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Save Western Civilization => Save Europe => Topic started by: Ari on June 21, 2007, 10:45:53 PM
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I know someone who just came back from Italy a few days ago who is Jewish. When he was there he researched the old Italian Jewish communities and said when he was asking around he got a lot of dirty looks from the locals, as if a why do you care about them attitude. Not to pin this all on the Italians of course, as I have had some great Italian friends through the years and I know many do support Jews and Israel, but I was wondering why anti-semitism continues to grow in Europe. Overwhelmingly, Europeans still support Muslims over Israel in regard to any conflicts in the Middle East. The media bias is ridiculous and poll after poll supports the made-up notion of PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi independence. Don't they realize that Muslims are slowly but surely taking over Europe and turning their native countries into a dirty cespool of garbage and inhumanity? Is their hatred of Jews so deep that they are blinded to the fact that Islam is really the threat? Moreover, if they are Bible believing Chrisitians, as many claim to be, how can they not see the obvious connection between the Jewish people and the supposed fulfillement of the New Testament? Without Jews and the rebuilding of Israel, their belief system would hold no weight whatsoever and be a complete sham. This is so obvious to me, I can't believe more people don't see it this way. The ignorance is beyond me. Thoughts?
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It's in their DNA. They're beyond help.
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The Europeans have been anti-semetic for hundres if not thousands of years. Screw Europe, its done for just like newman said.
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I think it pretty much boils down to Replacement Theology. From what I understand, some Christians believe that G-d stopped his covenant with the Jews and transferred it to the Christians.
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children of Esav. They are jealous of the Jews.
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That's a good point, Lisa, but from what I understand all the official Christian authorities are supposed to have rejected the idea of replacement theology, but then again, sometimes old wounds never heal I guess.
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I think it pretty much boils down to Replacement Theology. From what I understand, some Christians believe that G-d stopped his covenant with the Jews and transferred it to the Christians.
What a joke replacement theology is! Christianity is one the retreat at a rate of notts in Europe. The only place it's really growing is in the turd world. If replacement theology was valid, it would mean that G_d in his infinite wisdom has elected to replace the most brilliant, noble, gifted, wonderful people on earth with a bunch of ignorant, savage, primative jungle jumpers and homo sheiser movie europeans as the chosen people! As if!
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At my college there is an Italian proffesor, I liked him and one time he said to me, as a joke, "Dont worry jews and Italian get along, because of our mutual enemy the blacks."
But even in Euro countries where there are no Jews, like Poland they still blame the jews for all their problems.
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At my college there is an Italian proffesor, I liked him and one time he said to me, as a joke, "Dont worry jews and Italian get along, because of our mutual enemy the blacks."
But even in Euro countries where there are no Jews, like Poland they still blame the jews for all their problems.
That is true. Rabbi Kahane and Joe Colombo were associates. Rabbi Kahane was in the hospital when Colombo died. I live on a block with mostly Italians, they have no problems with Jews living on the block with them, but when a Black man walks down the street, the block goes silent. My bike was stolen 4 days ago and I told a neighbor, his exact words were " I bet a black stole it".
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At my college there is an Italian proffesor, I liked him and one time he said to me, as a joke, "Dont worry jews and Italian get along, because of our mutual enemy the blacks."
But even in Euro countries where there are no Jews, like Poland they still blame the jews for all their problems.
These euro pigs amaze me! The few jews in europe are all law abiding, clean, high-tax paying descent people who add greatly to europe's art, culure and intellect.....but they are hated. In the meantime, these euro schmucks kiss up to stinking, vile moslem animals who do nothing but breed, collect welfare,commit pack rape and conspire to destroy europe and kill them all!......... Are these people right in the head? ???
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Good post Newman. Obviously I agree 100%
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I think it pretty much boils down to Replacement Theology. From what I understand, some Christians believe that G-d stopped his covenant with the Jews and transferred it to the Christians.
This only makes sense if you think Europeans ever were real Christians. I don't buy it. These drunken, promiscuous, primitive savages were about as Christian as a gorilla sitting in the middle of an AIDS-tainted Zaire swamp.
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Europeans have hated jews for centuries... mainly out of jealousy for the jews power and wealth due to their smarts... You know the jews have literally been kicked out of every country in Europe... countries like France and Holland several times throughout history... in the end all that can be done is to FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE HATERS
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Boy oh boy I'm gonna love watching the troubles to come in nazi europe in the next few years. When french and british cities are being looted, rooted and burned by moslem savages I'm gonna get a woody.
