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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Irish Zionist on October 27, 2010, 04:38:10 PM
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/196752
The Israel Forum for International Humanitarian Aid (IsraAID) announced on Wednesday that it will send a team to Haiti to fight the cholera outbreak, which so far has taken the lives of almost 300 people.
Haiti suffered a major earthquake a year ago which led to worsening health conditions.
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I think it's wonderful how Israel helps people worldwide. However the people of Haiti won't be grateful for the help.
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I think it's wonderful how Israel helps people worldwide. However the people of Haiti won't be grateful for the help.
Sad but very true! I wonder what Israel will be accused of trying to steal from the so called poor people of Haiti this time :o.... One thing for sure it won't be their brain. :::D
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Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
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Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
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Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Sadly something is honestly lacking in the Haitian people... Even simple cleanup of the dead bodies and earthquake rubble seems to be a complex issue for them all this time later... They really are quite hopeless without outside help.
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Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Sadly something is honestly lacking in the Haitian people... Even simple cleanup of the dead bodies and earthquake rubble seems to be a complex issue for them all this time later... They really are quite hopeless without outside help.
So they aren't even worthy to be called humans because they are helpless?
I hope you understand that in order for there to be smart people, there has to be stupid people. In order for there to be rich people, there has to be poor people. In order for there to be rich Western countries, there always has to be other country who are very poor and helpless, because this is not Communism and every country isn't equal. Haiti happens to be the poorest country in the Western hemisphere. We should hope that they improve and not use racial terms against them.
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Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Sadly something is honestly lacking in the Haitian people... Even simple cleanup of the dead bodies and earthquake rubble seems to be a complex issue for them all this time later... They really are quite hopeless without outside help.
So they aren't even worthy to be called humans because they are helpless?
I hope you understand that in order for there to be smart people, there has to be stupid people. In order for there to be rich people, there has to be poor people. In order for there to be rich Western countries, there always has to be other country who are very poor and helpless, because this is not Communism and every country isn't equal. Haiti happens to be the poorest country in the Western hemisphere. We should hope that they improve and not use racial terms against them.
Well since you want to push the issue I will show my hand... They are worse then animals and anything sent there to help them is a complete loss of time and effort. It's not a question of being the best or worse it a question of being a waste of life. The more you know about them the worse the picture gets. I was trying not to get into it but giving them victim status is only enabling the situation.
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Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Hey now! That was completely uncalled for!
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Well you said "subhumans". I'm pretty sure they're humans according to genetic science.
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Well you said "subhumans". I'm pretty sure they're humans according to genetic science.
"Subhuman" means they are not civilized.
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I think it's wonderful how Israel helps people worldwide. However the people of Haiti won't be grateful for the help.
Sad but very true! I wonder what Israel will be accused of trying to steal from the so called poor people of Haiti this time :o.... One thing for sure it won't be their brain. :::D
I don't know, maybe they will say they would be as smart as the Israelis and be able to cure their own cholera if only the Israelis hadn't used a stupid ray on them. ;D
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Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Please refrain from personal insults. They're not allowed on this forum. If you disagree with someone explain why in a civilized manner without attacking them personally, unless they're clearly a troll.
Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Hey now! That was completely uncalled for!
You're right, it was completely uncalled for.
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No good has come from the Jews helping the shvugs! Haven't we learned this by 2010?
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No good has come from the Jews helping the shvugs! Haven't we learned this by 2010?
Good point.
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Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Please refrain from personal insults. They're not allowed on this forum. If you disagree with someone explain why in a civilized manner without attacking them personally, unless they're clearly a troll.
Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Hey now! That was completely uncalled for!
You're right, it was completely uncalled for.
Thank you, Ruby. It wasn't even funny.
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The phrase "No good deed goes unpunished" applies to the Israeli's whenever they try and help people. Not that the Israeli's are trying to buy good will, but it would be nice if they got some. And they never seem to get any good will after putting themselves out for others.
And, by the way, couldn't a cholera outbreak have been predicted and couldn't something have been done to prevent it in the first place?
