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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: zachor_ve_kavod on October 23, 2008, 02:14:16 AM
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I can never get used to even hearing about things like this. This hateful, disgusting, primitive, obscene cult needs a serious overhaul.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/261385
"A girl has been set on fire by her relative, allegedly for wearing lipstick. The perpetrator,her great uncle, is a conservative Muslim.
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An 11 year old girl suffered 90% burns on her body when her great uncle set her on fire in Jaipur, India.
The 55 year old man, a conservative Muslim, told authorities that he was outraged over her wearing lipstick and being "scantily dressed". He poured kerosene over her and set her in flames on Friday.
Her neighbours tried to save her, with one suffering injuries trying to put out the flames.
The police have told the NDTV network that the girl has a low chance of survival. They have arrested the offender for attempted murder.
Traditional Muslim communities require their women to observe the practice of hijab. This involves covering their bodies from head to toe.
However, relatives of the girl later told reporters that the man had tried to molest her, and upon meeting resistance, set her ablaze.
Investigations are continuing."
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By the way, they are so brave when it comes to shooting women and children and burning little girls, but when they are faced with soldiers they hide behind them. I guess they hide behind their women and children during a battle and after the battle is over, then they burn them.
What a bunch of miserable little cowards.
And please, don't tell me that it's a good thing that there is one less muslim girl who will grow up to be a terrorist. There is absolutely nothing good in this at all.
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How can someone do this to their own family?
This is one reason I get sickened when my classes tell me to respect other people's cultures. Why should I? I can't respect this dreck.
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OHHHH so horrible!!!!
We don't care that millions of babies of our own are murdered each year.
In that regard, muslims are more "humane", than we are.
We non-muslims are not better at al.
We Europeans and Jews, are aborting so much unborn babies, and young women are taking anti-conceptiva, that we are going to be outnumbered very soon by our ennemies. Our race/nation is dying out.
And you are worrying about a girl that is set on fire in muslim land??
So what? Let them kill their own people! Don't stop them!
As far as I am concerned, it's one muslima less. But it's only a "drop on a hot plate".
We should NEVER be concerned about ennemies that want to exterminate us.
This girl, would have been a mother of 3-4 boys: future jihadi-suicide bombers, and 3-4 girls: muslim-fabrics for the years 2036 and to come.
So , that 8 less of them.
:dance:
now lets hope, her pedophile uncle get's killed too.
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This girl, would have been a mother of 3-4 boys: future jihadi-suicide bombers, and 3-4 girls: muslim-fabrics for the years 2036 and to come.
So , that 8 less of them.
That girl could maybe become someday a mother of lawyers, doctors or of other influential people… It is not good that she is killed, who knows what kind of woman she could become some day ...
I think that You can not say that only Muslims produce evil people.
We Serbs do not agree with this policy.
Hehe.. I hear here often very extreme right statements....
But everybody has its own opinion...
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This girl, would have been a mother of 3-4 boys: future jihadi-suicide bombers, and 3-4 girls: muslim-fabrics for the years 2036 and to come.
So , that 8 less of them.
That girl could maybe become someday a mother of lawyers, doctors or of other influential people… It is not good that she is killed, who knows what kind of woman she could become some day ...
I think that You can not say that only Muslims produce evil people.
We Serbs do not agree with this policy.
Hehe.. I hear here often very extreme right statements....
But everybody has its own opinion...
moZlems are MURDERERS & ASSASINS. DONT play GAMES.
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How can someone do this to their own family?
This is one reason I get sickened when my classes tell me to respect other people's cultures. Why should I? I can't respect this dreck.
what about the all the native americans who were exposed to an extermination process....what kind of culture is that?
What are the cultured Americans doing in Iraq and Afganistan??
sorry Rubby, but look also at your own side before you start to attack an other culture...
Please provide to me a link between the culture and the act of this crime...
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This girl, would have been a mother of 3-4 boys: future jihadi-suicide bombers, and 3-4 girls: muslim-fabrics for the years 2036 and to come.
So , that 8 less of them.
That girl could maybe become someday a mother of lawyers, doctors or of other influential people… It is not good that she is killed, who knows what kind of woman she could become some day ...
I think that You can not say that only Muslims produce evil people.
We Serbs do not agree with this policy.
Hehe.. I hear here often very extreme right statements....
But everybody has its own opinion...
moZlems are MURDERERS & ASSASINS. DONT play GAMES.
If you prosecute or pressure people only because of their ethnicity or religious background than you will create murderers and assassinators….
For example I knew a Serb from Croatia. He was a very, very good man. He was not violent. He was captured by the Croatian police in 1991 and tortured for 36 days long.
The Croats had arrested him only because of this nationality/ religion. The Croats had marked all the Serbs as militants and murders.
He escaped from jail. But he was not the same man anymore.
He was transformed from a polite and normal man into a violent man of revenge…
With this kind of attitude you will make murderers.
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I think that You can not say that only Muslims produce evil people.
We Serbs do not agree with this policy.
Hehe.. I hear here often very extreme right statements....
But everybody has its own opinion...
This is an extreme right website.. Is that a problem? Muslims are not the only people who produce evil people. Its just that most muslims are evil people, which is contrary to many other people on the globe. I guess Africans and Afrocentrists are anothe group who are primarily evil. Muslims are one of our main enemies, as they wish to eradicate the Jewish race and promote nazism and many are full-fledge followers of Nazism. Muslims openly do nazi salutes and give great praise and honor to nazi theology. Personally, I am sorry tos ay, the only good Muslim is a dead one. If you are offended by this comment, well, I am sorry, but I think many people on this website would agree. I hold the same thing true to the Nazis, the only good one is a dead one.
