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Save Western Civilization => Save America => Topic started by: Bannedfan on May 23, 2007, 08:37:10 PM
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Erica,
Here's a challenge to you, right here, right now. Prove yourself to us if you want.
I want you to reply, repeating after me: "I detest Farrakhan, Sharpton, and Jackson, because they are racist Nazis."
C.F.
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Erica,
Here's a challenge to you, right here, right now. Prove yourself to us if you want.
I want you to reply, repeating after me: "I detest Farrakhan, Sharpton, and Jackson, because they are racist Nazis."
C.F.
I dont' have to say what you said...I've said this many times before. It wouldnt' be my fault if you didnt' read it before. Don't challenge me to do something I've already done.
What? Unless I say the exact same thing I've been saying but in your words, I'm not 'worthy' of being on this site? Screw this.
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Erica,
Here's a challenge to you, right here, right now. Prove yourself to us if you want.
I want you to reply, repeating after me: "I detest Farrakhan, Sharpton, and Jackson, because they are racist Nazis."
C.F.
I dont' have to say what you said...I've said this many times before. It wouldnt' be my fault if you didnt' read it before. Don't challenge me to do something I've already done.
What? Unless I say the exact same thing I've been saying but in your words, I'm not 'worthy' of being on this site? Screw this.
Ha!!! sorry I couldn't help myself..that was funny
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very good erica.....lol ;)
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Erica, I tried to give you a fair and clear way to finally repudiate these racists. I didn't say you HAVE to do it, but a lot of posters will take you more seriously if you do.
That's all. Chaimfan
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I don't know. I wonder what Erica meant when she commented on that shmuck Cortmeisters Imus videos. She said "And they say the terrorists are abroad." I guess she meant that all the Muslims are wonderful.
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I don't know. I wonder what Erica meant when she commented on that shmuck Cortmeisters Imus videos. She said "And they say the terrorists are abroad." I guess she meant that all the Muslims are wonderful.
This is something I'm so tired of misunderstandings of my quotes. The MUSLIMS WHO ARE TERRORISTS ARE EVIL!!! What I meant by "And they say the terrorists are abroad", I feel that ANYONE who makes fun of anyone or even threatens a culture in the name of religion and violence are evil and are terrorists in my eyes. ALL people who are in the Muslim Faith who commit terrorists acts are terrorists. Those who don't, aren't.
I'm starting to think that unless I say exactly what you say in your words, I'm no good here. If I say it in MY way, you'll continue to see me as this person who isn't a team player. No matter how many ways I say "SHARPTON SUCKS!" you'll always see "I SUPPORT SHARPTON" unless I post something like "SHARPTON IS A RACIST [censored]".
Well, quote this...
"And I thought blacks (and everyone else) were supposed to think for themselves." ::)
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Erica, I tried to give you a fair and clear way to finally repudiate these racists. I didn't say you HAVE to do it, but a lot of posters will take you more seriously if you do.
That's all. Chaimfan
No one here will ever 'totally' take me seriously because I've already been labled a ' welfare-receiving, Affirmative Action-benefitting (From), crack-whore schvartza, liberal cuntrag'. I didn't come here with a script for you to recite, why should I follow a script when I'm supposed to be a free-thinking, free-as-a-bird, black woman with responsibilities that don't involve me keeping the black community in check? I don't follow anyone's script for how they live THEIR lives, and I won't dare write to any of you "Repeat after me, I LOVE THE BLACK CULTURE.", because it isn't something you're into..and even moreso, you're DEFINATELY NOT into allowing people tell you what to think and how to run your life.
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Excuse me. You said something stupid which seemed to glorify Islam. Why can't anyone question you over it? Don't get so excited.
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Imerica, please read the Quraan/Hadith and study Islam in History. Your views will change I am very sure of it. Islams VERY comparable to Nazism and there are no "good" Nazis only Nazis who profess to their "religion" in silence and those who are voiciferous.
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Excuse me. You said something stupid which seemed to glorify Islam. Why can't anyone question you over it? Don't get so excited.
I wasn't glorifying anyone, downwithislam. I'd understand if I'd said "ALL GLORY TO ISLAM AND ALLAH" but I didn't. What I said didn't exclude Muslim terrorists but it did add to the fact that there are some people in America who glorify bashing others' religion, terrorize other cultures with hatred and such. The quotes the Youtube' er rattled off by Americans speaking of Jews in an unfavorable manner and other cultures is what caused me to say what I said. This includes Imus' dumb ass. If I'm wrong for calling people who have spoken of your culture unfavorably, terrorists (also)... fine.
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Imerica, please read the Quraan/Hadith and study Islam in History. Your views will change I am very sure of it. Islams VERY comparable to Nazism and there are no "good" Nazis only Nazis who profess to their "religion" in silence and those who are voiciferous.
Why do I have to read the Quraan? I know there are Muslim Terrorists in the world, I'm not so naive as to think they don't exist. But I've never MET them. I have met Muslims in my life who weren't evil towards me. They didn't even recite their religion to me. It was more "Good Morning. HOw are you. Good evening. Your chidren are beautiful (mutually)" That isn't to say that if those same people were on the news and wanted by the CIA/FBI for bomb attempts on our country that I wouldn't dislike them because I would...I'd most likely hate their guts.
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Imerica, please read the Quraan/Hadith and study Islam in History. Your views will change I am very sure of it. Islams VERY comparable to Nazism and there are no "good" Nazis only Nazis who profess to their "religion" in silence and those who are voiciferous.
Why do I have to read the Quraan? I know there are Muslim Terrorists in the world, I'm not so naive as to think they don't exist. But I've never MET them. I have met Muslims in my life who weren't evil towards me. They didn't even recite their religion to me. It was more "Good Morning. HOw are you. Good evening. Your chidren are beautiful (mutually)" That isn't to say that if those same people were on the news and wanted by the CIA/FBI for bomb attempts on our country that I wouldn't dislike them because I would...I'd most likely hate their guts.
Sorry but this response is very arrogant in my honest opinion. The reason, like any other reason to read, is to learn. Learn what it is. What it REALLY is. Is Nazism bad? Are all Nazis bad? Why? Like Islam there are Nazis who practiced their beliefs out right and others who, have never personally murdered Jews, Christians etc. but practice in silence....... This same logic, due to the such similarity in ideology, applies to Islam and anyone who declares them to be Moslems. PS: Since you are black you'd love what their teachings state about Blacks....
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Imerica, please read the Quraan/Hadith and study Islam in History. Your views will change I am very sure of it. Islams VERY comparable to Nazism and there are no "good" Nazis only Nazis who profess to their "religion" in silence and those who are voiciferous.
Why do I have to read the Quraan? I know there are Muslim Terrorists in the world, I'm not so naive as to think they don't exist. But I've never MET them. I have met Muslims in my life who weren't evil towards me. They didn't even recite their religion to me. It was more "Good Morning. HOw are you. Good evening. Your chidren are beautiful (mutually)" That isn't to say that if those same people were on the news and wanted by the CIA/FBI for bomb attempts on our country that I wouldn't dislike them because I would...I'd most likely hate their guts.
Sorry but this response is very arrogant in my honest opinion. The reason, like any other reason to read, is to learn. Learn what it is. What it REALLY is. Is Nazism bad? Are all Nazis bad? Why? Like Islam there are Nazis who practiced their beliefs out right and others who, have never personally murdered Jews, Christians etc. but practice in silence....... This same logic, due to the such similarity in ideology, applies to Islam and anyone who declares them to be Moslems. PS: Since you are black you'd love what their teachings state about Blacks....
A lot of people here haven't bothered to read the Christian Bible where it says "Judge not les ye be judged" but those same people have passed unfair judgement on me. But yet I'm supposed to read the Quraan and read it word for word and then agree with you on how evil ALL Muslims are.
I'd never marry a muslim man because of their strict views about women. I don't hate ALL Muslims but I have to understand that their religion is different from mine and existed as long as mine has. I DO DISLIKE/HATE those muslims who take it upon themselves to kill innocent people by use of car bombs and other dumb ways of "solving political / religious problems " ::)
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Islam isn't as old as your religion. Christianity is 600 years older.
But its still old and existed before my time on Earth, right? lol Some of you make it seem as though I'm supposed to hate the way you hate. I can separate those I severely dislike from those I don't know in a culture. I don't like being compared to negative black people, just as sure as I know that Muslims who haven't done the things that the negative Muslims have done don't like to be compared to them. I'm equally as sure that you don't like to be compared to the evil names people who bash your culture on.
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Erica, anybody who practices the Islamic faith is either a terrorist or supports terrorism. There may be a few so-called Muslims here and there who do not, but they don't know what Islam is and are not real Muslims.
It's just like Christianity. Christians teach that accepting Jesus is the way to heaven and to share him with the whole world. If you claim to be a Christian and don't believe it, you are fooling yourself, Likewise, a "Muslim" who does not believe Allah told Mohammed to conquer the world and convert it through holy warfare is not really one at all.
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Erica, if there are nice Muslims out there, show us some. Show us TWO Muslims who are willing to say they support Israel's right to exist and the war on terror.
Ball's in your court.
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Erica, how is Daniel Ottmers?
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I think this says it all:
There are no Arab "moderates" Part 1
http://www.jtf.org/israel/israel.arab.moderates.part.one.htm (http://www.jtf.org/israel/israel.arab.moderates.part.one.htm)
There are no Arab "moderates" Part 2
http://www.jtf.org/israel/israel.arab.moderates.part.two.htm (http://www.jtf.org/israel/israel.arab.moderates.part.two.htm)
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I don't know... It seems that Erica has a slight blind spot when it comes to American Black culture, but it also seems that we are beating her up and picking on her too much...
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Erica should take the advice of former Minister Of Information of the Black Panther Party Eldridge Cleaver. He used to preach that no, whites were not welcome in the BPP. But, he said, whites should go into their own communities and organise amongst themselves for the BPP, and when whites have something functional then the BPP could form a coalition with them. Now, the fundamental misunderstanding on Mr. Cleaver's part of which side was truly evil and which was basically good & civilised aside, I think ol' Eldridge made sense with this. I think Erica is either CIA, or, more than likely is interested in us because she genuinely is trying to figure out how to make a better world for her kids. Assuming it's the latter, Erica should form a JTFesque organisation for blacks and try to get something going that we can then form a coalition with. "Big Hearts against Big Scwartz" maybe? "Brave Hearts against Cave Schvartz"? "Love Jones against Neck Bones".
