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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: NoMosqueHere on January 13, 2011, 08:00:09 PM
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Under Israel's Law of Return, the right of return is granted to those born Jews (having a Jewish mother or maternal grandmother), those with Jewish ancestry (having a Jewish father or grandfather) and converts to Judaism (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative denominations—not secular—though Reform and Conservative conversions must take place outside the state, similar to civil marriages).
Consequently, Gabrielle (Gavriella) has the right to return to Israel if she chose to. And if she so chose, I would welcome her as a sister.
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And I would want her ejected immediately. Just because some idiots who don't really believe in Judaism define Giffords as a Jew it doesn't mean, I have to pay attention.
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Under Israel's Law of Return, the right of return is granted to those born Jews (having a Jewish mother or maternal grandmother), those with Jewish ancestry (having a Jewish father or grandfather) and converts to Judaism (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative denominations—not secular—though Reform and Conservative conversions must take place outside the state, similar to civil marriages).
Consequently, Gabrielle (Gavriella) has the right to return to Israel if she chose to. And if she so chose, I would welcome her as a sister.
You would then have a sister who is not Jewish.
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Please you really think she would ever want to move to Israel.
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* Actually when it comes to conversion I think the laws says "conversion according to halacha".
It's true that this secular law allows for people with one Jewish grandparent immigration rights to Israel. And over the years some good folk entered, and some that are less then good also took advantage of it.
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* Actually when it comes to conversion I think the laws says "conversion according to halacha".
It's true that this secular law allows for people with one Jewish grandparent immigration rights to Israel. And over the years some good folk entered, and some that are less then good also took advantage of it.
True she could move to Israel under the right of return but could not be married to a Jew in Israel that's Halacha. I bet if 3 million people from the U.S with one Jewish Grandparent came to Israel they would cause much much less trouble then people who returmed to Israel from the former Soviet union
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She should move to a Muslim Nazi country, not Israel.
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What about all the "half jews" persecuted by the german nazis and their evil allies? would you not have given them sanctuary in israel back then and instead let them be gassed to death? Is that judaism?
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What about all the "half jews" persecuted by the german nazis and their evil allies? would you not have given them sanctuary in israel back then and instead let them be gassed to death? Is that judaism?
OF COURSE THEY WOULD HAVE RECEIVED SANCTUARY THATS THE LAW OF RETURN EVEN 1/4 jEWS WOULD HAVE RECEIVED SANTUARY AND CITIZENSHIP BUT THEY COULD NOT MARRY IN ISRAEL UNLESS THEIR MOTHERS MOTHER WAS JEWISH OR CONVERTED
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How do you think all those ethiopian jews made aliyah
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Yes of course I would embrace Gabrielle as a sister. She has a jewish soul, and embraces and identifies with the jewish people when she very easily could have kept her jewish ancestry quiet. I don't care I disagree with her about Obama and other things. I worked hard for McCain/Palin in the 2008 election and plan to work to defeat Obama in 12. And, moreover, I would fully support GG's right of return to Israel under any circumstance.
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1: I don't care what Israel's self-hating laws say, she's not Jewish.
2: What is your agenda in defending and promoting such a monstrous enemy of decency in general, and Israel in particular?
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How do you think all those ethiopian jews made aliyah
Good point but in fact quite incorrect. The Ethiopian Jews that came 20 years ago and before were kosher Jews according to some major rabbis (Rabbi Yosef was the chief of those). But the people that have been brought on after are completely gentile who don't have the right of return even according to the civil law, and certainly no law states that they should be brought in and taken care of by the Israeli tax payer. It is a substantial waste of money, well over 1,000,000 NIS per such family which are spent just for the first 10 years of its stay in Israel.
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Under Israel's Law of Return, the right of return is granted to those born Jews (having a Jewish mother or maternal grandmother), those with Jewish ancestry (having a Jewish father or grandfather) and converts to Judaism (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative denominations—not secular—though Reform and Conservative conversions must take place outside the state, similar to civil marriages).
Consequently, Gabrielle (Gavriella) has the right to return to Israel if she chose to. And if she so chose, I would welcome her as a sister.