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This girl, would have been a mother of 3-4 boys: future jihadi-suicide bombers, and 3-4 girls: muslim-fabrics for the years 2036 and to come.
So , that 8 less of them.
That girl could maybe become someday a mother of lawyers, doctors or of other influential people… It is not good that she is killed, who knows what kind of woman she could become some day ...
I think that You can not say that only Muslims produce evil people.
We Serbs do not agree with this policy.
Hehe.. I hear here often very extreme right statements....
But everybody has its own opinion...
moZlems are MURDERERS & ASSASINS. DONT play GAMES.
If you prosecute or pressure people only because of their ethnicity or religious background than you will create murderers and assassinators….
For example I knew a Serb from Croatia. He was a very, very good man. He was not violent. He was captured by the Croatian police in 1991 and tortured for 36 days long.
The Croats had arrested him only because of this nationality/ religion. The Croats had marked all the Serbs as militants and murders.
He escaped from jail. But he was not the same man anymore.
He was transformed from a polite and normal man into a violent man of revenge…
With this kind of attitude you will make murderers.
Yeah BS. YOU are SO FULL OF BS. You are HAD by the media, people have LET you talk like a skunk, but I wont- you ARE disrespecting MY people, MY country, & I ASKED YOU NOT TO- but STILL YOU persist- islam is EVIL and murdrous, keep thinking in the box, b/c that IS WHAT they LOVE--'policy' policyyyyyyyy' Sell that insanity over in the other section where people buy it, it does NOT work with ME anymore.
WE DID NOT "CREATE" islam, therefore, it is NOT America's "FAULT"-------you nasty schlamiel.
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what about the all the native americans who were exposed to an extermination process....what kind of culture is that?
What are the cultured Americans doing in Iraq and Afganistan??
sorry Rubby, but look also at your own side before you start to attack an other culture...
Please provide to me a link between the culture and the act of this crime...
You have proven yourself a bit ignorant on American history. How come you fail to talk about how native americans helped to extermine each other. They were primitive people and had not the means to wipe each other out. Soon as white people brought over guns, they helped assist white people in wiping out their enemy tribes. This is the same type of thing that happened in Africa, when tribes were hunting down enemy tribes and selling their enemies to slave traders in exchange for guns, booze and other precious goods. Are you a typical left-wing liberal who will claim that white people are at fault for all this ? America would have never been a great country and nazis would have ruled the earth and no native americas would have been left living today had it not been for the brave people who founded this country. You probably don't realize that native americans live much easier and better lives than they did 500 years ago in the plains. I bet you no native american would trade his life today for the one of his ancestors long ago.
OK, about Iraq and Afghanistan.. Who gives a crap about those arab/persian nazi hellholes. DId you forget Sadam Hussein? Yeah, they went there to kill him. Now they are there tryign to setup a puppet government. They should have bombed the place to oblivion and left. Afghanistan?? OH my.. Why not be there, the Taliban is there, we should wipe out all the muslim nazis in that place. Help convert the people back to their native religions. They are the most anti-Israel, Jew hating people on the earth, the Pakistani and Afghanis. Not only should USA be in Afghanistan, but in Pakistan, hunting down Osama bin Laden. RIght now, we are not doing enough..
He escaped from jail. But he was not the same man anymore.
He was transformed from a polite and normal man into a violent man of revenge…
With this kind of attitude you will make murderers.
Agree with AsheDina.. This is utter BS.. These people were butchering our people long before anyone applied discipline to them. They deserve what is coming and better learn to deal with some serious beatings and bombings. Next , we will hear you say that we intimidated the Nazis into killing the jews, by not being polite enough.
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You are HAD by the media, people have LET you talk like a skunk, but I wont-
Trust me you will..
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BY THE WAY: My fathers side of MY family is IRIQUOIS Native AMERICAN- so SHUT UP, you dont know ANYTHING dalnastyness. The slime comes over here to LAUGH at us, and the destruction of OUR country.
He has made people ANGERED, and STILL gets AWAY with saying this CRAP. MY FRIEND AH gets chastised b/c of this fart- and AH is totally 100% FOR AMERICA and ISRAEL.
Go back to your CAVE, and you dont know ANYTHING about the Iriquois nation, OR AMERICA--- and they do NOT share your 'opinion' Matter of FACT, It we 'need' YOUR opinion DAL- we WILL GIVE IT TO YOU.
http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/
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You are HAD by the media, people have LET you talk like a skunk, but I wont-
Trust me you will..
PLEASE- you are an ISLAMO- I WILL NOT EVER 'submit' to mohammed-----EVER. I WILL SERVE NO FORIEGN 'g0ds' EVER. YOU will submit to the KING- the ALMIGHTY---- DEAL with it- HAG. I see you, causing TROUBLE all the time, I watch you ALL THE TIME, you suck. :fist:
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I see you, causing TROUBLE all the time, I watch you ALL THE TIME, you suck. :fist:
Oke now serious when did I cause any trouble?
I even never attacked America. If I say that the crimes against the natives were wrong, you should understand me - because you are part Indian ?
I do not think that I cause any problems? I do not understand your rage?
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I see you, causing TROUBLE all the time, I watch you ALL THE TIME, you suck. :fist:
Oke now serious when did I caused any trouble?
I even never attacked America. If I say that the crimes against the natives were wrong, you should understand me - because you are part Indian ?
I do not think that I cause any problems? I do not understand your rage?
YOU CAUSE A LOT of Problems, dont RUN now, I SEE you, I WATCH you. You HATE America- I WATCH you. Go back to YOUR section, thats what you told ME to do. GET LOST you nazi TROLL- go serve mohammed.