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I don't know... It seems that Erica has a slight blind spot when it comes to American Black culture, but it also seems that we are beating her up and picking on her too much...
VERY true and also to Islam. It is logical to hate evilness. Islam, in and of itself, IS evil. It is not a religion of "Peace". Perhaps if more people did hate....hate the proper things. Perhaps if negative and evil things were hated and openly there wouldn't be as much of it. Logically if one confronts and eliminates evilness only goodness is left no?
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I didn't beat up on Erica in this thread at all. I was firm and offered her a way to prove herself. I was not abusive in any way whatsoever.
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I think Erica is either CIA, or, more than likely is interested in us because she genuinely is trying to figure out how to make a better world for her kids.
C.I. aye aye.
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Erica, how is Daniel Ottmers?
Who is Daniel Ottmers? (Is the real question...???)
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I didn't beat up on Erica in this thread at all. I was firm and offered her a way to prove herself. I was not abusive in any way whatsoever.
Actually CF, you challenged me to think the way you think, say what YOU'd say and give up my individuality because that's what YOU want me to do. If I say Jackson, Sharpton and Farakkhan SUCK!, I shouldn't be made to tailor my words to the way you'd say it. I'd lose myself and give you the power to speak for me if I did that.
So I'll repeat in my OWN words
I DON'T NEED LOUIS, JESSE, or AL to fight my battles for me.
I DON'T NEED AFFIRMATIVE ACTION!
I DON'T NEED A "Black Leader" in my life to point me in the direction MY Life should go... NOR DO I NEED A BLACK MAN OR WOMAN TO TELL ME I'M WORTHY OR UNWORTHY OF ANYTHING.
And by the way, my husband and children don't need any of the 'things' I listed either.
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Erica, how is Daniel Ottmers?
Who is Daniel Ottmers? (Is the real question...???)
If you are not CIA never mind. :D
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I don't know... It seems that Erica has a slight blind spot when it comes to American Black culture, but it also seems that we are beating her up and picking on her too much...
There is no slight blind spot here. I understand black culture very well. You forget I grew up around the good, the bad and the ugly of it. I've learned how to filter those parts of black culture that are bad and ugly and focus purely on the good. I'll never forget where I came from...that BAD and UGLY had a place in my life at one time because experiencing them, in a way, shaped the way I am now. But there is nothing but good ahead of us. (My family and I.)
I'm a big girl though. I can handle anything you throw at me even when the names sting. I've been on this site for approximately 2 months? And I'm still alive.
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You know, the one thing I can generally appreciate about you, Imerica, is that you just want to live in peace...be left alone. LEt's all get along etc etc...
I'm all for that too...until suddenly, a perpetrator comes to my backyard and threatens my life...or tries to spread ideas down my throat or my friend's throat or my neighbor's throat. When cousin across the country gets beaten up for no reason..or when my other cousin gets misguided and starts doing what is obviously evil...
Yes, I want to live in peace..but to maintain peace, one needs to rebuke what is truely sinful and evil. Islam, when it is practiced, needs to be rebuked. It needs to be shown for what it is shamelessly. Evil culture needs to be rebuked. IF we don't do these things, it will turn around, influence those who we love and want to love and turn into a type of a perpertrator and disturb the peace which we love.
When 9/11 took place, that was one of the days I realized what was bad. Then last year in the Lebanon War, I realized that the media became influenced in a much bigger way by evil and lies.
So yes, I want to live in peace, but now we are in a bad war..not the same one where we see guns and bombs here... hopefully we'll never see guns and bombs here...but i'm telling you...the enemies are moving right next door to us...we have to fight and not be so politically correct.
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Erica here is a challenge for you, read the following from the islamic hadiths, and then tell me that islam is peaceful, remember that Mohammed (here sometimes called the Apostle or Allah's messanger) is the only prophet of Islam:
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464:
"The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
Ishaq:481:
"The Apostle slew them in their own town. With our troops he surrounded their homes. We shouted out cries in the heat of battle. The Jews were given the Scripture and wasted it. Being blind, they strayed from the Torah. You Jews disbelieved the Qur'an and yet you have tasted the confirmation of what it said. May Allah make our raid on them immortal. May fire burn in their quarter. They will no longer ruin our lands. You have no place here, so be off!"
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511:
"So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered Khaybar home by home. The first stronghold defeated was Naim. Next was Qamus, the community of Abi Huqayq. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah bt. Huyayy, the wife of Kinanah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself."
Ishaq:511:
"When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."
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Can you do it Erica?
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I didn't expect to get a response. I've checked the active user list she has been online the wole time since I posted the first of these three posts.
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I didn't expect to get a response. I've checked the active user list she has been online the wole time since I posted the first of these three posts.
she just might be away from the computer yet still be logged on....give it a few days and then write that response..
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Erica here is a challenge for you, read the following from the islamic hadiths, and then tell me that islam is peaceful, remember that Mohammed (here sometimes called the Apostle or Allah's messanger) is the only prophet of Islam:
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464:
"The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
Ishaq:481:
"The Apostle slew them in their own town. With our troops he surrounded their homes. We shouted out cries in the heat of battle. The Jews were given the Scripture and wasted it. Being blind, they strayed from the Torah. You Jews disbelieved the Qur'an and yet you have tasted the confirmation of what it said. May Allah make our raid on them immortal. May fire burn in their quarter. They will no longer ruin our lands. You have no place here, so be off!"
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511:
"So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered Khaybar home by home. The first stronghold defeated was Naim. Next was Qamus, the community of Abi Huqayq. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah bt. Huyayy, the wife of Kinanah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself."
Ishaq:511:
"When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."
You know what? This is quite annoying (as I've been called). I have never studied the Islamic religion. All I can tell you is that I've never MET a Muslim person who was evil towards me and my family...Wait...I have! Now that I think of it!
I was in a store with my 13 year old cousin, carrying my 1 1/2 year old daughter on my hip while 6 months pregnant with my second child. We went into the store which was Arab owned, for a cannister of sour cream. The store was small but could fit up to 6 aisles of products inside. As my cousin was walking toward the freezer to retrieve the sour cream, my daughter and I walked down the aisles but at the opposite end of the asiles, the security guard was following us. I hadn't touched anything...just eyeballing the various products. Then I noticed that when I stopped walking, he stopped; when I continued to walk, he continued in the same direction. Meanwhile I noticed that there were more people than just 'us' who had entered the store...doing the same thing I was doing..only I was the only one being followed. I asked him if he had a problem, following me the way he was and he replied "Are you buying anything?" I told him 'no, just looking' and he continued to follow us until my cousin found what we were looking for, we paid and left. I was so angry when I left that store I didn't know what to do! This was 10 years ago, the day before Thanksgiving. After that, I was never followed in any other store owned by anyone Muslim. I assumed that the person who did that was just an ignorant ahole but also knew that he didn't represent any of the Muslims who were good to me, in my experience before him and after the incident.
I am not in the business of reading about everyone's religion so that I could insult where they came from or where theyre going for that matter. With respect to you though, I read the scripture you posted and I do see a reason why I'm not a Muslim woman. Thank God I don't HAVE to be.
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Erica here is a challenge for you, read the following from the islamic hadiths, and then tell me that islam is peaceful, remember that Mohammed (here sometimes called the Apostle or Allah's messanger) is the only prophet of Islam:
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464:
"The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
Ishaq:481:
"The Apostle slew them in their own town. With our troops he surrounded their homes. We shouted out cries in the heat of battle. The Jews were given the Scripture and wasted it. Being blind, they strayed from the Torah. You Jews disbelieved the Qur'an and yet you have tasted the confirmation of what it said. May Allah make our raid on them immortal. May fire burn in their quarter. They will no longer ruin our lands. You have no place here, so be off!"
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511:
"So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered Khaybar home by home. The first stronghold defeated was Naim. Next was Qamus, the community of Abi Huqayq. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah bt. Huyayy, the wife of Kinanah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself."
Ishaq:511:
"When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."
You know what? This is quite annoying (as I've been called). I have never studied the Islamic religion. All I can tell you is that I've never MET a Muslim person who was evil towards me and my family...Wait...I have! Now that I think of it!
I was in a store with my 13 year old cousin, carrying my 1 1/2 year old daughter on my hip while 6 months pregnant with my second child. We went into the store which was Arab owned, for a cannister of sour cream. The store was small but could fit up to 6 aisles of products inside. As my cousin was walking toward the freezer to retrieve the sour cream, my daughter and I walked down the aisles but at the opposite end of the asiles, the security guard was following us. I hadn't touched anything...just eyeballing the various products. Then I noticed that when I stopped walking, he stopped; when I continued to walk, he continued in the same direction. Meanwhile I noticed that there were more people than just 'us' who had entered the store...doing the same thing I was doing..only I was the only one being followed. I asked him if he had a problem, following me the way he was and he replied "Are you buying anything?" I told him 'no, just looking' and he continued to follow us until my cousin found what we were looking for, we paid and left. I was so angry when I left that store I didn't know what to do! This was 10 years ago, the day before Thanksgiving. After that, I was never followed in any other store owned by anyone Muslim. I assumed that the person who did that was just an ignorant ahole but also knew that he didn't represent any of the Muslims who were good to me, in my experience before him and after the incident.
I am not in the business of reading about everyone's religion so that I could insult where they came from or where theyre going for that matter. With respect to you though, I read the scripture you posted and I do see a reason why I'm not a Muslim woman. Thank G-d I don't HAVE to be.
But Erica, as an American it's not a bad idea to get aquainted with the religion of people that want to kill all of us, especially in light of the fact that the Koran teaches muslims it's ok, in fact it's a must to lie to the infidel. If every muslim you have met[except 1] was just ducky, how can you be sure they are not just practicing divine deception? The Koran teaches this, Mohammad bragged about doing it. I stopped talking to a muslim that was very friendly once I learned this myself. We have to put protecting this country above alot of things. We must be equipped to know what we are dealing with. We must know our enemy.
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I'm sorry I was so quick to say that you weren't going to respond. In response to your comments, we don't study islamic texts in order to insult people, we study islamic texts in order to understand that these people want to kill us and we need to do something about it.
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I didn't expect to get a response. I've checked the active user list she has been online the wole time since I posted the first of these three posts.
My computer is ALWAYS online, just so you know for future reference. I was away getting my 10 year old ready for school. Anytime you ask me a question and I don't respond as fast as you'd like, please consider that I have a family and a life outside this computer screen. ;) I cook, clean, play with my 2 year-old and spend time with my family while I'm away from the site.
