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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Scriabin on October 14, 2008, 11:30:06 PM
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Less than 200 visitors today.
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I was working on math this morning and working at the store all afternoon and night until 10pm. I'm here now though. I can't stay away from here for long! :)
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Yes, noticed this also. For the last week, in fact. I don't know why. Most of the people on the forum are usually guests. The number of guests is down and hence the total is down. So the question is why do we have fewer guests. Who are the guests?
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Shalom,
Maybe because we have so many Jews and the High Holidays and Sukkot today our numbers are so low.
muman613
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Shalom,
Maybe because we have so many Jews and the High Holidays and Sukkot today our numbers are so low.
muman613
Let's hope so.
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Shalom,
Maybe because we have so many Jews and the High Holidays and Sukkot today our numbers are so low.
muman613
Let's hope so.
I think that's what it is. I wonder if the forum should be left open on Shabbat and Jewish holidays for our gentile members. I've been noticing that our lowest points tend to be on Saturday nights after the forum is back on, and it stays slow until Sunday. Also after the holidays there tends to be little traffic.
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I enjoy knowing the forum is down on my Shabbat. It prevents me from wanting to know what is 'happening' on the forum. That sorta blows the whole meaning of Shabbat. I think it is good from a spiritual and religious standpoint.
After a long meaningful Shabbat I often wait until Sunday afternoon before I loose my Shabbat glow... :dance:
muman613
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I enjoy knowing the forum is down on my Shabbat. It prevents me from wanting to know what is 'happening' on the forum. That sorta blows the whole meaning of Shabbat. I think it is good from a spiritual and religious standpoint.
After a long meaningful Shabbat I often wait until Sunday afternoon before I loose my Shabbat glow... :dance:
muman613
I think whether the forum was running or not on Shabbat, I wouldn't go on. However, I can imagine that some people would be tempted to at least look at read, if not post. So maybe it isn't such a good idea to keep the forum open on Shabbat.
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Shalom,
Maybe because we have so many Jews and the High Holidays and Sukkot today our numbers are so low.
muman613
Let's hope so.
I think that's what it is. I wonder if the forum should be left open on Shabbat and Jewish holidays for our gentile members. I've been noticing that our lowest points tend to be on Saturday nights after the forum is back on, and it stays slow until Sunday. Also after the holidays there tends to be little traffic.
I agree with you. The majority of members are gentile. I think that closing the forum periodically (and it stays closed for more than 24 hours, which is an overkill, I think) really breaks the momentum of individual reading habits. People start reading other forums and forget to come back.
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I think it's respectful of the Jewish religion to leave the forum down at certain times and I don't have a problem with that, although it is hard sometimes waiting for it to come back up!
I don't know if this will change later (it's ok if it does) but Gentile members can go into the chat room on Shabbat and other times when the forum is down.
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Shalom,
Maybe because we have so many Jews and the High Holidays and Sukkot today our numbers are so low.
muman613
yes, muman, i believe you are correct. :)
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Shalom,
Maybe because we have so many Jews and the High Holidays and Sukkot today our numbers are so low.
muman613
Let's hope so.
As a "gentile" believer, I would vote for that. I know that I found this website by a google search. I had a hard time reading it for information when I had the time because my schedule times. I have found this site to be incredibly informative and helpful. I have learned a lot, and I am still learning. I really appreciate getting the information that I couldn't normally get from the biased media. My husband said that the radio shows are talking about more and more people turning their news channels off to get their infomration from the internet. This might be why Obama wants to have governmental control of the internet if he gets elected. In fact, I have been passing along a lot of the information about Obama to help inform other fellow Americans. In short, I think it would be a good consideration.
I think that's what it is. I wonder if the forum should be left open on Shabbat and Jewish holidays for our gentile members. I've been noticing that our lowest points tend to be on Saturday nights after the forum is back on, and it stays slow until Sunday. Also after the holidays there tends to be little traffic.
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The closing down of the forum has a negative effect on our numbers for sure...
We must find a way to amend this problem for all our members to feel welcome and be able to go on at anytime, there must be a solution somehow!
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Numbers only 72/25 now.
May be the negative impact of recession / economic collapse or gloomy apprehensions in coming elections?
It should not happen.
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People that keep shabbat are not going to be thinking about using the internet anyway!
Most people -prefer- new activity.
I think muman is an exception in prefering to know that nothing is going on.
I am fine with logging on and seeing lots of new activity. That's healthy for the movement.
I keep shabbat, but because of the time zones , by the time shabbat goes out (which is in the evening), the forum is still closed for another 7 hours.
How about having a link saying
"This forum is closed for jews.
But gentiles can -click here- and continue to the forum."