I'll be watching with rellish when those disgusting perverted uncircumcised euro pigs are being dragged from their homes by moslem animals and raped, stoned and shot.The slobber is going to be running down my chin like a big St Bernard.WOOF! :laugh:
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I must admit I'll enjoy a little part of it too, newman. However the sad part is watch the Jews be blamed for it and not the Muslims, LOL. After all nothing in the world will be right until a Palestinian homeland is established.
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Wait, wait... Anti-semitism is in the DNA of Europeans? God, the kind of [censored] opinions we're tolerating on JTF.org now are disgusting. A lot of us likely have European ancestry. I guess Jew hatred is in our DNA too. ::)
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Wait, wait... Anti-semitism is in the DNA of Europeans? G-d, the kind of excrement opinions we're tolerating on JTF.org now are disgusting. A lot of us likely have European ancestry. I guess Jew hatred is in our DNA too. ::)
I don't think newman meant that literally, he meant it figuratively. He was just saying that it's something that they can't get over and it comes "naturally" to them.
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children of Esav. They are jealous of the Jews.
Very true.
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Boy oh boy I'm gonna love watching the troubles to come in nazi europe in the next few years. When french and british cities are being looted, rooted and burned by moslem savages I'm gonna get a woody.
I'll be watching with rellish when those disgusting perverted uncircumcised euro pigs are being dragged from their homes by moslem animals and raped, stoned and shot.The slobber is going to be running down my chin like a big St Bernard.WOOF! :laugh:
Lol, good one. And they will blame the Jews and Americans for muslims taking over their beloved Eurotrash wastedump. Let the muslims take over and you'll see them beg for our help. Then what we can do is send them all the muslims living here to help them.
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Because they are G-dless and evil and deserve all the muslims they get.
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I think it pretty much boils down to Replacement Theology. From what I understand, some Christians believe that G-d stopped his covenant with the Jews and transferred it to the Christians.
Who do they claim said this in the "New Testament"?
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children of Esav. They are jealous of the Jews.
Were Cain and Abel before Esav? Which part of the Torah are they in?
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I have not read the New Testament, so I don't know.
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At my college there is an Italian proffesor, I liked him and one time he said to me, as a joke, "Dont worry jews and Italian get along, because of our mutual enemy the blacks."
But even in Euro countries where there are no Jews, like Poland they still blame the jews for all their problems.
That is true. Rabbi Kahane and Joe Colombo were associates. Rabbi Kahane was in the hospital when Colombo died. I live on a block with mostly Italians, they have no problems with Jews living on the block with them, but when a Black man walks down the street, the block goes silent. My bike was stolen 4 days ago and I told a neighbor, his exact words were " I bet a black stole it".
Should this be a plus for Giuliani?
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I think it pretty much boils down to Replacement Theology. From what I understand, some Christians believe that G-d stopped his covenant with the Jews and transferred it to the Christians.
This only makes sense if you think Europeans ever were real Christians. I don't buy it. These drunken, promiscuous, primitive savages were about as Christian as a gorilla sitting in the middle of an AIDS-tainted Zaire swamp.
What do you think of the Pope?
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Careful guys. We don't want to get into Pope/Catholic bashing, or bashing any religion here (except for Islam).
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Careful guys. We don't want to get into Pope/Catholic bashing, or bashing any religion here (except for Islam).
That's not my intention at all. I will respect whatever opinion Chaimfan has of the pope.
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I must admit I'll enjoy a little part of it too, newman. However the sad part is watch the Jews be blamed for it and not the Muslims, LOL. After all nothing in the world will be right until a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi homeland is established.
What else is new? These pigs have blamed the jews for everything over the years: the plague, the second plague, floods, droughts, WW1, WW2......whatever happens to these animals, "the jews are to blame"!
If there were no jews I wonder who these schmucks would blame for their misfortunes or failures.
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I have been trying to investigate the roots of anti-semitism all my life. I can understand some amount of anti-semitism that does not exceed "normal" xenophobia. To some degree, xenophobia is "normal," insofar as it is consistent with the group survival mentality. If you want to promote the survival of your group as a unique cultural and linguistic entity, some amount of resistance to other groups is inevitable.
However, I have discovered, that anti-semitism cannot be explained by xenophobia alone. It cannot either be explained by economic competition alone. It is much, much greater than this. Anti-semitism is an irrational, overwhelming hatred of Jews that cannot be put down to any rational or historical explanation. Anti-semitism is rife in countries that have never had any Jewish population. It is a pathological and hysterical state of mind that has one meta-explanation for everything that is wrong with the world - the Jews. Ultimately, it is a disease of the spirit. It is also satanic in its origins. The irrationality and exaggerated nature of anti-semitism is to me one of the proofs of the existence of G-d.
