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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: christians4jews on May 04, 2010, 03:10:39 PM
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You may have heard me ask chaim what i should do in the UK election. This party are probably the most right wing after BNP. Should i give them a vote over this??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8660823.stm
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No you should vote for the BNP.
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No you should vote for the BNP.
are you jewish?
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The BNP seem the way to go for the people in the UK if they want to save their country.
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I would vote for the BNP too, they aren't perfect but they are the only ones who address race and the rights of native Britishs to prevent further racial decomposition of their country.
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i am a white and proud, but i also consider the jews to be white. I am concerned god will punsih me if i vote for an anti semitic party. I agree they suit my principles, but chaim pretty savvy on this stuff and has big reservations about them.
im really confused.
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Like it or not but Britian is doomed.
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yea but who would you reccomend i vote for??^^^^^
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i am a white and proud, but i also consider the jews to be white. I am concerned G-d will punsih me if i vote for an anti semitic party. I agree they suit my principles, but chaim pretty savvy on this stuff and has big reservations about them.
im really confused.
Is there any evidence the BNP is currently anti-semitic? Mr Griffin may have made a few stupid comments in the past but so have most of us.
Ultimately you can do what ever you want but understand that the UKIP will not address what I feel needs to be addressed, the BNP will but as each day passes the likelihood of them getting into power decreases as the demographics of Britain "shift".
Enoch Powell was right,
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Do not vote for any party which espouses anti-semitic rhetoric... No matter how much they may agree with us on issues of Muslim immigration they will be no friend to the Jewish people. Antisemites hate Jews more than they hate non-whites...
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Do not vote for any party which espouses anti-semitic rhetoric... No matter how much they may agree with us on issues of Muslim immigration they will be no friend to the Jewish people. Antisemites hate Jews more than they hate non-whites...
I don't think BNP is more anti-semitic than labour and labour = anti-semitic + pro-muslim.
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Nick Griffin, the leader of the BNP, is a holocaust denier, a Jew hater. He used to be friends with David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the KKK. He is also friends with notorious Holocaust deniers like David Irving and Robert Faurisson. Just Google his name, there are literally thousands of videos, articles and pictures as evidence. UKIP opposes immigration and it's not a Nazi organisation like the BNP.
Here is just one piece of evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Dygboz4Ew
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Nick Griffin, the leader of the BNP, is a holocaust denier, a Jew hater. He used to be friends with David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the KKK. Just Google his name, there are literally thousands of videos and pictures as evidence. UKIP opposes immigration and it's not a Nazi organisation like the BNP.
Here is just one piece of evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Dygboz4Ew
Boy is that Nick Griffin creep an anti-semite or what!?! I hope he has nothing to do with BNP if anyone here is even thinking of voting for that party... It seems very steeped in antisemitism, holocaust denial, and naziism...
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No you should vote for the BNP.
Already have. Postal vote. No need to listen to ridiculous discussions.
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DO NOT VOTE BNP. Vote UKIP instead or else spoil your ballot. UKIP are pretty poor to be honest, but the best of a very bad bunch - at least it will send a message that the British people want out of the EU. Do not vote for the BNP, they are vile, anti-Semites. If people here seriously suggesting to vote for the BNP, maybe I am not in the right place.
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I am in a similar situation here. There is no good alternative to an invalid vote.
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at the moment i am 60 percent not going to vote. 30 percent UKIPa and ten percent BNP(uf someone can prove to me in this very short space of time why they are not anti semitic.
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at the moment i am 60 percent not going to vote. 30 percent UKIPa and ten percent BNP(uf someone can prove to me in this very short space of time why they are not anti semitic.
OK, I'll try. What is not in dispute is that several of their older leaders, including Nick Griffin, were once Nazi apologists.The present situation is that this is probably less so, they are the strongest UK party in their support for Israel, they have a lot of Jewish support including one Jewish councillor, and that the vast majority of their support comes from ordinary decent people who do not want their country taken over by Muslims and want their children free to do what for them are culturally normal things like attend traditional schools and celebrate Christmas. For their trouble the Church of England has ordered it's followers not to vote for them, the media completely boycott them except for occasional tricks such as the show-trial of Nick Griffin on Question Time, and policemen and just about all public servants are banned from joining them while all other ethnic groups are free to associate in whatsoever manner they like.
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at the moment i am 60 percent not going to vote. 30 percent UKIPa and ten percent BNP(uf someone can prove to me in this very short space of time why they are not anti semitic.
the BNP ARE anti-Semites.
They oppose the English Defence League because - in Nick Griffin's own words - they are a "Zionist false flag operation." This is not a past statement that he has recanted, this is his current belief. do not vote BNP.
Don't not vote, go to the polling booth and spoil your ballot. At least that way you have made a point, they can't dismiss you as apathetic.
I will probably go with UKIP, any increase publicity they can get the better.
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For their trouble the Church of England has ordered it's followers not to vote for them, the media completely boycott them except for occasional tricks such as the show-trial of Nick Griffin on Question Time, and policemen and just about all public servants are banned from joining them while all other ethnic groups are free to associate in whatsoever manner they like.
wrongs against the BNP don't make them any less racist or anti-Semitic.
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What about the EDL ? Are there any candidates they endorse ?
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you need to vote to the the bnp in order to make england stronger and racialy cleaner.that exactly why i would do as a jewish person that love the white world.contray to the rumor nick griffin isn't an anti semite.since he became the party chairman in 1999 the british national party has admitted jews among it's memebers.the party supported israel openly in the second lebanon war and operation cast lead.they are not denying the holocaust in their official pltaforms.as about the party being a neo nazi party,it is a myth but i found at least two groups of neo nazi that as a jew i can openly support:
http://www.nazi.org/
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/national_socialism/
http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/martinez/
http://nasofi.blogspot.com/
the fisrst three link are to the libertarian national socialist green party that think that zionism is a mnational socialist movement.the foutrth link are to a group of nazis that openly supports israel.
sincerely,normal atheist.
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I think Nick Griffin is definitely an anti-Semite but I don't know if other people in the party necessarily are.
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you need to vote to the the bnp in order to make england stronger and racialy cleaner.that exactly why i would do as a jewish person that love the white world.contray to the rumor nick griffin isn't an anti semite.since he became the party chairman in 1999 the british national party has admitted jews among it's memebers.the party supported israel openly in the second lebanon war and operation cast lead.they are not denying the holocaust in their official pltaforms.as about the party being a neo nazi party,it is a myth but i found at least two groups of neo nazi that as a jew i can openly support:
http://www.nazi.org/
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/national_socialism/
http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/martinez/
http://nasofi.blogspot.com/
the fisrst three link are to the libertarian national socialist green party that think that zionism is a mnational socialist movement.the foutrth link are to a group of nazis that openly supports israel.
sincerely,normal atheist.