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Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Please show some respect to other JTF members, that is completley uncalled for.
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I understand that one can be shocked by the expression "sub-humans". Besides, the analogy to Hitler is not far-fetched because that's one of the ways Nazis referred to several "non-Aryan races".
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They are worse then animals
What do you mean by that ? And what should be done to them according to you ?
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Well you said "subhumans". I'm pretty sure they're humans according to genetic science.
"Subhuman" means they are not civilized.
Nazis were very civilized Germans. They were educated, they listened to beautiful music and they had a very developed country. And yet they were very barbaric. There are civilized beasts.
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The Communist dictators of Israel are the vilest enemies of the Jewish people. They're more similiar to the Nazis than the Arabs - Arabs may have eternal Nazi hatred for the Jews but they don't have the brains the Nazis had. The Communist kikes have both.
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We are supposed to be a light onto other nations. And im happy we already help people all around the world. such a small country full of entrepeneurship,inventions and brainy jews have helped the world.
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I understand that one can be shocked by the expression "sub-humans". Besides, the analogy to Hitler is not far-fetched because that's one of the ways Nazis referred to several "non-Aryan races".
As in the "Untermensch".
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They are worse then animals
What do you mean by that ? And what should be done to them according to you ?
Did I stutter? The sentence is quite plain! WORSE THAN ANIMALS!! I honestly don't care whats done with them as long as they keep them in Haiti where they belong... France and the Catholic church tried to civilize them to some extent... They prefer to stick to their black magic and chicken foot voodoo... What can I tell you... If your so concerned about them you should take some of them in and see what fine creatures they are first hand for yourself :::D
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Well you said "subhumans". I'm pretty sure they're humans according to genetic science.
"Subhuman" means they are not civilized.
Nazis were very civilized Germans. They were educated, they listened to beautiful music and they had a very developed country. And yet they were very barbaric. There are civilized beasts.
Still they were no better than the Arabs. Just because they lived in a civilized country does not mean they are civilized.
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Well you said "subhumans". I'm pretty sure they're humans according to genetic science.
"Subhuman" means they are not civilized.
Nazis were very civilized Germans. They were educated, they listened to beautiful music and they had a very developed country. And yet they were very barbaric. There are civilized beasts.
Still they were no better than the Arabs. Just because they lived in a civilized country does not mean they are civilized.
I think you missed the point of his posting. Germany was THE MOST civilized country in the world at the time. They had the best Theatre, Food, Philosophy, Scientific discoveries, etc.... There is no way you can say that Germans were not the most civilized people in the world at the time... The point is that being civilized does not make a person righteous...
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Are there not Jews in Israel who are also suffering who could use this aid themselves?
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Are there not Jews in Israel who are also suffering who could use this aid themselves?
I don't think that many are suffering from Cholera... I hope not..
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Within a few seconds I came across a dire situation in Israel which needs finances [which are instead being wasted on a foreign country!].
Gas masks, and bomb shelters:
From Carl in Jerusalem,
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2010/10/40-of-israelis-still-wont-have-gas.html
40% of Israelis still won't have gas masks by the end of '12
Remember how I told you that we considered ourselves lucky because Mrs. Carl got us gas masks? Remember how I told you that the government only had enough gas masks for 70% of the population? Well, it's getting worse. The production line is being shut down, and when all the gas masks currently being produced are distributed - by the end of 2012 - 40% of the population still won't have gas masks.
A report presented by Home Front Command Chief Major-General Yair Golan to the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Thursday shows that when the current order of protection kits is completed, the production lines will close. In order to reopen them, the price of each kit would have to be doubled.
Meanwhile, gas masks that are designed for those with beards will not be distributed to bearded individuals but to those with breathing problems, since their production costs twice as much as the production of regular masks. As a results, bearded Israelis will have to shave their beards off if a war breaks.
There's also a problem with shelters.
Also according to the report, 24% of the population does not have access to protected spaces such as bomb shelters. About 40% of existing bomb shelters are not in usable condition. In addition to shelter repair, the Home Front Command is requesting to reinforce stairwells of buildings to increase security. It would take NIS 230 million (roughly $60 million) annually to bridge the budget gap and conduct the necessary restorations.
