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MOSCOW [MENL] -- Russia has approved the sale of the S-300PMU2 air defense system to Iran. Russian government sources said Prime Minister Vladimir Putin approvedthe sale of the S-300 surface-to-air missile system to Iran in 2008. The sources said the two countries have concluded delivery and other arrangements for the export of the air defense platform.
reports: MiddleEastNewsline
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I hope this is a hoax. This system is not the usual trash, that Russians sell to emerging nations.
It is absolutly deadly for any jet. Theoretically you can shoot down with it greater ballistic missles.
Plus the quranimals in Teheran have already a system for the low and middle altitudes. And this is the newest development level too. Tor
If the system is operational I highly doubt that an attack by Israel will be successfull.
Israel has to attack the quranimals now!
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I hope this is a hoax. This system is not the usual trash, that Russians sell to emerging nations.
It is absolutly deadly for any jet. Theoretically you can shoot down with it greater ballistic missles.
Plus the quranimals in Teheran have already a system for the low and middle altitudes. And this is the newest development level too. Tor
If the system is operational I highly doubt that an attack by Israel will be successfull.
Israel has to attack the quranimals now!
Can this system see all fighter airplanes, i.e. also stealth airplanes?
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Iran must be in urgent need of getting attacked before S-300 is either delivered or installed or commissioned. O0
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What do the Iranians have for an army right now? How strong is it ?
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I hope this is a hoax. This system is not the usual trash, that Russians sell to emerging nations.
It is absolutly deadly for any jet. Theoretically you can shoot down with it greater ballistic missles.
Plus the quranimals in Teheran have already a system for the low and middle altitudes. And this is the newest development level too. Tor
If the system is operational I highly doubt that an attack by Israel will be successfull.
Israel has to attack the quranimals now!
Can this system see all fighter airplanes, i.e. also stealth airplanes?
All systems have to a certain degree problems with real stealth bombers. But the system can locate for shure a football in 150 km distance. So it is possible to likely :(
It works with different radar systems. There is not only one radar-unit, but different ones with different abilities and tasks.
The whole system is very very good. :( :( :(
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Stealth Bombers are not invincible. Further they also suffer from slow speeds. However in combination with Raptors, they can become deadly.
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Iran Army:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iran
S-300 Missile:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300
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Iran Army:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iran
S-300 Missile:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300
The S-300PMU-2 Favorite (Russian C-300ПМУ-2 Фаворит – Favourite, DoD designation SA-20B), introduced in 1997, is an upgrade to the S-300PMU-1 with range extended once again to 195 km (121 mi) with the introduction of the 48N6E2 missile. This system is apparently capable against not just short range ballistic missiles, but now also medium range tactical ballistic missiles. It uses the 83M6E2 command and control system, consisting of the 54K6E2 command post vehicle and the 64N6E2 surveillance/detection radar. It employs the 30N6E2 fire control/illumination and guidance radar. Like the S-300PMU-1, 12 TELs can be controlled, with any mix of 5P85SE2 self propelled and 5P85TE2 trailer launchers. Optionally it can make use of the 96L6E all altitude detection radar and 76N6 low altitude detection radar, just like the S-300PMU-1.[1]
Sorry I got the wrong development version - now it is correct :)
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How does the S-300 compare to other systems?
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How does the S-300 compare to other systems?
It is similar to the NATO-System Patriot and I think equal
Tor1 is similar to Hawk but much better
Strela 3 is similar to Fliegerfaust or better known as Stinger II and at least so effective.
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How does the S-300 compare to other systems?
It is similar to the NATO-System Patriot and I think equal
Tor1 is similar to Hawk but much better
Strela 3 is similar to Fliegerfaust or better known as Stinger II and at least so effective.
So ? Was the Patriot system able to intercept all missiles during the first gulf war?! I don't think so.
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http://www.menewsline.com/article-1150,1430-Russia-OKs-S--Sale-To-Iran.aspx - here's the link!
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How does the S-300 compare to other systems?
It is similar to the NATO-System Patriot and I think equal
Tor1 is similar to Hawk but much better
Strela 3 is similar to Fliegerfaust or better known as Stinger II and at least so effective.
So ? Was the Patriot system able to intercept all missiles during the first gulf war?! I don't think so.
It is so difficult to intercept missles, because even intermediate-range missile leave the atmosphere of the earth and then come back in and develop incredeble speed.
The most speedy jet of the Israeli Air Force is against such a missle a lame duck.
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How does the S-300 compare to other systems?
It is similar to the NATO-System Patriot and I think equal
Tor1 is similar to Hawk but much better
Strela 3 is similar to Fliegerfaust or better known as Stinger II and at least so effective.
So ? Was the Patriot system able to intercept all missiles during the first gulf war?! I don't think so.
It is so difficult to intercept missles, because even intermediate-range missile leave the atmosphere of the earth and then come back in and develop incredeble speed.
