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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ben m on May 14, 2010, 11:17:15 AM
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what do you think about this?
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The English Defence League, Yes ( I wouldn't swear to it, but I think so). The BNP--no
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what about ukip??i might even join the party...
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yes, Hindu Nationalist... others i dont know much
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Generally not. However under special circumstances only those righteous organisations can be made friends who completely agree to Jewish Orthodox view point as applicable to Greater Israel.
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I assume, by rightists, you are saying, far right? and not righteous.
THe answer to this is simple, absolutely if they are righteous, and absolutely not if they are the European paleo-nationalist socialist nazi morons.
So, we are all 100% supporting Geert and the people dutch party. We cannot say enough about that great guy.
however, all the fossil nazi moron fascist idiots of the last generation, such as le Pen and the likes, deserve nothing but contempt. There are those who have become pro-Israel and Pro-Zionist but had an anti-ISrael past as recently as 15-20 years ago. We will not ally with them, unless we can see that their organization can continue a pro-Israel stance and its not just a marketing campaign to get votes from the Righteous.
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what about ukip??i might even join the party...
i never heard of ukip but from my point of view: if they are rightists i would gladly ally with them.
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I assume, by rightists, you are saying, far right? and not righteous.
THe answer to this is simple, absolutely if they are righteous, and absolutely not if they are the European paleo-nationalist socialist nazi morons.
So, we are all 100% supporting Geert and the people dutch party. We cannot say enough about that great guy.
however, all the fossil nazi moron fascist idiots of the last generation, such as le Pen and the likes, deserve nothing but contempt. There are those who have become pro-Israel and Pro-Zionist but had an anti-ISrael past as recently as 15-20 years ago. We will not ally with them, unless we can see that their organization can continue a pro-Israel stance and its not just a marketing campaign to get votes from the Righteous.
well of course i meat far right organisation.i don't want to ally with other nations versions of the likud.now for the parties themselves.i think that if they were anti israel until ten or fifteen years ago and then changed their view and still keeping pro israeli views today it is mean they don't do this for marketing purpose beacuse the israeli government abandoned them.
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by the way.do you have suggestion for a far right movement we could ally with? (i suggest that we will first try the pvv and the edl).
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yes, Hindu Nationalist... others i dont know much
what are the stance of hindu nationalists regarding israel?
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How exactly would you envision productively working together with a party like the PVV or, since you're an Israeli, how do you productively benefit HaYamin HaAmiti at this moment?
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How exactly would you envision productively working together with a party like the PVV or, since you're an Israeli, how do you productively benefit HaYamin HaAmiti at this moment?
i am envisioning a productive work in the fields of propganda and information,demonstration,political education and ideological influence.
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How exactly would you envision productively working together with a party like the PVV or, since you're an Israeli, how do you productively benefit HaYamin HaAmiti at this moment?
i am envisioning a productive work in the fields of propganda and information,demonstration,political education and ideological influence.
Maybe you can be the next Goebbels... You know he was Hitlers minister of Propaganda...
Paul Joseph Goebbels (pronounced /ˈɡɜrbəlz/, German: [ˈɡœbəls]; 29 October 1897 – 1 May 1945) was a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945. As one of German dictator Adolf Hitler's closest associates and most devout followers, he was known for his zealous oratory and anti-Semitism. He was the chief architect of the Kristallnacht attack on the German Jews, which historians consider to be the beginning of the Final Solution, leading towards the genocide of the Holocaust.
http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html
Maybe this can be useful to you:
In 1925 Goebbels met the party leader Adolf Hitler. In 1926 he was made Gauleiter, or party leader, for the region of Berlin, and in 1927 he founded and became editor of the official National Socialist periodical Der Angriff (The Attack). He was elected to the Reichstag, the German parliament, in 1928. By exploiting mob emotions and by employing all modern methods of propaganda Goebbels helped Hitler into power.
His work as a propagandist materially aided Hitler's rise to power in 1933. When Hitler seized power in 1933, Goebbels was appointed Reichsminister for propaganda and national enlightenment. From then until his death, Goebbels used all media of education and communications to further Nazi propagandistic aims, instilling in the Germans the concept of their leader as a veritable G-d and of their destiny as the rulers of the world. In 1938 he became a member of the Hitler cabinet council. Late in World War II, in 1944, Hitler placed him in charge of total mobilization.
As Reichsminister for Propaganda and National Enlightenment, Goebbels was given complete control over radio, press, cinema, and theater; later he also regimented all German culture. Goebbels placed his undeniable intelligence and his brilliant insight into mass psychology entirely at the service of his party. His most virulent propaganda was against the Jews. As a hypnotic orator he was second only to Hitler, and in his staging of mass meetings and parades he was unsurpassed. Utterly cynical, he seems to have believed only in the self-justification of power. He remained loyal to Hitler until the end. On May 1, 1945, as Soviet troops were storming Berlin, Goebbels committed suicide.
Listed below are the principles purported to summarize what made Goebbels tick or fail to tick. They may be thought of as his intellectual legacy. Whether the legacy has been reliably deduced is a methodological question. Whether it is valid is a psychological matter. Whether or when parts of it should be utilized in a democratic society are profound and disturbing problems of a political and ethical nature.
GOEBBELS' PRINCIPLES OF PROPAGANDA
Based upon Goebbels' Principles of Propaganda by Leonard W. Doob, published in Public Opinion and Propaganda; A Book of Readings edited for The Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues.