One is a Jew if his mother is Jewish or has converted through a Halachic process. All others are Gentiles, no matter how they call themeselves. So Giffords is not Jewish, period.
And the Bolshevik Law of Return is an exact copy of the Nuremberg Laws. If you want to be a Nazi you dont need to use the Judenrat leaders of Israel to be one. But what should I expect from a self-hating Jew like you who is willing to give his life against a Mosque in the Exile but has never done anything about the Mosque on OUR Temple Mount and wants to insert millions of Gentiles into the Jewish people and help them invade our land using a Bolshevik copy of the Nuremberg Laws?
What about all the "half jews" persecuted by the german nazis and their evil allies? would you not have given them sanctuary in israel back then and instead let them be gassed to death? Is that judaism?
Yea, thats Judaism. Gentiles dont suddenly become Jewish just because Adolf Hitler says they are.
And the ''half-Jewish'' GERMANS the Nazis considered Jewish were as Nazi as their fellow countrymen. They also participated in murdering 7 million Jews in the Holocaust (as we see in Bryan Rigg's ''Hitler's Jewish Soldiers' - All were ''half Jews'' you love so much). I celebrate their death just like I celebrate the death of PLO Arab Nazis killed by Hamas Arab Nazis who consider them to be ''Zionist agents'' (Jews, no?)
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@ron theres a good reason to have a Nuremberg-based law of return. It ensures that the families of Jews fleeing persecution can also flee.
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Under Israel's Law of Return, the right of return is granted to those born Jews (having a Jewish mother or maternal grandmother), those with Jewish ancestry (having a Jewish father or grandfather) and converts to Judaism (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative denominations—not secular—though Reform and Conservative conversions must take place outside the state, similar to civil marriages).
Consequently, Gabrielle (Gavriella) has the right to return to Israel if she chose to. And if she so chose, I would welcome her as a sister.
Too bad that self-hating law is completely irrelevant to whether a person is actually Jewish. And this is the fault of the establishment ashkenazi haredi rabbis who refused to vote for a law that would incorporate halacha into law of return
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A Shiite Muslim is more Jewish than Gabrielle Giffords.
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Since when did Israel start accepting deformed conversions? I thought they only accepted orthodox Jews for the right of return?
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Since when did Israel start accepting deformed conversions? I thought they only accepted orthodox Jews for the right of return?
No, that was never the case for right of return. The only conversions recognized were Orthodox conversions {although this appears to be in question also}...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return
Law
On July 5, 1950, the Knesset, Israel's Parliament, enacted the Law of Return 5710-1950.[1] Follow-up legislation on immigration matters was contained in the Nationality Law of 1952. These two pieces of legislation combine religion, history, nationalism, and democracy, in a way unique to Israel. Together, the legislation declares the right of Jews to come to Israel, their ancestral homeland, and to facilitate their immigration.
The law gives the right of return to those born Jews (having a Jewish mother or maternal grandmother), those with Jewish ancestry (having a Jewish father or grandfather) and converts to Judaism (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative denominations—not secular—though Reform and Conservative conversions must take place outside the state, similar to civil marriages).
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What about all the "half jews" persecuted by the german nazis and their evil allies? would you not have given them sanctuary in israel back then and instead let them be gassed to death? Is that judaism?
a troll question
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Yes of course I would embrace Gabrielle as a sister. She has a jewish soul,
Only a Jew has a Jewish soul.
What you say makes no sense.
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I smell Ben Mizrachi.
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@ron theres a good reason to have a Nuremberg-based law of return. It ensures that the families of Jews fleeing persecution can also flee.
We should NOT let Nazis define who is a Jew!
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i wasn't aware of the Rigg book. i need to read it. but yes i do think it's quite possible to love "half jews," assuming they are righteous, love the jewish people, and, of course, are not nazis.
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i wasn't aware of the Rigg book. i need to read it. but yes i do think it's quite possible to love "half jews," assuming they are righteous, love the jewish people, and, of course, are not nazis.
Giffords fails the test on all three counts.
