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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Irish Zionist on January 17, 2010, 09:34:40 AM
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May it claim many many lives and damage their nuke program.
The United States Geological Survey has reported that a magnitude 5.0 earthquake struck very close to the western Iranian town of Dezful on Saturday. The quake, which reportedly ran 6.2 miles deep, occurred at 11:53pm and was centered 15 miles north of Dezful toward the Iraqi border.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/178711
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This is exactly what I was hoping for. Too bad it wasn't near Bushehr. But knowing God, I think it will happen eventually
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Good news but not exactly I was waiting and praying for, I mean at the center of tehran........
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May it claim any many lives
That is a horrible thing to wish for
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May it claim many many Quarnanimals lives
That is a horrible thing to wish for
Oops fixed
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May it claim any many lives
That is a horrible thing to wish for
Why?
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May it claim any many lives
That is a horrible thing to wish for
Why?
-Not every single Iranian is our enemy.
-They are human beings.
-Light unto the Nations?
Israel should offer immediate aid to Iran like they have in the past after similar calamities.
This is just my personal opinion of course.
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-Not every single Iranian is our enemy.
Of course he is. The Persians were our enemies way before they adopted Islam, a thing that made things even worse. But my point is that I don't care who hates me and who isn't it --- my life, like every other Jew's live, is around Kidush HaShem and Chilul HaShem. Once The Name of Heaven is desecrated, we are obligated to sanctify it. I don't care whether there are Iranians who hate us or don't hate us, but the Name of Heaven is much more important. I'm just sure that there were good Amalakites who didn't want to go to a war with HaShem and His people, but HaShem had no mercy on them as a nation.
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-They are human beings.
Let me answer this with an answer as convincing as the posted above: so was Hitler. Being a human being doesn't mean anything good or bad from just being humans.
-Light unto the Nations?
Not Dark (doing something Halachically forbbinen like handing a hand to a citizen of HaShem's enemy) unto the Nations, Light unto the Nations is Torahnically defined and not defined by us, the dumb limited human beings who would never be able to be compared to HaShem's unlimited knowledge and wisdom.
Israel should offer immediate aid to Iran like they have in the past after similar calamities.
Yeah right, serve what WE owe to ourselves, something that we can aid to OURSELVES (whatever kind of aid), to our enemies? what a great joke.
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May it claim any many lives
That is a horrible thing to wish for
You're right. There are some decent people living in Iran but they're mostly Jews, Assyrians, Zoroastrians, and Armenian Christians.
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Ze'ev you are absolutely correct. Unfortunately, some people just see things differently.
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So let me get this straight. A mad leader from an insane country is making nuclear bombs that they have promised to use and i'm not allowed to wish them all dead?
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I think I agree with Ron's point about not offering a hand to an enemy. I think if you are a good person it is often tempting because you want to believe in reciprocity and the common decency of your fellow man/person. But in this case, these people despise us, or at least their government sponsored leadership does. I would be very wary, that my hand would be dragged into quicksand if I extended it
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I think I agree with Ron's point about not offering a hand to an enemy. I think if you are a good person it is often tempting because you want to believe in reciprocity and the common decency of your fellow man/person. But in this case, these people despise us, or at least their government sponsored leadership does. I would be very wary, that my hand would be dragged into quicksand if I extended it
The majority of Iran i.e Muslims hates us all, against government or not.
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I think you are right, but since I don't live there and I don't know hundreds of Iranians, I can't say for certain what the people think. I only know that they let their leaders get away with evil--which is why I think you are correct
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I certainly understand Ron's point, I just don't necessarily agree with it. My opinion is that even if they are our worst enemy we should still try to show kindness towards them when possible. A crisis like an earthquake or some other calamity also supercedes what ever religious or political issues we may have with them, and it is a question of humanity. I do realize that my opinion on this is probably contrary to what the Torah teaches us; we are supposed to kill our enemy before he kills us, and probably are not supposed to offer kindness to him. As I said before this is just my personal opinion...that we should try to be the better person by helping an enemy or showing mercy even to one who would not show us any.
