interesting.
If history is any indication you will all probably try to discredit me for pointing this out.
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It's funny how nik posts so much on topics he knows nothing about. Vatican, Jesuit movement etc. Very few Jewish rabbis are experts on such things, yet nik proves that he isn't by his constant Mass-copy-pasting.
Nik, I suggest you start digesting research material and using discernment to gain a true understanding rather than taking all that seemingly agrees with your preconceived notions as fact and then copy and pasting bulks of it like a propagandist. This is my friendly advice.
Are you sure he is copy-pasting? Nobody really writes that way other than Nik.
what do you mean, all I've ever seen from nik is copy and paste, it gets irritating to read after a while.... If this thread is any different, I probably got turned off by the "...." after each sentence fragment and stopped reading. Maybe I'm wrong.
Spot on KWRBT, the '...' is very irritating as it is not used in the correct manner. He uses this to punctuate each and every sentence. It denotes a person who has not learned proper grammer nor persuasive arguments.
muman613
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Personally I think religious theocracy is the best system...
seriously....
muman613
well, it depends which nation... If there is a nation which as all types of religions and theologies, this woudl be a terrible type of government...so I ask, for whom would you recommend a religious theocracy? How can one determine it will be fair even for a Jewish nation that within itself has a pluralistic manner of practicing Judaism?
Dr Dan,
I was not being entirely serious when I proposed this. I do believe when we have risen to the level which Hashem wants us to the entire world may be able to live by Torah. This will be a glorious time, which I hope we see soon. But it seems it me beyond our capabilities. I will be ready when Moshiach comes.
muman613
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BTW, what is Niks message? I fail to see anything besides the fear that all the world governments are conspiring against us and trying to destroy us. I know this is not true because I live in this world and I am doing very well and I remain faithful to my religion.
muman613
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It's funny how nik posts so much on topics he knows nothing about. Vatican, Jesuit movement etc. Very few Jewish rabbis are experts on such things, yet nik proves that he isn't by his constant Mass-copy-pasting.
Nik, I suggest you start digesting research material and using discernment to gain a true understanding rather than taking all that seemingly agrees with your preconceived notions as fact and then copy and pasting bulks of it like a propagandist. This is my friendly advice.
Are you sure he is copy-pasting? Nobody really writes that way other than Nik.
what do you mean, all I've ever seen from nik is copy and paste, it gets irritating to read after a while.... If this thread is any different, I probably got turned off by the "...." after each sentence fragment and stopped reading. Maybe I'm wrong.
Spot on KWRBT, the '...' is very irritating as it is not used in the correct manner. He uses this to punctuate each and every sentence. It denotes a person who has not learned proper grammer nor persuasive arguments.
muman613
That argument you just made wasn't that persuasive. What does someone's punctuation have to do with how well they form arguments?
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BTW, what is Niks message? I fail to see anything besides the fear that all the world governments are conspiring against us and trying to destroy us. I know this is not true because I live in this world and I am doing very well and I remain faithful to my religion.
muman613
That is because you appear to have commonsense and are probably not wearing a 'tinfoil' hat. ;)
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source material to follow madeline... back in awhile... nik. out...
Nik, nothing personal, but why don't you write in sentences? Without sentences it all sounds a bit creepy, like Anthony Hopkins in the Silence of the Lambs. Sentences have been in use for a long time, and have proved their value.
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It's funny how nik posts so much on topics he knows nothing about. Vatican, Jesuit movement etc. Very few Jewish rabbis are experts on such things, yet nik proves that he isn't by his constant Mass-copy-pasting.
Nik, I suggest you start digesting research material and using discernment to gain a true understanding rather than taking all that seemingly agrees with your preconceived notions as fact and then copy and pasting bulks of it like a propagandist. This is my friendly advice.
Are you sure he is copy-pasting? Nobody really writes that way other than Nik.
what do you mean, all I've ever seen from nik is copy and paste, it gets irritating to read after a while.... If this thread is any different, I probably got turned off by the "...." after each sentence fragment and stopped reading. Maybe I'm wrong.
