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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: bd1111 on August 14, 2008, 09:40:39 AM
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Please join the Hindu Unity Forum and share your thoughts.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
http://hinduunity.org/hinduunity/index.php
Also, please check out my other thread "Misconceptions about Hinduism and India on the JTF Forum."
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Hinduism has some very bizarre rituals associated with it. I don't see how you could have a lot of misconceptions about it that weren't true in some odd branch of the religion. For example how can you say Islam treats women badly with all the horrific things that Hindus have done to women?
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I think It would not be in our best interest to reach out to Hindus. If they wan't to join us, fine. But we should not initiate it.
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For example how can you say Islam treats women badly with all the horrific things that Hindus have done to women?
Remember, we have no quarrel with Hindus. We may not agree with all their teachings but at least they don't go chopping of the clitorises of little girls. And they don't encourage their children to blow themselves up in order to kill as many innocents as possible.
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As long as they are sincere in thier support of Israel, the Kahanist movement and the protection of the world form Islam, I think we can be allies.
Culturally and historically India is fascinating to me personally, however, I have no desire to extend my knowledge or understanding of Hinduism, and do not care to divert my attention and efforts away from JTF.
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For example how can you say Islam treats women badly with all the horrific things that Hindus have done to women?
Remember, we have no quarrel with Hindus. We may not agree with all their teachings but at least they don't go chopping of the clitorises of little girls. And they don't encourage their children to blow themselves up in order to kill as many innocents as possible.
Are you kidding me? They kill little girls because they don't want to have to pay the dowry to the husband's family. They have one little girl and let her grow up but others they murder at birth if they can't afford them. The ones that live are often good for carrying things and being baby machines, that's it. Sometimes they're beaten if they have a girl instead of a boy, as if it's their fault. They're too ignorant to figure out it's the male's sperm that determines the gender of a baby, not the woman's egg. They often marry off the little girls when they're young and then the girls stay with their families until they get older and join the husband, but if the husband dies, even while both husband and wife are still little children, then the girl is considered to be a "widow" and is not allowed to remarry and has many priveleges of her life stolen from her.
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I have no problem with Hindus and welcome them as friends. Obviously if I agreed with their religion, I would be Hindu. They are ideal allies in the war on islam.
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Okay everyone, before you make any decisions please be informed. I realize there will be differing views on this which is fine. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I just want the members of this forum to have at least a rudimentary understanding of Hindus and Hinduism before they jump to any conclusions or decisions.
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For example how can you say Islam treats women badly with all the horrific things that Hindus have done to women?
Remember, we have no quarrel with Hindus. We may not agree with all their teachings but at least they don't go chopping of the clitorises of little girls. And they don't encourage their children to blow themselves up in order to kill as many innocents as possible.
Are you kidding me? They kill little girls because they don't want to have to pay the dowry to the husband's family. They have one little girl and let her grow up but others they murder at birth if they can't afford them. The ones that live are often good for carrying things and being baby machines, that's it. Sometimes they're beaten if they have a girl instead of a boy, as if it's their fault. They're too ignorant to figure out it's the male's sperm that determines the gender of a baby, not the woman's egg. They often marry off the little girls when they're young and then the girls stay with their families until they get older and join the husband, but if the husband dies, even while both husband and wife are still little children, then the girl is considered to be a "widow" and is not allowed to remarry and has many priveleges of her life stolen from her.
Some may do this things, but it remains a fact, that people with Hindu background are successfull businessmen, craftsmen and farmers in different sectors. I know no problems with these kind of people in my country.
This rituals you speak of are from the last or the before last century.
I have respect for hardworking people. And my good GP/JTF fellow Friedrich is a wonderfull person and half Indian. He would never think of such things.
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Welcome to the forum..I've always had respect for the Hindu faith since I believe it has never been used as a reason for war, and it is so old. Moreover, I find that the Indian people are collectively for the most part, the most polite and friendly people I've ever met. They've made the awful neighborhoods in Queens and Brooklyn much. much better!