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"By the way, they are so brave when it comes to shooting women and children and burning little girls, but when they are faced with soldiers they hide behind them. I guess they hide behind their women and children during a battle and after the battle is over, then they burn them.
What a bunch of miserable little cowards."
Shalom brother zachor_ve_kavod,
what you have just described above would fit the behavior of the Croatian Ustasha Nazis perfectly.The only serious problem for many of us here on JTF is this: the Croat Ustasha Nazis are Roman Catholic murderers and not muslim murderers.The Roman Catholic Ustasha Nazi Croats allied themselves with the Bosnian muslims during the Holocaust of over 1 Million Serbs, Jews and Roma in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) from 1941 to 1945. Most of the senior German Nazi leaders were raised as Roman Catholics and most of the quisling nations of the Axis powers and satellite states of the Axis were of the Roman Catholic religion.Yet there are many decent, righteous Roman Catholic brothers and sisters here on JTF whom we dearly love and appreciate for their valuable support of Jewry and Israel.
So I think the answer sought by brother Dalmacija is this:
Please explain why one should condemn ALL people belonging to any religion (or ethnic group) as being "pure evil" that deserve to be exterminated or expelled. Doesn't this make us as bad as the Nazis and/or Fascists for condemning ALL members of a particular faith (or nationality/ethnic group) as being beyond redemption and suitable only for extermination or expulsion? Isn't this position of desiring the complete biological extermination and/or expulsion of ALL members of an ethnic group/nationality/religion rather hypocritical and immoral for us as Jews who should behave as "a light unto the nations" of this world?
Shalom,
Joshua.
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I see you, causing TROUBLE all the time, I watch you ALL THE TIME, you suck. :fist:
Oke now serious when did I caused any trouble?
I even never attacked America. If I say that the crimes against the natives were wrong, you should understand me - because you are part Indian ?
I do not think that I cause any problems? I do not understand your rage?
YOU CAUSE A LOT of Problems, dont RUN now, I SEE you, I WATCH you. You HATE America- I WATCH you. Go back to YOUR section, thats what you told ME to do. GET LOST you nazi TROLL- go serve mohammed.
I hate American foreign policy. But I said many times that I do not hold the American regular people responsible for the crimes of their criminal government..
I never spoke to you before ? When did I told to you that you must go back or something like that?
How can you call me a Nazi? Nazis have exterminated my people during WW2 and during the 90s? Can not you come with something realistic?
I though that women in the US are allowed to follow an education?
It seems that you are not familiar with historical facts.
Are women allowed to go to school in US?
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"By the way, they are so brave when it comes to shooting women and children and burning little girls, but when they are faced with soldiers they hide behind them. I guess they hide behind their women and children during a battle and after the battle is over, then they burn them.
What a bunch of miserable little cowards."
Shalom brother zachor_ve_kavod,
what you have just described above would fit the behavior of the Croatian Ustasha Nazis perfectly.The only serious problem for many of us here on JTF is this: the Croat Ustasha Nazis are Roman Catholic murderers and not muslim murderers.The Roman Catholic Ustasha Nazi Croats allied themselves with the Bosnian muslims during the Holocaust of over 1 Million Serbs, Jews and Roma in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) from 1941 to 1945. Most of the senior German Nazi leaders were raised as Roman Catholics and most of the quisling nations of the Axis powers and satellite states of the Axis were of the Roman Catholic religion.Yet there are many decent, righteous Roman Catholic brothers and sisters here on JTF whom we dearly love and appreciate for their valuable support of Jewry and Israel.
So I think the answer sought by brother Dalmacija is this:
Please explain why one should condemn ALL people belonging to any religion (or ethnic group) as being "pure evil" that deserve to be exterminated or expelled. Doesn't this make us as bad as the Nazis and/or Fascists for condemning ALL members of a particular faith (or nationality/ethnic group) as being beyond redemption and suitable only for extermination or expulsion? Isn't this position of desiring the complete biological extermination and/or expulsion of ALL members of an ethnic group/nationality/religion rather hypocritical and immoral for us as Jews who should behave as "a light unto the nations" of this world?
Shalom,
Joshua.
Shalom Josh.. do me one favor and stop coming to Dalmacija's rescue every time he started spewing his crap.. Thanks.. I really respect lot of your posts and your knowledge, but Dalmacijja constantly is posting crap that is contrary to JTF movement. I understand yo uare a Serbian Jew and have to unite with Serbians, but stop turning a blind eye to some of garbage you are reading..
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How can you call me a Nazi? Nazis have exterminated my people during WW2 and during the 90s? Can not you come with something realistic?
Dalmacija, she is calling you a nazi in the liberal, left-wing sense. You are an obvious liberal and left-winger from reading many of yoru posts and the serious debates I had with you in the past. We refer to people like this as left-wing liberal nazis. The same people who did advocate to bomb your precious Serbia. She knows very well you are not a German nazi or Ustashi.
I though that women in the US are allowed to follow an education?
It seems that you are not familiar with historical facts.
Are women allowed to go to school in US?
No, women in USA do not go to schools, they are kept in kitchen during the day and locked in their rooms during the night. Many of them are shipped to other countries to be prostitutes or the few lucky ones leave as mail order brides, probably to Russia. :laugh: :laugh:
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No, women in USA do not go to schools,
They still are not allowed to educate their selves? ? ?
Thats why most of them here do not know anything about politics or historical facts...
True, we usually whip our women when they start thinking too much. It helps them be more focused on household chores and pleasing us in the bedroom.
looks like dalmacija just deleted his post..
LOL...
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DALMACIJA,
I'm not really sure what the indians have to do with muslim lunatic murderers or why you are making any comparison to the U.S. - or why you decided to basically ruin this thread. None of us know anyone who even has a great grandfather who had anything to do with the indians but the muslim nazis are doing these horrible deeds today. And attacking Ruby and the others over something so ridiculous and comparing them to this "culture" you claim to "know" about is absurd.
