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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on August 06, 2009, 10:23:09 PM
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Sorry for such an extremely basic no-brainer question, but this is basically the result of a bet. A friend of mine who is rather more liberal than myself strongly suspects that religious Jews would object to me calling Deformed Judaism a "cult of Judaism". She doesn't know any Kahanists.
Bonesfan
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Should we really be the ones to say what is authentic and what isn't for another religion? When I see lesbian so-called rabbis or crazy leftists following Reform Judaism though, I can make a pretty educated guess that they're not following what the Jewish Bible says though.
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Reformed Jews as a whole are on the wrong path... But they are Jews non-the-less, and unless they are assisting our enemies, we must wait for them to make teshuva. I feel very bad about this form of Judaism but if they were born Jewish, they are Jewish, regardless of their 'reform' state. They are just non-observant and often they violate many commandments... They will be judged for their lack of observance, but that is a quality which only Hashem knows.
I am lucky because when my parents {who were non-observant} wanted me and my brother to get Bar Mitzvahed we originally joined a Reform congregation. But even my parents were able to see that it was not even a basic jewish education... We ended up joining a conservative synagogue where both my brother and I were Bar Mitzvahed... Who knows what would have happened if I was Bar Mitzvahed in such a place?
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They are a product of us orthodox Jews not doing anything about their misguidedness.
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It is almost a cult...
I say once they start accepting Jesus and Mohammed as prophets and worshipping them (no offense to Christians)..then they have entered into a realm of a different religion.
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No offense taken, I know what you mean. But what Deformed Judaism really worships is the almighty schvartze.
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I'd rather go into a church than into a reform temple.
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I'd rather go into a church than into a reform temple.
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No offense taken, I know what you mean. But what Deformed Judaism really worships is the almighty schvartze.
Well, most Jews of all kinds worship money too...but technically they don't worship blacks.
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Well, most Jews of all kinds worship money too
Isn't this an anti-Semitic stereotype?
but technically they don't worship blacks.
A lot of self-hating Jews sure act like they do. Look at "Jews for Obama".
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Reformed Jews as a whole are on the wrong path... But they are Jews non-the-less, and unless they are assisting our enemies, we must wait for them to make teshuva. I feel very bad about this form of Judaism but if they were born Jewish, they are Jewish, regardless of their 'reform' state. They are just non-observant and often they violate many commandments... They will be judged for their lack of observance, but that is a quality which only Hashem knows.
I am lucky because when my parents {who were non-observant} wanted me and my brother to get Bar Mitzvahed we originally joined a Reform congregation. But even my parents were able to see that it was not even a basic jewish education... We ended up joining a conservative synagogue where both my brother and I were Bar Mitzvahed... Who knows what would have happened if I was Bar Mitzvahed in such a place?
Excellent reply Muman. You explain things without insulting others. This is a good quality you have ( compassion/understanding ) and may G-d Bless you for that. I am not as tactful as you when I voice my opinion about things I disagree with. You are a good influence for our members and visitors.
Shalom - Dox
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Well, most Jews of all kinds worship money too
Isn't this an anti-Semitic stereotype?
but technically they don't worship blacks.
A lot of self-hating Jews sure act like they do. Look at "Jews for Obama".
Everybody wants money. I wouldn't say worshiped, just craves.
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Chaim has called Deformed Judaism, , Reconstructive Judaism , and Conservative Judaism cults on multiple occasions. He's certainly not the only knowledgeable religious Jewish person who has spoken out against these forms of Judaism.
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It is almost a cult...
I say once they start accepting Jesus and Mohammed as prophets and worshipping them (no offense to Christians)..then they have entered into a realm of a different religion.
Since when has Reform judaism accepted Jesus or Mohamud? None that I have known... Unless it has become worse since I was growing up.. What is bad about Reform is that they have church organ music on Shabbat.
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Maybe they haven't but they have accepted the false gds of feminism, homosexuality, black liberation, and often times Arab anti-Semitism.
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Maybe they haven't but they have accepted the false gds of feminism, homosexuality, black liberation, and often times Arab anti-Semitism.
As you will expect from me, I will not quickly paint them all with such a brush. In my first post I explained that I have had experience, and I bet a lot of members here, have family members who would consider themselves reform jews. I don't condone it, but I cannot fully condemn it. I will attempt to lovingly rebuke those Jews who have gone off the path. Some may have issues which need to be worked out before they can become more observant. It is like many Rabbis explain that some religious Jews lost their faith after the Holocaust. We cannot be their judges because we did not live through that experience.
We have the mitzvah of loving the Jewish nation. This is called Ahavat Yisroel, and the opposite which is sinat Chinam or baseless hatred. A religious Jew should not feel that he is superior to the non-religious Jew. We, the religious, should attempt to reach out and bring them back into the right path. While I agree those who are wantonly rebellious will be dealt with Hashems righteous justice. But unless we know that they are helping the enemy {like NK and Pieces Now} we should give them the benefit of the doubt.
To judge all of reform judaism for the deeds of the few is not fair. It would be like judging all Orthodox Jews because of the deeds of those Rabbis in New Jersey or Jack Abramoff { http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff } . Each Jew is judged according to his or her own merits and how they affect the world.
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We have the mitzvah of loving the Jewish nation. This is called Ahavat Yisroel, and the opposite which is sinat Chinam or baseless hatred. A religious Jew should not feel that he is superior to the non-religious Jew. We, the religious, should attempt to reach out and bring them back into the right path. While I agree those who are wantonly rebellious will be dealt with Hashems righteous justice. But unless we know that they are helping the enemy {like NK and Pieces Now} we should give them the benefit of the doubt.
I agree that we should not judge hard ordinary reform Jews because they were taught Reformism from childhood, they think reformism IS Judaism. Since it is impossible to throw out all the original meaning from Torah and still call something "Judaism", there are a few good things in reform ideology, and the Jews who follow reform movement learn these these pieces of truth too. So I think we must view ordinary reform Jews as "tinokot she-nishbe'u", "captured babies" - our brothers who were lead astray ("captured") by an alien idelogy and strive to convince them to return to the path of the true Judaism.
But the ideology of reform "Judaism" is a cursed thing, we must fight it by all means. It is a method to "legalize" all forbidden things and to allow not to do necessary things. It is like to attach a kosher certificate to a pig. Reform "Judaism" definetely helps the enemy, both directly (by supporting Fakestinian "freedom fighters" and their "rights") and indirectly (by undermining the essence of Judaism from within).
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It is quite the opposite of a cult. Members of a cult are extremely loyal to the cult, usually in the embodiment of its leader, they dedicate their life to the cult and are often reclusive and discrete. Does any of this seem similar to a q typical deform Jew who marries a gentile in an inter-faith ceremony and celebrates "christmuka" ?
Deform Judaism is an anti-religion institution or social club, with no real values and frankly, no real future. It is a pipe that diverge good loyal Jews into complete assimilation in a continuous fashion.
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No offense taken, I know what you mean. But what Deformed Judaism really worships is the almighty schvartze.
Well, most Jews of all kinds worship money too...but technically they don't worship blacks.
I'm sorry but I often experience a similar feeling. I would refine it and say they don't worship money, but many Jews including our elite and leadership are extremely materialistic, they can only judge and asses things either by money, or by pride and fame. This over materialism and lack of humility is very detrimental and leads to very sorry results.
The Rambam wrote that every human trait should be balanced rather then taken to extreme, except when it comes to pride which should be as low as possible.