Spot on KWRBT, the '...' is very irritating as it is not used in the correct manner. He uses this to punctuate each and every sentence. It denotes a person who has not learned proper grammer nor persuasive arguments.
muman613
That argument you just made wasn't that persuasive. What does someone's punctuation have to do with how well they form arguments?
It is not my job to try to persuade anyone whether or not Nik is to be trusted. I know my experience and what I learn. This stuff makes good stories for the TV and books, but as others have said it seems contradictory to the real purpose which I think JTF tries to accomplish.
Lubab, what is your impression of the situation. Do you really believe there is an evil cabal which is causing all evil in the world?
muman613
PS: Do you also believe in the Devil? Or in the power of Satan?
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BTW, what is Niks message? I fail to see anything besides the fear that all the world governments are conspiring against us and trying to destroy us. I know this is not true because I live in this world and I am doing very well and I remain faithful to my religion.
muman613
You haven't noticed the constant onslaught by all the world governments to get little Israel to commit national suicide (leading to another holocoust G-d forbid)?
You haven't noticed the fanatic support by all the world governments for a Muslim anti-semitic American president who is very likely to start a race war here against whites and jews?
Frankly, I just don't know what you are talking about. If you want to look at the very very small picture I might agree with you but if you step back a bit you'd have to admit there is a war going on against us.
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It's funny how nik posts so much on topics he knows nothing about. Vatican, Jesuit movement etc. Very few Jewish rabbis are experts on such things, yet nik proves that he isn't by his constant Mass-copy-pasting.
Nik, I suggest you start digesting research material and using discernment to gain a true understanding rather than taking all that seemingly agrees with your preconceived notions as fact and then copy and pasting bulks of it like a propagandist. This is my friendly advice.
Are you sure he is copy-pasting? Nobody really writes that way other than Nik.
what do you mean, all I've ever seen from nik is copy and paste, it gets irritating to read after a while.... If this thread is any different, I probably got turned off by the "...." after each sentence fragment and stopped reading. Maybe I'm wrong.
Spot on KWRBT, the '...' is very irritating as it is not used in the correct manner. He uses this to punctuate each and every sentence. It denotes a person who has not learned proper grammer nor persuasive arguments.
muman613
That argument you just made wasn't that persuasive. What does someone's punctuation have to do with how well they form arguments?
It is not my job to try to persuade anyone whether or not Nik is to be trusted. I know my experience and what I learn. This stuff makes good stories for the TV and books, but as others have said it seems contradictory to the real purpose which I think JTF tries to accomplish.
Lubab, what is your impression of the situation. Do you really believe there is an evil cabal which is causing all evil in the world?
muman613
PS: Do you also believe in the Devil? Or in the power of Satan?
The devil? No. Not a Jewish concept.
Satan is a Jewish concept but it is often misunderstood.
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BTW, what is Niks message? I fail to see anything besides the fear that all the world governments are conspiring against us and trying to destroy us. I know this is not true because I live in this world and I am doing very well and I remain faithful to my religion.
muman613
You haven't noticed the constant onslaught by all the world governments to get little Israel to commit national suicide (leading to another holocoust G-d forbid)?
You haven't noticed the fanatic support by all the world governments for a Muslim anti-semitic American president?
Frankly, I just don't know what you are talking about. If you want to look at the very very small picture I might agree with you but if you step back a bit you'd have to admit there is a war going on against us.
Lubab,
There are many reasons for the current state of things. I think it is in some way because our country tries too hard to make everyone happy. This is the same problem with Israel. It is true that there are forces which want a New World Order. I dont support that goal.
But I dont think writing like this helps us prevent the public from percieving Obamar as a popular candidate. What I think should be accomplished is to point to his lack of experience and his positions on important issues.
I respect your concern for the well being of the future of our people. And for that reason I will refrain from being too harsh in my judgements.
Thank you,
muman613
PS: Good answer on the Devil :) I was hoping you would say that...
PPS: I understand the concept of HaSatan, the accuser, who stands before the heavenly tribunal to testify to the averahs we have done. It is an issue I have argued with others about.