I'm not sure what you agenda is with this but I would advise you to stop making trouble, causing fights, and bashing Americans. I'm tired of the fighting. We need unity to be effective so we can save our children and our grandchildren from these beasts. This is a warning.
-Shlomo
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How can you call me a Nazi? Nazis have exterminated my people during WW2 and during the 90s? Can not you come with something realistic?
Dalmacija, she is calling you a nazi in the liberal, left-wing sense. You are an obvious liberal and left-winger from reading many of yoru posts and the serious debates I had with you in the past. We refer to people like this as left-wing liberal nazis. The same people who did advocate to bomb your precious Serbia. She knows very well you are not a German nazi or Ustashi.
I though that women in the US are allowed to follow an education?
It seems that you are not familiar with historical facts.
Are women allowed to go to school in US?
No, women in USA do not go to schools, they are kept in kitchen during the day and locked in their rooms during the night. Many of them are shipped to other countries to be prostitutes or the few lucky ones leave as mail order brides, probably to Russia. :laugh: :laugh:
THE ONLY people that talk like dalnasty is LEFTISTS with their RANT about America, GO CLEAN YOUR OWN BACKYARD. I could CARE LESS if this person hates our policy OR our people. I DONT CARE, we are having the WORST election year POSSIBLE, and I have to hear this JUNK from this American Hating person that thinks his/her opinion REALLY counts........... ha ha ha.
I AM SO SICK of hearing about this "POLICY" JUNK, all this person does is INCITE to RIOT and THEN, backs OFF like the wuss it is, PERIOD.
STAY OUT OF THE AFFAIRS OF THE USA- it is NONE of YOUR business, and muslims......
SUCK.
Dalnasty- DO NOT post to me, you hate MY country- the people running AMERICA- ARE AMERICANS, if you dont like it, shoot ME.
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Dalmacija, she is calling you a nazi in the liberal, left-wing sense. You are an obvious liberal and left-winger from reading many of yoru posts and the serious debates I had with you in the past. We refer to people like this as left-wing liberal nazis. The same people who did advocate to bomb your precious Serbia. She knows very well you are not a German nazi or Ustashi.
I am not liberal or left.
Liberals of Serbia are pro EU and pro US oriented.
I am neither a leftist. Leftists in Serbian are followers of the politic of Tito..
You people mark others as leftists, communists ans Nazis mostley if they have an other opinion.
To call me a liberal or leftist or a Nazi can not be confirmed with facts or truths...
But I think that this is enough for today... see you on the Serbian forum brother!
Caoo!
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I understand you are a Serbian Jew and have to unite with Serbians, but stop turning a blind eye to some of garbage you are reading..
Shalom brother AryehYehudah,
well actually I am not a Serbian Jew but a Jew descended from Polish and Lithuanian Jews who currently lives in the United States. And no I am not coming to anybody's rescue - I am actually trying to ask legitimate questions here that are important to me as a JTF member. So brother, please tell me what kind of "garbage" should I be reading here instead of ignoring in your opinion?
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Regarding the subject of the thread, I must point out.
"To top yourself", is UK slang for killing yourself.
(and some not familiar with the term, may be under the misconception that it means something sad and sexual a mad man might do if very depressed and desperate, so I wouldn't use the term at all personally!)
A better word would be outdo / outdone, as in
"I didn't think muslim men could outdo themselves" or "they have outdone themselves". or "Not to be outdone, they have now..."
If you check a thesaurus, you see other obvious words to. "surpass", but it's not quite as good in this case.
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I understand you are a Serbian Jew and have to unite with Serbians, but stop turning a blind eye to some of garbage you are reading..
Shalom brother AryehYehudah,
well actually I am not a Serbian Jew but a Jew descended from Polish and Lithuanian Jews who currently lives in the United States. And no I am not coming to anybody's rescue - I am actually trying to ask legitimate questions here that are important to me as a JTF member. So brother, please tell me what kind of "garbage" should I be reading here instead of ignoring in your opinion?
Shalom Josh,
WEll go and review some of his posts, it is exhaustive and I cannot say it all. But in this board alone, he has come to the defense of muslims, insulted and attacked Americans, for slaughtering the Natives. I guess he won't complain about natives or other people that Serbians had to fight to gain their land many years ago. Maybe he will also insult us Israelis for having to slay the Canaanites. Anyhow, his facts are bogus and he is totally brainwashed with liberal leftist propaganda. Josh, if Americans did not settle in USA and take control of this land, would you have been alive today? Would have native americans come to fight against Adolf Hitler or liberate nazi camps? Would you be living in USA today? So, maybe you should tell your friend to go read up on some facts, before he goes wild with his tongue talking about how our founding fathers are murderers of innocent natives, many who spend their lives fighting each other.
Also, go review some of Dalmacija's other posts, he gives honor to the virulent Anti-semite Hugo CHavez. He refers to him as a good man and ally of Putin. Did you forget Putin, the man he constantly defends, was the head of the KGB? Also, he says America oppresses third world countries and Americans treat foreigners bad. This is the same crap that Obama and Friends are using to brainwash Americans to vote for him. In reality, it is the opposite, third world people treat AMericans bad and demand money and are extremely ungrateful when they get it. Also, many of these "turd world" people (taken from Mar Zutra ;D), are infesting our country and living tax free and getting free medical care, while the "evil" Americans as Dalmacija refers to them are working 12 hours a day, paying taxes to support them. Not to mention these peace, loving third worlders help bring massive amounts of drugs and guns into our country, so us evil white American people can be afarid to go out at night. He also constantly condemns Americans for defending their land against Muslims. He always says we are killing innocent muslims, as if muslims are innocent at all. I am yet to hear him say anything with condolences about the innocent americans who were murderd in the World Trade CEnter by muslim terrorists. No , he comes here and says America will soon be destroyed for hating Serbia.