Nazi Israel supporters are usually those who would like to kick all Jews out and deport them to Israel. If all Jews of the World were living in Israel, these supporters would hope for an Iranian mass destruction weapon that wipes Israel out.
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Normal Atheist we dont' support Neo Nazis or Nazis of any kind here on this site, openly or otherwise.
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you need to vote to the the bnp in order to make england stronger and racialy cleaner.that exactly why i would do as a jewish person that love the white world.contray to the rumor nick griffin isn't an anti semite.since he became the party chairman in 1999 the british national party has admitted jews among it's memebers.the party supported israel openly in the second lebanon war and operation cast lead.they are not denying the holocaust in their official pltaforms.as about the party being a neo nazi party,it is a myth but i found at least two groups of neo nazi that as a jew i can openly support:
http://www.nazi.org/
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/national_socialism/
http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/martinez/
http://nasofi.blogspot.com/
the fisrst three link are to the libertarian national socialist green party that think that zionism is a mnational socialist movement.the foutrth link are to a group of nazis that openly supports israel.
sincerely,normal atheist.
Also if you live in Israel, I believe there are laws on the book that make it illegal to support or sympathize with any Nazi organizations, or I could be thinking holocaust denial.
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Normal Atheist,
Neo-Nazis of the links you posted are the Nazis of the kind of Filip DeWinter - first the Muslims, then the Jews or otherwise. They're smart Nazis who know how to fool Jews of your kind and non-White non-Muslims of many kinds.
I personally do not care about the United Caliphate, but before every decision we as Jews should ask: "what's good for the Jews?" - and no, "racially" (Race is a Darwinist psuedo-scientific myth) pure Europe is not what's good for the Jews - especially since we're not considered White for the Nazis and the fact that we should only be living in Israel - with our fellow Jews, White Jews, Black Jews and Purple Jews.
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Can England become anymore nazi than it already is?
Vote AGAINST labour. Your life depends on it.
Open nazi's are far better than socialist commie nazi's. Just decide between ukip or bnp.
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What about the EDL ? Are there any candidates they endorse ?
I don't believe football hooligans have a specific party.
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you need to vote to the the bnp in order to make england stronger and racialy cleaner.that exactly why i would do as a jewish person that love the white world.contray to the rumor nick griffin isn't an anti semite.since he became the party chairman in 1999 the british national party has admitted jews among it's memebers.the party supported israel openly in the second lebanon war and operation cast lead.they are not denying the holocaust in their official pltaforms.as about the party being a neo nazi party,it is a myth but i found at least two groups of neo nazi that as a jew i can openly support:
http://www.nazi.org/
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/national_socialism/
http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/martinez/
http://nasofi.blogspot.com/
the fisrst three link are to the libertarian national socialist green party that think that zionism is a mnational socialist movement.the foutrth link are to a group of nazis that openly supports israel.
sincerely,normal atheist.
Also if you live in Israel, I believe there are laws on the book that make it illegal to support or sympathize with any Nazi organizations, or I could be thinking holocaust denial.
where i denied the holocaust? i merely shows that the post to show you that there are nazies that support israel and if you think about it we have the same goal of kicking the foreigner out of our land and we could make an alliance with them.i chose on purpose movementes that honestly supports insrael and the jews,regretting the holocaust and think their people should focus instead in islam,in the fourth video there is a link of a parade in germany,paid attention to the guys that marches with the flags of germany and israel.by the way i don't support this guys but last time i cheked there isn't any laws like that in israel,have a good evening everybody.
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"Regret" the Holocaust?
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What about the EDL ? Are there any candidates they endorse ?
I don't believe football hooligans have a specific party.
I think the EDL has connections to Geert Wilders, doesn't it ? And also it is likely that most hooligans are hooked up on welfare and so they vote Labour.
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Rebel conservative, the BNP are not anti-Semites theEDL were proscribed for obvious reasons ,1.where did they come from so fast and so well organised(government organised) and also so as not to make the BNP look like thugs.Will you please get it into your heads they are not anti-semites.
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"Regret" the Holocaust?
it is meant they publicly said in their website that the holocaust was wrong and that hitler wasn't realy meant it,or that he didn't knew about it.i personnaly think the latter option is more accurate beacuse hitler supported the zionist movement until world war 2 when he get his mind ripped by himmler.himmler was an idiot and even hitler disliked him beacuse of his sick attitudes.also they were jews like yitzchak shamir that in second world war proposed to join the war on the axis side and a lot of deveral of his stuff along with hitler himself supported the idea but himmler and the stink arab [censored] scum al husseini manage to make hitler an insane creature like no other.
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Normal Atheist, why would any Jewish person support any type of Nazi party?
Nazis deserve to be killed. Nothing more. Nothing less. JTF will not tolerate any support of Nazi parties here!
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The EDL spoke in Berlin on april 17. I didn't see it though because I had to catch a train.
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Normal Atheist, why would any Jewish person support any type of Nazi party?
Nazis deserve to be killed. Nothing more. Nothing less. JTF will not tolerate any support of Nazi parties here!
I agree 100%. It's strange to see members of this forum supporting Nazi parties (including the BNP, which was created by Jew haters. Nick Griffin is an opportunist, he has apparently "changed" his views on the Jews and Israel just to get more supporters. Although he still is a famous white supremacist on StørmFrønt).
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I never thought I would see people advocating for Nazis on JTF.
I suppose Himmler wrote Mein Kampf too. :'(
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Normal Atheist, why would any Jewish person support any type of Nazi party?
Nazis deserve to be killed. Nothing more. Nothing less. JTF will not tolerate any support of Nazi parties here!
maybe we need to d kill most of the nazis beacuse they lick the assess of the muslim leaders but this guys in the link obviously didn't have nothing to do with real nazism.this guys are merely what the liberals would probably called far rightist that didn't know how to express their political ideology so they called it nazism.but they don't realy nazis they just don't know how to call their political ideology (which is similar to our ideology) and need to be helped.
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"normal atheist" you are a despicable Nazi. I don't believe that you are Jewish, and if you are you, then you are a very sick self-hating Jew.
For all of the others who support the Nazi BNP, you are also showing your true colors.
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"normal atheist" you are a despicable Nazi. I don't believe that you are Jewish, and if you are you, then you are a very sick self-hating Jew.
For all of the others who support the Nazi BNP, you are also showing your true colors.
Dear Chaim
In view of your surprising comment, please remove me from the JTF membership list.
I wish you and the JTF all the best for the future.
Thanks.
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"normal atheist" you are a despicable Nazi. I don't believe that you are Jewish, and if you are you, then you are a very sick self-hating Jew.