1. Propagandist must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion.
2. Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.
a. It must issue all the propaganda directives.
b. It must explain propaganda directives to important officials and maintain their morale.
c. It must oversee other agencies' activities which have propaganda consequences
3. The propaganda consequences of an action must be considered in planning that action.
4. Propaganda must affect the enemy's policy and action.
a. By suppressing propagandistically desirable material which can provide the enemy with useful intelligence
b. By openly disseminating propaganda whose content or tone causes the enemy to draw the desired conclusions
c. By goading the enemy into revealing vital information about himself
d. By making no reference to a desired enemy activity when any reference would discredit that activity
5. Declassified, operational information must be available to implement a propaganda campaign
6. To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium.
7. Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.
8. The purpose, content and effectiveness of enemy propaganda; the strength and effects of an expose; and the nature of current propaganda campaigns determine whether enemy propaganda should be ignored or refuted.
9. Credibility, intelligence, and the possible effects of communicating determine whether propaganda materials should be censored.
10. Material from enemy propaganda may be utilized in operations when it helps diminish that enemy's prestige or lends support to the propagandist's own objective.
11. Black rather than white propaganda may be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects.
12. Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.
13. Propaganda must be carefully timed.
a. The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.
b. A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment
c. A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness
14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
a. They must evoke desired responses which the audience previously possesses
b. They must be capable of being easily learned
c. They must be utilized again and again, but only in appropriate situations
d. They must be boomerang-proof
15. Propaganda to the home front must prevent the raising of false hopes which can be blasted by future events.
16. Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.
a. Propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequences of defeat
b. Propaganda must diminish anxiety (other than concerning the consequences of defeat) which is too high and which cannot be reduced by people themselves
17. Propaganda to the home front must diminish the impact of frustration.
a. Inevitable frustrations must be anticipated
b. Inevitable frustrations must be placed in perspective
18. Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.
19. Propaganda cannot immediately affect strong counter-tendencies; instead it must offer some form of action or diversion, or both.
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I think JTF has an alliance with Pastor Manning
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I think JTF has an alliance with Pastor Manning
who is pastor manning?
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How exactly would you envision productively working together with a party like the PVV or, since you're an Israeli, how do you productively benefit HaYamin HaAmiti at this moment?
i am envisioning a productive work in the fields of propganda and information,demonstration,political education and ideological influence.
Maybe you can be the next Goebbels... You know he was Hitlers minister of Propaganda...
Paul Joseph Goebbels (pronounced /ˈɡɜrbəlz/, German: [ˈɡœbəls]; 29 October 1897 – 1 May 1945) was a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945. As one of German dictator Adolf Hitler's closest associates and most devout followers, he was known for his zealous oratory and anti-Semitism. He was the chief architect of the Kristallnacht attack on the German Jews, which historians consider to be the beginning of the Final Solution, leading towards the genocide of the Holocaust.
http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html
Maybe this can be useful to you:
In 1925 Goebbels met the party leader Adolf Hitler. In 1926 he was made Gauleiter, or party leader, for the region of Berlin, and in 1927 he founded and became editor of the official National Socialist periodical Der Angriff (The Attack). He was elected to the Reichstag, the German parliament, in 1928. By exploiting mob emotions and by employing all modern methods of propaganda Goebbels helped Hitler into power.
His work as a propagandist materially aided Hitler's rise to power in 1933. When Hitler seized power in 1933, Goebbels was appointed Reichsminister for propaganda and national enlightenment. From then until his death, Goebbels used all media of education and communications to further Nazi propagandistic aims, instilling in the Germans the concept of their leader as a veritable G-d and of their destiny as the rulers of the world. In 1938 he became a member of the Hitler cabinet council. Late in World War II, in 1944, Hitler placed him in charge of total mobilization.
As Reichsminister for Propaganda and National Enlightenment, Goebbels was given complete control over radio, press, cinema, and theater; later he also regimented all German culture. Goebbels placed his undeniable intelligence and his brilliant insight into mass psychology entirely at the service of his party. His most virulent propaganda was against the Jews. As a hypnotic orator he was second only to Hitler, and in his staging of mass meetings and parades he was unsurpassed. Utterly cynical, he seems to have believed only in the self-justification of power. He remained loyal to Hitler until the end. On May 1, 1945, as Soviet troops were storming Berlin, Goebbels committed suicide.
Listed below are the principles purported to summarize what made Goebbels tick or fail to tick. They may be thought of as his intellectual legacy. Whether the legacy has been reliably deduced is a methodological question. Whether it is valid is a psychological matter. Whether or when parts of it should be utilized in a democratic society are profound and disturbing problems of a political and ethical nature.
GOEBBELS' PRINCIPLES OF PROPAGANDA
Based upon Goebbels' Principles of Propaganda by Leonard W. Doob, published in Public Opinion and Propaganda; A Book of Readings edited for The Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues.
1. Propagandist must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion.
2. Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.
a. It must issue all the propaganda directives.
b. It must explain propaganda directives to important officials and maintain their morale.
c. It must oversee other agencies' activities which have propaganda consequences
3. The propaganda consequences of an action must be considered in planning that action.
4. Propaganda must affect the enemy's policy and action.
a. By suppressing propagandistically desirable material which can provide the enemy with useful intelligence
b. By openly disseminating propaganda whose content or tone causes the enemy to draw the desired conclusions
c. By goading the enemy into revealing vital information about himself
d. By making no reference to a desired enemy activity when any reference would discredit that activity
5. Declassified, operational information must be available to implement a propaganda campaign
6. To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium.
7. Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.
8. The purpose, content and effectiveness of enemy propaganda; the strength and effects of an expose; and the nature of current propaganda campaigns determine whether enemy propaganda should be ignored or refuted.