If you support him with all these lefist and bogus rants or will deny he said them, then I don't really feel you support JTF either, regardless of the fact your Jewish.
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I hate American foreign policy. But I said many times that I do not hold the American regular people responsible for the crimes of their criminal government..
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You may not be aware of this, but
to say you hate american foreign policy, is the kind of thing that a leftist would say, meaning he'd answer these questions a certain way. So you may want to clarify.
You don't agree with america taking out saddam hussein?
What don't you like about being in iraq. Killing terrorists?
Do you hate the fact that America gives money to israel, hating it for a leftist reason, i.e. that you don't want israel to succeed?
Do you think it is a rational position to hate american policy per se, i.e. hate anything america does in another country, before they've even done it?
Is it only american foreign policy, or do you only single out america. How about other country's "foreign policies", like Iran?
Why don't you clarify particularly which foreign policies you agree with, and which you don't.
It seems to me that forcing saddam hussein into a hole, and taking him out, captured, was one of the most brilliant and impressive acts of justice ever!
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DALMACIJA,
I'm not really sure what the indians have to do with muslim lunatic murderers or why you are making any comparison to the U.S. - or why you decided to basically ruin this thread. None of us know anyone who even has a great grandfather who had anything to do with the indians but the muslim nazis are doing these horrible deeds today. And attacking Ruby and the others over something so ridiculous and comparing them to this "culture" you claim to "know" about is absurd.
I'm not sure what you agenda is with this but I would advise you to stop making trouble, causing fights, and bashing Americans. I'm tired of the fighting. We need unity to be effective so we can save our children and our grandchildren from these beasts. This is a warning.
-Shlomo
I will answer in private...
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"If you support him with all these lefist and bogus rants or will deny he said them, then I don't really feel you support JTF either, regardless of the fact your Jewish."
Shalom Brother AryehYehudah,
I doubt that Dalmacija actually believes in his heart that he has come to the defense of muslims who killed Americans in the World Trade Center. Sure, he may have said some stuff which many of us would regard as liberal or leftist, but after several private conversations with him in which I confronted him over what he said and why he said it, I am now firmly convinced that he did it in response to what he perceived as an attack on him personally for defending his faith and his nation against Nazis and Fascists sponsored by our government.
Also, from what I can see in corresponding with him privately is that not only is he staunchly anti-nazi and anti-fascist, but he is also very pro-Israel in his outlook.Dalmacija believes people should be judged by their ACTIONS and not what religion or ethnic group they belong to. I believe he is only trying to defend his culture and religion just as much as any of us right-wing Jews here on JTF who live in the US defend Judaism and America. He does NOT support Iran or the Islamofascist mullahs who control it. Russia is a traditional centuries long ally of the Serbs (look up the Russo-Turkish Ottoman wars of the 19th century which helped free Serbia from nearly 500 years of occupation by the Ottoman Turkish Islamic savages).
Please understand what Chaim has said about that nearly 500 year long occupation of Serbia by the genocidal Islamic Ottoman savages.OVER THESE 500 YEARS MILLIONS OF SERBS WERE MURDERED BY HAVING THEIR HEADS CUT OFF OR THEIR HEARTS AND INTESTINES RIPPED OUT. Russia helped tremendously to free Serbia from the 500 year long slavery and genocide perpetrated by the Ottoman Turkish Islamic savages.The Serbs cannot overlook that help and that part of their history as it relates to their traditional kinship with the Russian people.
Serbs acknowledge and support Russians because of their common Orthodox Christian religion and culture. However, this does not automatically mean that all Serbs now support the Russian government's stance on Iran no more than any of us here support our government's stance on Saudi Arabia or our decades long covert support for the religious mullahs in Iran for that matter.
I strongly recommend you read the articles by Prof. Dr. Francisco Gil-White on the covert relationship between our government and that of Iran. All of the documentation on our covert relationship with Iran and how we deliberately contained/weakened Iraq in order to strengthen Islamist Iran can be seen on Dr. Gil-White's pro-Israel website "Historical and Investigative Research"
PLEASE READ ALL OF THE ARTICLES at the following links:
http://www.hirhome.com/iraniraq/iraq-general-intro.htm
http://www.hirhome.com/iraniraq/gulfwar.htm
Shalom,
Joshua.
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WEll I am glad Dalmacija has a Jewish apologist to make up for his mistakes. But you have painted a pretty picture of him and totally brushed off many of the complaints I and others have made. Please don't go into the whole history and speech about how the Serbians bravely fought the Ottomans and were victims of Nazi oppression. Yes, I know and I said if Serbia stops supporting Russia and denying the oppression of Jews by the Russians, I would support them 100%. That is DIFFERENT SUBJECT, BTW. I said I support Serbians regaining Kosovo and admit they were oppressed and respected their bravery. That does not excuse Dalmacija and his definate leftist, liberal statements he is making. Every time he writes this crap, you and he go and run and hide, starting to preach about Serbia, its history, how Dalmacija just feels bad how Americans bombed him. Please stop it! Lets focus on the immediate things being said.
You still haven't answered why Dalmacija supports the Jew hater Hugo Chavez? Also, you refused to answer my questions about Dalmacija insulted the founding fathers of America as being murderers of natives. This is an atrocious and false claim and I think he is an ungrateful soul for posting this here. If you are going to enable and deny this, I will just excuse you as being blind or being an advocate of his stupid statements. And , if you do agree with Dalmacija, please get on the next plane, go to Russia or Serbia and live your life there; because evil American people don't need you. I am sure you will enjoy living in Russia more, right?