For all of the others who support the Nazi BNP, you are also showing your true colors.
to chaim shalom,first of all i am jwish by birth,if you can't belive that there is an easy way to check:just check the i.p adress and you will that the computer i am writing this post from are located in israel.i wish you all the luck in the world,now as person that can easily have a doctorat of nazi behavior you can enter the site and see thay aren't truly nazis like the StørmFrønt type.now for the bnp.they are for 11 years now quiting their antisemitic ways and they have a jewish members you can check this easily on the net.now if i were self hjating i would probably will be hang with peace now but i don't and i dipised all the world's leftists.and yes if it is so terrible,i regrett posting this link but i still stand still on my views that we need to support the bnp as we need to support gheert wilders,they are the same type of men.and yes you can check some websites for historical facts even wikipedia.itzchak shamir found it right in is view to enter into alliance with hitler.now i beleive we are doomed now no matter what we do beacuse all the muslim immigrants would kick us from our lands and the idiots like npd or the anp will cause our downfall.but we need to choose from the lesser evil which is zionist nazi,i myself discover this site from a link posting by a kahanist site:
http://www.zionists.com/ and i think that if they can take their help we could also.also remeber that StørmFrønt member wo proposed alliance with us and you declined his offer? people got misguided and become antisemitic beacuse of things like that and we could reverse that by showing them this great forum or other forums like us.if we not more and more whites will either go to stromfront or will turn to the political left and that means a disater for us as jews.we need to show people that the true enemies are the muslims and negroes and maybe,just maybe they would quit their antisemitic ways and will join our cause.
sincerely,normal atheist.
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For all of the others who support the Nazi BNP, you are also showing your true colors.
amen!
as for normal atheist, he is (or claims to be) just a 16 year old kid, I don't think he knows what he is talking about.
he will learn that the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. no-one who supports Israel could ever call themselves Nazi!
they may say they support Israel and are pro-Jewish now, but they have not changed a bit. they are still sending razor blades to Jews and Griffin called EDL a zionist front to create a racewar in the uk. hardly philosemitic. they are just getting better at PR. don't let them con you. they hate the Jews, they are just focusing on Muslims at the moment
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thanks about your post,but is till don't think the british national party is antisemite.i am maybe 16 years old but i am in no way a naive guy (most of the persons who knows me always admired me as one of the greatest manipulators they met).i know how to detect true antisemitism.maybe the they called the edl a zionist front but trust me the edl is no good either.they are a bunch of hooligans that gives our cause a bad name.by the way,if they are so antisemites,why they accepting jewish members into they rank (they are currently banning non whites from party membership)?
sincerely,normal atheist.
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Normal atheist, there are no Nazis that support Israel. It's a trick! They'll murder the Jews that help them as soon as they get whatever they want from allying with them temporarily.
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Normal atheist, there are no Nazis that support Israel. It's a trick! They'll murder the Jews that help them as soon as they get whatever they want from allying with them temporarily.
i see you guys didn't understand what i said.i said we should help them temporarily beacuse right now they are the lesser evil.we could destroy them later or even manage to change their view but currently we more desperatly need allies in fight against islam and negroes beacuse both of us will killed in a muslim dominated west and them and us understand that,after that we could destroy them but right nows we have a much more bigger fishes to fry.
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thanks about your post,but is till don't think the british national party is antisemite.i am maybe 16 years old but i am in no way a naive guy (most of the persons who knows me always admired me as one of the greatest manipulators they met).i know how to detect true antisemitism.maybe the they called the edl a zionist front but trust me the edl is no good either.they are a bunch of hooligans that gives our cause a bad name.by the way,if they are so antisemites,why they accepting jewish members into they rank (they are currently banning non whites from party membership)?
sincerely,normal atheist.
I doubt the effectiveness of the EDL, they are full of football 'casuals', but the fact that Griffin accuses them of being a Zionist conspiracy is proof enough for me that he is an anti-semite - even if you disregard his previous statements.
btw, they are now accepting all people (they have to, after threats from the state).
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Normal atheist, there are no Nazis that support Israel. It's a trick! They'll murder the Jews that help them as soon as they get whatever they want from allying with them temporarily.
i see you guys didn't understand what i said.i said we should help them temporarily beacuse right now they are the lesser evil.we could destroy them later or even manage to change their view but currently we more desperatly need allies in fight against islam and negroes beacuse both of us will killed in a muslim dominated west and them and us understand that,after that we could destroy them but right nows we have a much more bigger fishes to fry.
It's better to just rely on God even if the odds seem overwhelming than to ally with someone that you know is evil. When I think of overwhelming odds against righteous people I don't give up hope because I think of the story of Gideon defeating the Midianites.
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I REPEAT... Jews should never ally with our enemies, even for a short period of time. Only Islam and Muslims engage in such tactics, it is called Taqiya and it is something the Jewish people should never imitate.
Do not vote for antisemitic parties. They may appear to be 'friendly' to Jews in order to trick us, then when we trust them, they will resort back to their evil ways. Amalek is our enemy and this will not likely change. Do not befriend people who have all the signs of being our enemies.
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Obama and his anti-Semite crowd [barring Wright, Jackson, and Farrakhan and a few others who are simply incapable of containing their hatred] all go ad nausem over Jews and Israel... even a bogus Pesach Seder at the Whitehouse. - We get stuck with this kind of vermin when we don't allie ourselves with philo-Semities, or at least non-Judenhassers.
Granted, if I saw Nazis attacking Muslims [or vice versa] I would not lift a finger, but that's only because if I saved either they would most likely one day hurt a Jew or or a righteous Gentile.
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In the final analysis, muman613, it seems we must put total faith in Ha'Shem.
Democratic styled elections offer little on which we can rely.
We need only look in the direction of the State of Israel's political parties, and the anti-Jewish policies so many represent.
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One word of good advice to our young associate normal_atheist : GROW UP!!!!!
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אתאיסט אתה לא נורמלי.
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"normal atheist" I just checked your IP and you are indeed an Israeli.
How a Jew can say he supports groups who call themselves Nazis is beyond my understanding. You don't know what "Nazi" means? You don't know what the Nazis did to over 6 million Jewish men, women and children in the holocaust?
You really are showing us the bankruptcy of atheistic "nationalism".
קשה להאמין שאתה בתור יהודי מסוגל לומר שאתה תומך בארגונים שמגדירים את עצמם כנאצים. האם אתה לא יודע מה פירושה של המילה "נאצי"? האם אתה לא יודע מה הנאצים עשו לשישה מיליון אנשים נשים וטף בשואה? חבל שאתה לא מאמין בקב''ה ותורתו הקדושה. כי זה היה נותן לך מצפן מוסרי ורעיוני
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"normal atheist" I just checked your IP and you are indeed an Israeli.
How a Jew can say he supports groups who call themselves Nazis is beyond my understanding. You don't know what "Nazi" means? You don't know what the Nazis did to over 6 million Jewish men, women and children in the holocaust?