"It is a serious problem, but this is a budget gap," Golan said. "It's not right to reinforce the security of a classroom in a city, and not reinforce security in a classroom in an adjacent town. The Home Front Command maintenance budget was reduced by 25% since 2008."
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"There is a significant gap between the preparedness of the ministries in Jerusalem and their branches nationwide," he said."At 60% of the local authorities there are no command centers that are supposed to manage emergency procedures."
Moreover, siren systems that are designed to warn residents if a missile is headed their way are also in disrepair, but Golan said that an alert can be circulated through the radio, television and text messages.
Well, yes, except for those segments of the population that don't have radio or television and don't have cell phones that can send and receive text messages. But those people aren't reading this anyway, because they don't have internet access either.
What could go wrong?
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Are there not Jews in Israel who are also suffering who could use this aid themselves?
I agree. This Tikkun Olam (repairing the world) stuff is nonsense. The Jews have enough problems. They don't need to be going off to some third-world cesspool to help people who will never appreciate it. And Haiti will remain a cesspool no matter how much help they receive.
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Are there not Jews in Israel who are also suffering who could use this aid themselves?
I agree. This Tikkun Olam (repairing the world) stuff is nonsense. The Jews have enough problems. They don't need to be going off to some third-world cesspool to help people who will never appreciate it. And Haiti will remain a cesspool no matter how much help they receive.
Who are you to say that Tikkun Olam is nonsense? That is ridiculous...
Tikkun Olam is an integral part of the Jewish faith. You cannot just arbitrarily decide that it is nonsense. Maybe it is because you have a distorted view of what Tikkun Olam is. This is understandable because the term has been hijacked by the liberals and leftists. But there is a very important lesson in the concept of Tikkun Olam, and by discounting it like you do you are doing a great disservice to the beliefs of many good religious Jews.
I have posted before what the Orthodox concept of Tikkun Olam is. If you are interested I can post more concerning this concept.
http://www.ou.org/public/Publib/tikkun.htm
http://www.jewishideas.org/articles/tikkun-olams-practical-meaning-and-potential-signif
http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2007/05/04/the-hijacking-of-tikkun-olam/
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I'm curious about something. Supposing, G-d forbid, a huge tsunami flooded Israel (or imagine some other horrible tragedy -- like cholera, or an earthquake, etc.). Besides the U.S., what countries would come to Israel's aid? And do you think that, in America, there would be a prime-time show on many networks to raise money to help the Israeli's?
This has nothing to do with whether Israel should aid Haiti or not. I was just wondering what the consensus here is regarding who would help Israel besides the U.S.
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I'm curious about something. Supposing, G-d forbid, a huge tsunami flooded Israel (or imagine some other horrible tragedy -- like cholera, or an earthquake, etc.). Besides the U.S., what countries would come to Israel's aid? And do you think that, in America, there would be a prime-time show on many networks to raise money to help the Israeli's?
This has nothing to do with whether Israel should aid Haiti or not. I was just wondering what the consensus here is regarding who would help Israel besides the U.S.
That is a good question. I do not know the answer.
I do hope that Israel takes care of Israelis first and the rest of the world second. I too fear that this kind of aide may be better spent on protecting the Jewish population from the threat of chemical war.
But if the Israelis have taken care of their own, then as Jews they should lend help to others in need. This is how I view my own personal responsibility to Tzedakah.
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Are there not Jews in Israel who are also suffering who could use this aid themselves?
I agree. This Tikkun Olam (repairing the world) stuff is nonsense. The Jews have enough problems. They don't need to be going off to some third-world cesspool to help people who will never appreciate it. And Haiti will remain a cesspool no matter how much help they receive.
