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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Moshe92 on May 04, 2010, 03:44:16 PM
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Which of the Allies do you think contributed most to the WWII victory?
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The USSR
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The USSR
Yea, OK ::)
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I'd say: USA won "the war" while USSR (communist/marxism/bolshevism) won "the peace".
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Daniele.from.Italy: "I'd say: USA won "the war" while USSR (communist/marxism/bolshevism) won "the peace"."
Hear! Hear!
;D
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p.s.
The Red Army of the U.S.S.R crushed Hitler's Wermacht and turned Goering's planned two week conquest of the USSR, "Operation Barbarossa", into a chaotic retreat all the way to Berlin.
Had Hitler taken the Soviet Union as he had planned, the likelihood of our winning WWII would have been greatly diminished.
Had Hitler NOT opened a second European front to Germany's east, his forces would have been fully intact, formidable, and resistant to invasion, and the cost of victory to the U.S.A would have been enormous.
Hitler would have been unopposed master of the entire European land mass.
Of course, it's usually at this point that all the members who learned history from a John Wayne movie will immediately begin attacking me as a "commie" or "pinko" or "liar" etc...
So...All who don't know history, go on and have your fun. I could care less.
The FACTS surrounding the Allied victory in WWII bear no relationship whatsoever to the evil Soviet Communist government, its political philosophy, and its policies.
It stands duly noted that the USSR was INVADED by Nazi Germany, suffered almost incalculable losses in men and materials, came very close to being defeated.
Yes...Stalin at first signed a pact with Hitler -- and so forth and so on....we all know the story -- which again has no bearing on the fact that the USSR defeated Hitler on the European continent and chased the Wehrmacht back all the way to Berlin.
We in the U.S.A. suffered no such invasion of our home territory.
Facts are facts, and the fact is that it was the efforts of the USSR which turned the tide of the European War.
p.s.s. -- another 'inconvenient truth' --
It was Prime Minister Andrei Gromyko of the USSR who gave an impassioned plea at the UN podium in 1948 for the world's official recognition and establishment of The State of Israel, casting a "da " vote for the USSR!
He stated that the USSR recognized Zionism to be the legitimate national liberation movement of the Jewish People, and must therefore be accorded legal legitimacy as a genuine "peoples' struggle in the world fight against imperialism, colonialism, and anti-Semitism.
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Russia had a few things going for it that would eventually doom the Nazi war effort against it. Size, weather and the amount and a population that the government considered expendable that could be used to wear the enemy down. War against Russia was like shooting fish in a barrel. The barrel was big and the fish plentiful costing Germany casualties and supplies they could ill afford to loose. Russia paid a heavy price but the price they paid was to save their own neck. In the end I believe America could have won the war on its own between Germany and Japan at great cost however Russia could never have survived at any price without America and England in the picture
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The Serbs and the Russians contributed most to the WWII victory..
Because of the Serbian rebellion at the Balkans, the Nazi invasion of Russia became delayed.
And during the 90s the Serbs prevented again a Western invasion of Russia.
The West thought that Yugoslavia [a pro-Russian country] would easily collapse into pro-EU marionette countries. The Serbs who constituted 51% of Yugoslavia's populations tried to prevent the collapse of Yugoslavia. The NATO was 10 years engaged in the Balkan conflicts and could not focus on Russia during the 90s, when Russia was weak.
Those 10 years were necessary to bring someone like Putin in charge of Russia.
I hope that Putin will very soon help the Serbs to re-take Kosovo and Krajina.
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He stated that the USSR recognized Zionism to be the legitimate national liberation movement of the Jewish People, and must therefore be accorded legal legitimacy as a genuine "peoples' struggle in the world fight against imperialism, colonialism, and anti-Semitism.
Correct! The USSR authorities also allowed a Jewish autonomous region in Russia!
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Anti semites until Israel won the war for independence
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It was a combined effort, the USSR stopped the advance and bogged them down, but the US entering the war tipped the balance decisively in our favour. But if we Brits allowed the Nazis to invade the UK, we'd have had no base from which to attack on D-Day. The French... well... they made croissants for our soldiers after the was over. :::D
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I'd say it was the USA and Russia in first place and UK in second. Sorry to say that, but France in my opinion was too much a Nazi sympathizer to resist.
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USSR, definitely.
Although, America contributed a lot in war materials and they tipped the balance, as someone said.
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Without the Russians and the Americans, Oswald Mosley would have become the Reichsprotektor England.
Without the Russians, the Americans would have been raped in Western Europe (after being
almost destroyed in the Battle of the Bulge) and sent back home in thousands making
them regret they entered the European front.
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The Serbs and the Russians contributed most to the WWII victory..
Because of the Serbian rebellion at the Balkans, the Nazi invasion of Russia became delayed.
The Serbs did contribute a lot but I wouldn't say they contributed the most along with the Russians.
I hope that Putin will very soon help the Serbs to re-take Kosovo and Krajina.
Let's hope Putin dies of cancer and that Russia would be buried under the Fire of Jihad (not Serbia though).
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Serbs were the best resistance fighters in WWII.