The most speedy jet of the Israeli Air Force is against such a missle a lame duck.
So in that case, if the USA wants to repeat the opening salvo it gave on bagdad, we shouldn't worry that the thousands of tomwahawks miss their targets, aren't we?
Do we need jets to fly into Iran, to cripple it's defences?!
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The only sane solution to break through the air-defense is in fact to sent cruise missiles in the first wave. The quranimals have not endless rockets, because this system is a little too advanced for their technique abilities. So you wait until they have fired their rockets and then you make a snap. But I don't know if Israel has hundreds of cruise missles. :-\
One thing is for shure. It will not work like the last time with Osirak.
If the Russians are really so evil to give the quranimals this advanced system, the USA have to do it.
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The only sane solution to break through the air-defense is in fact to sent cruise missiles in the first wave. The quranimals have not endless rockets, because this system is a little too advanced for their technique abilities. So you wait until they have fired their rockets and then you make a snap. But I don't know if Israel has hundreds of cruise missles. :-\
One thing is for shure. It will not work like the last time with Osirak.
If the Russians are really so evil to give the quranimals this advanced system, the USA have to do it.
The USA is arming Saudi-Arabia, ... who's citizens did the 9-11 atacks.
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It appears that in typical Iranian situation, the cruise missiles may not be effective as primary weapons. Rather deep bunker penetrating bombs or missiles can be useful to strike deep into their atomic installations. If they are too deep, then mini nukes can be most useful to block their entrances and render them useless.
Once this succeeds, the cruise missiles can play their part.
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The only sane solution to break through the air-defense is in fact to sent cruise missiles in the first wave. The quranimals have not endless rockets, because this system is a little too advanced for their technique abilities. So you wait until they have fired their rockets and then you make a snap. But I don't know if Israel has hundreds of cruise missles. :-\
One thing is for shure. It will not work like the last time with Osirak.
If the Russians are really so evil to give the quranimals this advanced system, the USA have to do it.
The USA is arming Saudi-Arabia, ... who's citizens did the 9-11 atacks.
I basically do not find a paradox in the situation that all the three super powers support the muzzies in one way or the other.
It stems from the diplomatic capabilities of various muzzies that they are able to fool the super powers in such a manner, that the bigger the super power the bigger the fool it turns out to be.
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/124719
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The only strategic solution is energy independence.
The tactical solution is to declare the state of war with Iran and make a statement that any arms shipment to Iran will be destroyed at any point from point A to point B.
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It may be that once the initiative is lost, other things may remain only rituals and mere rhetoric's.
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Perhaps Israel should consider using some of its "unhappier" weapons.
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I believe this is the same system that was sold to Syria to which Israel had a jamming device to which they sent in the IAF to bomb the railroad cars containing nuclear/missile material a few months back no?
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I believe this is the same system that was sold to Syria to which Israel had a jamming device to which they sent in the IAF to bomb the railroad cars containing nuclear/missile material a few months back no?
No I think the Russians sold the Syrians this System. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsir-S1
It is only for Short Range Air Defense. You can compare it with the NATO System Roland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_missile
:)
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Oh ok. Thanks Pheasant.. :)
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SERBS YOU SUPPORT THIS!?
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You see Bush won't do anything about the sales, he won't strike Iran because he is a whimp like his father.
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ever thought that russia wants iran to be attacked? If iran is attacked, 2 things will happen. 1. price of oil will increase. 2. production from Iran will be sharply reduced. Russia would love both of these things, simply because they are an an energy exporter.
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ever thought that russia wants iran to be attacked? If iran is attacked, 2 things will happen. 1. price of oil will increase. 2. production from Iran will be sharply reduced. Russia would love both of these things, simply because they are an an energy exporter.
That's why we DRILL BABY DRILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Geeh, whata shock!!!
I've said it for years..... Russia wants another world war.
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Geeh, whata shock!!!
I've said it for years..... Russia wants another world war.
Are you gonna fight it happens?
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Very true about the oil. Another side of this story is the fact that Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, probably France and some of the EU nations, the entire Muslim World and the African Turd World all support Iran....
If there is another World War, it will be truly a war to end all wars. Would I fight? Not bloody likely unless there is some bastard knocking down my front door. I'd rather be one of those who drags the elitist out of his bed at night to make him/her pay for getting the world into this mess in the first place... ;)
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It may not be the primary question whether Russia or Egypt or someone else wants a new world war or not. Rather the primary question is that if and when Iran develops nukes, how far is it going to spare the so-called infidels and Israel.
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Geeh, whata shock!!!
I've said it for years..... Russia wants another world war.
Are you gonna fight it happens?
I might be a bit old to fight when it happens. (Almost 37 now) But I'll help out in other ways.
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Dear Pheasant
1) Israel still has a decent window of opportunity until the system is fully operational.