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I'm sorry I was so quick to say that you weren't going to respond. In response to your comments, we don't study islamic texts in order to insult people, we study islamic texts in order to understand that these people want to kill us and we need to do something about it.
From what I read, I believe you. I don't have to read any more than that to understand what the Islamic religion is about. Now that I'm armed with the knowledge that the Islamics are after me and mine, what do I do now? Duck and cover, bend over and kiss my keister good-bye, or what? I mean, by my own admission, I'd look kind of crazy and derranged ducking and dodging, becoming a prisoner in my own home because ONE DAY some maniac from an Islamic terrorist group will kill me where I stand.
That sounds like that would take a chunk of my life.
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I didn't expect to get a response. I've checked the active user list she has been online the wole time since I posted the first of these three posts.
My computer is ALWAYS online, just so you know for future reference. I was away getting my 10 year old ready for school. Anytime you ask me a question and I don't respond as fast as you'd like, please consider that I have a family and a life outside this computer screen. ;) I cook, clean, play with my 2 year-old and spend time with my family while I'm away from the site.
I'm sorry, I'm often accused of being to slow to criticise, I guess I've hit the other extreme... I'll work on getting it right...
Regarding Islam, no we can't justu live our life in fear, that's what they want us to do, what we have to do is raise awareness of this issue, and get more people to understand it so that ultimately we can influence politicians and get them to act.
We need an end to all muslim imigration into the west.
We need to stop buying oil from muslims.
And we need to stop muslim countries like Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.
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I didn't expect to get a response. I've checked the active user list she has been online the wole time since I posted the first of these three posts.
My computer is ALWAYS online, just so you know for future reference. I was away getting my 10 year old ready for school. Anytime you ask me a question and I don't respond as fast as you'd like, please consider that I have a family and a life outside this computer screen. ;) I cook, clean, play with my 2 year-old and spend time with my family while I'm away from the site.
I'm sorry, I'm often accused of being to slow to criticise, I guess I've hit the other extreme... I'll work on getting it right...
Regarding Islam, no we can't justu live our life in fear, that's what they want us to do, what we have to do is raise awareness of this issue, and get more people to understand it so that ultimately we can influence politicians and get them to act.
We need an end to all muslim imigration into the west.
We need to stop buying oil from muslims.
And we need to stop muslim countries like Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.
All of the things you listed we should stop doing has been going on for YEARS. This isn't a brand new trend, us buying oil from the Muslims; us allowing Muslims to migrate from their homeland to our's; or even the US govt (I'm not even going to add 'us' to it because I didn't have ANYTHING to do with the dumb idea of...) selling Nukes to Islamic Muslims.
The U.S. Government has a lot to atone for as far as who they give weapons to, who they share information with, and why (in the HELL) they'd do either. I can't raise those people again..but I can raise my girls with the common sense to know when to raise the B.S. Flag.
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I know these things have been going on for a while, but we still need to stop them, just because something has been going on for a few years it doesn't make it good, or unstoppable.
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I know these things have been going on for a while, but we still need to stop them, just because something has been going on for a few years it doesn't make it good, or unstoppable.
True, but we've also been asking our govt to stand behind its citizens and look out of our safety for Years. I can't help but think that the more we ask them to stop things, the more we sound like Charlie Brown's teacher....*Bwa-wa-wawa-bwa...*
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Never give up, no matter how bad things become we must never give up, if you give up you may as well roll over and die.
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Never give up, no matter how bad things become we must never give up, if you give up you may as well roll over and die.
Who was talking about giving up? LOL I just fight in a different way. Evil people don't like it when you smile in their face. I fight evil with kindness but I will throw punches if anyone threatens the lives of my children.
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Erica, do not assume that because you have met Muslims who are seemingly nice to you they are genuinely that way. These are people who would slit your throat just for being black in a heartbeat if they figured they would get away with it. Arabs, who are the real dominant race in Mohammedan groupthink, have been enslaving Africans for hundreds of years as well as engaging in outright holocausts against them. How many Africans have been murdered by Libyan and Sudanese Arabs in Chad, Sudan, and Darfur? A good number of these blacks killed, enslaved, or pressed into sex slavery have been black Muslims in fact!
Wake up. These are subhuman monsters and black leaders (like Sharpton and Jackson, who profess to be Christian) who deliberately ignore the ongoing Islamic genocide against black Africans of all religions are just as wicked as the actual Arab mass murderers.
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Erica, do not assume that because you have met Muslims who are seemingly nice to you they are genuinely that way. These are people who would slit your throat just for being black in a heartbeat if they figured they would get away with it. Arabs, who are the real dominant race in Mohammedan groupthink, have been enslaving Africans for hundreds of years as well as engaging in outright holocausts against them. How many Africans have been murdered by Libyan and Sudanese Arabs in Chad, Sudan, and Darfur? A good number of these blacks killed, enslaved, or pressed into sex slavery have been black Muslims in fact!
Well, I could say the same thing about Allen-T who has said he'd drive into the black community and kill black people. I could say that judging by his comment, he'd kill me and my family also without a second thought. Would that be a fair assessment?
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Erica, do not assume that because you have met Muslims who are seemingly nice to you they are genuinely that way. These are people who would slit your throat just for being black in a heartbeat if they figured they would get away with it. Arabs, who are the real dominant race in Mohammedan groupthink, have been enslaving Africans for hundreds of years as well as engaging in outright holocausts against them. How many Africans have been murdered by Libyan and Sudanese Arabs in Chad, Sudan, and Darfur? A good number of these blacks killed, enslaved, or pressed into sex slavery have been black Muslims in fact!
Well, I could say the same thing about Allen-T who has said he'd drive into the black community and kill black people. I could say that judging by his comment, he'd kill me and my family also without a second thought. Would that be a fair assessment?
Can you post the exact quote which you felt that Allen-T would drive into a black community and kill random black people?
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Yes, I'd like to know when I said that. And I am not saying I didn't, I have been known to say things when I am angry that I don't literally mean. Regardless, I would not just kill someone that was black because they are black, unless it comes down to a race war, which will probably happen. In that case I have no doubt that 90% of the African American community will be against all whites and as a matter of military strategy, yes I would bomb entire black neighborhoods. But killing individual blacks just because they are black? No, not me. My son is half black. His mother is a good, [censored] hating Caribbean woman, who has black skin. I've stated that before.
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Erica might be angry because she is CIA. Daniel Ottmers is watching ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yes, I'd like to know when I said that. And I am not saying I didn't, I have been known to say things when I am angry that I don't literally mean. Regardless, I would not just kill someone that was black because they are black, unless it comes down to a race war, which will probably happen. In that case I have no doubt that 90% of the African American community will be against all whites and as a matter of military strategy, yes I would bomb entire black neighborhoods. But killing individual blacks just because they are black? No, not me. My son is half black. His mother is a good, schvartza hating Caribbean woman, who has black skin. I've stated that before.
No explanations needed Allen-T. Don't get needlessly concerned by what you said or didn't say. We have all said things in rhetoric when pissed off that far surpasses any actions we would take in reality
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Yes, I'd like to know when I said that. And I am not saying I didn't, I have been known to say things when I am angry that I don't literally mean. Regardless, I would not just kill someone that was black because they are black, unless it comes down to a race war, which will probably happen. In that case I have no doubt that 90% of the African American community will be against all whites and as a matter of military strategy, yes I would bomb entire black neighborhoods. But killing individual blacks just because they are black? No, not me. My son is half black. His mother is a good, schvartza hating Caribbean woman, who has black skin. I've stated that before.
No explanations needed Allen-T. Don't get needlessly concerned by what you said or didn't say. We have all said things in rhetoric when pissed off that far surpasses any actions we would take in reality
Of course. :)
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Erica, do not assume that because you have met Muslims who are seemingly nice to you they are genuinely that way. These are people who would slit your throat just for being black in a heartbeat if they figured they would get away with it. Arabs, who are the real dominant race in Mohammedan groupthink, have been enslaving Africans for hundreds of years as well as engaging in outright holocausts against them. How many Africans have been murdered by Libyan and Sudanese Arabs in Chad, Sudan, and Darfur? A good number of these blacks killed, enslaved, or pressed into sex slavery have been black Muslims in fact!
Well, I could say the same thing about Allen-T who has said he'd drive into the black community and kill black people. I could say that judging by his comment, he'd kill me and my family also without a second thought. Would that be a fair assessment?
Can you post the exact quote which you felt that Allen-T would drive into a black community and kill random black people?
No I can't but I can tell you that Allen-T definately did say he'd bomb a black community full of evil blacks.. the thing is, how would he know which black is evil? He's never really seen me or my family so if my husband and I were walking down the street together and Allen-T came charging up the street and shot us, because he'd assume we were evil, what would be the point? What do EVIL blacks look like, Allen-T? Anyone?
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Don't forget the Arabian Muslim's and the slave trade. One can also see right now the Islamic attitude towards the Blacks now in the Sudan, Chad and many other nations. Kill or drive out all the Black Christians and once they are all dead or gone the Arab Muslims turn on the Black Muslims. I have no idea how a black person could ever embrace Islam as the Koran places the Blacks a bit higher than dirt but lower than humans.... What a vile faith...
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Erica, do not assume that because you have met Muslims who are seemingly nice to you they are genuinely that way. These are people who would slit your throat just for being black in a heartbeat if they figured they would get away with it. Arabs, who are the real dominant race in Mohammedan groupthink, have been enslaving Africans for hundreds of years as well as engaging in outright holocausts against them. How many Africans have been murdered by Libyan and Sudanese Arabs in Chad, Sudan, and Darfur? A good number of these blacks killed, enslaved, or pressed into sex slavery have been black Muslims in fact!
Well, I could say the same thing about Allen-T who has said he'd drive into the black community and kill black people. I could say that judging by his comment, he'd kill me and my family also without a second thought. Would that be a fair assessment?
Can you post the exact quote which you felt that Allen-T would drive into a black community and kill random black people?
No I can't but I can tell you that Allen-T definately did say he'd bomb a black community full of evil blacks.. the thing is, how would he know which black is evil? He's never really seen me or my family so if my husband and I were walking down the street together and Allen-T came charging up the street and shot us, because he'd assume we were evil, what would be the point? What do EVIL blacks look like, Allen-T? Anyone?