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Meanwhile, as the Sephardic and Ashkenazic Chareidim/Black Hats argue about the validity of IDF conversions, and the religious and secular battle over changing the Conversion law and Law of Return, Israel is being overrun and invaded by massive numbers of Africans pouring across her broders from Sudan and Eritrea(a part of Somalia). Even Netanyahu admitted that Arad and Eilat have been taken over by the African invaders and that currently Tel Aviv is being overrun as well. Israel needs to unite to kick these invaders out of the country and prevent future ones from coming in.
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In listening to the new ' Ask JTF' program that Chaim put together early this morning, he raised a great point about Gabrielle Giffords that really shouldn't be overlooked. In that Giffords supports Barack Hussein Obama, who clearly wants to endanger Israel's existence. How anyone in public office or has run for public office could support Obama, knowing his horrific track record on Israel, speaks volumes of how they prioritize Israel. And that's even giving them the benefit of the doubt that they care at all about Israel!
When combining this with Gabrielle Giffords' mother not being Jewish and that Gabrielle Giffords didn't have a legitimate conversion to Judiasm, I don't think she should have the right to move to Israel.
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i wasn't aware of the Rigg book. i need to read it. but yes i do think it's quite possible to love "half jews," assuming they are righteous, love the jewish people, and, of course, are not nazis.
http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html
How the Lubavitch Rebbes Father in law was rescued by German Jewish soldiers
http://books.google.com/books?id=wm88nAyk7BoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Bryan+Mark+Rigg:+Rescued+from+the+Reich:+How+One+of+Hitler%27s+Soldiers+Saved+the+Lubavitcher+Rebbe.&source=bl&ots=GuAwLR2peE&sig=WDGmXK4mClPEcjOabq0gZzAFO0A&hl=en&ei=3KM0TdzSH43AgQf8lO2MCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oSIXXCNGM4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXGtUjf98dY&feature=related Stories of some Jews who were in the Wehrmacht
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6BD535w4k0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEqpVrbNX3U&feature=related
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Meanwhile, as the Sephardic and Ashkenazic Chareidim/Black Hats argue about the validity of IDF conversions, and the religious and secular battle over changing the Conversion law and Law of Return, Israel is being overrun and invaded by massive numbers of Africans pouring across her broders from Sudan and Eritrea(a part of Somalia). Even Netanyahu admitted that Arad and Eilat have been taken over by the African invaders and that currently Tel Aviv is being overrun as well. Israel needs to unite to kick these invaders out of the country and prevent future ones from coming in.
I'd rather a black African Muslim get into Israel than that slut Giffords.
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What you said is wrong on so many levels. You're putting down a woman who was shot at point blank range by a psycho?! It doesn't matter whether she's Jewish or not. As for rather having Muslims come to Israel than non-halachic Jews or people with Jewish blood, your dream has become reality. I guess you don't care about Israel, if you'd rather have illegal Muslims move there and threaten the security of the state than have people with Jewish roots immigrate there legally.
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I'd rather a black African Muslim get into Israel than that slut Giffords.
That makes no sense because Giffords is one person, and the africans are thousands who are swarming Israel as we speak. Neither should be allowed into Israel, especially not swarms of illegal african migrants.
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I meant as an individual. One black African Muslim is going to be substantially less dangerous than one Gabrielle Giffords.
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I meant as an individual. One black African Muslim is going to be substantially less dangerous than one Gabrielle Giffords.
Actually, she'd be an irrelevant plebeian in Israel, and she won't rape or murder anyone. So I still can't agree.
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1: She would do her best to lobby for many more than one black Muslim entering Israel.
2: She would likely be wildly popular with self-hating Tel Avivniks and other leftist scum.
3: She would urge Israel to continue to sucking up to the worst black Muslim usurper of all.
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1: She would do her best to lobby for many more than one black Muslim entering Israel.
2: She would likely be wildly popular with self-hating Tel Avivniks and other leftist scum.
3: She would urge Israel to continue to sucking up to the worst black Muslim usurper of all.
This part is true she would have much more influence in Israel then a 1 shvatza .She probably thinks highly of MLK her husband does.Also she's probably a person prone to politics and probably would be an Allie of Tzipi Livni
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I'd also bet that the average black African is a more moral person than Giffords.