Tikkun Olam = Elimination of Jewish pain in the world, and then elimination of the plight of others. In the process of healing the Jewish People's suffering, as a light to the nations, other communities may emulate the Jews... Catholics making sure there is no Catholic plight, Buddhists taking care of Buddhists, Righteous Gentile to Righteous Gentile, etc.... [I do wonder with skepticism about Atheists truly working for the Atheists] from my observations Mormons do an excellent job of taking care of other Mormons. -- In the end if everyone emulated the ideal Jewish World there were be much less suffering in the world to repair. The Jewish population most certainly has the financial capability of making sure no Jew is in poverty and to curb the suffering of those with diseases or disabilities [this should happen naturally as a part of Ahavat Yisroel, one of the major philosophies Rav Kahane taught; perhaps the very most important!]. Unfortunately many Jews, including the Bolshevik gov;t of Israel, seem to think that impressing the Gentile so they love the Jew is a priority. -- In America Jews [many elderly, or those from an Ultra Orthodox background, and others], while being extremely successful in so many aspects in an enormous ratio for their slice of the population, are also some of the most impoverished people who suffer poverty twice over [first the poverty, second for being stereotyped as rich international bankers, doctors, lawyers, etc.] Despite being much more of a minority than blacks or Hispanics, Jews are skipped over for help as a minority by Leftists [which really emphasizes how much the Jew should be helping the Jew! Unfortunately many Jews put Leftism far before Judaism and may never have even heard of Ahavat Yisroel!].
Tikkun Olam, in the True Torah way [as advocated by the beloved Rav Kahane!] is a very worthwhile cause. When the Jew turns his back on the Jew who suffers... it is not Judaism.
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Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Don't you have some premarital sex to promote, troll?
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Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Don't you have some premarital sex to promote, troll?
And your point is ? I'm sorry, I've missed it.
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Israel needs PR, and helping poor schwatzes is very good for PR. So I support it.
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Israel needs PR,
Says who?
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Israel needs PR, and helping poor schwatzes is very good for PR. So I support it.
Watch this video and say that again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGLPZdhoh14&p=563ECB64644E81F8&playnext=1&index=16
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Israel needs strength a lot more than it needs PR
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Israel needs PR, and helping poor schwatzes is very good for PR. So I support it.
Watch this video and say that again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGLPZdhoh14&p=563ECB64644E81F8&playnext=1&index=16
Youtube video with 4K views including me and you :laugh:. And here CNN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snH738Umhqc
ABC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkmV4NOEOc8
CBS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a12xEC4MnBg
Fox:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3yTptugzPI
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Israel needs PR,
Says who?
South Africa was defeated through PR. Israel's enemies are trying to do same with Israel today. We need counter PR. And sending some help to Haiti gives much better PR than useless ministry of propaganda by Yuli Edelstein.
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Amit, 100% of Muslims give Muslims a bad name
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South Africa was defeated because South African whites wanted to "fit in" with the world. No other reason.
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South Africa was defeated because South African whites wanted to "fit in" with the world. No other reason.
They wanted to "fit in" because of the successful PR company for discreditation and isolation of ZA.
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South Africa was defeated because South African whites wanted to "fit in" with the world. No other reason.
They wanted to "fit in" because of the successful PR company for discreditation and isolation of ZA.
They wanted to "fit in" because they were brainwashed to believe "fitting in" meant doing what the "international community" demands. Jews and Righteous Gentiles need to realize fitting in means doing what Hashem commands. Until that is realized, Jews are just wasting there time fighting a PR war whose terms have been set-up by our enemies!
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South Africa was defeated because South African whites wanted to "fit in" with the world. No other reason.
They wanted to "fit in" because of the successful PR company for discreditation and isolation of ZA.
They wanted to "fit in" because they were brainwashed to believe "fitting in" meant doing what the "international community" demands. Jews and Righteous Gentiles need to realize fitting in means doing what Hashem commands. Until that is realized, Jews are just wasting there time fighting a PR war whose terms have been set-up by our enemies!
+1
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hasnt Israel done enough for these haitians?? what's this new fetish Israel has with helping blacks... Haiti, Darfurians, black hebrews, whats next..
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I find it hard to understand why most posters are so angry at Israel sending a team to Haiti.