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Let's sum it up like this.
You want to desecrate the Name of Heaven. One who wants to show mercy upon the cruel, is a complete traitor. This aid, that can go to our own people, goes to the ones who want to slaughter us. There's no sense in this "give the other cheeck" logic. You cannot love yourself when you love your enemy.
If you knowingly suggest something as immoral as this.. Then you're no different from them and no different from the Left. Only Torah shows us what is really moral and what is not --- not our dumb limited minds.
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Let's sum it up like this.
You want to desecrate the Name of Heaven. One who wants to show mercy upon the cruel, is a complete traitor. This aid, that can go to our own people, goes to the ones who want to slaughter us. There's no sense in this "give the other cheeck" logic. You cannot love yourself when you love your enemy.
If you knowingly suggest something as immoral as this.. Then you're no different from them and no different from the Left. Only Torah shows us what is really moral and what is not --- not our dumb limited minds.
I don't want to desecrate anything, nor do I suggest my views are "right". I clearly said this was just my opinion, and I can't help what is in my heart.
I also can't believe that every single Perisan wants to slaughter us. Haven't there been Perisans in the past who treated us well? Cyrus comes to mind for one, I have read he treated the Jews kindly...never mind the fact of the non-Muslim (including Jewish) Persians who might be affected by this earthquake.
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Let's sum it up like this.
You want to desecrate the Name of Heaven. One who wants to show mercy upon the cruel, is a complete traitor. This aid, that can go to our own people, goes to the ones who want to slaughter us. There's no sense in this "give the other cheeck" logic. You cannot love yourself when you love your enemy.
If you knowingly suggest something as immoral as this.. Then you're no different from them and no different from the Left. Only Torah shows us what is really moral and what is not --- not our dumb limited minds.
I don't want to desecrate anything, nor do I suggest my views are "right". I clearly said this was just my opinion, and I can't help what is in my heart.
I also can't believe that every single Perisan wants to slaughter us. Haven't there been Perisans in the past who treated us well? Cyrus comes to mind for one, I have read he treated the Jews kindly...never mind the fact of the non-Muslim (including Jewish) Persians who might be affected by this earthquake.
Every day we should pray for the protection of the righteous and the destruction of the wicked. Many times the righteous are destroyed along with the wicked, and I know this is true from my personal experience. I do not wish the righteous Iranians, and I have many Persian Jewish friends who have family there, any suffering. But the wicked should suffer and I hope that any damage which occured in Iran happened to the wicked who have plans to destroy Israel.
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Ze'ev, even when doing so is to our own detriment? Isn't this the same mistake Jews always make? Maybe I'm wrong.
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Look for more of these earthquakes folks, God communicates with man through the shaking of the earth.
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Ze'ev, even when doing so is to our own detriment? Isn't this the same mistake Jews always make? Maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know, and I certainly don't claim to be right or any authority. I just go by what's in my heart usually, and I can't help but feel bad when people are suffering, even if they are Muslims.
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Ze'ev, even when doing so is to our own detriment? Isn't this the same mistake Jews always make? Maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know, and I certainly don't claim to be right or any authority. I just go by what's in my heart usually, and I can't help but feel bad when people are suffering, even if they are Muslims.
You're a very humane and good hearted person, it's just we've been down this road countless times before, understand, it is a waste to even bother when it comes to the muslims, they always turn on you and reward your benevolence with viciousness in return, they are not rational or sane, it's like trying to help a rattlesnake, that snake will bite you for your trouble.
Note: This does not apply to the rest of humanity.
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Would be nice if the ground opened up and swallowed up the whole country.
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Would be nice if the ground opened up and swallowed up the whole country.
It would be nice fi the ground opened up and swallowed up everyone that is NOT nice!
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So how much money will obama give to iran?
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Well we can always hope that it was a precursor to some major quake in the near future!! Let me ask. Have they tried to blame it on the US or Israel yet???
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Jews are enjoined to celebrate the deaths of their enemies. This is righteous behavior. Shedding crocodile tears over the deaths of our enemies is wrong. The people of Iran are overwhelmingly wicked and evil.