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any jews that did so would do so in shame! and they are breaking shabbat anyway being on the internet. no doubt they'd be checking email for example.
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It would have to be closed for 48 hours for each holyday and Shabbat to take care of all the time zones, because people read this forum all over the world. I am not in the US, for example, so my hours don't overlap with the East Coast Shabbat. But if you are really strict and keep it closed for 48 hours (to make sure that the Shabbat goes around the globe) then you risk losing too many readers, especially at this crucial time. But if you only close it for the Shabbat times on the East Coast, then you are not being consistent anyway. I vote for keeping the forum open at all times.
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it's the bad economy..lots of layoffs.
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can have a page that says gentiles click here..
jews shouldn't be online it's shabbat.
it's not perfect e.g. due to time zones, but it's something.
Another big thing that could be done...
Put links to the videos clearly on the website
Embedded videos perhaps, may look better.
Chaim's videos are a BIG crowd puller
AskJTF is really for the more devoted.
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The problem I think is when users can't access the forum, after several days, they tend to not come back. Most of our gentile members don't know when the Jewish holidays are, so for most of them its a crap shoot as to when they will be able to access the forums and when they will not be able to access the forums. They know they probably can't get on during the Sabbath, but other holidays for the most part for them, just seem to pop up and if your a gentile that can be frustrating. Think of it this way, when you don't update your website, users tend not to come back. It's a perplexing problem since this is a Jewish forum and it should be closed for the sabbath and holidays, but at the same time we don't want to lose our gentile support.
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i think we need a resurgence of JTF videos on youtube again..it's been awhile and nobody seems to be looking for us anymore.
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i think we need a resurgence of JTF videos on youtube again..it's been awhile and nobody seems to be looking for us anymore.
I agree- I would, but I have NOT the FOGGIEST clue HOW to do youtubes AT ALL. David gets asked CONSTANTLY- "Where are your utubes, etc..."
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i think we need a resurgence of JTF videos on youtube again..it's been awhile and nobody seems to be looking for us anymore.
I think that Chaim should stop trying to be a moderate.
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I've been really busy the past week or so.
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The problem I think is when users can't access the forum, after several days, they tend to not come back. Most of our gentile members don't know when the Jewish holidays are, so for most of them its a crap shoot as to when they will be able to access the forums and when they will not be able to access the forums. They know they probably can't get on during the Sabbath, but other holidays for the most part for them, just seem to pop up and if your a gentile that can be frustrating. Think of it this way, when you don't update your website, users tend not to come back. It's a perplexing problem since this is a Jewish forum and it should be closed for the sabbath and holidays, but at the same time we don't want to lose our gentile support.
This has been proven true on other forums
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The problem I think is when users can't access the forum, after several days, they tend to not come back. Most of our gentile members don't know when the Jewish holidays are, so for most of them its a crap shoot as to when they will be able to access the forums and when they will not be able to access the forums. They know they probably can't get on during the Sabbath, but other holidays for the most part for them, just seem to pop up and if your a gentile that can be frustrating. Think of it this way, when you don't update your website, users tend not to come back. It's a perplexing problem since this is a Jewish forum and it should be closed for the sabbath and holidays, but at the same time we don't want to lose our gentile support.
This has been proven true on other forums
Agree!
I have said this before on other occasions... something must be worked if JTF is going to build enough support and become a mass movement
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I'm sorry for being rarely on the forum, I'm very busy with work.
I guess this video has already been posted. Anyway, this case might have a huge impact even after the elections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzFl-Gm_Kc
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Well, I have my people I send my audios out to, they listen to them, and they never get put up in time, so- whatever. I guess the things I say dont mean a hell of a lot.
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It is a bit low.
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The decision to close the forum so often for holidays and some nights during the week is foolish because it drives away new visitors. It is hard to be active on a forum that is constantly down.
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It would have to be closed for 48 hours for each holyday and Shabbat to take care of all the time zones, because people read this forum all over the world. I am not in the US, for example, so my hours don't overlap with the East Coast Shabbat. But if you are really strict and keep it closed for 48 hours (to make sure that the Shabbat goes around the globe) then you risk losing too many readers, especially at this crucial time. But if you only close it for the Shabbat times on the East Coast, then you are not being consistent anyway. I vote for keeping the forum open at all times.
The Hebrew forum goes by the Israeli time zone instead. One reason the English forum is also closed for the Gentiles and during the Eastern Time zone is that administration is located here. In addition to religious reasons, the forum is run professional and many of our administrators and moderators are not around during this time. Keeping the forum open is not up for debate.