As I said before, in the context of a race war, which will very probably happen once third world trash becomes the majority, you have to do what you have to do. Watch the video I just uploaded about Hurricane Katrina's aftermath in those Enormo-domes. Like Chaim said, if you want a good picture of what America will be like when "they" become the majority[illegal invaders,jealous everything-hating blacks, etc.] then just look at what went on in New Orleans. Whites will have no choice but to fight to win or be destroyed. If that bothers you Erica, then do something to change the mentality within your own community. Should I just stand by while, for the last 3 years since I moved back to the states, I have been screwed every which way possible by blacks and hispanics on my job? I don't get fair play extended to me because I am white. I don't get rightful promotions because some fat Puerto Rican who has a sexual harassment charge against him and is there more than one year less than me gets it because he's a Rican and the supervisor is a [censored]. Playing the game doesn't work for me. So I have nothing to lose. I am ready to take up arms if necessary against all anti-white and anti-semetic garbage. It's just a matter of time and organisation. If the wave starts to rise, if good people, JTF people can wake up those who are in the crosshairs and don't know it then I say "Let's Roll". War is a terrible thing, but you don't run away because a few innocent people will be killed. Bring it on. I've nothing to lose. the videos;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuFOBtyUmHg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b62q6R3LIzk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cu4yM4O2Bo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-lrzbKmgM
Parts 1-4 in order >:(
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Erica, do not assume that because you have met Muslims who are seemingly nice to you they are genuinely that way. These are people who would slit your throat just for being black in a heartbeat if they figured they would get away with it. Arabs, who are the real dominant race in Mohammedan groupthink, have been enslaving Africans for hundreds of years as well as engaging in outright holocausts against them. How many Africans have been murdered by Libyan and Sudanese Arabs in Chad, Sudan, and Darfur? A good number of these blacks killed, enslaved, or pressed into sex slavery have been black Muslims in fact!
Well, I could say the same thing about Allen-T who has said he'd drive into the black community and kill black people. I could say that judging by his comment, he'd kill me and my family also without a second thought. Would that be a fair assessment?
Can you post the exact quote which you felt that Allen-T would drive into a black community and kill random black people?
No I can't but I can tell you that Allen-T definately did say he'd bomb a black community full of evil blacks.. the thing is, how would he know which black is evil? He's never really seen me or my family so if my husband and I were walking down the street together and Allen-T came charging up the street and shot us, because he'd assume we were evil, what would be the point? What do EVIL blacks look like, Allen-T? Anyone?
Truely righteous people would be smart enough than to live amongst those who are extraordinarily evil. Some who may be a decent person may live amongst evil people, but not be willing to either rebuke the evil around him/her for fear. A smart decent person will move away from the evil. But a decent person who cannot live without the evil around them will be nothing more than what Lot's wife was...and she became a pillar of salt.
Secondly, if Allen-T wrote that, which I know he didn't...and if you can't quote exactly then none of us know what youare talking about. So really you are throwing words in his mouth... Erica, you can't do that in this type of forum.. YOu cannot put words in peoples' mouths here. I certainly wouldn't accept it if someone were to do that with you..and i know there are certain people here which i will not mention that put words in your mouth and it does bother me.
Allen-T, is a very religious person..and a good hearted man.. He would not just go randomly and shoot people...so come on! don't be such a pisser!
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And if there were a declaration of war on me..I would agree with Allen-T. If your enemy is going to kill you, you ahve to kill him first. When dealing with a large population like last year in Lebanon, you can't think of "innocent" civilians.. It's a war for Gd's sake! Death to innoncents happen in war.. War is a horrible thing for that reason...
in war you cannot worry about who you are offending when it means your own survival.
is this what you are trying to say, Allen-t?
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And if there were a declaration of war on me..I would agree with Allen-T. If your enemy is going to kill you, you ahve to kill him first. When dealing with a large population like last year in Lebanon, you can't think of "innocent" civilians.. It's a war for Gd's sake! Death to innoncents happen in war.. War is a horrible thing for that reason...
in war you cannot worry about who you are offending when it means your own survival.
is this what you are trying to say, Allen-t?
Yes, pretty much. I believe what Erica is referring to is a comment I made on a Youtube video of hers which no longer exists. So the comment is gone as well. But it was probably along the lines of what I have stated here, regarding war. Erica, like most blacks would like us to be stupid whites who just sit back and allow what happened to those 2 kids in Knoxville to happen to all of us, like it's no big deal. Blacks refuse to acknowledge their own savagery and we are all the racists because we point it out. Too bad.
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Well, I could say the same thing about Allen-T who has said he'd drive into the black community and kill black people. I could say that judging by his comment, he'd kill me and my family also without a second thought. Would that be a fair assessment?
Show me where he said that.
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I don't know. I wonder what Erica meant when she commented on that shmuck Cortmeisters Imus videos. She said "And they say the terrorists are abroad." I guess she meant that all the Muslims are wonderful.
This is something I'm so tired of misunderstandings of my quotes. The MUSLIMS WHO ARE TERRORISTS ARE EVIL!!! What I meant by "And they say the terrorists are abroad", I feel that ANYONE who makes fun of anyone or even threatens a culture in the name of religion and violence are evil and are terrorists in my eyes. ALL people who are in the Muslim Faith who commit terrorists acts are terrorists. Those who don't, aren't.
I'm starting to think that unless I say exactly what you say in your words, I'm no good here. If I say it in MY way, you'll continue to see me as this person who isn't a team player. No matter how many ways I say "SHARPTON SUCKS!" you'll always see "I SUPPORT SHARPTON" unless I post something like "SHARPTON IS A RACIST schvartza".
Well, quote this...
"And I thought blacks (and everyone else) were supposed to think for themselves." ::)
Hey Erica, I like your style! I hear you loud and clear, girl :)
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And if there were a declaration of war on me..I would agree with Allen-T. If your enemy is going to kill you, you ahve to kill him first. When dealing with a large population like last year in Lebanon, you can't think of "innocent" civilians.. It's a war for Gd's sake! Death to innoncents happen in war.. War is a horrible thing for that reason...
in war you cannot worry about who you are offending when it means your own survival.
is this what you are trying to say, Allen-t?
Yes, pretty much. I believe what Erica is referring to is a comment I made on a Youtube video of hers which no longer exists. So the comment is gone as well. But it was probably along the lines of what I have stated here, regarding war. Erica, like most blacks would like us to be stupid whites who just sit back and allow what happened to those 2 kids in Knoxville to happen to all of us, like it's no big deal. Blacks refuse to acknowledge their own savagery and we are all the racists because we point it out. Too bad.
Who called you stupid, Allen? No one. And I'm sick and tired of people saying "Blacks won't acknowledge the wrongs in their culture" when that's all I do with you guys. You're so set in your bitterness toward black culture, a black person could say exactly what you want to hear and you STILL assume that we're blind to the wrongs in our culture. Whatever.
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Erica, what is good about mainstream black culture? Come on, lay a few things out.
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Erica, what is good about mainstream black culture? Come on, lay a few things out.
I like that when good black people get together its all about encouraging one another to do good in our lives. What also makes our culture is that we have the ability to snap back after a major catastrophy presents itself. Our dances, our parties, our food, our experiences and our pride ( and I don't mean "anti-white or Jew" pride, either) are great also. Many of us are too proud to beg unless we really and truely need.
As you can see I didn't ONCE claim black on black crime as a GOOD thing in black American culture. That's because its not good.
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Erica, what is good about mainstream black culture? Come on, lay a few things out.
What also makes our culture is that we have the ability to snap back after a major catastrophy presents itself.
The Chocolate City is a prime example of that. ???
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And if there were a declaration of war on me..I would agree with Allen-T. If your enemy is going to kill you, you ahve to kill him first. When dealing with a large population like last year in Lebanon, you can't think of "innocent" civilians.. It's a war for Gd's sake! Death to innoncents happen in war.. War is a horrible thing for that reason...
in war you cannot worry about who you are offending when it means your own survival.
is this what you are trying to say, Allen-t?
Yes, pretty much. I believe what Erica is referring to is a comment I made on a Youtube video of hers which no longer exists. So the comment is gone as well. But it was probably along the lines of what I have stated here, regarding war. Erica, like most blacks would like us to be stupid whites who just sit back and allow what happened to those 2 kids in Knoxville to happen to all of us, like it's no big deal. Blacks refuse to acknowledge their own savagery and we are all the racists because we point it out. Too bad.
Who called you stupid, Allen? No one. And I'm sick and tired of people saying "Blacks won't acknowledge the wrongs in their culture" when that's all I do with you guys. You're so set in your bitterness toward black culture, a black person could say exactly what you want to hear and you STILL assume that we're blind to the wrongs in our culture. Whatever.
You imply I am stupid when you suggest my reasoning for bombing ghettos in a race war is anything other than understandable and necessary. You just now called me stupid by defining my logic and reason on these matters as bitterness. Bitterness would only be present if it was coupled with envy or jealousy. No self respecting white person is jealous or envious of black death culture. You so cannot stand the reason and rational behind my words you MUST redefine them to protect your people. Your saying what needs to be said here so as not to be banned is not an example of blacks acknowledging their predominately evil nature. Actually going out among st your own and really changing things would be.
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I like that when good black people get together its all about encouraging one another to do good in our lives
e.g. to trade tips on how to get over
What also makes our culture is that we have the ability to snap back after a major catastrophy presents itself.
Yeah, we saw evidence of that after Katrina[see our recent video]
Our dances, our parties,
Often events that end up in bloodshed
our food
Heart attack,anyone?
our experiences and our pride
Need I continue?
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Im erica - please give examples of the black culture snapping back. I can't get past that statement.
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I don't know if it is a black American culture thing or not, but I love it when certain black people are jolly and happy-go-lucky. It does put a smile on my face...and I like it more when I'm smiling when they are jolly and they smile back.
;D
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I don't know if it is a black American culture thing or not, but I love it when certain black people are jolly and happy-go-lucky. It does put a smile on my face...and I like it more when I'm smiling when they are jolly and they smile back.
;D
That is a rarity these days, except when MassuhDGoodname scripts dialogues which star such ones. ;)
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Erica here is a challenge for you, read the following from the islamic hadiths, and then tell me that islam is peaceful, remember that Mohammed (here sometimes called the Apostle or Allah's messanger) is the only prophet of Islam:
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464:
"The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
Ishaq:481:
"The Apostle slew them in their own town. With our troops he surrounded their homes. We shouted out cries in the heat of battle. The Jews were given the Scripture and wasted it. Being blind, they strayed from the Torah. You Jews disbelieved the Qur'an and yet you have tasted the confirmation of what it said. May Allah make our raid on them immortal. May fire burn in their quarter. They will no longer ruin our lands. You have no place here, so be off!"