9. Credibility, intelligence, and the possible effects of communicating determine whether propaganda materials should be censored.
10. Material from enemy propaganda may be utilized in operations when it helps diminish that enemy's prestige or lends support to the propagandist's own objective.
11. Black rather than white propaganda may be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects.
12. Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.
13. Propaganda must be carefully timed.
a. The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.
b. A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment
c. A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness
14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
a. They must evoke desired responses which the audience previously possesses
b. They must be capable of being easily learned
c. They must be utilized again and again, but only in appropriate situations
d. They must be boomerang-proof
15. Propaganda to the home front must prevent the raising of false hopes which can be blasted by future events.
16. Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.
a. Propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequences of defeat
b. Propaganda must diminish anxiety (other than concerning the consequences of defeat) which is too high and which cannot be reduced by people themselves
17. Propaganda to the home front must diminish the impact of frustration.
a. Inevitable frustrations must be anticipated
b. Inevitable frustrations must be placed in perspective
18. Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.
19. Propaganda cannot immediately affect strong counter-tendencies; instead it must offer some form of action or diversion, or both.
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you see? we can always adapt his methods to enlighteen the people about the muslim question.
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No one except for Bnei Noach, and such alliance also has limits.
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How exactly would you envision productively working together with a party like the PVV or, since you're an Israeli, how do you productively benefit HaYamin HaAmiti at this moment?
i am envisioning a productive work in the fields of propganda and information,demonstration,political education and ideological influence.
Maybe you can be the next Goebbels... You know he was Hitlers minister of Propaganda...
Paul Joseph Goebbels (pronounced /ˈɡɜrbəlz/, German: [ˈɡœbəls]; 29 October 1897 – 1 May 1945) was a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945. As one of German dictator Adolf Hitler's closest associates and most devout followers, he was known for his zealous oratory and anti-Semitism. He was the chief architect of the Kristallnacht attack on the German Jews, which historians consider to be the beginning of the Final Solution, leading towards the genocide of the Holocaust.
http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html
Maybe this can be useful to you:
In 1925 Goebbels met the party leader Adolf Hitler. In 1926 he was made Gauleiter, or party leader, for the region of Berlin, and in 1927 he founded and became editor of the official National Socialist periodical Der Angriff (The Attack). He was elected to the Reichstag, the German parliament, in 1928. By exploiting mob emotions and by employing all modern methods of propaganda Goebbels helped Hitler into power.
His work as a propagandist materially aided Hitler's rise to power in 1933. When Hitler seized power in 1933, Goebbels was appointed Reichsminister for propaganda and national enlightenment. From then until his death, Goebbels used all media of education and communications to further Nazi propagandistic aims, instilling in the Germans the concept of their leader as a veritable G-d and of their destiny as the rulers of the world. In 1938 he became a member of the Hitler cabinet council. Late in World War II, in 1944, Hitler placed him in charge of total mobilization.
As Reichsminister for Propaganda and National Enlightenment, Goebbels was given complete control over radio, press, cinema, and theater; later he also regimented all German culture. Goebbels placed his undeniable intelligence and his brilliant insight into mass psychology entirely at the service of his party. His most virulent propaganda was against the Jews. As a hypnotic orator he was second only to Hitler, and in his staging of mass meetings and parades he was unsurpassed. Utterly cynical, he seems to have believed only in the self-justification of power. He remained loyal to Hitler until the end. On May 1, 1945, as Soviet troops were storming Berlin, Goebbels committed suicide.
Listed below are the principles purported to summarize what made Goebbels tick or fail to tick. They may be thought of as his intellectual legacy. Whether the legacy has been reliably deduced is a methodological question. Whether it is valid is a psychological matter. Whether or when parts of it should be utilized in a democratic society are profound and disturbing problems of a political and ethical nature.
GOEBBELS' PRINCIPLES OF PROPAGANDA
Based upon Goebbels' Principles of Propaganda by Leonard W. Doob, published in Public Opinion and Propaganda; A Book of Readings edited for The Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues.
1. Propagandist must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion.
2. Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.
a. It must issue all the propaganda directives.
b. It must explain propaganda directives to important officials and maintain their morale.
c. It must oversee other agencies' activities which have propaganda consequences
3. The propaganda consequences of an action must be considered in planning that action.
4. Propaganda must affect the enemy's policy and action.
a. By suppressing propagandistically desirable material which can provide the enemy with useful intelligence
b. By openly disseminating propaganda whose content or tone causes the enemy to draw the desired conclusions
c. By goading the enemy into revealing vital information about himself
d. By making no reference to a desired enemy activity when any reference would discredit that activity
5. Declassified, operational information must be available to implement a propaganda campaign
6. To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium.
7. Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.
8. The purpose, content and effectiveness of enemy propaganda; the strength and effects of an expose; and the nature of current propaganda campaigns determine whether enemy propaganda should be ignored or refuted.
9. Credibility, intelligence, and the possible effects of communicating determine whether propaganda materials should be censored.
10. Material from enemy propaganda may be utilized in operations when it helps diminish that enemy's prestige or lends support to the propagandist's own objective.
11. Black rather than white propaganda may be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects.
12. Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.
13. Propaganda must be carefully timed.
a. The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.
b. A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment
c. A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness
14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
a. They must evoke desired responses which the audience previously possesses
b. They must be capable of being easily learned
c. They must be utilized again and again, but only in appropriate situations
d. They must be boomerang-proof
15. Propaganda to the home front must prevent the raising of false hopes which can be blasted by future events.
16. Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.
a. Propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequences of defeat
b. Propaganda must diminish anxiety (other than concerning the consequences of defeat) which is too high and which cannot be reduced by people themselves
17. Propaganda to the home front must diminish the impact of frustration.
a. Inevitable frustrations must be anticipated
b. Inevitable frustrations must be placed in perspective
18. Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.