2) Every system has its Achilles heel point and I am sure IAF is well aware of its capabilities and will find a proper military response of overcoming its defense.
3) Who said it has to be IAF planes? Why not cruise missiles and ballistic missiles launched from submarines. At the very least to demolish AA batteries?
The problem is not S300 but the lack of resolve this problem presented by the most insidious & lame people in the world.
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The US wants an other war?
Why want they to enter in a new war again?
All the wars after WW2 were caused by the US. When will this madness stop?
The US wants to invade Iran in order to be one step closer to Russia!
They do not care about the safety of the Middle/East, that is a lie.
Its all about imperialistic ambitions towards Eastern Europe.
This all is dedicated to the encircling of Russia.
The US is out of recourses. They are forecasting that they won not have enough resources over 30 years.
The US dream is to colonize and exploit Siberia.
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Hehehe! Remember Russians are not Indians
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Dear Pheasant
1) Israel still has a decent window of opportunity until the system is fully operational.
2) Every system has its Achilles heel point and I am sure IAF is well aware of its capabilities and will find a proper military response of overcoming its defense.
3) Who said it has to be IAF planes? Why not cruise missiles and ballistic missiles launched from submarines. At the very least to demolish AA batteries?
The problem is not S300 but the lack of resolve this problem presented by the most insidious & lame people in the world.
I was teached by the German Airforce on her technical school in xxx about air defense. None of this quranimal savage countries have Tor1 and S-300PMU-2. Strela3 is also very dangerous, because this system filters flares.
None of this systems operates on themselve alone. All are connected. In addition to that they are connected to the higher echelon. So they have always the actual status.
The echelon gets it's information from various radar stations and air space observers.
It is so advanced, that you can see if you sit in the Tor1, S-300PMU-2 or Strela group leader control center with minimal delay what all other units see.
The main problem is imo the S-300PMU-2 system, because it has a phased radar and it is very advanced. :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phased_array
You have great difficulties to destroy it with anti-radar missles. In addition a s300PMU-2 is highly mobile and have some phased radar units.
Imo Israel has to act now. Or they have to trust that the quranimals will not be able to handle the system. But I would not count on this because they are Iranians and no Arabs. :( :( :(
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Hehehe! Remember Russians are not Indians
Hehehe is not appropriate. :(
The Russians should not sell this system to the quranimals. This system belong not in Iranian hands.
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Imo Israel has to act now. Or they have to trust that the quranimals will not be able to handle the system. But I would not count on this because they are Iranians and no Arabs. :( :( :(
Agreed on that! Iranians are quite brainy. Most of so-called muslim inventions were made by Persians. Still, where there is a WILL there will be a WAY, and I am sure Israel will find a very effective response, if given it a go.
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It is a simple linear equation, that should not be made complex.
The wait should not be too long, when even Kyrgyzstan dares to start standing in support of Iran.
If something is not done to Iran, then Iran may get the time and opportunity to do something.
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Imo Israel has to act now. Or they have to trust that the quranimals will not be able to handle the system. But I would not count on this because they are Iranians and no Arabs. :( :( :(
Agreed on that! Iranians are quite brainy. Most of so-called muslim inventions were made by Persians. Still, where there is a WILL there will be a WAY, and I am sure Israel will find a very effective response, if given it a go.
I think the Russians will be for the next decades on the shitlist of the Israelis if they ship this system to Iran.
Althrough I agree that hope is never lost and there is everytime a way.
But from a military point of view, if god doesn't intervene with a miracle, it will cost the life of at least some Israeli soldiers for shure. :(
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SpecOps will take the S300 out new Jewish chief of U.S. Air Force was in Air force SpecOps http://www.jewsingreen.com/home/blog/comments/npr_on_general_schwartz/
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SpecOps will take the S300 out
This is one possible way. But every S300, Tor1 and Strela unit has Force Protection Forces, plus their own soldiers.
The Force protection forces are well equipped, because this systems are pricy and important.
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SpecOps will take the S300 out
This is one possible way. But every S300, Tor1 and Strela unit has Force Protection Forces, plus their own soldiers.
The Force protection forces are well equipped, because this systems are pricy and important.
Yes the motto of the SAS 'Who dares wins' this is a good motto :)
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SpecOps will take the S300 out
This is one possible way. But every S300, Tor1 and Strela unit has Force Protection Forces, plus their own soldiers.
The Force protection forces are well equipped, because this systems are pricy and important.
Yes the motto of the SAS 'Who dares wins' this is a good motto :)
Yes this is a good motto. O0
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SpecOps will take the S300 out
This is one possible way. But every S300, Tor1 and Strela unit has Force Protection Forces, plus their own soldiers.
The Force protection forces are well equipped, because this systems are pricy and important.
Yes the motto of the SAS 'Who dares wins' this is a good motto :)
Yes this is a good motto. O0
Yes and this motto should be applied well before Iran goes critical. O0