I am completely opposed to Israel helping her ennemies, but Haiti is not an ennemy of Israel, is it ? What harm has Haiti done to Israel ? If there is something I don't know about this, please somebody tell me.
I would also be against sending a team if that was very costly, because then it would breach the principle that Jews should help their fellow Jews first. But, correct me if I'm wrong, that shouldn't be expensive. And Israeli medical experts will benefit by acquiring experience on the ground.
I would also be against sending a team if what has happened to Haiti was a fair punishment. But most of the 300,000 dead Haitians during the earthquake were just ordinary people who did not particularly deserve to die in such a cruel way, weren't they ?
So why be so angry at Israel sending a team out there ? To be honest, I don't really care about Haiti but, hey, cholera is a horrible epidemic, and these are human beings. Don't we Jews have a notion of humanity ? If we can help, knowing that it won't be a burden on us, why not do it ?
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I find it hard to understand why most posters are so angry at Israel sending a team to Haiti.
I am completely opposed to Israel helping her ennemies, but Haiti is not an ennemy of Israel, is it ? What harm has Haiti done to Israel ? If there is something I don't know about this, please somebody tell me.
I would also be against sending a team if that was very costly, because then it would breach the principle that Jews should help their fellow Jews first. But, correct me if I'm wrong, that shouldn't be expensive. And Israeli medical experts will benefit by acquiring experience on the ground.
I would also be against sending a team if what has happened to Haiti was a fair punishment. But most of the 300,000 dead Haitians during the earthquake were just ordinary people who did not particularly deserve to die in such a cruel way, weren't they ?
So why be so angry at Israel sending a team out there ? To be honest, I don't really care about Haiti but, hey, cholera is a horrible epidemic, and these are human beings. Don't we Jews have a notion of humanity ? If we can help, knowing that it won't be a burden on us, why not do it ?
I don't know how to answer. The problem is, Yaakov, you think those Haitians will be grateful like you would be if someone helped you. But the fact is, the last time Israel helped them, Jews were accused for organ harvesting.
Yes, those blacks are human beings who need help, but if dog bites your hand while feeding him, would you still do it? I'm not sure, maybe someone wiser should answer. Chaim, for example.
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I find it hard to understand why most posters are so angry at Israel sending a team to Haiti.
I am completely opposed to Israel helping her ennemies, but Haiti is not an ennemy of Israel, is it ? What harm has Haiti done to Israel ? If there is something I don't know about this, please somebody tell me.
I would also be against sending a team if that was very costly, because then it would breach the principle that Jews should help their fellow Jews first. But, correct me if I'm wrong, that shouldn't be expensive. And Israeli medical experts will benefit by acquiring experience on the ground.
I would also be against sending a team if what has happened to Haiti was a fair punishment. But most of the 300,000 dead Haitians during the earthquake were just ordinary people who did not particularly deserve to die in such a cruel way, weren't they ?
So why be so angry at Israel sending a team out there ? To be honest, I don't really care about Haiti but, hey, cholera is a horrible epidemic, and these are human beings. Don't we Jews have a notion of humanity ? If we can help, knowing that it won't be a burden on us, why not do it ?
Why should Jews [who have a TINY State] have their tax money go to people who cannot and will do nothing to protect Jews from Muslim chemical attacks which are highly likely to occur in the future?!? Why should an old poor Jewish woman be told she is out of luck for medical treatment because Israel has given funds away to a 3rd world savage country [which Haiti may be the pinnacle of]?!? -- If money was not a factor, sure, why not help others, as it is not, Jews must NOT be sacrificed for non-Jews [why are the giant population of Blacks of the world, which outnumber whites, coming to the rescue instead... Ahavat Negroe?].
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Youtube video with 4K views including me and you :laugh:.
How is the number of views relevant again?
And here CNN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snH738Umhqc
ABC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkmV4NOEOc8
CBS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a12xEC4MnBg
Fox:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3yTptugzPI
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Wow. So the Israeli communist regime knows how to treat 3rd world Jew haters and steal Jewish tax payers' money meant to be spent for fellow Jews - on their enemies.