Within five months of invading USSR, the nazis had entrapped St. Petersburg and were knocking at the doors of Moscow. If Russia then had the leaders like Yeltsin or Gorbachev, then in-spite of all the British and American help, the nazis certainly would have overrun Siberia within one year and met with Japanese at Vladivostok.
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It was a combined effort, the USSR stopped the advance and bogged them down, but the US entering the war tipped the balance decisively in our favour. But if we Brits allowed the Nazis to invade the UK, we'd have had no base from which to attack on D-Day. The French... well... they made croissants for our soldiers after the was over. :::D
the germans were already retreating on the eastern front by the time Dday happened
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who won world war 2? pretty the muslims,after the war the liberals took over the western war so basically we replaced hitler type nazism with liberal and musulman nazism.
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who won world war 2? pretty the muslims,after the war the liberals took over the western war so basically we replaced hitler type nazism with liberal and musulman nazism.
Yes, muslamics snatched the baton from the hands of the dead nazi and under the roaring cheers of the liberal crowds, started running speedily in the final lap of the relay race. That is why WWIII has been already named.
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who won world war 2? pretty the muslims,after the war the liberals took over the western war so basically we replaced hitler type nazism with liberal and musulman nazism.
Yes, muslamics snatched the baton from the hands of the dead nazi and under the roaring cheers of the liberal crowds, started running speedily in the final lap of the relay race. That is why WWIII has been already named.
this is why wold war 3 and 4 has been named,the first will be agianst the muslim world and the second against the negroes and commies/liberlas.i very pessimistic about the our chances about the liberla/commie and negore threats but i hope it will turn in the best way.
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The Serbs did contribute a lot but I wouldn't say they contributed the most along with the Russians.
Well the Serbs and Russians did not have much choice.
The Nazis tried to invade their lands and to exterminate them or to make slaves of them. In order to survive the Russians and the Serbs needed to fight Nazism.
I do not know what other nations gave also so many lives for the defeat of Nazism during WW2, like the Serbs and Russians? Much more Serbs and Russians died during WW2 than Western people. England and the US were not invaded by Nazis, in contrast to Serbia and Russia.
If it is true that so many Serbs and Russians died during the Nazi period, than it is logical to assume that those nations contributed the most.
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who won world war 2? pretty the muslims,after the war the liberals took over the western war so basically we replaced hitler type nazism with liberal and musulman nazism.
Yes, muslamics snatched the baton from the hands of the dead nazi and under the roaring cheers of the liberal crowds, started running speedily in the final lap of the relay race. That is why WWIII has been already named.
this is why wold war 3 and 4 has been named,the first will be agianst the muslim world and the second against the negroes and commies/liberlas.i very pessimistic about the our chances about the liberla/commie and negore threats but i hope it will turn in the best way.
From what do you come to this conclusion? Most Jewish belief is that there will be one final battle against all evil in the world and all those who are against Israel will be destroyed. The righteous of the nations will survive this final battle...
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Unfortunately it is suspected that only three and half nations will be unexpectedly on the side of Israel. Obviously it will be looking like a most hopeless situation.
Kindly forgive me, as I can not say who and why.
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The Russians took the most casualties and also inflicted the most damage, but the Americans are the top contributor to the war in terms of arms production, supply, naval and air superiority, and without them Russia would surely have lost the war: Russia would have lost the war if:
America and Britain hadn't blockaded German shipping, had America not confronted Japan- then Japan would have joined the Attack on the USSR, had America not sent supply convoys to Russia when they were desperate, had Germany not keep reserves in France to guard against American invasion.
On the other hand, without Russia in the war, America could still have won it, if not the hard way, then the nuclear way.
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Without the timely report of Richard Sorge, it could have never occurred to the mind of Stalin that Japan in no case was going to attack Siberia.
If Stalin had used little of mind he would have shifted the forces from Siberia to Moscow much earlier and in due time.
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The Serbs did contribute a lot but I wouldn't say they contributed the most along with the Russians.
Well the Serbs and Russians did not have much choice.
The Nazis tried to invade their lands and to exterminate them or to make slaves of them. In order to survive the Russians and the Serbs needed to fight Nazism.
I do not know what other nations gave also so many lives for the defeat of Nazism during WW2, like the Serbs and Russians? Much more Serbs and Russians died during WW2 than Western people. England and the US were not invaded by Nazis, in contrast to Serbia and Russia.
If it is true that so many Serbs and Russians died during the Nazi period, than it is logical to assume that those nations contributed the most.
Polish resitence maybe?
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Yes also the Polish! You see many Slavic people died in Nazi occupied Europe!
The Nazi policy included also the extermination of white Slavs...
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Which of the Allies do you think contributed most to the WWII victory?
Hitler
I say this because of the string of catestrophic blunders he made in conducting the war set Germany up for a major defeat. Because of the mistakes he made he inadvertenly ended up becoming our greatest ally in WWII
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who won world war 2? pretty the muslims,after the war the liberals took over the western war so basically we replaced hitler type nazism with liberal and musulman nazism.