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511:
"So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered Khaybar home by home. The first stronghold defeated was Naim. Next was Qamus, the community of Abi Huqayq. The Messenger took some of its people captive, including Safiyah bt. Huyayy, the wife of Kinanah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself."
Ishaq:511:
"When Dihyah protested, wanting to keep Safiyah for himself, the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."
You know what? This is quite annoying (as I've been called). I have never studied the Islamic religion. All I can tell you is that I've never MET a Muslim person who was evil towards me and my family...Wait...I have! Now that I think of it!
I was in a store with my 13 year old cousin, carrying my 1 1/2 year old daughter on my hip while 6 months pregnant with my second child. We went into the store which was Arab owned, for a cannister of sour cream. The store was small but could fit up to 6 aisles of products inside. As my cousin was walking toward the freezer to retrieve the sour cream, my daughter and I walked down the aisles but at the opposite end of the asiles, the security guard was following us. I hadn't touched anything...just eyeballing the various products. Then I noticed that when I stopped walking, he stopped; when I continued to walk, he continued in the same direction. Meanwhile I noticed that there were more people than just 'us' who had entered the store...doing the same thing I was doing..only I was the only one being followed. I asked him if he had a problem, following me the way he was and he replied "Are you buying anything?" I told him 'no, just looking' and he continued to follow us until my cousin found what we were looking for, we paid and left. I was so angry when I left that store I didn't know what to do! This was 10 years ago, the day before Thanksgiving. After that, I was never followed in any other store owned by anyone Muslim. I assumed that the person who did that was just an ignorant ahole but also knew that he didn't represent any of the Muslims who were good to me, in my experience before him and after the incident.
I am not in the business of reading about everyone's religion so that I could insult where they came from or where theyre going for that matter. With respect to you though, I read the scripture you posted and I do see a reason why I'm not a Muslim woman. Thank G-d I don't HAVE to be.
Erica, this reminds me of a common practice that I heard a lot about when I went to college in Oneonta, NY. I heard that many times when black people would go into the local supermarket, oftentimes they were followed around by the manager and store personel. It sounds like the same thing happened to you here. But as I'm sure you already realize, this doesn't have anything to do with them being muslim as it does with them being racist.
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Erica, I'm curious to know your views on Israel? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? Do you consider zionism to be a form of racism? Do you think Israel should return to it's pre '67 borders? Just curious to know your views on this. Thanks.
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I like that when good black people get together its all about encouraging one another to do good in our lives
e.g. to trade tips on how to get over
What also makes our culture is that we have the ability to snap back after a major catastrophy presents itself.
Yeah, we saw evidence of that after Katrina[see our recent video]
Our dances, our parties,
Often events that end up in bloodshed
our food
Heart attack,anyone?
our experiences and our pride
Need I continue?
Allen, you have a way of discrediting anything good in the black culture.
When I get together with my friends from my old neighborhood we don't talk about 'getting over' we talk about how we can better ourselves. For instance, I recently found my best friend since 3rd grade who I hadn't seen since we were Sophmores in high school... that was 17 years ago. She is in school just like I am and she's working toward her business degree. We, as well as my other friends, including my sister get together to encourage great things to happen in our lives. It works the same way in my house. I encourage my children to do better and my husband participates in the act of encouraging, also. I don't appreciate your assumption that black people congregate together to see how they can "get over".
I'm not a Katrina victim, nor am I representative of those blacks who lost their damned minds during the catastrophe. I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
As far as our dances are concerned... no one has ever been shot over dancing. Sorry to disappoint you. As for our parties, I'm not speaking of those parties that include static between gangs... are you assuming that I attend such parties? That's not fair. I'm speaking of parties where we're able to have a good time, dance til our heart's content and share a fun time with our family and friends. Weddings, birthdays, and just-because its' Friday parties. Its all about having a good time.
Our food... your response to that was sort of true but still negative. Over-doing it , just like with any other foods can cause high cholesterol and blood pressure in ANYONE. Moderation is key. YOU need to stop being so freaking negative. Have you EVER tasted my baked chicken? As a matter of fact, since you want to play, "I Know What Black People are Thinking", tell me some of the ingredients used in some of the soul food cooked nowadays. Without going to Google. Since you know everything about our culture.
Lastly, to some black people, our experience make us stronger and more knowlegable about our futures. My experience living in the projects made more humble, and made me not take life for granted. My experience with abuse made me a better person because I have girls to protect from it ever happening to them. My experience with bad men in my life made me appreciate the love of a GOOD man. YOU need to stop being so negative. period.
SInce you've never been to a party given by a black person/ family... since you've obviously ever eaten a morsel of food cooked by those of the 'darker persuasion'... since you wouldn't know a dance from the black culture (and I'm still catching up with that one).. and since you've never been in the position where you had to rob Peter to pay Paul to make ends meet and still come out of the situation fairly well, I don't think you're a good judge of what really goes on on the good side of black culture. I think you're either watching too many movies where blacks are the antagonists, or what. I do think you need to stop judging what you know nothing about.
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A dance that was originated in Chicago is called "Stepping". Here are a few videos that show you what I mean by "our dancing"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wvVkvJs3YJ4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X4iCNRZnixM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pGC7-MQ5mMM
And for the ladies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqvhqInalr4
Now for the Cha Cha Slide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qhnQDbYZAU
"Did you see any gringing in any of those videos?"
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I like that when good black people get together its all about encouraging one another to do good in our lives
e.g. to trade tips on how to get over
What also makes our culture is that we have the ability to snap back after a major catastrophy presents itself.
Yeah, we saw evidence of that after Katrina[see our recent video]
Our dances, our parties,
Often events that end up in bloodshed
our food
Heart attack,anyone?
our experiences and our pride
Need I continue?
Allen! Come on now! This is EXTREMELY racist! You should withdraw these remarks! I expect better from you!
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Erica, I'm curious to know your views on Israel? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? Do you consider zionism to be a form of racism? Do you think Israel should return to it's pre '67 borders? Just curious to know your views on this. Thanks.
I don't have the right to say which countries have no right to exist. So my views on Israel are that the people in Israel have every right to be who they are. I have no idea what 67' borders are. Zionism is foreign to me. But I'm not against people in Israel being proud of where they came from. What was I supposed to say?
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Erica, I'm curious to know your views on Israel? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? Do you consider zionism to be a form of racism? Do you think Israel should return to it's pre '67 borders? Just curious to know your views on this. Thanks.
I don't have the right to say which countries have no right to exist. So my views on Israel are that the people in Israel have every right to be who they are. I have no idea what 67' borders are. Zionism is foreign to me. But I'm not against people in Israel being proud of where they came from. What was I supposed to say?
You can say anythign you want, Imerica.. :)..
But if you are a religious person and by religious it can also mean a spiritual Christian..you are what you eat. Christianity came from Judaism...so that's where it starts.
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Erica, I'm curious to know your views on Israel? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? Do you consider zionism to be a form of racism? Do you think Israel should return to it's pre '67 borders? Just curious to know your views on this. Thanks.
I don't have the right to say which countries have no right to exist. So my views on Israel are that the people in Israel have every right to be who they are. I have no idea what 67' borders are. Zionism is foreign to me. But I'm not against people in Israel being proud of where they came from. What was I supposed to say?
You can say anythign you want, Imerica.. :)..
But if you are a religious person and by religious it can also mean a spiritual Christian..you are what you eat. Christianity came from Judaism...so that's where it starts.
So it has, it dosen't give me the right to say that Israel dosen't deserve to be on the map. I only know of one Israeli. She's a doll of a girl and I was really good friends with her when we were in NY. I have nothing against her or any other Israeli.
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Erica, I'm curious to know your views on Israel? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? Do you consider zionism to be a form of racism? Do you think Israel should return to it's pre '67 borders? Just curious to know your views on this. Thanks.
I don't have the right to say which countries have no right to exist. So my views on Israel are that the people in Israel have every right to be who they are. I have no idea what 67' borders are. Zionism is foreign to me. But I'm not against people in Israel being proud of where they came from. What was I supposed to say?
You can say anythign you want, Imerica.. :)..
But if you are a religious person and by religious it can also mean a spiritual Christian..you are what you eat. Christianity came from Judaism...so that's where it starts.
So it has, it dosen't give me the right to say that Israel dosen't deserve to be on the map. I only know of one Israeli. She's a doll of a girl and I was really good friends with her when we were in NY. I have nothing against her or any other Israeli.
I'm not asking you about whether or not it is allowed to exist in your opinion...but you do follow a religion which came from Judaism. If you are interested to learn about us, this forum is your oyster. And as you gain knowledge you might have a better understanding of what our plight here is..i know tha tyou know what our plight is..but to understand it is another thing.
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I like that when good black people get together its all about encouraging one another to do good in our lives
e.g. to trade tips on how to get over
What also makes our culture is that we have the ability to snap back after a major catastrophy presents itself.
Yeah, we saw evidence of that after Katrina[see our recent video]
Our dances, our parties,
Often events that end up in bloodshed
our food
Heart attack,anyone?
our experiences and our pride
Need I continue?
Allen, you have a way of discrediting anything good in the black culture.
When I get together with my friends from my old neighborhood we don't talk about 'getting over' we talk about how we can better ourselves. For instance, I recently found my best friend since 3rd grade who I hadn't seen since we were Sophmores in high school... that was 17 years ago. She is in school just like I am and she's working toward her business degree. We, as well as my other friends, including my sister get together to encourage great things to happen in our lives. It works the same way in my house. I encourage my children to do better and my husband participates in the act of encouraging, also. I don't appreciate your assumption that black people congregate together to see how they can "get over".
I'm not a Katrina victim, nor am I representative of those blacks who lost their damned minds during the catastrophe. I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
As far as our dances are concerned... no one has ever been shot over dancing. Sorry to disappoint you. As for our parties, I'm not speaking of those parties that include static between gangs... are you assuming that I attend such parties? That's not fair. I'm speaking of parties where we're able to have a good time, dance til our heart's content and share a fun time with our family and friends. Weddings, birthdays, and just-because its' Friday parties. Its all about having a good time.
Our food... your response to that was sort of true but still negative. Over-doing it , just like with any other foods can cause high cholesterol and blood pressure in ANYONE. Moderation is key. YOU need to stop being so freaking negative. Have you EVER tasted my baked chicken? As a matter of fact, since you want to play, "I Know What Black People are Thinking", tell me some of the ingredients used in some of the soul food cooked nowadays. Without going to Google. Since you know everything about our culture.