19. Propaganda cannot immediately affect strong counter-tendencies; instead it must offer some form of action or diversion, or both.
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you see? we can always adapt his methods to enlighteen the people about the muslim question.
Goebbels was able to put principals like his into action because he had the full backing of the people in power to do it..... While I think its important to understand what made Goebbels tick I really don't think he is someone to be emulated. Some years back I found an old book in a yard sale called The Goebbels Diaries after reading it I came to the conclusion that this guy was one of the sickest birds in the Nazi cage. To some extent early on I think he may have even instigated Hitler to greater levels of stupidity and evil then he may have reached on his own. While some of his methods might have been effective in communicating with the masses I really would not want to look towards him for any guidance. If you can read Goebbels diary and still come back here and tell us that Goebbels and his methods are something we should consider using I think your wasting time here on a Jewish forum. At that point your either pulling our leg or trolling the form to make problems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_Diaries
http://www.amazon.com/Goebbels-Diaries-1942-1943-Joseph/dp/0837138159
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Pastor manning is a righteous BLACK minister.
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No one except for Bnei Noach, and such alliance also has limits.
alliance maybe the wrong word, there is nothing wrong in having bilateral relationship. Read what the Chief Rabbinate of Israel has to say about there relations with Hindus..
" In keeping with the Delhi declaration, the participants reaffirmed their commitment to
deepening this bilateral relationship predicated on the recognition of One Supreme Being, Creator and Guide of the Cosmos; shared values; and similar historical experiences. The parties are committed to learning about one another on the basis of respect for the
particular identities of their respective communities and seeking, through their bilateral relationship, to be a blessing to all."
"It is recognized that the One Supreme Being, both in its formless and manifest aspects,
has been worshipped by Hindus over the millennia. This does not mean that Hindus
worship ‘gods’ and idols’. The Hindu relates to only the One Supreme Being when
he/she prays to a particular manifestation."
Having ties with Hindu Nationalists should be of no problem, since Hindu nationalists do not focus on Hinduism much, rather unity of Hindus as a political force for national integrity and security.
Read: Hindu Nationalism: What's Religion Got to Do With It?
http://www.apcss.org/Publications/Ocasional%20Papers/OPHinduNationalism.pdf
Also Israel has had trade relationship with India since the days of King Solomon..
anyways, with all said, the same cannot be said of other right wing orgs around the world.
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HZ, if you look carefully, the question of the thread is whether we should ally ourselves with other orgs, not trade nor arm.
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okay'i wiil propose this to chaim.
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I think JTF has an alliance with Pastor Manning
who is pastor manning?
He's a smart Christian man with a ministry to the black community of Harlem (which he calls Atlah), and videos and a radio program which reach a greater audience. He promotes a healthier culture for blacks and opposes the evils of Obama. He also says things that are relevant to people of all races.
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בס''ד
I voted "yes" but I would only support such a relationship if the organization is pro-Israel or willing to become pro-Israel.
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בס''ד
I voted "yes" but I would only support such a relationship if the organization is pro-Israel or willing to become pro-Israel.
thank you chaim for your enlightening post.this is the answer to all the opposition here.
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בס''ד
I voted "yes" but I would only support such a relationship if the organization is pro-Israel or willing to become pro-Israel.
thank you chaim for your enlightening post.this is the answer to all the opposition here.
That was a no-brainer answer... Also what opposition here are you talking about?
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בס''ד
I voted "yes" but I would only support such a relationship if the organization is pro-Israel or willing to become pro-Israel.
Chaim,
I am sure you would not support any group which claims to be pro-Israel yet still harbors Nazis and antisemites in positions of authority... Would you?
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בס''ד
I voted "yes" but I would only support such a relationship if the organization is pro-Israel or willing to become pro-Israel.
Chaim,
I am sure you would not support any group which claims to be pro-Israel yet still harbors Nazis and antisemites in positions of authority... Would you?
pvv is antisemite? the edl is antisemite? the danish people's party is antisemite? where are you living? maybe in fantasy universe?
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You're an Israeli. What is your involvement with HaYamin HaAmiti?
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בס''ד
I voted "yes" but I would only support such a relationship if the organization is pro-Israel or willing to become pro-Israel.
Chaim,
I am sure you would not support any group which claims to be pro-Israel yet still harbors Nazis and antisemites in positions of authority... Would you?
pvv is antisemite? the edl is antisemite? the danish people's party is antisemite? where are you living? maybe in fantasy universe?
My little normal atheist friend... You have made the mistake of implying things which I did not write. I never said any of those parties were antisemitic. I simply asked a question that would qualify what he wrote. There are parties and peoples who go around saying that they are supportive of the Jewish state and yet they still allow people who voice anti-Jewish sentiment into the parties. It would be naive to believe everyone at face value, especially those who in the past have burned you.
So I would not be so combative against me if I were you. You have a propensity to say things which are off the cuff and without legitimacy, so please re-evaluate what you are saying to me. You are the one who seems to create fantasy universes.
You sound like you need a vacation...
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You're an Israeli. What is your involvement with HaYamin HaAmiti?
my involvment in the israeli forum is posting and debating with members on the msn.if you want to check my nickname there is bat yami (in hebrew).