Please stop making up for all his mistakes and reread what I just wrote. I don't need any more Serbian history on this post, its off the subject. Being Serbian, doesn't give you a free pass to promote evil leftist rhetoric on JTF. Thank you.
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a. While there is no question that a grave injustice was done to the Serb people by successive U.S. governments, Serbs who express anti-Americanism are only hurting their cause. This will guarantee that the U.S. will work against Serbia not only in Kosovo but in every situation. It is true that current U.S. policy is anti-Serb, but JTF's goal is to change that situation. We can only succeed if we convince Americans that the Serbs should be America's allies. Americans will never believe that that is possible if they hear anti-Americanism from Serbs. It is very difficult to change U.S. policy in the Balkans because the news media, the diplomats and the politicians are all anti-Serb. But the American people are not anti-Serb. Most Americans know nothing about the Balkans. JTF believes that we should try to persuade the American people to demand a change in U.S. policy.
b. The Serbs are supported by Russia, and JTF is happy to see that. But that does not change the fact that other Russian policies are very dangerous and harmful. It is primarily Russia which is building Iran's nuclear bomb-making program that threatens the survival of America and Israel. We do not ask our Serb friends not to accept support from Russia. On the contrary, we want Russia to support the Serbs. But our Serb friends cannot ask us to ignore Russia's evil actions in regard to Muslim Nazi terrorist Iran, a nation that openly promises to destroy America and Israel. So we as American Christians and Jews are very much opposed to the Russian regime and regard Russia as an enemy. The Serbs understandably regard Russia as a friend. But in our view, the only moral position is to say that Russia's policy in the Balkans is good while Russia's policy in Iran is evil.
c. Anyone who provokes fighting on this forum is harming the cause. Legitimate discussion and debate is fine, but deliberately creating division and conflict will not be tolerated. That means that anyone who goes into the Serb forum unprovoked just to start attacking our Serb friends is harming the cause. But it also means that Serbs who express anti-American views or who provoke unnecessary conflict are harming the cause. We should all be cooperating and working together.
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WEll I am glad Dalmacija has a Jewish apologist to make up for his mistakes. But you have painted a pretty picture of him and totally brushed off many of the complaints I and others have made. Please don't go into the whole history and speech about how the Serbians bravely fought the Ottomans and were victims of Nazi oppression. Yes, I know and I said if Serbia stops supporting Russia and denying the oppression of Jews by the Russians, I would support them 100%. That is DIFFERENT SUBJECT, BTW. I said I support Serbians regaining Kosovo and admit they were oppressed and respected their bravery. That does not excuse Dalmacija and his definate leftist, liberal statements he is making. Every time he writes this crap, you and he go and run and hide, starting to preach about Serbia, its history, how Dalmacija just feels bad how Americans bombed him. Please stop it! Lets focus on the immediate things being said.
You still haven't answered why Dalmacija supports the Jew hater Hugo Chavez? Also, you refused to answer my questions about Dalmacija insulted the founding fathers of America as being murderers of natives. This is an atrocious and false claim and I think he is an ungrateful soul for posting this here. If you are going to enable and deny this, I will just excuse you as being blind or being an advocate of his stupid statements. And , if you do agree with Dalmacija, please get on the next plane, go to Russia or Serbia and live your life there; because evil American people don't need you. I am sure you will enjoy living in Russia more, right?
Please stop making up for all his mistakes and reread what I just wrote. I don't need any more Serbian history on this post, its off the subject. Being Serbian, doesn't give you a free pass to promote evil leftist rhetoric on JTF. Thank you.
Shalom Brother AryehYehudah,
you write: "WEll I am glad Dalmacija has a Jewish apologist to make up for his mistakes."
Very interesting observation brother. Please be specific. What exactly have I written here on JTF in defense of the Serbs that you disagree with? Please be exact by providing an exact quote with appropriate URL links.
"But you have painted a pretty picture of him and totally brushed off many of the complaints I and others have made.
Please be specific. Exactly where and when have I supposedly "painted a pretty picture of him" and allegedly "brushed off" the "many complaints" about him that you and others have made?
"I said if Serbia stops supporting Russia and denying the oppression of Jews by the Russians, I would support them 100%."
Oh really brother? And what if the Serbs here on JTF would say: "If America stops supporting the Iranian and Saudi-backed Albanian Islamofascist KLA, the Bosnian Islamofascist terrorist SDA and the Croatian neo-Ustasha Nazi HDZ party - all of whom together have been responsible for the murder of over 2 Million Serbs, Jews and Roma in Yugoslavia in the 20th century and the brutal expulsion of over 2 Million more Serbs since 1990 - then we Serbs will support all Americans 100%"
Would you feel that such a statement would be fair and reasonable, brother AryehYehudah? If not, then why do you insist on making such an unreasonable and unfair demand of the Serbs here on JTF?
Are you aware of the fact that what I have written here on JTF regarding what our government has done to the half a Million Serbs and Jews of Kosovo since 1990- amounting to genocide - is based entirely on AMERICAN Jewish and pro-Israel gentile sources?
"You still haven't answered why Dalmacija supports the Jew hater Hugo Chavez? Also, you refused to answer my questions about Dalmacija insulted the founding fathers of America as being murderers of natives."
Brother AryehYehudah, I am not Dalmacija's mom or dad so I have no obligation to justify or defend or agree with every single comment he makes here on JTF. Presumably both you and he are fully grown adults. If you feel so strongly about it, why don't you confront him about this issue in private to see what he has to say about it in his defense? I would like to see which comments you refer to specifically where Dalmacija says he unequivocally and unconditionally supports Hugo Chavez. Please be specific by providing a direct quote with URL links. Have you confronted him in private about these alleged comments in support of Chavez? What was his response to you, if any? Did he explain to you why he allegedly supports Chavez?