Lastly, to some black people, our experience make us stronger and more knowlegable about our futures. My experience living in the projects made more humble, and made me not take life for granted. My experience with abuse made me a better person because I have girls to protect from it ever happening to them. My experience with bad men in my life made me appreciate the love of a GOOD man. YOU need to stop being so negative. period.
SInce you've never been to a party given by a black person/ family... since you've obviously ever eaten a morsel of food cooked by those of the 'darker persuasion'... since you wouldn't know a dance from the black culture (and I'm still catching up with that one).. and since you've never been in the position where you had to rob Peter to pay Paul to make ends meet and still come out of the situation fairly well, I don't think you're a good judge of what really goes on on the good side of black culture. I think you're either watching too many movies where blacks are the antagonists, or what. I do think you need to stop judging what you know nothing about.
You know nothing about me, except maybe what's in the Ottmers reports. In fact I have been in situations where if most black people were in the same situation they would justify stealing. Those are times my faith was strengthened most. See unlike in black churches where they just scream and yell, I have learned a thing or two in Bible believing churches and one of those things is God NEVER tempts us beyond what we can bare[1 Corinthians 10:13]. Turn off the Millie Jackson CDs and read your Bible more. You admit you stay willfully ignorant of what you don't want to know, "I ain't researching every persons religion" or something to that effect you said. I guess the reason most common sense white folks steer clear of ghettos is simply racism, not actual physical harm, right? Numbers don't lie. [censored] man are violent animals. You know nothing.
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Erica, I'm curious to know your views on Israel? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? Do you consider zionism to be a form of racism? Do you think Israel should return to it's pre '67 borders? Just curious to know your views on this. Thanks.
I don't have the right to say which countries have no right to exist. So my views on Israel are that the people in Israel have every right to be who they are. I have no idea what 67' borders are. Zionism is foreign to me. But I'm not against people in Israel being proud of where they came from. What was I supposed to say?
You can say anythign you want, Imerica.. :)..
But if you are a religious person and by religious it can also mean a spiritual Christian..you are what you eat. Christianity came from Judaism...so that's where it starts.
Danny,in many black churches, where often it's about screaming and yelling, the Pastor is a woman [unscriptural], and there is alot of false teaching, Israel and the promises to it are often "spiritualized" as meaning and referring to other people, not the Jews. Blacks hate Jews, period. The Jehovah Witnesses do this also.
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Erica, I'm curious to know your views on Israel? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? Do you consider zionism to be a form of racism? Do you think Israel should return to it's pre '67 borders? Just curious to know your views on this. Thanks.
I don't have the right to say which countries have no right to exist. So my views on Israel are that the people in Israel have every right to be who they are. I have no idea what 67' borders are. Zionism is foreign to me. But I'm not against people in Israel being proud of where they came from. What was I supposed to say?
You can say anythign you want, Imerica.. :)..
But if you are a religious person and by religious it can also mean a spiritual Christian..you are what you eat. Christianity came from Judaism...so that's where it starts.
Danny,in many black churches, where often it's about screaming and yelling, the Pastor is a woman [unscriptural], and there is alot of false teaching, Israel and the promises to it are often "spiritualized" as meaning and referring to other people, not the Jews. Blacks hate Jews, period. The Jehovah Witnesses do this also.
THen she needs to be guided to the Church which tells the truth.
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I like that when good black people get together its all about encouraging one another to do good in our lives
e.g. to trade tips on how to get over
What also makes our culture is that we have the ability to snap back after a major catastrophy presents itself.
Yeah, we saw evidence of that after Katrina[see our recent video]
Our dances, our parties,
Often events that end up in bloodshed
our food
Heart attack,anyone?
our experiences and our pride
Need I continue?
Allen, you have a way of discrediting anything good in the black culture.
When I get together with my friends from my old neighborhood we don't talk about 'getting over' we talk about how we can better ourselves. For instance, I recently found my best friend since 3rd grade who I hadn't seen since we were Sophmores in high school... that was 17 years ago. She is in school just like I am and she's working toward her business degree. We, as well as my other friends, including my sister get together to encourage great things to happen in our lives. It works the same way in my house. I encourage my children to do better and my husband participates in the act of encouraging, also. I don't appreciate your assumption that black people congregate together to see how they can "get over".
I'm not a Katrina victim, nor am I representative of those blacks who lost their damned minds during the catastrophe. I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
As far as our dances are concerned... no one has ever been shot over dancing. Sorry to disappoint you. As for our parties, I'm not speaking of those parties that include static between gangs... are you assuming that I attend such parties? That's not fair. I'm speaking of parties where we're able to have a good time, dance til our heart's content and share a fun time with our family and friends. Weddings, birthdays, and just-because its' Friday parties. Its all about having a good time.
Our food... your response to that was sort of true but still negative. Over-doing it , just like with any other foods can cause high cholesterol and blood pressure in ANYONE. Moderation is key. YOU need to stop being so freaking negative. Have you EVER tasted my baked chicken? As a matter of fact, since you want to play, "I Know What Black People are Thinking", tell me some of the ingredients used in some of the soul food cooked nowadays. Without going to Google. Since you know everything about our culture.
Lastly, to some black people, our experience make us stronger and more knowlegable about our futures. My experience living in the projects made more humble, and made me not take life for granted. My experience with abuse made me a better person because I have girls to protect from it ever happening to them. My experience with bad men in my life made me appreciate the love of a GOOD man. YOU need to stop being so negative. period.
SInce you've never been to a party given by a black person/ family... since you've obviously ever eaten a morsel of food cooked by those of the 'darker persuasion'... since you wouldn't know a dance from the black culture (and I'm still catching up with that one).. and since you've never been in the position where you had to rob Peter to pay Paul to make ends meet and still come out of the situation fairly well, I don't think you're a good judge of what really goes on on the good side of black culture. I think you're either watching too many movies where blacks are the antagonists, or what. I do think you need to stop judging what you know nothing about.
You know nothing about me, except maybe what's in the Ottmers reports. In fact I have been in situations where if most black people were in the same situation they would justify stealing. Those are times my faith was strengthened most. See unlike in black churches where they just scream and yell, I have learned a thing or two in Bible believing churches and one of those things is G-d NEVER tempts us beyond what we can bare[1 Corinthians 10:13]. Turn off the Millie Jackson CDs and read your Bible more. You admit you stay willfully ignorant of what you don't want to know, "I ain't researching every persons religion" or something to that effect you said. I guess the reason most common sense white folks steer clear of ghettos is simply racism, not actual physical harm, right? Numbers don't lie. schvartza man are violent animals. You know nothing.
First Afro Sheen, now Millie Jackson? You went way back.. most of the youngsters who are black don't even know who Millie is...I only know because I'm 33 years old.
I NEVER said I stay willfully ignorant of anything. I SAID I know what goes on and I recognize it as it is, but I can't give too much energy to saving people who dont' want to be saved. I'll work to help my girls and my future students along but I am NOT going to take responsibility for other grown people's negative actions. You've never read " I AIN'T" in any post I've ever typed here. NEVER. You're trying to make it seem as though I'm ignorant.
So its actually YOU who knows nothing. Especially when you come in after someone asks me to give the positives of black culture, spitting negativity and [censored] on the good things I treasure about the culture. The truth is that you know nothing about who the GOOD blacks are and what they're doing. You've never spent any time with them...I can tell because the first things your fingertips typed after the question to me was asked was "parties end in bloodshed". That, in itself shows your ignorance.
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Erica, I'm curious to know your views on Israel? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? Do you consider zionism to be a form of racism? Do you think Israel should return to it's pre '67 borders? Just curious to know your views on this. Thanks.
I don't have the right to say which countries have no right to exist. So my views on Israel are that the people in Israel have every right to be who they are. I have no idea what 67' borders are. Zionism is foreign to me. But I'm not against people in Israel being proud of where they came from. What was I supposed to say?
You can say anythign you want, Imerica.. :)..
But if you are a religious person and by religious it can also mean a spiritual Christian..you are what you eat. Christianity came from Judaism...so that's where it starts.
Danny,in many black churches, where often it's about screaming and yelling, the Pastor is a woman [unscriptural], and there is alot of false teaching, Israel and the promises to it are often "spiritualized" as meaning and referring to other people, not the Jews. Blacks hate Jews, period. The Jehovah Witnesses do this also.
There are blacks that hate Jews, Allen... but not every black person DOES. You and your generalizations are sickening. Jehovah's Witnesses aren't thinking about Jews on the level YOU'RE talking about. They follow a different doctrine, one that I don't follow which is why I left the church when I was 10.
And for your information, I lived next door to the church I attended as a teen and it was far from a screaming church. The congregation was black and so was the pastor. It was a Lutheran Church. As a member of the choir we sang gospel songs that moved people but no one ever SHOUTED at the church.
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Erica, I'm curious to know your views on Israel? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? Do you consider zionism to be a form of racism? Do you think Israel should return to it's pre '67 borders? Just curious to know your views on this. Thanks.
I don't have the right to say which countries have no right to exist. So my views on Israel are that the people in Israel have every right to be who they are. I have no idea what 67' borders are. Zionism is foreign to me. But I'm not against people in Israel being proud of where they came from. What was I supposed to say?
You can say anythign you want, Imerica.. :)..
But if you are a religious person and by religious it can also mean a spiritual Christian..you are what you eat. Christianity came from Judaism...so that's where it starts.
Danny,in many black churches, where often it's about screaming and yelling, the Pastor is a woman [unscriptural], and there is alot of false teaching, Israel and the promises to it are often "spiritualized" as meaning and referring to other people, not the Jews. Blacks hate Jews, period. The Jehovah Witnesses do this also.
THen she needs to be guided to the Church which tells the truth.
Thank you, Danny. I am letting God guide me to a church like that.
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
You'll grow a ZZ Top beard waiting for that one :D
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I gave you examples already. Obviously you aren't reading my responses.
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
There, Bullcat. Are you happy now? This was in a response I made to Allen, the one who just told you you'd be waiting a while for me to answer the question. Allen KNEW I answered this question.
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
There, Bullcat. Are you happy now? This was in a response I made to Allen, the one who just told you you'd be waiting a while for me to answer the question. Allen KNEW I answered this question.
I'm so glad that blacks can deal with the adverisity life hands them. I don't think that is specific to black people. That is not called 'snapping back' that is called being alive. The only time I expect to stop facing adversity head on is after I die. I think Allen T is right and I will grow a beard waiting for a real answer.
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
There, Bullcat. Are you happy now? This was in a response I made to Allen, the one who just told you you'd be waiting a while for me to answer the question. Allen KNEW I answered this question.