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Iknow a forum i belong to it had at any given time and it was within 1 hr at least 50 actual members posting.It went off for a month now at most it has 8or 9 members posting at any given time on good day
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It would have to be closed for 48 hours for each holyday and Shabbat to take care of all the time zones, because people read this forum all over the world. I am not in the US, for example, so my hours don't overlap with the East Coast Shabbat. But if you are really strict and keep it closed for 48 hours (to make sure that the Shabbat goes around the globe) then you risk losing too many readers, especially at this crucial time. But if you only close it for the Shabbat times on the East Coast, then you are not being consistent anyway. I vote for keeping the forum open at all times.
The Hebrew forum goes by the Israeli time zone instead. One reason the English forum is also closed for the Gentiles and during the Eastern Time zone is that administration is located here. In addition to religious reasons, the forum is run professional and many of our administrators and moderators are not around during this time. Keeping the forum open is not up for debate.
Exactly, if our admins are Jewish, then the forum cannot be run or moderated or supervised during Shabbat or holidays! We would be open to spam attacks and other stupidity if we opened it without admins to moderate.
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It would have to be closed for 48 hours for each holyday and Shabbat to take care of all the time zones, because people read this forum all over the world. I am not in the US, for example, so my hours don't overlap with the East Coast Shabbat. But if you are really strict and keep it closed for 48 hours (to make sure that the Shabbat goes around the globe) then you risk losing too many readers, especially at this crucial time. But if you only close it for the Shabbat times on the East Coast, then you are not being consistent anyway. I vote for keeping the forum open at all times.
The Hebrew forum goes by the Israeli time zone instead. One reason the English forum is also closed for the Gentiles and during the Eastern Time zone is that administration is located here. In addition to religious reasons, the forum is run professional and many of our administrators and moderators are not around during this time. Keeping the forum open is not up for debate.
Exactly, if our admins are Jewish, then the forum cannot be run or moderated or supervised during Shabbat or holidays! We would be open to spam attacks and other stupidity if we opened it without admins to moderate.
I seriously doubt that is the reason.
If that were the reason then we could have gentile admins, and WE DO anyway!!!!!
It may be more along the lines of, just as jewish businesses should not be open on shabbat or jewish holydays. Maybe.
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Exactly, if our admins are Jewish, then the forum cannot be run or moderated or supervised during Shabbat or holidays! We would be open to spam attacks and other stupidity if we opened it without admins to moderate.
I seriously doubt that is the reason.
If that were the reason then we could have gentile admins, and WE DO anyway!!!!!
It may be more along the lines of, just as jewish businesses should not be open on shabbat or jewish holydays. Maybe.
You doubt that is the reason. Ok, can you tell me what percentage of our mods are Jewish and what percent non Jewish? This will help explain whether or not your doubt is unfounded.
And I'm also only speaking in practicality, assuming there was no halachic problem. It certainly is also a halachic problem that has to be dealt with. If it's a Jewish website encouraging Jews to post on Shabbat, that is helping a Jew to do a sin..... We would need to consult with a posek about it, Chaim would need to. But aside from that there is the practical concern as well.
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Exactly, if our admins are Jewish, then the forum cannot be run or moderated or supervised during Shabbat or holidays! We would be open to spam attacks and other stupidity if we opened it without admins to moderate.
I seriously doubt that is the reason.
If that were the reason then we could have gentile admins, and WE DO anyway!!!!!
It may be more along the lines of, just as jewish businesses should not be open on shabbat or jewish holydays. Maybe.
You doubt that is the reason. Ok, can you tell me what percentage of our mods are Jewish and what percent non Jewish? This will help explain whether or not your doubt is unfounded.
I doubt it's the reason because even if we don't have enough gentile moderators to moderate over shabbat and jewish holydays. Even if that is the case, then we can find more. We wouldn't close the forum for lack of gentile volunteer mods. We would look for more, and organise it. Look how much JTF has achieved. Do you seriously think we close the forum because we don't have gentile volunteers? That's insane!
It's definitely not the reason.
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Could it be that JTF is becoming too moderate?
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It didn't used to close for Shabbat when I became a member. And it wasn't such a long time ago. It started closing for Shabba relatively recently. It was Yaakov's idea; he proposed and implemented it. But now Yaakov is not even a member of this forum.
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It didn't used to close for Shabbat when I became a member. And it wasn't such a long time ago. It started closing for Shabba relatively recently. It was Yaakov's idea; he proposed and implemented it. But now Yaakov is not even a member of this forum.
Yacov had taken that idea from the former member rivera
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It didn't used to close for Shabbat when I became a member. And it wasn't such a long time ago. It started closing for Shabba relatively recently. It was Yaakov's idea; he proposed and implemented it. But now Yaakov is not even a member of this forum.
It is also common sense and will stay in effect.