You really are showing us the bankruptcy of atheistic "nationalism".
קשה להאמין שאתה בתור יהודי מסוגל לומר שאתה תומך בארגונים שמגדירים את עצמם כנאצים. האם אתה לא יודע מה פירושה של המילה "נאצי"? האם אתה לא יודע מה הנאצים עשו לשישה מיליון אנשים נשים וטף בשואה? חבל שאתה לא מאמין בקב''ה ותורתו הקדושה. כי זה היה נותן לך מצפן מוסרי ורעיוני
i agree.
Ive tried debating with white supremiscists and they literally blame jews for everything. Yes they are alot of self hating jews, but i showed them this site and you would be amazed by the repsonses chaim. They literally did not know what to say. They have never seen jews with such views as this. I got a very heart warming Private message from a jewish person on the site, ans was very complimentary towards you chaim.
Anyway i apologise for this thread, it was meant to be just an a advice thread, not an all out war :(
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The EDL are for lack of a better term, controlled opposition. They constantly talk about "culture" while saying they are directly against any form of racial nationalism or racial nativisim.
Worst case scenario is Griffin doesn't like Jews but saying he would ever support killing them is a little bit out there. The worlds not perfect and ultimately you're going to be forced to make compromises if you want to get anything done. The BNP is far from the ideal party but considering the rapidly deteriorating situation they are the only choice I see.
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The EDL are for lack of a better term, controlled opposition. They constantly talk about "culture" while saying they are directly against any form of racial nationalism or racial nativisim.
Worst case scenario is Griffin doesn't like Jews but saying he would ever support killing them is a little bit out there. The worlds not perfect and ultimately you're going to be forced to make compromises if you want to get anything done. The BNP is far from the ideal party but considering the rapidly deteriorating situation they are the only choice I see.
Sometimes we do need to make compromises, but that doesn't have to mean supporting Nazis.
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Worst case scenario is Griffin doesn't like Jews but saying he would ever support killing them is a little bit out there. The worlds not perfect and ultimately you're going to be forced to make compromises if you want to get anything done. The BNP is far from the ideal party but considering the rapidly deteriorating situation they are the only choice I see.
Don't kid yourself. There are no degrees of anti-Semitism. Nick Griffin doesn't just dislike Jews. He hates them. He might be trying to sound more moderate now because he's a politician and sometimes in politics it's prudent to sound more moderate than you really are.
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Normal atheist, there are no Nazis that support Israel. It's a trick! They'll murder the Jews that help them as soon as they get whatever they want from allying with them temporarily.
i see you guys didn't understand what i said.i said we should help them temporarily beacuse right now they are the lesser evil.we could destroy them later or even manage to change their view but currently we more desperatly need allies in fight against islam and negroes beacuse both of us will killed in a muslim dominated west and them and us understand that,after that we could destroy them but right nows we have a much more bigger fishes to fry.
Help them temporarily? ROFLMAO! Yes, we help or enemies temporarily to strengthen them for the future. USA just helped the Taliban temporarily - look what Taliban is today. USA's biggest enemy.
Your world is really naive: It doesn't work like that, my enemy's enemy is my friend. My enemy's enemy can still be my enemy and I will never ally with him.
As about you saying Hitler didn't know about the Holocaust. I am shocked about so much ignorance. Hitler even visited and got visited by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, discussion with him "the final solution" - please study your history books! :o
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BTW, normal Atheist:
This site http://nasofi.blogspot.com/ is full of grammatical and orthographic mistakes. It seems to be done by the education-resistent East German Nazis. Those grew up hating Israel. Because under the communists, Israel was regarded as an imperialist teror state and slave of the USA...
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"normal atheist" I just checked your IP and you are indeed an Israeli.
How a Jew can say he supports groups who call themselves Nazis is beyond my understanding. You don't know what "Nazi" means? You don't know what the Nazis did to over 6 million Jewish men, women and children in the holocaust?
You really are showing us the bankruptcy of atheistic "nationalism".
קשה להאמין שאתה בתור יהודי מסוגל לומר שאתה תומך בארגונים שמגדירים את עצמם כנאצים. האם אתה לא יודע מה פירושה של המילה "נאצי"? האם אתה לא יודע מה הנאצים עשו לשישה מיליון אנשים נשים וטף בשואה? חבל שאתה לא מאמין בקב''ה ותורתו הקדושה. כי זה היה נותן לך מצפן מוסרי ורעיוני
chai ben pesach.i am fully understanding the meaning of the word nazi.nobody doubt they are evil scum but we need to ally either with them or with the muslims beacuse our chances of survival are very slim.of course i don't proposed that we ally ourselves with nazi scums like that of stromfront or the npd but with people like us that don't know what to call their ideologies so they calling themselves nazies.this people need guidance and somebody need to show them this forum especialy the serbian section and the save america section which are full of white genitiles to show them not all jews are evil (most of them aren't antisemitic anyway).in regard to the bnp the only things i could do is to post links to this articles:
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/21617/bnp-praises-israel-minister-foreigners
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/006128.html
http://www.jewcy.com/post/british_national_partys_proisrael_turn
http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/11/bnp-warmly-welcomes-israeli-interior.html
http://www.StørmFrønt.org/forum/t654759/
http://www.thecommentfactory.com/immigration-and-the-bnp-2892
http://www.mpacuk.org/story/091109/bnp-and-israel-courting-couple.html
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/01/bnp-pro-israel.html
need more proof that the bnp is not anti semitic? i can continue like that also with the lnsg,geert weelders,vlaams belang and more.so yes i honestly say that true british should vote to the bnp and not to the edl.isn't it seems strange that the edl just poped out of nowhere last years with hundreds of supporters and marches? i am sure it is the work of the mi5.they are also probably had infilitrate to our site too.
lehitraot.
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BTW, normal Atheist:
This site http://nasofi.blogspot.com/ is full of grammatical and orthographic mistakes. It seems to be done by the education-resistent East German Nazis. Those grew up hating Israel. Because under the communists, Israel was regarded as an imperialist teror state and slave of the USA...
so what if they are not the most educated people on earth? it doesn't mean they don't have a point.and about history,the grand mufti of jerusalem is actually the guy who brainwashed hitler into the psychotic killing machine he became.i read a lot of world war 2 history i all said the same thing.
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I dont' think it took a lot of brainwashing. If he wasn't evil to begin with no crazy Muslim could have made him evil.