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Is there a cabal causing all the evil in the world?
Let's just put it this way. There is a lot of evil going on in the world. Most of the world's money and power is concentrated in a pretty small group of people. Whether or not they are planning something intentionally in conspiratorial fashion I have no idea because I am not invited to their meetings, nor am I even sure they have meetings.
So I have no idea to what extent this effort is organized or intentional but the Jews remain a small group surrounded by a pack of 70 wolves, facing many threats to their very survival. Who is REALLY behind it? What are the details? I must humbly admit I don't know.
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Is there a cabal causing all the evil in the world?
Let's just put it this way. There is a lot of evil going on in the world. Most of the world's money and power is concentrated in a pretty small group of people. Whether or not they are planning something intentionally in conspiratorial fashion I have no idea because I am not invited to their meetings, nor am I even sure they have meetings.
So I have no idea to what extent this effort is organized or intentional but the Jews remain a small group surrounded by a pack of 70 wolves, facing many threats to their very survival. Who is REALLY behind it? What are the details? I must humbly admit I don't know.
This is something I can agree. History has shown that the non-Jewish systems are usually destructive to the Jewish soul. I understand this. But I also appreciate the goodness which this country has bestowed on me and my family. I cannot say that we have done poorly.
I give a good deal to the causes which require giving. I support Torah Scholars in Israel through the organization Ezra Torah. I give to Aish yeshiva, and to Chabad. I support my people every way I can.
What I disagree with is the way this is perceived by those from the outside. Do the Jews really hate America and think that it is against us? I am one who doesnt even come close to thinking like that.
muman613
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Is there a cabal causing all the evil in the world?
Let's just put it this way. There is a lot of evil going on in the world. Most of the world's money and power is concentrated in a pretty small group of people. Whether or not they are planning something intentionally in conspiratorial fashion I have no idea because I am not invited to their meetings, nor am I even sure they have meetings.
So I have no idea to what extent this effort is organized or intentional but the Jews remain a small group surrounded by a pack of 70 wolves, facing many threats to their very survival. Who is REALLY behind it? What are the details? I must humbly admit I don't know.
This is something I can agree. History has shown that the non-Jewish systems are usually destructive to the Jewish soul. I understand this. But I also appreciate the goodness which this country has bestowed on me and my family. I cannot say that we have done poorly.
I give a good deal to the causes which require giving. I support Torah Scholars in Israel through the organization Ezra Torah. I give to Aish yeshiva, and to Chabad. I support my people every way I can.
What I disagree with is the way this is perceived by those from the outside. Do the Jews really hate America and think that it is against us? I am one who doesnt even come close to thinking like that.
muman613
Well when we talk about "America" we need to clarify if we are talking about the American government or its citizens. I have no problem with the American people and I don't think Nik does either.
Qualification: A growing minority of the American people are anti-semitic blacks and other third world haters and I do have a problem with them.
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It's funny how nik posts so much on topics he knows nothing about. Vatican, Jesuit movement etc. Very few Jewish rabbis are experts on such things, yet nik proves that he isn't by his constant Mass-copy-pasting.
Nik, I suggest you start digesting research material and using discernment to gain a true understanding rather than taking all that seemingly agrees with your preconceived notions as fact and then copy and pasting bulks of it like a propagandist. This is my friendly advice.
Are you sure he is copy-pasting? Nobody really writes that way other than Nik.
what do you mean, all I've ever seen from nik is copy and paste, it gets irritating to read after a while.... If this thread is any different, I probably got turned off by the "...." after each sentence fragment and stopped reading. Maybe I'm wrong.
:-\.
I fear that the way people are prejudging Nik and discrediting him without really considering the content of his arguments could be similar to the way Jews and others prejudged Jabotinsky and never really considered what he had to say. I could be wrong but I think it's a possibility because this has happened more than once throughout history. The story Nik tells is riveting and the facts should be checked to see how much of it is true.
Honestly? He's studied this stuff more than I have so I have no way of verifying unless I go do all the research myself. If we had a historian here who could go head to head with Nik that would be interesting.