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בס''ד
I voted "yes" but I would only support such a relationship if the organization is pro-Israel or willing to become pro-Israel.
Chaim,
I am sure you would not support any group which claims to be pro-Israel yet still harbors Nazis and antisemites in positions of authority... Would you?
pvv is antisemite? the edl is antisemite? the danish people's party is antisemite? where are you living? maybe in fantasy universe?
My little normal atheist friend... You have made the mistake of implying things which I did not write. I never said any of those parties were antisemitic. I simply asked a question that would qualify what he wrote. There are parties and peoples who go around saying that they are supportive of the Jewish state and yet they still allow people who voice anti-Jewish sentiment into the parties. It would be naive to believe everyone at face value, especially those who in the past have burned you.
So I would not be so combative against me if I were you. You have a propensity to say things which are off the cuff and without legitimacy, so please re-evaluate what you are saying to me. You are the one who seems to create fantasy universes.
You sound like you need a vacation...
if you wrote that post it is mean that you didn't understand the qyestion on hand.we don't talking about parties with antisemitic past like the front national of the npd but on parties like the bnp'the pv and ukip.
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if you wrote that post it is mean that you didn't understand the qyestion on hand.we don't talking about parties with antisemitic past like the front national of the npd but on parties like the bnp'the pv and ukip.
BNP is totally out of the question - for reasons you have already been told.
I support UKIP as the best party in the UK at the moment, but that doesn't say much. They are libertarian and anti-EU which is enough for me; they are along with the Tories fairly pro-Israel, but UKIP doesn't really care about Zionism, their policy - "UKIP supports the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state. UKIP rejects calls for Israel to be punished for defending itself from attack." Good so far... oh, but then they go and spoil it all... "Yet UKIP calls on Israel to continue to ensure its military actions remain proportionate and to pursue a political solution to a political problem. " Essentially, we generally support Israel, but we are not that concerned and will criticise her whenever she defends herself in an attempt to pacify screaming anti-Semites because throwing Israel under the bus makes our lives a little easier in the short-term.
I don't see how JTF could ally with any other political party, few parties are that sufficiently interested in Israel. They are Zionist, they support Israel, but their main focus is on their own national issues. They could conceivably work together against Islam, but I am not sure about the presence of JTF in Europe which has the biggest Muslim problem.
Also, I am not sure many parties would want to ally themselves with JTF due to the pressure from the liberal media and opposition parties who would instantly accuse them of allying with Kachists, a banned group, classed as terrorists by the government.
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I came across certain right wing/conservative American sites, who are anti-muslims, anti-obama, pro-Israel yet i feel JTF must be careful in choosing such allies, and not jump quickly on subjective grounds.
Here is the site:
http://www.rightsidenews.com
American/ Christian Gentile members of JTF might be using these sites for updates. But the thing to note is that these sources have problems with Ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Heredims who counter the missionaries. They also support the Messianic jews. And of course they have problems with Hindu nationalists too. http://www.rightsidenews.com/201004239703/global-terrorism/messianic-jews-in-israel-seek-public-apology-for-attack.html
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010052410311/global-terrorism/hindu-nationalists-plan-religious-cleansing-in-madhya-pradesh-district.html
although they may have a pro-israel stand, it may not be pro-jew.
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I came across certain right wing/conservative American sites, who are anti-muslims, anti-obama, pro-Israel yet i feel JTF must be careful in choosing such allies, and not jump quickly on subjective grounds.
Here is the site:
http://www.rightsidenews.com
American/ Christian Gentile members of JTF might be using these sites for updates. But the thing to note is that these sources have problems with Ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Heredims who counter the missionaries. They also support the Messianic jews. And of course they have problems with Hindu nationalists too. http://www.rightsidenews.com/201004239703/global-terrorism/messianic-jews-in-israel-seek-public-apology-for-attack.html
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010052410311/global-terrorism/hindu-nationalists-plan-religious-cleansing-in-madhya-pradesh-district.html
although they may have a pro-israel stand, it may not be pro-jew.
Their not rightous if they are missionaries.
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I came across certain right wing/conservative American sites, who are anti-muslims, anti-obama, pro-Israel yet i feel JTF must be careful in choosing such allies, and not jump quickly on subjective grounds.
Here is the site:
http://www.rightsidenews.com
American/ Christian Gentile members of JTF might be using these sites for updates. But the thing to note is that these sources have problems with Ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Heredims who counter the missionaries. They also support the Messianic jews. And of course they have problems with Hindu nationalists too. http://www.rightsidenews.com/201004239703/global-terrorism/messianic-jews-in-israel-seek-public-apology-for-attack.html
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010052410311/global-terrorism/hindu-nationalists-plan-religious-cleansing-in-madhya-pradesh-district.html
although they may have a pro-israel stand, it may not be pro-jew.
Their not rightous if they are missionaries.
And what is it that you have against freedom of speech and freedom of religion? I hate to inform you of this but Christianity was considered a Jewish Sect until well after the Jerusalem was trashed by the Romans. In fact, well after Bar Kokhba revolt.
PS;
I don't consider Islam to be a valid reliogion. I consider Islam to be a Satanic death cult.
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I came across certain right wing/conservative American sites, who are anti-muslims, anti-obama, pro-Israel yet i feel JTF must be careful in choosing such allies, and not jump quickly on subjective grounds.