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May it claim any many lives
That is a horrible thing to wish for
You're right. There are some decent people living in Iran but they're mostly Jews, Assyrians, Zoroastrians, and Armenian Christians.
May all of the enemies of Israel and the Jewish nation across the earth perish in a storm of death.
May all the holy spots of Islam be swallowed up by the ground and vanquished with out a trace [w/o damaging OUR Temple Mount, or any "mutual" sites].
May all Jews and righteous Gentiles be surrounded by the Spirit of the Shekinah at all times.
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An earthquake in Iran only means more debt to the American people with, Sheik B.Hussein Obama, in office.
-This is a blessing for Iran because the mullahs and the Izod ayatollah will simply keep the money and let their people suffer.
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Should the Jews help in Iran? With all of the other suffering in the world?
No. No. No. NO! Unless it's 100% Zoroastrian, Christian, or some sort of righteous Gentile town, NO NO NO. Let the earthquake in Iran be a motivator to help others elsewhere who also suffer.
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I don't want to desecrate anything, nor do I suggest my views are "right". I clearly said this was just my opinion, and I can't help what is in my heart.
One of the basic aspects of Judaism, is the choice between our own ego (it can be expressed in many ways, especially in the moral case, like in the case of King Shaul and the Amalakite King Agog) and the Accepting of the Yoke of Heaven. To denounce your own ego, to denounce your feeling that you can do whatever you want, to ebmrace an Almighty (real) King, HaShem. We cannot do Mitzvoht (the important and basic part of our live in This World) properly without accepting it.
If that's what's in your heart then it's what you think is "right". Human beings always do what they automatically identify as "right" and "moral".
But that's one thing that you "feel" something is right, but you know (=Torah says so) is not. I once thought that having mercy on an unarmed Muslim Nazi woman is moral, because I felt so. But it's not. These are changing, replaceable, human morals that can be replaced not only in every era, but in every mood we're being through.
But the true morals, are the Torahnical morals. Let's put it like this: if something contradicts Torah, then it's false. If some "moral" contradicts the Torahnic morals, then it's immoral. Only G-D knows what is moral and what is not.
I also can't believe that every single Perisan wants to slaughter us. Haven't there been Perisans in the past who treated us well? Cyrus comes to mind for one, I have read he treated the Jews kindly...never mind the fact of the non-Muslim (including Jewish) Persians who might be affected by this earthquake.
It looks like you choose to ignore my post. I don't think individuals --- I think civilizations. The Iranian civlization (or country) is our enemy, not only a crazy fanatic baboon ruling it. As a civilization, they want to slaughter us. And even if some of them don't, read my lips, I don't care.
We are obligated to follow G-D's Midot (characteristics). And doing such a brutal immoral thing (towards ourselves especially) such as helping the Civilization/Nation willing to destroy us will be Chilul HaShem. If you think sending foreign aid to an enemy is moral, then I guess you would have agreed with Mahatma Gahndi who told us to go quietly to Auschwitz. I don't even know how to start ridiculing this insane comment (I guess I don't need to, it's already obvious that this kind of behavior is immoral). Believe me, not everybody in Gaza is willing to kill us (secular Christians).. but I guess you support sending there "humanitarian aid" too.
Let me ask you something... If someone was willing to kill you and all your loved ones, and he was having a heart attack... would you help him?
Cyrus (Coresh) was not actually that good, first G-D cancelled his free will and after he let Jews go, his economy crushed and he forbade the Aliyah to Israel. Just like any other Persian.
PS: I don't care how many Jews live there.. My only concern is Kidush and Chilul HaShem. It's too bad that these Jews will have to suffer.. but I'm not gonna have mercy upon the total country just because of them.
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I don't think individuals --- I think civilizations. The Iranian civlization (or country) is our enemy, not only a crazy fanatic baboon ruling it. As a civilization, they want to slaughter us.
Not that it's relevant in this particular case, just an apropos remark. Iranians also happen to be natural/traditional/historical enemies of the European Civilization since ancient times (way before they converted to islam).