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BTW, normal Atheist:
This site http://nasofi.blogspot.com/ is full of grammatical and orthographic mistakes. It seems to be done by the education-resistent East German Nazis. Those grew up hating Israel. Because under the communists, Israel was regarded as an imperialist teror state and slave of the USA...
so what if they are not the most educated people on earth? it doesn't mean they don't have a point.and about history,the grand mufti of jerusalem is actually the guy who brainwashed hitler into the psychotic killing machine he became.i read a lot of world war 2 history i all said the same thing.
norm,
Where did you learn that the Mufti of Jerusalem 'brainwashed' Hitler... This is one of the most preposterous ideas I have heard from you. The antisemitism of Europe is what created Hitler since Islam was not popular there. You are aware that there is a thing called Christian Antisemitism and it was expressed through Martin Luthers antisemitic publications.
It sounds to me like what you are saying is historical revisionism...
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I think Hitler was influenced by Martin Luther's writings much more than any Muslim.
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im voting ukip because of this policy.
"UKIP wishes to see democracy, free markets and personal liberty for all peoples and nations. UKIP has concerns about autocracies such as China, Russia and their Shanghai Co-operation Organisation (SCO). UKIP wishes to see an end to the persecution of religious minorities such as Christians in Muslim countries under Sharia law. UKIP also wishes to see an end to the prosecution and execution of former Muslims who leave the Muslim religion in certain Muslim countries. "
http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/1536-foreign-affairs-and-international-trade
i could not see anything on israel though...
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The EDL are for lack of a better term, controlled opposition. They constantly talk about "culture" while saying they are directly against any form of racial nationalism or racial nativisim.
Worst case scenario is Griffin doesn't like Jews but saying he would ever support killing them is a little bit out there. The worlds not perfect and ultimately you're going to be forced to make compromises if you want to get anything done. The BNP is far from the ideal party but considering the rapidly deteriorating situation they are the only choice I see.
Sometimes we do need to make compromises, but that doesn't have to mean supporting Nazis.
So tell me, who should be supported besides the BNP? Its barely gotten off the ground and so far its expanding at a reasonable pace. They are the only ones who will address what needs to be addressed. It would take years for another party to be created(and it would ultimately end up being equated with the BNP anyway), by that time Britain would be unsalvageable outside of actual Nazi like action.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/
Worst case scenario is Griffin doesn't like Jews but saying he would ever support killing them is a little bit out there. The worlds not perfect and ultimately you're going to be forced to make compromises if you want to get anything done. The BNP is far from the ideal party but considering the rapidly deteriorating situation they are the only choice I see.
Don't kid yourself. There are no degrees of anti-Semitism. Nick Griffin doesn't just dislike Jews. He hates them. He might be trying to sound more moderate now because he's a politician and sometimes in politics it's prudent to sound more moderate than you really are.
I don't think so but even if he does he would never be able to directly damage them. I suppose we will disagree on this issue, I'm starting to see a clear conflict of interest here which is unfortunate.
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BTW, normal Atheist:
This site http://nasofi.blogspot.com/ is full of grammatical and orthographic mistakes. It seems to be done by the education-resistent East German Nazis. Those grew up hating Israel. Because under the communists, Israel was regarded as an imperialist teror state and slave of the USA...
so what if they are not the most educated people on earth? it doesn't mean they don't have a point.and about history,the grand mufti of jerusalem is actually the guy who brainwashed hitler into the psychotic killing machine he became.i read a lot of world war 2 history i all said the same thing.
norm,
Where did you learn that the Mufti of Jerusalem 'brainwashed' Hitler... This is one of the most preposterous ideas I have heard from you. The antisemitism of Europe is what created Hitler since Islam was not popular there. You are aware that there is a thing called Christian Antisemitism and it was expressed through Martin Luthers antisemitic publications.
It sounds to me like what you are saying is historical revisionism...
what i am saying maybe can under limited circumstances considered as historical revisionism.but you need to remeber that most of the popular view on history proved to be wrong for example the myth about the height of napoleon.do you remeber we had a prime minister called yitzchak shamir? during the war he and the avraham stern went to beirut especialy in order to propose an alliance with the nazies alliance many nazis wanted to accept but himmler got the delegate to reject the offer beacuse of muslim pressure.the muslim are the direct cause of the holocaust,before the war hitler supported zionism (this is based on the account of the chairman of the largest german zionist movement at the time).there even was a jewish person quite famous at the time (i don't remeber her name right now) who tried to nominate hitler for the peace nobel prize.now all this was in the early 1930s before he get biased by al husseini and himmler.
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I think Hitler was influenced by Martin Luther's writings much more than any Muslim.
hitler was to a lesser degree influenced by luther.most of his early influences were 19th century anhropologists that weren't antisemitic.after his brainwashing by himmler he just edited their books and you can buy today the original books or read them at google scholar.
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I can't believe to read Hitler apologism on this site!!! :o This is sick. Hitler held anti-semitic speeches and openly called Jews "rats" BEFORE he ever met with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. And it was rather that the Muslims sympathized with nazism as they feared a mass-immigration of Jews into Eretz-Yisrael as promised by the Balfour Declaration. Much of the land had already been bought by Jews this was a main reason for the irreversible creation of the State of Israel.
It might be true that Hitlers first plan was to expel all Jews to the Middle East, but when the resistance was too big, he desisted and agreed with the Grand Mufti on the "Final Solution" - but he was in no way brainwashed by the mufti, he simply found a big sympathizer.
Norm, please stop excusing Hitler's sickness. He was deeply evil, and this evilness he had BEFORE... >:(
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BTW, normal Atheist:
This site http://nasofi.blogspot.com/ is full of grammatical and orthographic mistakes. It seems to be done by the education-resistent East German Nazis. Those grew up hating Israel. Because under the communists, Israel was regarded as an imperialist teror state and slave of the USA...
so what if they are not the most educated people on earth? it doesn't mean they don't have a point.and about history,the grand mufti of jerusalem is actually the guy who brainwashed hitler into the psychotic killing machine he became.i read a lot of world war 2 history i all said the same thing.
norm,
Where did you learn that the Mufti of Jerusalem 'brainwashed' Hitler... This is one of the most preposterous ideas I have heard from you. The antisemitism of Europe is what created Hitler since Islam was not popular there. You are aware that there is a thing called Christian Antisemitism and it was expressed through Martin Luthers antisemitic publications.
It sounds to me like what you are saying is historical revisionism...
what i am saying maybe can under limited circumstances considered as historical revisionism.but you need to remeber that most of the popular view on history proved to be wrong for example the myth about the height of napoleon.do you remeber we had a prime minister called yitzchak shamir? during the war he and the avraham stern went to beirut especialy in order to propose an alliance with the nazies alliance many nazis wanted to accept but himmler got the delegate to reject the offer beacuse of muslim pressure.the muslim are the direct cause of the holocaust,before the war hitler supported zionism (this is based on the account of the chairman of the largest german zionist movement at the time).there even was a jewish person quite famous at the time (i don't remeber her name right now) who tried to nominate hitler for the peace nobel prize.now all this was in the early 1930s before he get biased by al husseini and himmler.