Here is the site:
http://www.rightsidenews.com
American/ Christian Gentile members of JTF might be using these sites for updates. But the thing to note is that these sources have problems with Ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Heredims who counter the missionaries. They also support the Messianic jews. And of course they have problems with Hindu nationalists too. http://www.rightsidenews.com/201004239703/global-terrorism/messianic-jews-in-israel-seek-public-apology-for-attack.html
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010052410311/global-terrorism/hindu-nationalists-plan-religious-cleansing-in-madhya-pradesh-district.html
although they may have a pro-israel stand, it may not be pro-jew.
Their not rightous if they are missionaries.
And what is it that you have against freedom of speech and freedom of religion? I hate to inform you of this but Christianity was considered a Jewish Sect until well after the Jerusalem was trashed by the Romans. In fact, well after Bar Kokhba revolt.
PS;
I don't consider Islam to be a valid reliogion. I consider Islam to be a Satanic death cult.
I agree with every word you say. Islam has to go.
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I came across certain right wing/conservative American sites, who are anti-muslims, anti-obama, pro-Israel yet i feel JTF must be careful in choosing such allies, and not jump quickly on subjective grounds.
Here is the site:
http://www.rightsidenews.com
American/ Christian Gentile members of JTF might be using these sites for updates. But the thing to note is that these sources have problems with Ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Heredims who counter the missionaries. They also support the Messianic jews. And of course they have problems with Hindu nationalists too. http://www.rightsidenews.com/201004239703/global-terrorism/messianic-jews-in-israel-seek-public-apology-for-attack.html
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010052410311/global-terrorism/hindu-nationalists-plan-religious-cleansing-in-madhya-pradesh-district.html
although they may have a pro-israel stand, it may not be pro-jew.
Their not rightous if they are missionaries.
And what is it that you have against freedom of speech and freedom of religion? I hate to inform you of this but Christianity was considered a Jewish Sect until well after the Jerusalem was trashed by the Romans. In fact, well after Bar Kokhba revolt.
Christianity has no contact to Judaism as it's rather a version of a hypocrite and a heretic named Jesus.
I'm sorry but missionary is a crime against the Jewish people and is forbidden in this forum, and shouldn't be supported.
By this logic, you'll have nothing to say against Muslim missionaries.
EDIT: Ron, you know that I love you like a brother, but I think it's in our best interest to not offend our Christian members.
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I came across certain right wing/conservative American sites, who are anti-muslims, anti-obama, pro-Israel yet i feel JTF must be careful in choosing such allies, and not jump quickly on subjective grounds.
Here is the site:
http://www.rightsidenews.com
American/ Christian Gentile members of JTF might be using these sites for updates. But the thing to note is that these sources have problems with Ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Heredims who counter the missionaries. They also support the Messianic jews. And of course they have problems with Hindu nationalists too. http://www.rightsidenews.com/201004239703/global-terrorism/messianic-jews-in-israel-seek-public-apology-for-attack.html
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010052410311/global-terrorism/hindu-nationalists-plan-religious-cleansing-in-madhya-pradesh-district.html
although they may have a pro-israel stand, it may not be pro-jew.
Their not rightous if they are missionaries.
And what is it that you have against freedom of speech and freedom of religion? I hate to inform you of this but Christianity was considered a Jewish Sect until well after the Jerusalem was trashed by the Romans. In fact, well after Bar Kokhba revolt.
PS;
I don't consider Islam to be a valid reliogion. I consider Islam to be a Satanic death cult.
בס''ד
We work with many Christians, especially evangelicals.
But missionaries who try to convert Jews are our sworn enemies. Those who try to steal Jewish souls are not sincere friends to say the least.
Any Jew who converts is a traitor to the Jewish people and will have no place in the next world.
Again, we want Jews and Christians to work together to save America, Israel and Western civilization from both Islam and from the secular "humanist" left. But if someone attempts to convert our brothers and sisters, that is a frontal attack upon our people and our faith.
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if you want to check my nickname there is bat yami (in hebrew).
Anybody can give themselves a Hebrew nickname.
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I came across certain right wing/conservative American sites, who are anti-muslims, anti-obama, pro-Israel yet i feel JTF must be careful in choosing such allies, and not jump quickly on subjective grounds.
Here is the site:
http://www.rightsidenews.com
American/ Christian Gentile members of JTF might be using these sites for updates. But the thing to note is that these sources have problems with Ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Heredims who counter the missionaries. They also support the Messianic jews. And of course they have problems with Hindu nationalists too. http://www.rightsidenews.com/201004239703/global-terrorism/messianic-jews-in-israel-seek-public-apology-for-attack.html
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010052410311/global-terrorism/hindu-nationalists-plan-religious-cleansing-in-madhya-pradesh-district.html
although they may have a pro-israel stand, it may not be pro-jew.
Their not rightous if they are missionaries.
And what is it that you have against freedom of speech and freedom of religion? I hate to inform you of this but Christianity was considered a Jewish Sect until well after the Jerusalem was trashed by the Romans. In fact, well after Bar Kokhba revolt.
PS;
I don't consider Islam to be a valid reliogion. I consider Islam to be a Satanic death cult.
בס''ד
We work with many Christians, especially evangelicals.
But missionaries who try to convert Jews are our sworn enemies. Those who try to steal Jewish souls are not sincere friends to say the least.
Any Jew who converts is a traitor to the Jewish people and will have no place in the next world.
Again, we want Jews and Christians to work together to save America, Israel and Western civilization from both Islam and from the secular "humanist" left. But if someone attempts to convert our brothers and sisters, that is a frontal attack upon our people and our faith.
God Bless you Chaim, I'm not Jewish and I agree with you wholeheartedly. If I EVER saw a missionary trying to convert a Jew, I would punch them in the nose! That is my biggest pet peeve..........someone trying to PUSH their religion onto others.