If history is any indication you will all probably try to discredit me for pointing this out.
Lubab....no disrespect, but it is no surprise from you saying this, realizing that you are considering that 9/11 might have been a US govt conspiracy.
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source material to follow madeline... back in awhile... nik. out...
Nik, nothing personal, but why don't you write in sentences? Without sentences it all sounds a bit creepy, like Anthony Hopkins in the Silence of the Lambs. Sentences have been in use for a long time, and have proved their value.
Darreg- nik is a person that brings contraversy on the forum, I, personally like the way he writes, maybe he is trying to come across that way for a reason, we dont have many friends right now, you know, I just DONT like when everyone gets UGLY. So as long as it does not get ugly, I like it. :)
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Personally I think religious theocracy is the best system...
seriously....
muman613
well, it depends which nation... If there is a nation which as all types of religions and theologies, this woudl be a terrible type of government...so I ask, for whom would you recommend a religious theocracy? How can one determine it will be fair even for a Jewish nation that within itself has a pluralistic manner of practicing Judaism?
Dr Dan,
I was not being entirely serious when I proposed this. I do believe when we have risen to the level which Hashem wants us to the entire world may be able to live by Torah. This will be a glorious time, which I hope we see soon. But it seems it me beyond our capabilities. I will be ready when Moshiach comes.
muman613
idealistically, Israel would work under this condition eventually when all Jews understand the importance of Torah. However, man is tremendously imperfect and today even more evil that we used to be. For example, we live in a day where some Jews who present themsevles as religious are truely evil and govts which are truely evil..How can the common man trust the intention any ruler today?
So we need zealouts of righteousness to take course, like Chaim...to be a force for good..to scream for good. To stand up for good... Here is where the problem lies today. No govt is ideal..theocracy, democracy, despotism, etc, until we have someone righteous..or a govt which is righteous ruling over people...And what defines righteous..at least from a Jewish point of view and with my understanding, is when a person or govt rules with good righteous intentions (and for Jews according to Torah with proper and appropriate interpretations for the time according to past tzaddik rabbis), mercifully towards the people and nation, and with humility. except we have too many with egos who are power hungry. In reality, us jews, we should not desire to be powerful...
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Personally I think religious theocracy is the best system...
seriously....
muman613
well, it depends which nation... If there is a nation which as all types of religions and theologies, this woudl be a terrible type of government...so I ask, for whom would you recommend a religious theocracy? How can one determine it will be fair even for a Jewish nation that within itself has a pluralistic manner of practicing Judaism?
Dr Dan,
I was not being entirely serious when I proposed this. I do believe when we have risen to the level which Hashem wants us to the entire world may be able to live by Torah. This will be a glorious time, which I hope we see soon. But it seems it me beyond our capabilities. I will be ready when Moshiach comes.
muman613
idealistically, Israel would work under this condition eventually when all Jews understand the importance of Torah. However, man is tremendously imperfect and today even more evil that we used to be. For example, we live in a day where some Jews who present themsevles as religious are truely evil and govts which are truely evil..How can the common man trust the intention any ruler today?
So we need zealouts of righteousness to take course, like Chaim...to be a force for good..to scream for good. To stand up for good... Here is where the problem lies today. No govt is ideal..theocracy, democracy, despotism, etc, until we have someone righteous..or a govt which is righteous ruling over people...And what defines righteous..at least from a Jewish point of view and with my understanding, is when a person or govt rules with good righteous intentions (and for Jews according to Torah with proper and appropriate interpretations for the time according to past tzaddik rabbis), mercifully towards the people and nation, and with humility. except we have too many with egos who are power hungry. In reality, us jews, we should not desire to be powerful...