Yes, muslamics snatched the baton from the hands of the dead nazi and under the roaring cheers of the liberal crowds, started running speedily in the final lap of the relay race. That is why WWIII has been already named.
this is why wold war 3 and 4 has been named,the first will be agianst the muslim world and the second against the negroes and commies/liberlas.i very pessimistic about the our chances about the liberla/commie and negore threats but i hope it will turn in the best way.
From what do you come to this conclusion? Most Jewish belief is that there will be one final battle against all evil in the world and all those who are against Israel will be destroyed. The righteous of the nations will survive this final battle...
i came to this conclusion from watching and nalaysing the situation as best as i can.firs we will need to fight the muslims among us and in greater arabia (the oic).then the commies will decide we are too strong and bum! we will have a clash of civilization never seen before and we will probably need to employ massive nuclear attacks in order to defeat the commies in china and pakistan.and for syyuge.do you know something that we don't?
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Yes also the Polish! You see many Slavic people died in Nazi occupied Europe!
The Nazi policy included also the extermination of white Slavs...
and that exactly the reason why we need a strong russia along with a greater serbia.they could balance the power the muslim nazi terrorist inferior scum obamba (spelling mistake on purpose) have on europe.
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QUOTE>> and for syyuge.do you know something that we don't? <<UNQUOTE
Oh no, never again...
Only G_d knows everything exactly.
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so who is the three nations and half that will support us? my guess is great britain,germany,micronesia and the sua white but i don't pretend to know.
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and that exactly the reason why we need a strong russia along with a greater serbia.they could balance the power the muslim nazi terrorist inferior scum obamba (spelling mistake on purpose) have on europe.
Serbia and Russia defended Europe from invaders, centuries long! The Russians and the Serbs protected Europe from the invaders from Asia, the Turks ect. They did the same during WW2.
Strong Serbia and strong Russia means a stable world ;)
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so who is the three nations and half that will support us? my guess is great britain,germany,micronesia and the sua white but i don't pretend to know.
Well I have no need to pretend, but I am only guessing based upon various broad studies. However it may look to be impossible as on today and only future if any can judge it correctly.
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and that exactly the reason why we need a strong russia along with a greater serbia.they could balance the power the muslim nazi terrorist inferior scum obamba (spelling mistake on purpose) have on europe.
Serbia and Russia defended Europe from invaders, centuries long! The Russians and the Serbs protected Europe from the invaders from Asia, the Turks ect. They did the same during WW2.
Strong Serbia and strong Russia means a stable world ;)
Sacred but surrounded Israel shall be at the center stage. Then well, you get good marks for naming the one and half nations i.e. beaten Russia and half Serbia.
The other two impossible looking nations shall be the tiny Sri Lanka and humble India.
At present there are no proper connections between them, but G_d willing the situations may take dramatic turns and they will be sufficient.
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Sacred but surrounded Israel shall be at the center stage.
What do you mean with that?
Then well, you get good marks for naming the one and half nations i.e. beaten Russia and half Serbia.
Russia will be restored one day and Serbia will also retake its territories..
I hope so!
:)
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Sacred but surrounded Israel shall be at the center stage.
What do you mean with that?
Then well, you get good marks for naming the one and half nations i.e. beaten Russia and half Serbia.
Russia will be restored one day and Serbia will also retake its territories..
I hope so!
:)
he mean that in third and osssibly fourth world wars israel would play a central part in the war or possibly get invaded or nuked.i belive that in the european theatre of the warserbia will bve invaded by albania and the kosovars and russia will retake the territory it had lost in 1991 (it is good that the commies went down but why the hell did they torn russia to tears?).after the new world order i don't pretend to know but i guess from what i see in the world event and reading here that china and russia or the united states will emerge as superpower with greater serbia,israel and most of eastern europe and maybe even france will be allied with russia.the chinese will start a fourth world war this time using nuclear weapons with north korea and pakistan as puppets.if we will win that war who knows? maybe at last a world government would emerge with autonomy to every memebr states and greater finance fore the new frontiers like colonisation of anatrctica and the ocean floor and maybe even space habitats.
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Sacred but surrounded Israel shall be at the center stage.
What do you mean with that?
G_d bless Israel the sacred nation is physically surrounded by its worst enemies and those enemies are mostly loved by the world for one reason or the other. Tell me which single nation loves Israel by heart. For further understanding this, you may have to refer to ancient sacred scriptures.
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Then well, you get good marks for naming the one and half nations i.e. beaten Russia and half Serbia.
Russia will be restored one day and Serbia will also retake its territories..
I hope so!
:)
I too hope so!!
Russia has been beaten to a pulp by muslamic terrorists and ditched by its own leaders during the transition. Now it is getting compressed under its own vodka.
I need not to tell about Serbia except that they are very honest peoples in Europe and that they have reached to their present situation only due to this attribute.
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Yes, The Russians definitely turned the tide, and if they had been invaded before Germany was crushed, it might have been a different outcome. The US and the Allies were also very united like never before to Defeat Hitler and his Nazis.
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Yes, The Russians definitely turned the tide, and if they had been invaded before Germany was crushed, it might have been a different outcome. The US and the Allies were also very united like never before to Defeat Hitler and his Nazis.
they weren't united at all,they spied on each other from the at least 1941.that's how the sovietds got their atomic bombs.