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I came across certain right wing/conservative American sites, who are anti-muslims, anti-obama, pro-Israel yet i feel JTF must be careful in choosing such allies, and not jump quickly on subjective grounds.
Here is the site:
http://www.rightsidenews.com
American/ Christian Gentile members of JTF might be using these sites for updates. But the thing to note is that these sources have problems with Ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Heredims who counter the missionaries. They also support the Messianic jews. And of course they have problems with Hindu nationalists too. http://www.rightsidenews.com/201004239703/global-terrorism/messianic-jews-in-israel-seek-public-apology-for-attack.html
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010052410311/global-terrorism/hindu-nationalists-plan-religious-cleansing-in-madhya-pradesh-district.html
although they may have a pro-israel stand, it may not be pro-jew.
Their not rightous if they are missionaries.
And what is it that you have against freedom of speech and freedom of religion? I hate to inform you of this but Christianity was considered a Jewish Sect until well after the Jerusalem was trashed by the Romans. In fact, well after Bar Kokhba revolt.
PS;
I don't consider Islam to be a valid reliogion. I consider Islam to be a Satanic death cult.
בס''ד
We work with many Christians, especially evangelicals.
But missionaries who try to convert Jews are our sworn enemies. Those who try to steal Jewish souls are not sincere friends to say the least.
Any Jew who converts is a traitor to the Jewish people and will have no place in the next world.
Again, we want Jews and Christians to work together to save America, Israel and Western civilization from both Islam and from the secular "humanist" left. But if someone attempts to convert our brothers and sisters, that is a frontal attack upon our people and our faith.
Chaim;
As you probably know, most evangelicals do love Jews and Israel. I did not come in here to convert anyone or try to force my Religious beliefs on anyone, nor would most Christians that I know. I have seen enough of your Vids to know what your views on Christians are. I am the one who suggested to Steve Cooper of the "Conservative Monster" to get in contact with y'all before he retired from the NYPD. I asked a simple question and have gotten a couple of answers to it.
I was invited over here by Paulette quite a while back. I consider her as a dear friend and a sister. Believe me Chiam, I am not your enemy and as things get progressively worse in this nation and the world, you and your fellow Jews and me and my fellow Christians are going to need all the help that we can get because all we have is G_d and each other.
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Maccabee is that a cross and Omega or a chi and omega? And what does that symbol mean?
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Maccabee is that a cross and Omega or a chi and omega? And what does that symbol mean?
Thanks for asking. It is a cross and omega. It symbolizes Christian Resistance to tryanny of any kind.
As a Confederate, I Love your Bonnie Blue...
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You know some religious Jews find the symbol of the cross somewhat insulting?
It was a symbol of Jewish oppression for almost 2000 years...
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You know some religious Jews find the symbol of the cross somewhat insulting?
It was a symbol of Jewish oppression for almost 2000 years...
I enjoyed breaking that missionary I met's cross. Too bad I didn't film it.
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You know some religious Jews find the symbol of the cross somewhat insulting?
It was a symbol of Jewish oppression for almost 2000 years...
I enjoyed breaking that missionary I met's cross. Too bad I didn't film it.
Nice... It is ashame that they try to missionize in Israel. I wish they would lock them up or fine them... This is not about freedom of speech, but about respecting the Jewish homeland... And the Jewish religion which is attempting to fufill the mission of the Jewish people. Missionaries are trying to destroy the Jewish soul, and it is a war which we have been fighting for 2000 years now...
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You know some religious Jews find the symbol of the cross somewhat insulting?
It was a symbol of Jewish oppression for almost 2000 years...
I enjoyed breaking that missionary I met's cross. Too bad I didn't film it.
Nice... It is ashame that they try to missionize in Israel. I wish they would lock them up or fine them... This is not about freedom of speech, but about respecting the Jewish homeland... And the Jewish religion which is attempting to fufill the mission of the Jewish people. Missionaries are trying to destroy the Jewish soul, and it is a war which we have been fighting for 2000 years now...
A Missionary is worse than Hitler. A spiritual Holocaust is worse than a physical Holocaust.
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You know some religious Jews find the symbol of the cross somewhat insulting?
It was a symbol of Jewish oppression for almost 2000 years...
I enjoyed breaking that missionary I met's cross. Too bad I didn't film it.
Nice... It is ashame that they try to missionize in Israel. I wish they would lock them up or fine them... This is not about freedom of speech, but about respecting the Jewish homeland... And the Jewish religion which is attempting to fufill the mission of the Jewish people. Missionaries are trying to destroy the Jewish soul, and it is a war which we have been fighting for 2000 years now...
A Missionary is worse than Hitler. A spiritual Holocaust is worse than a physical Holocaust.
You know I agree with that...
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Maccabee is that a cross and Omega or a chi and omega? And what does that symbol mean?
Thanks for asking. It is a cross and omega. It symbolizes Christian Resistance to tryanny of any kind.
As a Confederate, I Love your Bonnie Blue...
Thanks for explaining what your avatar meant.
It's not a good idea to have a cross on this forum because it will make some people very uncomfortable and it's a Jewish-run forum.
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Maccabee is that a cross and Omega or a chi and omega? And what does that symbol mean?
Thanks for asking. It is a cross and omega. It symbolizes Christian Resistance to tryanny of any kind.
As a Confederate, I Love your Bonnie Blue...
Thanks for explaining what your avatar meant.
It's not a good idea to have a cross on this forum because it will make some people very uncomfortable and it's a Jewish-run forum.
ah,this is a freedom symbol.but no most of the omega and the cross sytmbols came to symbolise jesus so i agree with you it is not a good idea.