I dont think you understand what Historical Revisionism is... It doesn't mean what you imply it does... Those who espouse Holocaust Denial are the ones who engage in Historical Revisionism. Those who try to change history for their own perverted goals. Hitler was not influenced by the Mufti... This is not possible because the Mufti only met with Hitler long after his rise to power and his antisemitic tirades. I think you have either been learning history from some teachers with a nefarious purpose, or you did not learn correctly.
Hitlers antisemitism was born from European antisemitism.. As we said it was born from the doctrines of Martin Luther and others. You also seem very willing to overlook the evil nature of Hitler and his brand of antisemitism. This Nazi antisemitism was very different from the Islamic antisemitism. Modern day islam learned a lot from the christian antisemites {blood libels such as the passover matzah libel, etc.}...
PS: Please provide references which back up your outragous statements...
the muslim are the direct cause of the holocaust,before the war hitler supported zionism (this is based on the account of the chairman of the largest german zionist movement at the time)
It sounds to me like you have bought some of the antisemitic lies which the nazis are pushing... I found many antisemitic site which echo the ideas which you mention here...
http://www.thefinalsolutiontoadolphhitler.com/
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BTW, normal Atheist:
This site http://nasofi.blogspot.com/ is full of grammatical and orthographic mistakes. It seems to be done by the education-resistent East German Nazis. Those grew up hating Israel. Because under the communists, Israel was regarded as an imperialist teror state and slave of the USA...
so what if they are not the most educated people on earth? it doesn't mean they don't have a point.and about history,the grand mufti of jerusalem is actually the guy who brainwashed hitler into the psychotic killing machine he became.i read a lot of world war 2 history i all said the same thing.
norm,
Where did you learn that the Mufti of Jerusalem 'brainwashed' Hitler... This is one of the most preposterous ideas I have heard from you. The antisemitism of Europe is what created Hitler since Islam was not popular there. You are aware that there is a thing called Christian Antisemitism and it was expressed through Martin Luthers antisemitic publications.
It sounds to me like what you are saying is historical revisionism...
what i am saying maybe can under limited circumstances considered as historical revisionism.but you need to remeber that most of the popular view on history proved to be wrong for example the myth about the height of napoleon.do you remeber we had a prime minister called yitzchak shamir? during the war he and the avraham stern went to beirut especialy in order to propose an alliance with the nazies alliance many nazis wanted to accept but himmler got the delegate to reject the offer beacuse of muslim pressure.the muslim are the direct cause of the holocaust,before the war hitler supported zionism (this is based on the account of the chairman of the largest german zionist movement at the time).there even was a jewish person quite famous at the time (i don't remeber her name right now) who tried to nominate hitler for the peace nobel prize.now all this was in the early 1930s before he get biased by al husseini and himmler.
I dont think you understand what Historical Revisionism is... It doesn't mean what you imply it does... Those who espouse Holocaust Denial are the ones who engage in Historical Revisionism. Those who try to change history for their own perverted goals. Hitler was not influenced by the Mufti... This is not possible because the Mufti only met with Hitler long after his rise to power and his antisemitic tirades. I think you have either been learning history from some teachers with a nefarious purpose, or you did not learn correctly.
Hitlers antisemitism was born from European antisemitism.. As we said it was born from the doctrines of Martin Luther and others. You also seem very willing to overlook the evil nature of Hitler and his brand of antisemitism. This Nazi antisemitism was very different from the Islamic antisemitism. Modern day islam learned a lot from the christian antisemites {blood libels such as the passover matzah libel, etc.}...
PS: Please provide references which back up your outragous statements...
the muslim are the direct cause of the holocaust,before the war hitler supported zionism (this is based on the account of the chairman of the largest german zionist movement at the time)
okey here is the references:
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/zionist_collaboration_with_the_nazis.htm
http://www.freearabvoice.org/naziZionistCooperation.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Zionism_and_Nazism
http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/real_freedom/Propaganda/New_World_Order/transfer_agreement_between_zionists_and_nazis.htm
http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=23871
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Haavara-Agreement
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html
http://www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/jew-nazi.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)#Contact_with_Nazi_authorities
http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/martinez/
http://www.nazi.org/nazi/policy/anti-semitism/
http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/martinez/column1/
do you want another set of back ups or it is enough for you?
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normal atheist,
I hope you realize some of those sites are antisemitic in nature... You cannot believe everything which you read.
What is the seventh fire? that site seems a bit eccentric to me...
Also the Free Arab voice? That is not something I would accept as fact.. Sounds like a mouthpiece of arab propaganda...
You link to www.nazi.org as a proof of what you are saying... Are you sure you are not a Nazi too?
My goodness.. Every site you link to is one of those 'weird' far-out and not based in reality sites... Maybe wikipedia... But even that can be modified by anyone...
it is true that there were Kapo jews who turned in their Jewish bretheren... This is well known... But I do not believe that there was a conspiracy between the Jews and the Nazis in order to kill 6 million Jews... Proposing that is 100% insanity..
Im just wondering na, whether you believe 6 million Jews were killed by Nazi germany or do you believe the propaganda from the antisemitic nazis?
From wiki article:
In his book, Abbas described the Nazi Holocaust as "The Zionist fantasy, the fantastic lie that six million Jews were killed."[6] He also wrote:
"It seems that the interest of the Zionist movement, however, is to inflate this figure [of Holocaust deaths] so that their gains will be greater. This led them to emphasize this figure [six million] in order to gain the solidarity of international public opinion with Zionism. Many scholars have debated the figure of six million and reached stunning conclusions—fixing the number of Jewish victims at only a few hundred thousand."[7][8][9]
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normal atheist,
I hope you realize some of those sites are antisemitic in nature... You cannot believe everything which you read.
What is the seventh fire? that site seems a bit eccentric to me...
Also the Free Arab voice? That is not something I would accept as fact.. Sounds like a mouthpiece of arab propaganda...
You link to www.nazi.org as a proof of what you are saying... Are you sure you are not a Nazi too?
My goodness.. Every site you link to is one of those 'weird' far-out and not based in reality sites... Maybe wikipedia... But even that can be modified by anyone...
it is true that there were Kapo jews who turned in their Jewish bretheren... This is well known... But I do not believe that there was a conspiracy between the Jews and the Nazis in order to kill 6 million Jews... Proposing that is 100% insanity..
Im just wondering na, whether you believe 6 million Jews were killed by Nazi germany or do you believe the propaganda from the antisemitic nazis?