Dr Dan,
You have expressed this very well. I agree with you about just about everything you said here. It will happen as our prophets have forseen. If you listen to the Rabbis talking about the birth pangs of Moshiach they alway say that it seems we are in the end time. The incredible fall of morality and the division which has occurred was all foreseen in the time of prophecy. I was explaining to a friend of mine that if you look at the story of Shemos {Exodus} the Jews fell to the 49th level of tumah {impurity}. They could not fall any more and still remain the Jewish people. What is learned from this? That before the redemption we may have to fall a great deal. This only strengthens my own EMMUNAH.
muman613
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Personally I think religious theocracy is the best system...
seriously....
muman613
well, it depends which nation... If there is a nation which as all types of religions and theologies, this woudl be a terrible type of government...so I ask, for whom would you recommend a religious theocracy? How can one determine it will be fair even for a Jewish nation that within itself has a pluralistic manner of practicing Judaism?
Dr Dan,
I was not being entirely serious when I proposed this. I do believe when we have risen to the level which Hashem wants us to the entire world may be able to live by Torah. This will be a glorious time, which I hope we see soon. But it seems it me beyond our capabilities. I will be ready when Moshiach comes.
muman613
idealistically, Israel would work under this condition eventually when all Jews understand the importance of Torah. However, man is tremendously imperfect and today even more evil that we used to be. For example, we live in a day where some Jews who present themsevles as religious are truely evil and govts which are truely evil..How can the common man trust the intention any ruler today?
So we need zealouts of righteousness to take course, like Chaim...to be a force for good..to scream for good. To stand up for good... Here is where the problem lies today. No govt is ideal..theocracy, democracy, despotism, etc, until we have someone righteous..or a govt which is righteous ruling over people...And what defines righteous..at least from a Jewish point of view and with my understanding, is when a person or govt rules with good righteous intentions (and for Jews according to Torah with proper and appropriate interpretations for the time according to past tzaddik rabbis), mercifully towards the people and nation, and with humility. except we have too many with egos who are power hungry. In reality, us jews, we should not desire to be powerful...
Dr Dan,
You have expressed this very well. I agree with you about just about everything you said here. It will happen as our prophets have forseen. If you listen to the Rabbis talking about the birth pangs of Moshiach they alway say that it seems we are in the end time. The incredible fall of morality and the division which has occurred was all foreseen in the time of prophecy. I was explaining to a friend of mine that if you look at the story of Shemos {Exodus} the Jews fell to the 49th level of tumah {impurity}. They could not fall any more and still remain the Jewish people. What is learned from this? That before the redemption we may have to fall a great deal. This only strengthens my own EMMUNAH.
muman613
But what's a great fall? One woudl say the 6 million slaughter of the Shoah? I mean who knows really? Almost any Jew who is of the proper lineage can be moshiach at anytime...but to be him woudl take more than just proclaiming to be...Right now, we live in this world..we are supposed to be a force of good..and if not to a whole mass, to a few who can spread some good things outward and so on and so forth...
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Personally I think religious theocracy is the best system...
seriously....
muman613
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well, it depends which nation... If there is a nation which as all types of religions and theologies, this woudl be a terrible type of government...so I ask, for whom would you recommend a religious theocracy? How can one determine it will be fair even for a Jewish nation that within itself has a pluralistic manner of practicing Judaism?
Dr Dan,
I was not being entirely serious when I proposed this. I do believe when we have risen to the level which Hashem wants us to the entire world may be able to live by Torah. This will be a glorious time, which I hope we see soon. But it seems it me beyond our capabilities. I will be ready when Moshiach comes.
muman613
idealistically, Israel would work under this condition eventually when all Jews understand the importance of Torah. However, man is tremendously imperfect and today even more evil that we used to be. For example, we live in a day where some Jews who present themsevles as religious are truely evil and govts which are truely evil..How can the common man trust the intention any ruler today?
So we need zealouts of righteousness to take course, like Chaim...to be a force for good..to scream for good. To stand up for good... Here is where the problem lies today. No govt is ideal..theocracy, democracy, despotism, etc, until we have someone righteous..or a govt which is righteous ruling over people...And what defines righteous..at least from a Jewish point of view and with my understanding, is when a person or govt rules with good righteous intentions (and for Jews according to Torah with proper and appropriate interpretations for the time according to past tzaddik rabbis), mercifully towards the people and nation, and with humility. except we have too many with egos who are power hungry. In reality, us jews, we should not desire to be powerful...