I'm so glad that blacks can deal with the adverisity life hands them. I don't think that is specific to black people. That is not called 'snapping back' that is called being alive. The only time I expect to stop facing adversity head on is after I die. I think Allen T is right and I will grow a beard waiting for a real answer.
You asked, and I answered. And it WASN'T THE ONLY EXAMPLE I GAVE... its the only example you stopped to comment on...like you do with the rest of my posts.
With all of the negativity you and I know exists in the black community, you'd think that my example of how blacks snap back from adversity someone would be half-way happy with the response. If you're looking for me to say "Duh, I don't know..." , I'm sorry to disappoint you.
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Erica, I'm curious to know your views on Israel? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? Do you consider zionism to be a form of racism? Do you think Israel should return to it's pre '67 borders? Just curious to know your views on this. Thanks.
I don't have the right to say which countries have no right to exist. So my views on Israel are that the people in Israel have every right to be who they are. I have no idea what 67' borders are. Zionism is foreign to me. But I'm not against people in Israel being proud of where they came from. What was I supposed to say?
I think that's a very fair and rational response. Thanks.
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
There, Bullcat. Are you happy now? This was in a response I made to Allen, the one who just told you you'd be waiting a while for me to answer the question. Allen KNEW I answered this question.
I'm so glad that blacks can deal with the adverisity life hands them. I don't think that is specific to black people. That is not called 'snapping back' that is called being alive. The only time I expect to stop facing adversity head on is after I die. I think Allen T is right and I will grow a beard waiting for a real answer.
Notice she only gives examples from within the context of a family. Big deal, even the dogs take care of their own. Doing for your family is no different than selfishly doing for yourself. When "catstrophe" hits blacks, e.g. large numbers of blacks collectively and team work and neighborly cooperation are required is the obvious context we are talking about Umerica.
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
There, Bullcat. Are you happy now? This was in a response I made to Allen, the one who just told you you'd be waiting a while for me to answer the question. Allen KNEW I answered this question.
I'm so glad that blacks can deal with the adverisity life hands them. I don't think that is specific to black people. That is not called 'snapping back' that is called being alive. The only time I expect to stop facing adversity head on is after I die. I think Allen T is right and I will grow a beard waiting for a real answer.
I hope you guys are joking! Cuz if you're not and you're being serious, then you're extremely ignorant! It's one thing to be politically incorrect, it's quite another to be just down right incorrect!
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
There, Bullcat. Are you happy now? This was in a response I made to Allen, the one who just told you you'd be waiting a while for me to answer the question. Allen KNEW I answered this question.
I'm so glad that blacks can deal with the adverisity life hands them. I don't think that is specific to black people. That is not called 'snapping back' that is called being alive. The only time I expect to stop facing adversity head on is after I die. I think Allen T is right and I will grow a beard waiting for a real answer.
Notice she only gives examples from within the context of a family. Big deal, even the dogs take care of their own. Doing for your family is no different than selfishly doing for yourself. When "catstrophe" hits blacks, e.g. large numbers of blacks collectively and team work and neighborly cooperation are required is the obvious context we are talking about Umerica.
What's the difference Allen? Teamwork exists in families as it does in the community. A community of people working together is also a family.
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Erica, I'm curious to know your views on Israel? Do you think Israel has a right to exist? Do you consider zionism to be a form of racism? Do you think Israel should return to it's pre '67 borders? Just curious to know your views on this. Thanks.
I don't have the right to say which countries have no right to exist. So my views on Israel are that the people in Israel have every right to be who they are. I have no idea what 67' borders are. Zionism is foreign to me. But I'm not against people in Israel being proud of where they came from. What was I supposed to say?
I think that's a very fair and rational response. Thanks.
No problem, Daniel. :)
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Very good answers Imerica to your last two posts... very good... :)
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
There, Bullcat. Are you happy now? This was in a response I made to Allen, the one who just told you you'd be waiting a while for me to answer the question. Allen KNEW I answered this question.
I'm so glad that blacks can deal with the adverisity life hands them. I don't think that is specific to black people. That is not called 'snapping back' that is called being alive. The only time I expect to stop facing adversity head on is after I die. I think Allen T is right and I will grow a beard waiting for a real answer.
Notice she only gives examples from within the context of a family. Big deal, even the dogs take care of their own. Doing for your family is no different than selfishly doing for yourself. When "catstrophe" hits blacks, e.g. large numbers of blacks collectively and team work and neighborly cooperation are required is the obvious context we are talking about Umerica.
What's the difference Allen? Teamwork exists in families as it does in the community. A community of people working together is also a family.
One demonstrates an extension of self interest and self preservation[within biological families,which exists amongst some blacks] and the other demonstrates unselfishness and idealism for the common good of the community and society which usually doesn't exist where there is a majority of blacks. In most places around the world where there is a majority black, chaos reigns. Here is a good explanation; http://masada2000.somebodyhelpme.info/JTF-02192003-South%20Africa.mp3
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
There, Bullcat. Are you happy now? This was in a response I made to Allen, the one who just told you you'd be waiting a while for me to answer the question. Allen KNEW I answered this question.
I'm so glad that blacks can deal with the adverisity life hands them. I don't think that is specific to black people. That is not called 'snapping back' that is called being alive. The only time I expect to stop facing adversity head on is after I die. I think Allen T is right and I will grow a beard waiting for a real answer.
I hope you guys are joking! Cuz if you're not and you're being serious, then you're extremely ignorant! It's one thing to be politically incorrect, it's quite another to be just down right incorrect!
Hey Daniel - Are you calling me ignorant? I haven't done that on this forum to anyone. I disagree with Imerica - I might not be a politically correct rocket scientist like yourself but I think I'm allowed to voice my opinion. Imerica is a really smart woman and she can have a discussion with me. In fact she does quite well defending her beliefs. ;)
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
There, Bullcat. Are you happy now? This was in a response I made to Allen, the one who just told you you'd be waiting a while for me to answer the question. Allen KNEW I answered this question.
I'm so glad that blacks can deal with the adverisity life hands them. I don't think that is specific to black people. That is not called 'snapping back' that is called being alive. The only time I expect to stop facing adversity head on is after I die. I think Allen T is right and I will grow a beard waiting for a real answer.
Notice she only gives examples from within the context of a family. Big deal, even the dogs take care of their own. Doing for your family is no different than selfishly doing for yourself. When "catstrophe" hits blacks, e.g. large numbers of blacks collectively and team work and neighborly cooperation are required is the obvious context we are talking about Umerica.
What's the difference Allen? Teamwork exists in families as it does in the community. A community of people working together is also a family.
One demonstrates an extension of self interest and self preservation[within biological families,which exists amongst some blacks] and the other demonstrates unselfishness and idealism for the common good of the community and society which usually doesn't exist where there is a majority of blacks. In most places around the world where there is a majority black, chaos reigns. Here is a good explanation; http://masada2000.somebodyhelpme.info/JTF-02192003-South%20Africa.mp3
Allen, there is stilll no difference. But I'll tell you this much, the way I read your post was as if you were saying that after a family member dies...say, the matriarch of the family, when the family pulls together to keep themselves together and not separated from each other ,they're doing it for selfish reasons. I know of one instance where a single mom died from breast cancer. She had 4 children , ranging in the ages of 9-17. After she died, the 17 year old assumed responsibility of her brothers and sisters and became a serrogate mom to them. She kept them out of the system. Then later, adopted her brothers and sisters as her own children. At the same time, she was able to go to prom, graduate high school, attend college and work to support them. That's only one example but I assume you get the picture. She wasn't SELFISH...she was SELFLESS. She could have shirked the responsibility altogether but because she cared about what life would be like for her siblings in an alternate situation, she had to do what she had to do.
As for the community family, there is the same amount of selflessness. People, who participate in the action of keeping their community strong often don't think about themselves. Their focus is mainly on the children of the community and how the positivity can/will affect them. That's selflessness, for you.
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
But as I see it Imerica - it is only the minority of blacks who exhibit this behavior anyway.
I can see Allen T's view point.
It is human nature to protect your own. Your own family especially.
Why do you consider that an outstanding characteristic of 'black culture'?
What I don't understand is why more people in general don't exhibit this behavior.
It is only right and human.
If I could not provide all the best materially for my family - I would do my best to have a happy, safe and clean home. It would not be a 'miracle' event.
Yet - You have a right to be proud - for whatever reason. :)
OK - Daniel - was the last line PC or correct enough for you. ;)
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
But as I see it Imerica - it is only the minority of blacks who exhibit this behavior anyway.
I can see Allen T's view point.
It is human nature to protect your own. Your own family especially.
Why do you consider that an outstanding characteristic of 'black culture'?
What I don't understand is why more people in general don't exhibit this behavior.
It is only right and human.
If I could not provide all the best materially for my family - I would do my best to have a happy, safe and clean home. It would not be a 'miracle' event.
Yet - You have a right to be proud - for whatever reason. :)
OK - Daniel - was the last line PC or correct enough for you. ;)
I consider this an outstanding characteristic of black culture because from the beginning we have been slighted to be the least motivated, the least likely to succeed, the least likely to care in situations like these. But note that I didn't ONLY use this as an example of the great things in black culture.
I'd like for some of you to offer some of the good things you know for yourself about black American culture. Serious answers please. No name-calling and absolutely no cheekiness. Just answer the question straight out.
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What about all the great music that has come from black American culture.
Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald - Sammy Davis and of course Nat King Cole.
I'm sure people have some better examples - but I love the artists I mentioned.
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What about all the great music that has come from black American culture.
Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald - Sammy Davis and of course Nat King Cole.
I'm sure people have some better examples - but I love the artists I mentioned.
Yes, that's really about it. A plethora of musical genius. I liked when SDJ played the radical priest on the Mod Squad too ;)
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I'm still waiting for examples of 'the ability to snap back after a major catastrophe"
I'm speaking of deaths in the family, (For example, I've heard of many families who've lost their parents to death and the oldest of the children resume responsibility of taking care of her/his brothers and sisters just to make sure they were all together.) I'm also speaking of being able to make miracles during Christmas, and Thanksgiving when there is hardly any food in the house. Things of that nature. Catastrophies aren't only based on natural disasters, Allen.
There, Bullcat. Are you happy now? This was in a response I made to Allen, the one who just told you you'd be waiting a while for me to answer the question. Allen KNEW I answered this question.
I'm so glad that blacks can deal with the adverisity life hands them. I don't think that is specific to black people. That is not called 'snapping back' that is called being alive. The only time I expect to stop facing adversity head on is after I die. I think Allen T is right and I will grow a beard waiting for a real answer.