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Are you kidding me? They kill little girls because they don't want to have to pay the dowry to the husband's family. They have one little girl and let her grow up but others they murder at birth if they can't afford them. The ones that live are often good for carrying things and being baby machines, that's it. Sometimes they're beaten if they have a girl instead of a boy, as if it's their fault. They're too ignorant to figure out it's the male's sperm that determines the gender of a baby, not the woman's egg. They often marry off the little girls when they're young and then the girls stay with their families until they get older and join the husband, but if the husband dies, even while both husband and wife are still little children, then the girl is considered to be a "widow" and is not allowed to remarry and has many priveleges of her life stolen from her.
Ruby, with all due respect you're not being fair to Hindus. The practices you mention are not actually commanded or sanctioned by Hinduism--they result from the idiosyncratic practices of particular clans. The Bhagavad Gita doesn't order beatings for women who bear female children.
Our enemy is Islam, and I can promise you that Islam is responsible for a thousandfold more atrocities against women than Islam is.
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PS: I went to HinduUnity.org once many, many years ago and seem to recall a mission statement page where they specifically said that they want to ban female infanticide.
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I have no problem with Hindus and welcome them as friends. Obviously if I agreed with their religion, I would be Hindu. They are ideal allies in the war on islam.
I agree 100%.
Welcome to the forum, bd1111!
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The more the merrier... Welcome Aboard bd1111!
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Here is a JTF video regarding India and Hindus which I full support.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6dsIGyHLfc
Indo-Israeli relations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Israeli_relations
US-Israel-India: Strategic axis?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3092726.stm
India and Israel: A Balancing Alliance
http://www.diplomaticourier.org/web_feature_219_India_Israel_Balancing_alliance_Castillo.html
Israel to launch website in Hindi
http://www.freshnews.in/israel-to-launch-website-in-hindi-and-urdu-36984
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Please join the Hindu Unity Forum and share your thoughts.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
http://hinduunity.org/hinduunity/index.php
Also, please check out my other thread "Misconceptions about Hinduism and India on the JTF Forum."
I'm not interested in Hindu, but I believe an alliance between Israel and India (and therefore Jews and Hindus) against world Islam and Arab countries is at this time in both of our best interests.
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Okay everyone, before you make any decisions please be informed. I realize there will be differing views on this which is fine. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I just want the members of this forum to have at least a rudimentary understanding of Hindus and Hinduism before they jump to any conclusions or decisions.
We're not interested in other religions. If you want to join with us, JOIN!
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Hi bd1111 and welcome!
I think there's enough common interest against Islamic terror to ally on that topic.
Btw, lately I found a site that provides several ebooks on India's encounter with muslim invaders:
http://www.voi.org/books
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I'v been to hindunity it's a very good board anti moslem
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Hindu or no Hindu...Every person is entitled to their brand of theology as long as it makes them a decent person. Welcome to the forum.
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Hindu or no Hindu...Every person is entitled to their brand of theology as long as it makes them a decent person. Welcome to the forum.
I'm waiting for the Wiccans to show up.
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Hindu or no Hindu...Every person is entitled to their brand of theology as long as it makes them a decent person. Welcome to the forum.
I'm waiting for the Wiccans to show up.
This is a whole different story. Wiccans coming from our own ranks and they deserve obviously something, but I don't tell what, because I am moderate like Chaim.
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But Hindus are coming from a totally different culture-area and they are the autochthone original religion of this area. They are mainly not prolyterizing in Christian and Jewish communities. We have a theological disagreement, but this should not deter us from cooperation.
We don't have to give up a single point of our beliefs if we cooperate with them. In addition to that I have never made bad experiences with them and heard only good things about their working ethic and honorableness. :)
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Well I guess I'm outvoted. Ratty milk, anyone?
Eating food or drinking water that previously has been sampled by a rat is considered to be a supreme blessing.
(http://blogs.bootsnall.com/fuzzyboots/archives/images/ratsandmilkSFW.jpg)
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Welcome to the forum.