From wiki article:
In his book, Abbas described the Nazi Holocaust as "The Zionist fantasy, the fantastic lie that six million Jews were killed."[6] He also wrote:
"It seems that the interest of the Zionist movement, however, is to inflate this figure [of Holocaust deaths] so that their gains will be greater. This led them to emphasize this figure [six million] in order to gain the solidarity of international public opinion with Zionism. Many scholars have debated the figure of six million and reached stunning conclusions—fixing the number of Jewish victims at only a few hundred thousand."[7][8][9]
muman613,i cheked myself every site i sent a link to.you need to separatae fact from the propaganda [censored].the arab site used the facts to distorte reality and propose some wierd conspiracy theory but it is no mean that the core facts are worng.by the way i am sure you didn't entered nazi.org beacuse if you will enter you will see how much they don't connected to national socialism as it professed by the nsdp.and yes the deeds stern and shamir are well documneted.a lot of the senior memebrs in the nsdap supported a jewish totalitarian state in some kind of treaty with nazi germany.
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Considering that the Axis powers literally wanted to rule the world as their ultimate goal, what do you think the fate of the Jews would have been if they had succeeded?
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"Regret" the Holocaust?
it is meant they publicly said in their website that the holocaust was wrong and that hitler wasn't realy meant it,or that he didn't knew about it.i personnaly think the latter option is more accurate beacuse hitler supported the zionist movement until world war 2 when he get his mind ripped by himmler.himmler was an idiot and even hitler disliked him beacuse of his sick attitudes.also they were jews like yitzchak shamir that in second world war proposed to join the war on the axis side and a lot of deveral of his stuff along with hitler himself supported the idea but himmler and the stink arab schvartza scum al husseini manage to make hitler an insane creature like no other.
This is a ridiculous pile of garbage. Hitler didn't know about the holocaust?? You're a sick pup!
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This is a ridiculous pile of garbage. Hitler didn't know about the holocaust?? You're a sick pup!
I thought he was just a young guy who didn't know any better, but despite everyone informing him, he persists? now I am thinking he is a troll.
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I almost think this boy is either using an Israeli proxy or he is an Arab who lives in Israel and he is fooling us. Maybe he is one of these jerks who do not have anything better to do than identifying themselves with the aggressor in order to feel less pain about the sad facts (this case the Shoa), this often occurs also with people who were kidnapped and tortured... At least he has some very very WEIRD points of view!!! :o
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normal atheist, There are plenty of good people out there to support rather than temporally supporting Nazi's. People that have Nazi tendencies may mask there intentions but in the end always show there true colors. In the end supporting people like that will be more detrimental to you that you might ever think. When it comes to historical reference dealing with the Holocaust, Hitler and WW2 it always better looking for older writings books from the late 40's and early 50's. Books and articles from that time tend to be free of the revisionism that you will find in book written in the last 20 or 30 years. Sadly here in America and also in Israel forces are at work to deceive the population. Get the people to drink the kool Aid so to speak. Being well informed will prevent you from being sucked in by people that would rather America or the State of Israel never existed.
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Iam not very familiar with the bnp but i remember watching a video on them! Why are so many people against them?? Just curious!
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Iam not very familiar with the bnp but i remember watching a video on them! Why are so many people against them?? Just curious!
Didn't you read this thread? Why are people here against them? Their leader was a known antisemite {Jew Hater}... THIS IS THE JEWISH TASK FORCE... By process of deduction you should realize that Jew-Haters and Jews are not going to get along... The question which some have brought up is at what level of anti-semitism does the BNP rise. I have read some of what Nick Griffen has said and he appears to be quite an antisemite.... If he still has power within the party I would not trust him.
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normal atheist, There are plenty of good people out there to support rather than temporally supporting Nazi's. People that have Nazi tendencies may mask there intentions but in the end always show there true colors. In the end supporting people like that will be more detrimental to you that you might ever think. When it comes to historical reference dealing with the Holocaust, Hitler and WW2 it always better looking for older writings books from the late 40's and early 50's. Books and articles from that time tend to be free of the revisionism that you will find in book written in the last 20 or 30 years. Sadly here in America and also in Israel forces are at work to deceive the population. Get the people to drink the kool Aid so to speak. Being well informed will prevent you from being sucked in by people that would rather America or the State of Israel never existed.
well if you have some books that you can rcomended me i would be glad to hear them.
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You know that old saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Well, if you think that just because a Nazi is the enemy of your enemy, don't ever think that he'll be your friend and won't come after you next. That is really naive thinking.
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You know that old saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Well, if you think that just because a Nazi is the enemy of your enemy, don't ever think that he'll be your friend and won't come after you next. That is really naive thinking.
i didn't think said that he won't come after me next.but in second thought thiis fool will never have enough power to come after me (and if they have we could just start a nuclear war earlier than i thought). :P
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The election was a failure although I'm not completely surprised.
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The election was a failure although I'm not completely surprised.
why it was a failure? it was a great victory,the liberal democrats just lost the elections and we have kamrun (i hope correctly spelled his name) and brown will stuck with each other and soon we will go to a new election and then we could hope for a better party to win.
p.s:what do you think about the edl? it is seems weird to me that they just poped up one day with scores of supporters and ability or orgnise marches trough the entire uk.maybe they are a mi5 pawns.
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why it was a failure? it was a great victory,the liberal democrats just lost the elections and we have kamrun (i hope correctly spelled his name) and brown will stuck with each other and soon we will go to a new election and then we could hope for a better party to win.
p.s:what do you think about the edl? it is seems weird to me that they just poped up one day with scores of supporters and ability or orgnise marches trough the entire uk.maybe they are a mi5 pawns.
the lib dems never had any hope of winning the election, but it is a shock that they lost a few seats - however, they could still find themselves in government, so don't get excited. Brown and Cameron will not form a coalition, no chance.
There will be another election soon, certainly within one year. I can only hope that the Tories realise how hopeless Cameron is and we get a proper conservative party for whom I would be able to vote. We just have to hope that Lab/Libs do not force PR on us, even though it would give us at least 10 UKIP MPs.
as for the EDL, they are not a political party. They are no MI5 pawns, they are organised because they compromise largely of football hooligans who were already fairly well organised.
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UKIP came 4th in share of the vote, with 3.1% - though they didn't get any seats.
Annoyingly, the Greens had an poor night, but actually got one deluded woman elected.
BNP got 1.9% (though that is up from 0.7% last general election) but lost a lot of deposits :P
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why it was a failure? it was a great victory,the liberal democrats just lost the elections and we have kamrun (i hope correctly spelled his name) and brown will stuck with each other and soon we will go to a new election and then we could hope for a better party to win.
p.s:what do you think about the edl? it is seems weird to me that they just poped up one day with scores of supporters and ability or orgnise marches trough the entire uk.maybe they are a mi5 pawns.
the lib dems never had any hope of winning the election, but it is a shock that they lost a few seats - however, they could still find themselves in government, so don't get excited. Brown and Cameron will not form a coalition, no chance.