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You know some religious Jews find the symbol of the cross somewhat insulting?
It was a symbol of Jewish oppression for almost 2000 years...
I enjoyed breaking that missionary I met's cross. Too bad I didn't film it.
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These people know how to handle missionaries 8)
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Nice... It is ashame that they try to missionize in Israel. I wish they would lock them up or fine them... This is not about freedom of speech, but about respecting the Jewish homeland... And the Jewish religion which is attempting to fufill the mission of the Jewish people. Missionaries are trying to destroy the Jewish soul, and it is a war which we have been fighting for 2000 years now...
I could not agree with you more on this Muman!
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I think JTF has an alliance with Pastor Manning
who is pastor manning?
What do you mean by this? Didn't you call the man "evil" a few days ago? How can you say such horrible things about someone whom you don't even know!?
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I think JTF has an alliance with Pastor Manning
who is pastor manning?
What do you mean by this? Didn't you call the man "evil" a few days ago? How can you say such horrible things about someone whom you don't even know!?
did you looked at the date? and the following posts? it is outdated.
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I came across certain right wing/conservative American sites, who are anti-muslims, anti-obama, pro-Israel yet i feel JTF must be careful in choosing such allies, and not jump quickly on subjective grounds.
Here is the site:
http://www.rightsidenews.com
American/ Christian Gentile members of JTF might be using these sites for updates. But the thing to note is that these sources have problems with Ultra-Orthodox Jews, the Heredims who counter the missionaries. They also support the Messianic jews. And of course they have problems with Hindu nationalists too. http://www.rightsidenews.com/201004239703/global-terrorism/messianic-jews-in-israel-seek-public-apology-for-attack.html
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010052410311/global-terrorism/hindu-nationalists-plan-religious-cleansing-in-madhya-pradesh-district.html
although they may have a pro-israel stand, it may not be pro-jew.
Their not rightous if they are missionaries.
And what is it that you have against freedom of speech and freedom of religion? I hate to inform you of this but Christianity was considered a Jewish Sect until well after the Jerusalem was trashed by the Romans. In fact, well after Bar Kokhba revolt.
;D Considered by whom? The relevant fact is that the chachamim (sages) of Judaism never considered it Jewish anything. They considered it heretical. And we today operate on the notions of those who received the mesorah (tradition of authority and interpretation of Divine Law of the Torah) from Moshe and Joshua, the Elders, and the Prophets. The Chachamim were those people who received the mesorah, so they define for us what is Jewish and what is not, what is acceptable for a Jew to embrace as belief, and what is not. Whatever so-called "sect" you refer to was never considered acceptable Jewish belief by the Chachamim. The Talmud is rife with examples of polemic against these types of breakaway sects and they are termed "minim" in some places. That means that this belief system is unacceptable for Jewish people.
If you are saying that a modern-day religion was started by certain historical Jews who departed from the Jewish faith and rebelled against what the Chachamim and Jewish tradition said, then you're correct, but these Jews were going against Judaism. So it has little relevance.
You cannot equate freedom of religion and freedom of speech with missionary work because missionary work is by definition dishonest and evil when it is marketed to Jews. When they claim that a Jew can embrace a foreign religion, they distort the truth, and they do this knowingly and willfully because they seek to corrupt the Jewish soul.
Freedom of religion means a person is free to practice his religion. He's not free to chase after astray or secular or ignorant Jews to deceive them into accepting his. That's not included in freedom of religion.
(Or if it is, then no I don't believe in "freedom of religion" conceived as such).
PS;
I don't consider Islam to be a valid reliogion. I consider Islam to be a Satanic death cult.
In that case, you should respect the fact that Jews do not see Christianity or Islam or any other foreign religion as a valid religion for Jews. Judaism itself does not recognize these other religions as valid religions for Jews. So if you can believe what you believe about Islam, you should understand exactly where we are coming from.
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;D Considered by whom? The relevant fact is that the chachamim (sages) of Judaism never considered it Jewish anything. They considered it heretical. And we today operate on the notions of those who received the mesorah (tradition of authority and interpretation of Divine Law of the Torah) from Moshe and Joshua, the Elders, and the Prophets. The Chachamim were those people who received the mesorah, so they define for us what is Jewish and what is not, what is acceptable for a Jew to embrace as belief, and what is not. Whatever so-called "sect" you refer to was never considered acceptable Jewish belief by the Chachamim. The Talmud is rife with examples of polemic against these types of breakaway sects and they are termed "minim" in some places. That means that this belief system is unacceptable for Jewish people.
If you are saying that a modern-day religion was started by certain historical Jews who departed from the Jewish faith and rebelled against what the Chachamim and Jewish tradition said, then you're correct, but these Jews were going against Judaism. So it has little relevance.
You cannot equate freedom of religion and freedom of speech with missionary work because missionary work is by definition dishonest and evil when it is marketed to Jews. When they claim that a Jew can embrace a foreign religion, they distort the truth, and they do this knowingly and willfully because they seek to corrupt the Jewish soul.
Freedom of religion means a person is free to practice his religion. He's not free to chase after astray or secular or ignorant Jews to deceive them into accepting his. That's not included in freedom of religion.
(Or if it is, then no I don't believe in "freedom of religion" conceived as such).
In that case, you should respect the fact that Jews do not see Christianity or Islam or any other foreign religion as a valid religion for Jews. Judaism itself does not recognize these other religions as valid religions for Jews. So if you can believe what you believe about Islam, you should understand exactly where we are coming from.
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