Regarding the comment he made about the "founding fathers of America as being murderers of natives"
Again I repeat: I am not Dalmacija's mom or dad so I have no obligation to justify or defend or agree with every single comment he makes here on JTF. I have already informed him in private that I do not believe the American people are responsible for that if it indeed occurred. Presumably both you and he are fully grown adults. If you feel so strongly about it, why don't you confront him about this issue in private to see what he has to say about it in his defense and to provide supporting documentation?
And , if you do agree with Dalmacija, please get on the next plane, go to Russia or Serbia and live your life there; because evil American people don't need you. I am sure you will enjoy living in Russia more, right?
Oh please brother, you are being overly melodramatic. Many of us on JTF can agree to disagree on JTF about many different things.However if and when any of us do disagree, I think it is rather immature, puerile and immensely impolite to each other to start saying things like "get on the next plane, go to Russia or Serbia and live your life there; because evil American people don't need you. I am sure you will enjoy living in Russia more, right?"
Also you write: "Being Serbian, doesn't give you a free pass to promote evil leftist rhetoric on JTF.Thank you."
Sure, I fully agree brother AryehYehudah that Serbs here should not be anti-American (meaning hating America the way liberals and leftists hate our country as a whole, hating her history, people and culture). But being Jewish and American doesn't give you or me or anyone else here on JTF free reign to be impolite and disrespectful to our Serbian brothers and sisters as you clearly were when you jumped in on the Save Serbia sub-forum a few weeks ago as a newbie and posted comments attacking the entire Christian Orthodox religion and ALL Orthodox Christian countries - which of course includes Serbia - condemning these nations as being as evil as Islam and that "they should all go to hell with the rest of the Islamonazi bastards".You also viciously and falsely attacked the Serbs as having "a Nazi past" during World War 2 (complete and utter BS, as I pointed out to you at the time and which you now finally acknowlege, and which I deeply respect and admire you for in admitting your mistake).
May I remind you that when you posted your first thread here entitled "Why is there a Save Serbia section" of the kind of language you used against the entire Orthodox Christian faith as well as specifically against Serbia and the Serbs? This is how you began your thread - with the following words:
"Why does a Jewish website support a country [Serbia] that has been preaching that Jews are lowlife Christ killers."
"Don't you know Orthodox Christians countries have hated Jews for many more centuries than muslims. I mean this anti-Jew feeling from Muslims is new age phenomenon and now equally as bad."
"Bunch of scumbags.. I think all Orthodox Christian countries should go to hell with rest of islamonazi bastards."
"Orthodox christian church is still the one church who claims that Jews are Christ killers and that they are most evil race on planet..."
Well brother AryehYehudah, many, many Western Christian churches have taught that very thing throughout their 2,000 year old history and I did not see you condemning them, but the Serbian Orthodox Christian church teaches no such thing. If that were true then the Orthodox Christians such as the Serbs of Yugoslavia would have fought on the side of Hitler instead of against him and would not have risked their very lives to save tens of thousands of Jews living in wartime Yugoslavia, now would they?
I asked you as a gesture of goodwill to apologize to our Serbian brothers and sisters for these remarks made at the time especially considering the fact that you have admitted now that you were very ignorant about Serbia and the Serbs and their Christian Orthodox faith. I am still waiting for the apology, brother AryehYehudah. Thank you.
Shalom,
Joshua.
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"By the way, they are so brave when it comes to shooting women and children and burning little girls, but when they are faced with soldiers they hide behind them. I guess they hide behind their women and children during a battle and after the battle is over, then they burn them.
What a bunch of miserable little cowards."
Shalom brother zachor_ve_kavod,
what you have just described above would fit the behavior of the Croatian Ustasha Nazis perfectly.The only serious problem for many of us here on JTF is this: the Croat Ustasha Nazis are Roman Catholic murderers and not muslim murderers.The Roman Catholic Ustasha Nazi Croats allied themselves with the Bosnian muslims during the Holocaust of over 1 Million Serbs, Jews and Roma in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) from 1941 to 1945. Most of the senior German Nazi leaders were raised as Roman Catholics and most of the quisling nations of the Axis powers and satellite states of the Axis were of the Roman Catholic religion.Yet there are many decent, righteous Roman Catholic brothers and sisters here on JTF whom we dearly love and appreciate for their valuable support of Jewry and Israel.
So I think the answer sought by brother Dalmacija is this:
Please explain why one should condemn ALL people belonging to any religion (or ethnic group) as being "pure evil" that deserve to be exterminated or expelled. Doesn't this make us as bad as the Nazis and/or Fascists for condemning ALL members of a particular faith (or nationality/ethnic group) as being beyond redemption and suitable only for extermination or expulsion? Isn't this position of desiring the complete biological extermination and/or expulsion of ALL members of an ethnic group/nationality/religion rather hypocritical and immoral for us as Jews who should behave as "a light unto the nations" of this world?
Shalom,
Joshua.
I don't think all muslims are evil, I think Islam is evil. I feel sorry for people like that little girl, who through no fault of her own, was born into this monstrous culture. I know muslims (like my former boss) who love Israel and the Jews, hate the mujahadeen, treats his wife like an equal, and has taught his children to love Canadian culture, society, and law. I know people are going to say that he's either lying or he's not really a muslim, but I don't think that this is true. What I would say, is that he rose above the primitive, retrograde culture he was born to and became an enlightened human being. He says that he doesn't believe in the Surahs that command to convert or kill.