You know what, you convinced me. We need to be the good Jooouish servants of Jew-hating baboons that we could use to help poor Jews in Israel and for military on our enemies.
I don't see the difference between that and giving Jewish money to our butchers from Gaza.
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South Africa was defeated through PR.
Bullcrap. South Africa was defeated through cultural warfare - the whites of South Africa abolished the Apartheid regime because they were brainwashed into believing it is wrong and destroyed the best regime South Africa could have for both whites and blacks. the same way Jewish and Gentiles in israel and the United States are brainwashed into believing Israel has no right to exist and that the only way they could "save" themeselves from their "racism" and "fanaticism" and "imperialism" is to commit suicide.
The ANC played a great role in convincing them to surrender, but not public relations.
Israel's enemies are trying to do same with Israel today. We need counter PR. And sending some help to Haiti gives much better PR than useless ministry of propaganda by Yuli Edelstein.
Let's translate:
"good public relations" - the Gentile loves us, looks at us as good servants who will never dare to question his authority and demands for Jewish blood and suicide.
We need to convince the Gentile that we're animals that need to have mercy on in order to survive. The best example of inferiority complex.
"bad public relations" - we show strength and indepdence, we defeat, expel and destroy the Arabs thus causing fear and honor for Jews around the globe, honor that is translated into military deals and indepdent economy (as shown after 1956, 1967 and 1973 when our "great friend" - the U.S has imposed sanctions on us, yet our economy grew way faster than it did when nobody was sanctioning us, when we made "good public relations"). Humans are naturally attracted to strong people, and a proud, Jewish Israel can become the world's strongest military and economical power in a short period of time. if a self-hating Israel (the State of Israel since its creation to our days) can become an economical and technological power in a nothing period of time, an Israelite Holy Kingdom of Israel will make China look like a little girl in no time, with the help of G-D.
In other words, the only answer is Jewish pride. Let the world see who's the Creator and who are His chosen people, the Galut is over and we don't need to be Jewish anti-Semites, hug our enemies and steal Jewish money in order to satisfy the "superior and strong" Gentile's demands. REAL good public relations are strength, not weakness. Nobody respects a self-hating slave worm. In high school, nobody loves the nerds. Everybody beats them up and laughs at them, especially when they act "nice" - But everybody respects and loves the jorks, especially if they act "cruel".
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I find it hard to understand why most posters are so angry at Israel sending a team to Haiti.
I wouldn't be so angry had the Jewish citizens chose to help the Dominican Republic, that helped the Jews during the Holocaust.
But because the Israeli government stole our money and gave it to our sworn enemies, this would be enough reason to hang the Israeli leaders for treason, in addition to many other reasons.
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I find it hard to understand why most posters are so angry at Israel sending a team to Haiti.
I am completely opposed to Israel helping her ennemies, but Haiti is not an ennemy of Israel, is it ? What harm has Haiti done to Israel ? If there is something I don't know about this, please somebody tell me.
I would also be against sending a team if that was very costly, because then it would breach the principle that Jews should help their fellow Jews first. But, correct me if I'm wrong, that shouldn't be expensive. And Israeli medical experts will benefit by acquiring experience on the ground.
I would also be against sending a team if what has happened to Haiti was a fair punishment. But most of the 300,000 dead Haitians during the earthquake were just ordinary people who did not particularly deserve to die in such a cruel way, weren't they ?
So why be so angry at Israel sending a team out there ? To be honest, I don't really care about Haiti but, hey, cholera is a horrible epidemic, and these are human beings. Don't we Jews have a notion of humanity ? If we can help, knowing that it won't be a burden on us, why not do it ?
I don't know how to answer. The problem is, Yaakov, you think those Haitians will be grateful like you would be if someone helped you. But the fact is, the last time Israel helped them, Jews were accused for organ harvesting.
Yes, those blacks are human beings who need help, but if dog bites your hand while feeding him, would you still do it? I'm not sure, maybe someone wiser should answer. Chaim, for example.
I didn't know that the Haitians had accused the Israelis of organ harvesting. In that case, I agree, no more humanitarian concern for such lowlife recipients !