There will be another election soon, certainly within one year. I can only hope that the Tories realise how hopeless Cameron is and we get a proper conservative party for whom I would be able to vote. We just have to hope that Lab/Libs do not force PR on us, even though it would give us at least 10 UKIP MPs.
as for the EDL, they are not a political party. They are no MI5 pawns, they are organised because they compromise largely of football hooligans who were already fairly well organised.
well,about the elections.anything will be better the social democrats in government but if they idiot chairman will have an important seat (like the foreign minster) it will also be good beacuse it will show the british why this guys didn't get elected for a long time.i hope that after this experience their party would crash and bcome ash and dust :P
about edl.what you describe is even worse beacuse this types of people give us a bad name >:( i don't think we need to support this type of right wingers beacuse we will be seen as pack of vandalists and morons.
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about edl.what you describe is even worse beacuse this types of people give us a bad name >:( i don't think we need to support this type of right wingers beacuse we will be seen as pack of vandalists and morons.
I agree, but I am not sure that working with Nazis or apologising for Hitler would improve our image either...
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I agree, but I am not sure that working with Nazis or apologising for Hitler would improve our image either...
i calrifyed that misunderstanding to chaim ben pesach in am message.
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normal atheist, There are plenty of good people out there to support rather than temporally supporting Nazi's. People that have Nazi tendencies may mask there intentions but in the end always show there true colors. In the end supporting people like that will be more detrimental to you that you might ever think. When it comes to historical reference dealing with the Holocaust, Hitler and WW2 it always better looking for older writings books from the late 40's and early 50's. Books and articles from that time tend to be free of the revisionism that you will find in book written in the last 20 or 30 years. Sadly here in America and also in Israel forces are at work to deceive the population. Get the people to drink the kool Aid so to speak. Being well informed will prevent you from being sucked in by people that would rather America or the State of Israel never existed.
well if you have some books that you can rcomended me i would be glad to hear them.
Here is one that is really a tough read... Very sad...It really shows what Jews were up against with the Nazi's
http://www.amazon.com/Treblinka-Jean-Francois-Steiner/dp/0452011248#reader_0452011248
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normal atheist, There are plenty of good people out there to support rather than temporally supporting Nazi's. People that have Nazi tendencies may mask there intentions but in the end always show there true colors. In the end supporting people like that will be more detrimental to you that you might ever think. When it comes to historical reference dealing with the Holocaust, Hitler and WW2 it always better looking for older writings books from the late 40's and early 50's. Books and articles from that time tend to be free of the revisionism that you will find in book written in the last 20 or 30 years. Sadly here in America and also in Israel forces are at work to deceive the population. Get the people to drink the kool Aid so to speak. Being well informed will prevent you from being sucked in by people that would rather America or the State of Israel never existed.
well if you have some books that you can rcomended me i would be glad to hear them.
Here is one that is really a tough read... Very sad...It really shows what Jews were up against with the Nazi's
http://www.amazon.com/Treblinka-Jean-Francois-Steiner/dp/0452011248#reader_0452011248
thank you for the book,i would try to read him soon but it will took a little until i will start reading it beacuse i had a very bad exam today and i want to prepare to the matriculum in the end of the month.
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אתה מאמין ברעיונות גזעניים ואף נאציים כי אתה מחשיב את עצמך חלק מאיזו מוטציה שמתקראת "התרבות הלבנה". אין דבר כזה. תרבויות יכול להתקיים על בסיס רעיונות ולא על בסיס צבע עור. גזע זה מיתוס דארוויניסטי שלא קיים, רעיון שלכבודו נרצחו עשרות מיליוני אנשים.
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שמע אתה מטורף
מדוע אתה מסיק זאת?
אתה מאמין ברעיונות גזעניים ואף נאציים כי אתה מחשיב את עצמך חלק מאיזו מוטציה שמתקראת "התרבות הלבנה". אין דבר כזה. תרבויות יכול להתקיים על בסיס רעיונות ולא על בסיס צבע עור. גזע זה מיתוס דארוויניסטי שלא קיים, רעיון שלכבודו נרצחו עשרות מיליוני אנשים.
כל תרבות גדולה בהיסטוריה (היוונית,הרומית,הגרמנית העתיקה,המונגולית וכולי) התקיימה מקבוצת אנשים בעלי אותו גזע ואף אותו תת גזע.ברגע שהתרבויות הללו נעשו חזקות מספיק הם התחילו להתערבב עם גזעים אחרים ולהתנוון.כל התרבויות כולם ללא יוצא מן הכלל שהרשו התערבבות עם שחורים כגון הרומאית התנוונו כתוצאה מכך בגלל שגנטית השחורים אינם מסוגלים להתערבב עם חברות פרמיטיביות. אין הם אשמים בכך כי הדי אן איי שלהם עדיין מתאים לחיים פרמיטיביים כגון חיים של ציידים.זוהי גם הסיבה לאחוז הפשיעה הגבוה אצלם.
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התרבויות הנ"ל התפרקו לא מ"התערבבות עם גזעים אחרים" (שוב, קיומם של גזעים טעון הוכחה) אלא מחוסר יציבות שלטונית וכלכלית (כמו בדוגמא האירופאית) או אנרכיה או ניוון רעיוני ולא גזעי. הקונפדרציה של אמריקה הייתה מדינה יציבה ביותר בה ה"גזעים" התערבבו באופן חופשי.
אחוז הפשיעה ברוסיה הלבנה גבוה בהרבה מזה של כושונים ומעבר לזה יש המון פושעים לבנים, מה זה אומר? שזה גנטי? תעשה לי טובה ותפסיק למחזר חומר של יוליוס רוזנברג.
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התרבויות הנ"ל התפרקו לא מ"התערבבות עם גזעים אחרים" (שוב, קיומם של גזעים טעון הוכחה) אלא מחוסר יציבות שלטונית וכלכלית (כמו בדוגמא האירופאית) או אנרכיה או ניוון רעיוני ולא גזעי. הקונפדרציה של אמריקה הייתה מדינה יציבה ביותר בה ה"גזעים" התערבבו באופן חופשי.
אחוז הפשיעה ברוסיה הלבנה גבוה בהרבה מזה של כושונים ומעבר לזה יש המון פושעים לבנים, מה זה אומר? שזה גנטי? תעשה לי טובה ותפסיק למחזר חומר של יוליוס רוזנברג.
הקונפדרציה של אמריקה אף פעם לא הרשתה ערבוב חופשי בין הגזעים.איסור זה היה אחת הסיבות שהצפון המנווון מבחינה מוסרית ניסה לחסל את הזהות הדרומית.וגם רוסיה היא לא לבנה לגמרי.הרוסים והקווקזים שנמצאים בה הם לבנים אבל יש שם המון שבטים סיביריים שקרובים יותר לטורקים של ימינו וטטרים מוסלמים וצצ'ניםץהם גם מרכיבים את רוב חברי המאפיה ברוסיה.