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Hinduism has some very bizarre rituals associated with it. I don't see how you could have a lot of misconceptions about it that weren't true in some odd branch of the religion. For example how can you say Islam treats women badly with all the horrific things that Hindus have done to women?
The key word there is "HAVE DONE" not IS DOING. Many religions, nationalities, etc have a dark history of intolerance/slavery/abusing women but Hindus have adapted like nearly every other group.
What sets Islam apart is that it cannot evolve. The Koran is written in such a way (Like Mein Kampf) to be completely unshakably intolerant and hateful of infidels, etc.
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HinduUnity is great. I was checking out the posts... and most of them seemed intelligent.
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Albeit Jews and Hindus theologically seem to have diametrically opposite opinions and practices but almost all Jewish opinions and practices are available in some or the other groups within Hinduism. So as a matter of fact all of them are mostly not only tolerable but acceptable within Hinduism and vice versa is neither desired not needed.
Hindus and Jews have never in their long histories religiously interfered with each others or even attempted to impose their will in such matters.
Jews have been residing in different parts of India even since 2500 years as a small minority. Not a single complaint or crime of anti-semitic nature or any other has ever been reported by or against Jews. No censorship ever existed to suppress the facts. If someone can provide any evidence to the contrary, I may be simply shaken to the core.
I do not see even a remote chance of Hindus and Jews standing against each other at any time or any place.
BTW if there are any supposedly misunderstandings between Hindus and Jews within present or future, they shall be the wicked handiworks of Muzzies who unfortunately had the time and occasion to know both of them innately.
With Regards... :)
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Message for Rubystars
These types of misrepresentations of Hindus is why I'm bothering with these posts. It is not constructive and honestly childish. It is evident that you have made absolutely no effort to learn about other cultures and what they offer. Nice picture of "ratty milk", thanks. So, should people believe you over people like Oppenheimer, Thoreau, Carl Sagan or Voltaire?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L71FAhl7Yfo
Learning about other culture doesn't mean that you have to give up any of your beliefs, it just makes you more educated. Should you not know who your friends are and what they believe?
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Message for Rubystars
These types of misrepresentations of Hindus is why I'm bothering with these posts. It is not constructive and honestly childish. It is evident that you have made absolutely no effort to learn about other cultures and what they offer. Nice picture of "ratty milk", thanks. So, should people believe you over people like Oppenheimer, Thoreau, Carl Sagan or Voltaire?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L71FAhl7Yfo
Learning about other culture doesn't mean that you have to give up any of your beliefs, it just makes you more educated. Should you not know who your friends are and what they believe?
The more I learn about Hinduism the LESS I like it, but I've been asked to tone it down so as not to cause disunity. Therefore I will not debate with you any further than this post. That is a genuine picture from a genuine temple in India, and so it's not a smear or a slur. Followers of that particular goddess really do drink that milk after the rats have been drinking it and consider the animals to be holy and the milk and other rat-tainted food to give a blessing. As a Christian I don't keep kosher like the Jews do, but I do have standards, and well, to me that's disgusting, as are a lot of other lower caste Hindu practices.
Now your typical Hindu living in the West is not going to behave like that, and will be civilized and normal, but rural India and sometimes even urban India is another matter.
Plus I'm very upset because of all the entry-level office jobs being outsourced to India and the murders of Christians that have happened in India, and the murders and abortions of little Indian girls and the treatment of "widows", even if the widows are still children. I have reasons for being upset with Hinduism, and it's nothing against you personally, but I can't help how I feel about these things.
That's all I really have to say on that topic.
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Well I guess I'm outvoted. Ratty milk, anyone?
Eating food or drinking water that previously has been sampled by a rat is considered to be a supreme blessing.
(http://blogs.bootsnall.com/fuzzyboots/archives/images/ratsandmilkSFW.jpg)
:o
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Rubystars
Okay, I appreciate your restraint. I don't deny that the picture you posted is real. It is. My objection is the way you used it. Your intentional juxtaposition and selective nature of your choice was deliberately meant to hurt or slander. That is obvious. See you can't judge a faith on some isolated practices especially if you haven't even asked why the practice is taking place. Hinduism is full of metaphor and symbolism. It is very easy to misunderstand something at face value.