So no, I don't believe that all muslims are evil. That would be illogical in my opinion. What I will say however, is that whatever philosophy can prompt someone to set a young girl on fire, or kill innocent people, or hide behind their women and children, is an evil philosophy.
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Shalom Josh,
I told you I admitted I was wrong in my history about Serbia, but you will just cowardly beat it to death by going to the first few posts I ever made on this board. Why did I post "Why is there a Save Serbia?" Because i was new here and the first I see when I go to JTF website is people bashing America, supporting Russia and other Russia allied countries and talking about establishing an Orthodox Russian empire under a Tzar. So I was horribly misled and this was the first experience I ever had with Serbians so I just mistook them for your typical anti-semitic Eastern European country. Now, after being educated, I see that Serbians are a great exception and deserve respect for their heroism, their tolerance of Jews on their land and fighting nazis and muslms. SO, do me a favor, and stop attacking me with posts I made, which I already apologized many times for. I don't need backstabbing because I am bringing up valid points of some of Dalmacija's comments that go against the goodwill of Israel, America and its people. You are doing this just to defame me. Anyhow, with those comments you posted in red; I think most people on JTF will agree with me 100%. When was the last time you spent an extended period of time in Eastern European or Orthodox country? Have you lived all your life in USA, sheltered from the type of bigotry Jews have faced for generations? I have been called a Christ Killer by Russians in the city I live, I have not even been to Russia yet. Chaim himself, maybe he could correct me, said Russia is a country that needs to be destroyed. I still have the link to his video about Russia, I downloaded it to my computer as well.
Yes, I did say the ORthodox church was reponsible for some of the worst Anti-Semitism in history and I stand by it. I wrote that I said Serbia is the exception, but my belief still stands and I oppose most of the racist, anti-semitic Orthodox Churches. Serbia can be one exception. My grandparents for generations lived as slaves under their regime and I will not play stupid and deny my history like some others here.
I dont need URLs blah blah blah, go review the posts on Save Serbia board, you will find Dalmacija giving honro to Chavez and Castro, among other lowlifes. I don't need to send him a PM or kiss his feet or spend the day fasting and mourning for his people, every time he says something contrary to what I feel is for the good of JEwish people. Yes, I agree Jews dont get a free ride either. If I, as a Jew, went around praising Chavez, I bet they would boot me off of here the same day.
I asked you as a gesture of goodwill to apologize to our Serbian brothers and sisters for these remarks made at the time especially considering the fact that you have admitted now that you were very ignorant about Serbia and the Serbs and their Christian Orthodox faith. I am still waiting for the apology, brother AryehYehudah. Thank you.
I already apologized to the SErbians for waht I said about their church out of ignroance. I refuse to apologize to the blood thirsty Orthodox church for oppressing my people for generations. I am awaiting your apology for the denial of the oppression and suffering Jewish peopel had under Tzarist and Orthodox rule. Still waiting as well.. Thank you.
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b. The Serbs are supported by Russia, and JTF is happy to see that. But that does not change the fact that other Russian policies are very dangerous and harmful. It is primarily Russia which is building Iran's nuclear bomb-making program that threatens the survival of America and Israel. We do not ask our Serb friends not to accept support from Russia. On the contrary, we want Russia to support the Serbs. But our Serb friends cannot ask us to ignore Russia's evil actions in regard to Muslim Nazi terrorist Iran, a nation that openly promises to destroy America and Israel. So we as American Christians and Jews are very much opposed to the Russian regime and regard Russia as an enemy. The Serbs understandably regard Russia as a friend. But in our view, the only moral position is to say that Russia's policy in the Balkans is good while Russia's policy in Iran is evil.
Shalom Chaim,
I never knew JTF was happy to see Russia support Serbia. Can you explain why JTF supports the allegiance of Serbia with Russia? I feel this is not a good alliance. How can we sleep well at night knowing our friend is friend's with our enemy. And do you really feel Russia has good motives behind the support of Serbia and is not just using this as an opportunity to form rebellion against America? Do you deny that Russia was involved in the NATO decision to bomb the Serbs? Is the allegiance that Russia has with Serbia, any different than with Iran, Venezeula or any other country that is at odds with USA? To me, this seems like a relationship that will end up with the SErbs as losers. Some Serbs here are so strongly anti-American and pro-Russia, they are even backing up all of Russia's allies and many are dismissing what they are doing with Iran, helping to arm Iran for Israel's destruction. Many also claim that Russia was Israel's greatest ally throughout the years. They refuse to recognize the fact that Russia, time and time again, armed Israel's enemies with the hope that it would bring the destruction of the Jewish state. What type of weaopns did the Jews go up against in all our 1948 - Present wars? Were these American weapons or Russian wespons?
FROM WIKIPEDIA:
By the start of April, the conflict seemed little closer to a resolution and NATO countries began to think seriously about a ground operation—an invasion of Kosovo. This would have to be organised very quickly, as there was little time before winter set in and much work would have to be done to improve the roads from the Greek and Albanian ports to the envisaged invasion routes through Macedonia and northeastern Albania. U.S. President Bill Clinton was however extremely reluctant to commit American forces for a ground offensive. Instead, Clinton authorized a CIA operation to train the KLA to sabotage and destabilize the Serbian government.[28] At the same time, Finnish and Russian negotiators continued to try to persuade Milošević to back down. He finally recognised that NATO was serious in its resolve to end the conflict one way or another and that Russia would not intervene to defend Serbia despite Moscow's strong anti-NATO rhetoric. Faced with little alternative, Milošević accepted the conditions offered by a Finnish–Russian mediation team and agreed to a military presence within Kosovo headed by the UN, but incorporating NATO troops.