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I find it hard to understand why most posters are so angry at Israel sending a team to Haiti.
I am completely opposed to Israel helping her ennemies, but Haiti is not an ennemy of Israel, is it ? What harm has Haiti done to Israel ? If there is something I don't know about this, please somebody tell me.
I would also be against sending a team if that was very costly, because then it would breach the principle that Jews should help their fellow Jews first. But, correct me if I'm wrong, that shouldn't be expensive. And Israeli medical experts will benefit by acquiring experience on the ground.
I would also be against sending a team if what has happened to Haiti was a fair punishment. But most of the 300,000 dead Haitians during the earthquake were just ordinary people who did not particularly deserve to die in such a cruel way, weren't they ?
So why be so angry at Israel sending a team out there ? To be honest, I don't really care about Haiti but, hey, cholera is a horrible epidemic, and these are human beings. Don't we Jews have a notion of humanity ? If we can help, knowing that it won't be a burden on us, why not do it ?
I don't know how to answer. The problem is, Yaakov, you think those Haitians will be grateful like you would be if someone helped you. But the fact is, the last time Israel helped them, Jews were accused for organ harvesting.
Yes, those blacks are human beings who need help, but if dog bites your hand while feeding him, would you still do it? I'm not sure, maybe someone wiser should answer. Chaim, for example.
I didn't know that the Haitians had accused the Israelis of organ harvesting. In that case, I agree, no more humanitarian concern for such lowlife recipients !
it wasnt the hatians, it was a bunch of idiots on the web saying that based on the sweedish paper doing its blood liabel
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haiti is a evil voodoo practicing nation..thats why Hashem wreaked havoc, is my understanding. why should Jews involve themselves with these people's problems when Israel has more then we can chew as it is...
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Subhuman isn't a racial term. It's a characterization of uncivilized people of which most of Haiti is
Why in the world would Israel want to help sub-humans?
Hey Adolph Hitler. I didn't know you were back? How was hell? Did you have fun?
Sadly something is honestly lacking in the Haitian people... Even simple cleanup of the dead bodies and earthquake rubble seems to be a complex issue for them all this time later... They really are quite hopeless without outside help.
So they aren't even worthy to be called humans because they are helpless?
I hope you understand that in order for there to be smart people, there has to be stupid people. In order for there to be rich people, there has to be poor people. In order for there to be rich Western countries, there always has to be other country who are very poor and helpless, because this is not Communism and every country isn't equal. Haiti happens to be the poorest country in the Western hemisphere. We should hope that they improve and not use racial terms against them.
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We are supposed to be a light onto other nations. And im happy we already help people all around the world. such a small country full of entrepeneurship,inventions and brainy jews have helped the world.
Jews should work on helping each other first and then righteous gentiles before they try to take on a world which will always hate them.
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History reality check. White South Africa was per capita probably the most prosperous nation in human history. They needed absolutely nothing and the sanctions against it were being constantly broken via the black market. The whole world could have said they were worse than Hitler and nothing would have happened to it. What happened is that the traitor white South African corporations began their own PR blitz to convince average South African whites to commit suicide, and it worked.
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History reality check. White South Africa was per capita probably the most prosperous nation in human history. They needed absolutely nothing and the sanctions against it were being constantly broken via the black market. The whole world could have said they were worse than Hitler and nothing would have happened to it. What happened is that the traitor white South African corporations began their own PR blitz to convince average South African whites to commit suicide, and it worked.
This is pretty much true. South Africa was extremely prosperous and far and away the best country in Africa. It did take many years of internal and external pressure to convince white South Africans to end apartheid and unfortunately South Africa is now on its way to becoming the next Zimbabwe. The current ANC government lead by Jacob Zuma(a zulu moron with no formal education) and all the upcoming leadership have openly expressed admiration for Robert Mugabe.
As for Haiti, Israel should focus on its own problems first. Sadly, many Jews seem to get a high out of helping black nazis. Personally, I think they should donate to a local veteranarian or SPCA if they want to help animals.