Secondly, as far you your job situation, please don't hold Indians responsible for job loses in the tech sector. Your problem is with globalization. Unconstrained flow of capital and labor across boarders leads to this problem but on the other hand the US sells there goods and services to the entire world. You should go after the US politicians that give tax breaks for outsourcing jobs and the companies that do it. Indians work harder and are quite intelligent so they get these jobs and others.
Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are! Indians.
My final point is regarding your comments regarding widows and abortions. The practices that you are referring to are archaic and not a large part of modern India. I think these practices are just over exaggerated by missionaries and biased parties.
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Please join the Hindu Unity Forum and share your thoughts.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
http://hinduunity.org/hinduunity/index.php
Also, please check out my other thread "Misconceptions about Hinduism and India on the JTF Forum."
I'm not interested in Hindu, but I believe an alliance between Israel and India (and therefore Jews and Hindus) against world Islam and Arab countries is at this time in both of our best interests.
There isn't much difference in this context, between a Jewish Task Force that calls for gentile members as allies, and a Hindu task force that calls for non-hindu members as allies.
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The Hindus have never threatened the Jewish community of India and anti-semitism in India has been pretty much non-existent. Non-Muslim Indians are also victims of islamic nazism and an alliance with them seems only natural.
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The Hindus have never threatened the Jewish community of India and anti-semitism in India has been pretty much non-existent. Non-Muslim Indians are also victims of islamic nazism and an alliance with them seems only natural.
Yes this is historically right. Good point O0
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The Hindus have never threatened the Jewish community of India and anti-semitism in India has been pretty much non-existent. Non-Muslim Indians are also victims of islamic nazism and an alliance with them seems only natural.
Yes this is historically right. Good point O0
I would have thought everybody knew that!
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yes welcome aboard. ;D
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bd1111 I told Shlomo I wouldn't discuss my feelings about Hindus and Hinduism in the forum because I don't want to hurt JTF.
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bd1111 I told Shlomo I wouldn't discuss my feelings about Hindus and Hinduism in the forum because I don't want to hurt JTF.
I think he is correct here.
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bd, you are right about the tech sector jobs, that fault lies with US politicians.
Though something else has me curious. In another thread in a response to me you said that in India you just want to preserve your culture and be left alone. Fine. My question would then be why are there 3.22 million Indians here in the US?
So, if I get this right, India has every right to protect it's Hindu culture but America does not have the same right to protect it's Judeo-Christian culture?
Now, before I get labelled anything here, I am not saying anything negative about Indians or Hinduism, just calling into question some comments you have made that have me a little confused.
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I think Hindus and Buddhists, both of which face annihilation from Muslim Nazis (the Sanskritic Hindus of India, and the Sinhalese Buddhists of Sri Lanka) should both come to JTF! O0
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Rubystars
Okay, I appreciate your restraint. I don't deny that the picture you posted is real. It is. My objection is the way you used it. Your intentional juxtaposition and selective nature of your choice was deliberately meant to hurt or slander. That is obvious. See you can't judge a faith on some isolated practices especially if you haven't even asked why the practice is taking place. Hinduism is full of metaphor and symbolism. It is very easy to misunderstand something at face value.
Secondly, as far you your job situation, please don't hold Indians responsible for job loses in the tech sector. Your problem is with globalization. Unconstrained flow of capital and labor across boarders leads to this problem but on the other hand the US sells there goods and services to the entire world. You should go after the US politicians that give tax breaks for outsourcing jobs and the companies that do it. Indians work harder and are quite intelligent so they get these jobs and others.
Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are! Indians.
My final point is regarding your comments regarding widows and abortions. The practices that you are referring to are archaic and not a large part of modern India. I think these practices are just over exaggerated by missionaries and biased parties.
Rubystars criticism is myopic and misguided. Indians are an asset in any country they live. Welcome to the forum, brother! You have your religion and I respect it and I respect your right to practice it. Indians suffered, probably more than anyone else, from islam death cult.