Dr Dan,
You have expressed this very well. I agree with you about just about everything you said here. It will happen as our prophets have forseen. If you listen to the Rabbis talking about the birth pangs of Moshiach they alway say that it seems we are in the end time. The incredible fall of morality and the division which has occurred was all foreseen in the time of prophecy. I was explaining to a friend of mine that if you look at the story of Shemos {Exodus} the Jews fell to the 49th level of tumah {impurity}. They could not fall any more and still remain the Jewish people. What is learned from this? That before the redemption we may have to fall a great deal. This only strengthens my own EMMUNAH.
muman613
Shalom Muman613...We live in G-d's World because he placed us here to tend his Garden...Satan has sent forth starving locusts to devour all that is good in his garden...we must defeat Satan's locusts by killing them off and their eggs too....G-d expects this of us...we are his Children and we must survive and continue to serve G-d through mitzvot.
P.S. The Locusts are coming from the Middle East....we need to eliminate them...before they devour us.
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Personally I think religious theocracy is the best system...
seriously....
muman613
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well, it depends which nation... If there is a nation which as all types of religions and theologies, this woudl be a terrible type of government...so I ask, for whom would you recommend a religious theocracy? How can one determine it will be fair even for a Jewish nation that within itself has a pluralistic manner of practicing Judaism?
Dr Dan,
I was not being entirely serious when I proposed this. I do believe when we have risen to the level which Hashem wants us to the entire world may be able to live by Torah. This will be a glorious time, which I hope we see soon. But it seems it me beyond our capabilities. I will be ready when Moshiach comes.
muman613
idealistically, Israel would work under this condition eventually when all Jews understand the importance of Torah. However, man is tremendously imperfect and today even more evil that we used to be. For example, we live in a day where some Jews who present themsevles as religious are truely evil and govts which are truely evil..How can the common man trust the intention any ruler today?
So we need zealouts of righteousness to take course, like Chaim...to be a force for good..to scream for good. To stand up for good... Here is where the problem lies today. No govt is ideal..theocracy, democracy, despotism, etc, until we have someone righteous..or a govt which is righteous ruling over people...And what defines righteous..at least from a Jewish point of view and with my understanding, is when a person or govt rules with good righteous intentions (and for Jews according to Torah with proper and appropriate interpretations for the time according to past tzaddik rabbis), mercifully towards the people and nation, and with humility. except we have too many with egos who are power hungry. In reality, us jews, we should not desire to be powerful...
Dr Dan,
You have expressed this very well. I agree with you about just about everything you said here. It will happen as our prophets have forseen. If you listen to the Rabbis talking about the birth pangs of Moshiach they alway say that it seems we are in the end time. The incredible fall of morality and the division which has occurred was all foreseen in the time of prophecy. I was explaining to a friend of mine that if you look at the story of Shemos {Exodus} the Jews fell to the 49th level of tumah {impurity}. They could not fall any more and still remain the Jewish people. What is learned from this? That before the redemption we may have to fall a great deal. This only strengthens my own EMMUNAH.
muman613
Shalom Muman613...We live in G-d's World because he placed us here to tend his Garden...Satan has sent forth starving locusts to devour all that is good in his garden...we must defeat Satan's locusts by killing them off and their eggs too....G-d expects this of us...we are his Children and we must survive and continue to serve G-d through mitzvot.
P.S. The Locusts are coming from the Middle East....we need to eliminate them...before they devour us.
republicandox,
I believe that the Satan is that which challenges us. Hashem has only good in mind for us and it is our responsibility, the Jewish people, to rectify the original disruption of the plan which occured because of the sin in the garden. We are his children and we are being Chastised by him. I posted a Psalm today which expresses this idea {Chapter 44}. http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=23988.0
We will be victorious in the end, this has been promised. The journey will not be easy and the personal Satan will challenge our faith and trust in the promise. This is how I see life every day. It is such a personal challenge, and a family challenge, and a national challenge, and a human challenge. My family has been dealt nothing but challenge, and we have survived and thrived. It is this challenge which makes my faith in the world to come so real.
muman613