Notice she only gives examples from within the context of a family. Big deal, even the dogs take care of their own. Doing for your family is no different than selfishly doing for yourself. When "catstrophe" hits blacks, e.g. large numbers of blacks collectively and team work and neighborly cooperation are required is the obvious context we are talking about Umerica.
What's the difference Allen? Teamwork exists in families as it does in the community. A community of people working together is also a family.
One demonstrates an extension of self interest and self preservation[within biological families,which exists amongst some blacks] and the other demonstrates unselfishness and idealism for the common good of the community and society which usually doesn't exist where there is a majority of blacks. In most places around the world where there is a majority black, chaos reigns. Here is a good explanation; http://masada2000.somebodyhelpme.info/JTF-02192003-South%20Africa.mp3
Allen, there is stilll no difference. But I'll tell you this much, the way I read your post was as if you were saying that after a family member dies...say, the matriarch of the family, when the family pulls together to keep themselves together and not separated from each other ,they're doing it for selfish reasons. I know of one instance where a single mom died from breast cancer. She had 4 children , ranging in the ages of 9-17. After she died, the 17 year old assumed responsibility of her brothers and sisters and became a serrogate mom to them. She kept them out of the system. Then later, adopted her brothers and sisters as her own children. At the same time, she was able to go to prom, graduate high school, attend college and work to support them. That's only one example but I assume you get the picture. She wasn't SELFISH...she was SELFLESS. She could have shirked the responsibility altogether but because she cared about what life would be like for her siblings in an alternate situation, she had to do what she had to do.
As for the community family, there is the same amount of selflessness. People, who participate in the action of keeping their community strong often don't think about themselves. Their focus is mainly on the children of the community and how the positivity can/will affect them. That's selflessness, for you.
What I said is meant to be understood in the context of the following Bible verses; If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. Luke 6:32 or "If you then, though you are evil,know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! Matthew 7:11.
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What about all the great music that has come from black American culture.
Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald - Sammy Davis and of course Nat King Cole.
I'm sure people have some better examples - but I love the artists I mentioned.
Yes, that's really about it. A plethora of musical genius. I liked when SDJ played the radical priest on the Mod Squad too ;)
You're too funny Allen T.
8) Mod Squad.
What is sad is I'm old enough to remember Mod Squad. :(
Anyway - I did my best. ;) I got nothing else.
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What about all the great music that has come from black American culture.
Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald - Sammy Davis and of course Nat King Cole.
I'm sure people have some better examples - but I love the artists I mentioned.
Yes, that's really about it. A plethora of musical genius. I liked when SDJ played the radical priest on the Mod Squad too ;)
You're too funny Allen T.
8) Mod Squad.
What is sad is I'm old enough to remember Mod Squad. :(
Anyway - I did my best. ;) I got nothing else.
My wife keeps telling me there is an episode of All In The Family where the JDL is mentioned, but I don't recall, does anyone?
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It isnt the JDL its something like the Hebrew Defense Group, but its a obvious referance to the JDL
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What about all the great music that has come from black American culture.
Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald - Sammy Davis and of course Nat King Cole.
I'm sure people have some better examples - but I love the artists I mentioned.
Yes, that's really about it. A plethora of musical genius. I liked when SDJ played the radical priest on the Mod Squad too ;)
You're too funny Allen T.
8) Mod Squad.
What is sad is I'm old enough to remember Mod Squad. :(
Anyway - I did my best. ;) I got nothing else.
Wow. Nothing else but music from the 50's, huh? LOL This is the reason why you can only focus on the negative side of black culture... because its all you know. I'll have you know that music is a great example. I'm a connoisseur of music and actually collect LP's. My oldest album is from Stevie Wonder "I Was Made To Love Her"... (1967). I also have an album by "Nero" which dates back to 1964. (its not black music but its interesting).
As for all of the other good things about our culture..I'll say that not only music from the 50's are good but black music and white artists who have contributed to making R&B what it is, from the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and even today.
I love our hair styles. Since I only have girls, I braid a lot of hair...I'm still braiding my 15 yo's hair. The styles are just incredible...and its easy to do if you have the patience. One day, I'll go to cosmotology school to learn the art of cutting and styling. The food, which I mentioned before is fantastic. How creative we are when we interact with our children is great too. I love the dances also. I posted Youtube vids of some of the dances I'm speaking of, I don't think anyone watched them...probably because they think that I posted what MarZutra posted with the black teen doing this nasty dance on a coffee table. That's not black culture. Its a fad that's really inappropriate.
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What about all the great music that has come from black American culture.
Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald - Sammy Davis and of course Nat King Cole.
I'm sure people have some better examples - but I love the artists I mentioned.
Yes, that's really about it. A plethora of musical genius. I liked when SDJ played the radical priest on the Mod Squad too ;)
You're too funny Allen T.
8) Mod Squad.
What is sad is I'm old enough to remember Mod Squad. :(
Anyway - I did my best. ;) I got nothing else.
My wife keeps telling me there is an episode of All In The Family where the JDL is mentioned, but I don't recall, does anyone?
I'm sure there is. All In The Family wasn't short on discussing matters of culture.. JDL may have very well been mentioned.
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What about all the great music that has come from black American culture.
Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald - Sammy Davis and of course Nat King Cole.
I'm sure people have some better examples - but I love the artists I mentioned.
Yes, that's really about it. A plethora of musical genius. I liked when SDJ played the radical priest on the Mod Squad too ;)
You're too funny Allen T.
8) Mod Squad.
What is sad is I'm old enough to remember Mod Squad. :(
Anyway - I did my best. ;) I got nothing else.
What about all the great music that has come from black American culture.
Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald - Sammy Davis and of course Nat King Cole.
I'm sure people have some better examples - but I love the artists I mentioned.
Yes their are many Fats Waller, Dinah Washington, The Mills Brothers, Alberta Hunter, Brook Benton. Credit where credit is due Imerica. They were all great !!
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What about all the great music that has come from black American culture.
Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald - Sammy Davis and of course Nat King Cole.
I'm sure people have some better examples - but I love the artists I mentioned.
Yes, that's really about it. A plethora of musical genius. I liked when SDJ played the radical priest on the Mod Squad too ;)
You're too funny Allen T.
8) Mod Squad.
What is sad is I'm old enough to remember Mod Squad. :(
Anyway - I did my best. ;) I got nothing else.
What about all the great music that has come from black American culture.
Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald - Sammy Davis and of course Nat King Cole.
I'm sure people have some better examples - but I love the artists I mentioned.
Yes their are many Fats Waller, Dinah Washington, The Mills Brothers, Alberta Hunter, Brook Benton. Credit where credit is due Imerica. They were all great !!
When we go back home, I'm going to ask my grandmother if I could look through/ or even take some of the albums my grandfather collected over the years. I'm sure that he had Dinah Washington in the collection.
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Imerica, You should look for them you will enjoy Dinah very much she is a blues and jazz artist and she is very relaxing to listen to. Alberta Hunter is a very obscure artist but she is also one of my favorites. The thing I like about all the artists on my list is they were all great personalities and had great stories to go along with their talent. I actually saw the last surviving Mills brother do a show along with his son in Atlantic City some years back. Fats Waller was just larger than life. Brook Benton and Dinah Washington did an album together that is really one of a kind.
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Imerica, You should look for them you will enjoy Dinah very much she is a blues and jazz artist and she is very relaxing to listen to. Alberta Hunter is a very obscure artist but she is also one of my favorites. The thing I like about all the artists on my list is they were all great personalities and had great stories to go along with their talent. I actually saw the last surviving Mills brother do a show along with his son in Atlantic City some years back. Fats Waller was just larger than life. Brook Benton and Dinah Washington did an album together that is really one of a kind.
I've heard Dinah's music before. My dad use to listen to her all of the time. That's why I love music so much. I even endulge in Soft Rock... Christopher Cross, Gino Vanelli, Phil Collins, America, Boz Scaggs, anyone with music I can enjoy comfortably, I'll listen to.
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What about all the great music that has come from black American culture.
Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald - Sammy Davis and of course Nat King Cole.
I'm sure people have some better examples - but I love the artists I mentioned.
Yes, that's really about it. A plethora of musical genius. I liked when SDJ played the radical priest on the Mod Squad too ;)
You're too funny Allen T.
8) Mod Squad.
What is sad is I'm old enough to remember Mod Squad. :(
Anyway - I did my best. ;) I got nothing else.
Wow. Nothing else but music from the 50's, huh? LOL This is the reason why you can only focus on the negative side of black culture... because its all you know. I'll have you know that music is a great example. I'm a connoisseur of music and actually collect LP's. My oldest album is from Stevie Wonder "I Was Made To Love Her"... (1967). I also have an album by "Nero" which dates back to 1964. (its not black music but its interesting).
As for all of the other good things about our culture..I'll say that not only music from the 50's are good but black music and white artists who have contributed to making R&B what it is, from the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and even today.
I love our hair styles. Since I only have girls, I braid a lot of hair...I'm still braiding my 15 yo's hair. The styles are just incredible...and its easy to do if you have the patience. One day, I'll go to cosmotology school to learn the art of cutting and styling. The food, which I mentioned before is fantastic. How creative we are when we interact with our children is great too. I love the dances also. I posted Youtube vids of some of the dances I'm speaking of, I don't think anyone watched them...probably because they think that I posted what MarZutra posted with the black teen doing this nasty dance on a coffee table. That's not black culture. Its a fad that's really inappropriate.
Funkadelic[Westbound era only], Ohio Players[Westbound era only], Betty Davis[1st & 2nd funk masterpieces just reissued on Light In The Attic],Voices Of East Harlem, Elmore James, Weldon Irvine, Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Charles Lloyd, Byard Lancaster, Sonny Sharrock, Staple Singers, Rotary Connection, Ike & Tina, BT Express, Archie Shepp,Junior Parker, Marzette Watts, Rufus Thomas, Roy Ayers Ubiquity, Curtis Knight, Boogaloo Joe Jones, Bernard "Pretty" Purdie, Lou Donaldson, Charles Wright & The Watts 110st Band, Mahalia Jackson, Linda Jones[Hyptnotised-The greatest female soul singer EVER], Marva Whitney, Lee Dorsey, The Meters, Junior and His Soulettes,Vicki Anderson, Screaming Jay Hawkins,Sister Rosetta Tharpe,etc.
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Oh yeah, I thought of something else, Pam Grier movies :o :o