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Manch, you don't have to agree with Rubystars, but please don't call her names.
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get more Indians and Hindus to join. Tell your friends..
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Shalom,
As I have said many times, Indians I know are very fine people and we share a common enemy with them. There is no reason to cast dispersions on anyone, as long as they are honest in their search for truth. A good person is one who learns from everyone. There is much good in this world and the only way to realize it is to appreciate it... :)
muman613
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Like I said before, I have respect of Indians and they are in fact hard working and decent people, but if I add this numbers:
Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are! Indians.
with the Jewish statements about this issues, there will be in some sectors more than 120% employees.
;D
If I add the Chinese record & the White Protestant record we will be at least at 180% ;D
No offense, this is really something were exaltation is justified. It is the competition of the righteous. O0
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Like I said before, I have respect of Indians and they are in fact hard working and decent people, but if I add this numbers:
Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America.
There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,
38% of doctors in USA are Indians.
12% scientists in USA are Indians.
36% of NASA scientists are Indians.
34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
28% of IBM employees are Indians.
17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.
13% of XEROX employees are! Indians.
with the Jewish statements about this issues, there will be in some sectors more than 120% employees.
;D
If I add the Chinese record & the White Protestant record we will be at least at 180% ;D
No offense, this is really something were exaltation is justified. It is the competition of the righteous. O0
Hi,
I dont know about these particular #'s.... But in my place of work we have a majority of Indian/Chinese workers. All are working in America on H1-B visas. My friend Rambabu was working on a visa but was working on becoming a citizen. He was very discouraged when it seemed that amnesty for illegals was being discussed.
As far as I know there are only 2 Jews at my work... Me and my secular Israeli friend...
muman613
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<snip> no reason to cast dispersions on anyone, <snip>
the word you are looking for is aspersions. As in "cast aspersions".
Dispersion is a concept in physics, and to disperse is a non specialised english word meaning to scatter.
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My intention was not really to criticize anything, but to make a little bit harmless fun about statistical statements. ;)
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<snip> no reason to cast dispersions on anyone, <snip>
the word you are looking for is aspersions. As in "cast aspersions".
Dispersion is a concept in physics, and to disperse is a non specialised english word meaning to scatter.
Thank you...
very good! ;)
muman613
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You know it has to just eat the lunch of our enemies that we accept Hindus and Buddhists because they can't claim we have something against other people because they believe differently. We obviously have a problem with islam which is a murderous and evil honor/shame cult that calls for our death in their "holy" book.
I think it's wonderful that so many Jews and righteous gentiles are finally coming together to try and save our world from savages and self-serving elitists.
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The only people who hate other religions are the fools over at the kennel-club forum and its archrival, the Shabak forum.
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I don't have a problem with good and righteous individuals of any religion. It's true that it has to drive JTF's enemies nuts to have so many different types of people here working for the same goals.
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I think It would not be in our best interest to reach out to Hindus. If they wan't to join us, fine. But we should not initiate it.
I agree 100%
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Manch, you don't have to agree with Rubystars, but please don't call her names.
What names?! I said that her "criticism is myopic and misguided!" I was referring to this particular thread. And I stand by that. What names, again?
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Manch, you don't have to agree with Rubystars, but please don't call her names.
What names?! I said that her "criticism is myopic and misguided!" I was referring to this particular thread. And I stand by that. What names, again?
I had my reasons for posting what I did but I have voluntarily chosen not to go forward with explaining all those reasons.
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Manch, you don't have to agree with Rubystars, but please don't call her names.
What names?! I said that her "criticism is myopic and misguided!" I was referring to this particular thread. And I stand by that. What names, again?
I had my reasons for posting what I did but I have voluntarily chosen not to go forward with explaining all those reasons.
Of course, but I did not call you names, as Lisa alleged.
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Manch, I don't care if you disagree with Rubystars or any other members. Just say you disagree and state factually why. But referring to her posts as myopic and short sighted is not necessary. I don't think you would appreciate it if others wrote that about your posts.