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If let's say there was a similar crisis to Serbs I would support Israeli aid since the Serbs aided the Jews in the shoah.
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Personally, I think they should donate to a local veteranarian or SPCA if they want to help animals.
You say you're proud to be a Christian. Doesn't Christianity have something to do with compassion and helping those in need, even when they're not Christians ? I'm just asking because I'm surprised, no bickering intended.
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Why in G-d's name are we going over there? What have the shvugs done for Jews or Israel lately? The shvugs take our supplies and our help, and where's our thanks? "Israel stole organs, blood, a cup of water...." As far as I'm concerned, let these animals die! No good has ever come out of Haiti! To be honest, I don't know what's worse an American shvug, or a Haitian? They're both a bunch of lazy, stupid, wild animals! Haiti: Gei Tren Zich!!!!!!!! >:(
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Personally, I think they should donate to a local veteranarian or SPCA if they want to help animals.
You say you're proud to be a Christian. Doesn't Christianity have something to do with compassion and helping those in need, even when they're not Christians ? I'm just asking because I'm surprised, no bickering intended.
Yeah well, it's better to be realistic when you decide who you help. For instance, I'm in Canada. I see far more worth in helping Canadians who need help than Haitians who probably will spit in my face and be totally ungrateful. Besides, giving aid to people like the Haitians is like burning it. Their corrupt officials will steal the aid and misuse it and it won't get to the people. It's the same thing with Israel and the arabs. When Israelis gave the greenhouses to the Gaza arabs, instead of using them to grow food they tore them down and built weapons out of them. I think a lot of Christians who go around the world acting like do-gooders are self-hating goofballs who would be much better suited helping people in their own countries. Really, why help Haiti when there are homeless people in your country that need help? Haiti is an African thirld-world hellhole in the middle of the Carribean. Not even the Dominicans want anything to do with them.
edit: Sadly some of these Christians who go around the world helping every 3rd world savage who needs a handout turn out to be the same people who end up hating Israel for example. Kind of like being kind to the cruel makes you inevitably cruel to the kind.
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Personally, I think they should donate to a local veteranarian or SPCA if they want to help animals.
You say you're proud to be a Christian. Doesn't Christianity have something to do with compassion and helping those in need, even when they're not Christians ? I'm just asking because I'm surprised, no bickering intended.
Yeah well, it's better to be realistic when you decide who you help. For instance, I'm in Canada. I see far more worth in helping Canadians who need help than Haitians who probably will spit in my face and be totally ungrateful. Besides, giving aid to people like the Haitians is like burning it. Their corrupt officials will steal the aid and misuse it and it won't get to the people. It's the same thing with Israel and the arabs. When Israelis gave the greenhouses to the Gaza arabs, instead of using them to grow food they tore them down and built weapons out of them. I think a lot of Christians who go around the world acting like do-gooders are self-hating goofballs who would be much better suited helping people in their own countries. Really, why help Haiti when there are homeless people in your country that need help? Haiti is an African thirld-world hellhole in the middle of the Carribean. Not even the Dominicans want anything to do with them.
edit: Sadly some of these Christians who go around the world helping every 3rd world savage who needs a handout turn out to be the same people who end up hating Israel for example. Kind of like being kind to the cruel makes you inevitably cruel to the kind.
Of course what you are saying makes sense in general. I wouldn't send cash money to Haiti either. But in this particular case (team against cholera epidemic), I don't think the corrupt officials can steal the aid. And the circumstances are exceptional : 300,000 dead bodies and now the threat of a horrible epidemic. And Haitians are not Nazis (I would obviously never help Nazis, in any circumstances !); most of them are poor, uneducated people, but that doesn't make them evil, at least not all of them. And sending a specialized medical team to Haiti is not expensive for Israel. So I am still not clearly convinced why it should not be done. But maybe my humanitarian concern is foolish. Thank you for your clarification anyway.
As for giving the greenhouses to Arab Nazis in Gaza, I think it was completely insane (giving them Gaza, not only the greenhouses, was completely insane and criminal).