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Soon I'm sure the Euros are going to begin Blaming Jews for the Muslim takeover of THEIR Lands !! As before, A Godless people always need a cop Out !
These Demented LIBERAL Euro Twits better Wake Up and stop with their Obscene Obsession with "the Jewish Question" ! If the Jews wanted the Lands from these Godless schmucks they would have it by NOW !
But we all know a certain group of ARAB Sand-Shvarze TERRORISTS that do claim they're right to ALL Lands and are willing to implement a little something called JEHAD to get it !
The bottom line is the Euros suffer from a Terminal Decease of Cowardice that was ushered in by the Nazi Party that blamed on all of Their misery on a Innocent group of DECENT Humans !
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Who do they claim said this in the "New Testament"?
Replacement theology is not in the N.T. Actually it is the opposite. The apostle Paul, an ultra-Orthodox Jew who never strayed, warns that the Gentiles are "grafted into" the tree (meaning the Jews).
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So Chaimfan, how do you think replacement theology started?
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Great Posts.
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It's in their DNA. They're beyond help.
children of Esav. They are jealous of the Jews.
these comments don't seem racist to anyone else?? this whole thread seeems a bit racist.
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Boy oh boy I'm gonna love watching the troubles to come in nazi europe in the next few years. When french and british cities are being looted, rooted and burned by moslem savages I'm gonna get a woody.
I'll be watching with rellish when those disgusting perverted uncircumcised euro pigs are being dragged from their homes by moslem animals and raped, stoned and shot.The slobber is going to be running down my chin like a big St Bernard.WOOF! :laugh:
Really Newman! From a practical perspective, we should be very concerned about Europe. If the muslims take over there, it just gives them a vast nuclear arsenal and a larger population base from which to recruit volunteers (aka terrorists). The more land/countries they take over, the worse the outlook is for us! We'll have to help Europe for our own sakes when Islam gets close to taking it over.
WhiteHawk - yes I think the DNA comment was un called-for.
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Wait, wait... Anti-semitism is in the DNA of Europeans? G-d, the kind of excrement opinions we're tolerating on JTF.org now are disgusting. A lot of us likely have European ancestry. I guess Jew hatred is in our DNA too. ::)
Both good points.
To everyone who commented on this offensive thread, I'd like you to spell out what you think of those of us who have European ancestry. And before anyone decides to label me a "filthy euro", no I do not live on that continent nor do I agree with most of their policies.
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Wait, wait... Anti-semitism is in the DNA of Europeans? G-d, the kind of excrement opinions we're tolerating on JTF.org now are disgusting. A lot of us likely have European ancestry. I guess Jew hatred is in our DNA too. ::)
Both good points.
To everyone who commented on this offensive thread, I'd like you to spell out what you think of those of us who have European ancestry. And before anyone decides to label me a "filthy euro", no I do not live on that continent nor do I agree with most of their policies.
I said 'in their DNA' in a figurative sense. Of coarse it's impossible for such a thing to be in DNA
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Careful guys. We don't want to get into Pope/Catholic bashing, or bashing any religion here (except for Islam).
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Some rightist and now leftist "europeans" hate Jews because anti-Semetism for them is almost a religion. Just as Christians blame "the devil" for their problems, or Marxists blame the upper class, Europeans at times blame the jews. Its a need for an "all-powerful" enemy to make the world seem more simplistic and problems more easily solvable, by blaming one clear target. But people who take an attitude like that will never solve any real problems because they will never understand the true problems that they mistakenly believe are caused by that target.
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The Christian Bible was written to appeal to the pagans. So as not to offend the Romans it had to 'blame' the Jews for the 'death' of Jesus. This 'blame' has created the rationale for the hatred and genocide of the Jews. Despite Christianities intellectual dishonesty and obvious fabrications it and its hatred persists helped by the teachings of Islam.
The Left have always hated the Jew for giving the world guilt, shame and morality. The Left are vehemently atheist and do not want to be constrained. Hitler admitted that if there were no Jews he would not feel any remorse for what he wanted to do to the world. That is why he comitted suicide in defeat.
Christianity is in decline, but unfortunately Islam is growing and it has no moral constraints, none at all.
Islamic anti-semitism outshines even that of the Nazis!
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The Christian Bible was written to appeal to the pagans. So as not to offend the Romans it had to 'blame' the Jews for the 'death' of Jesus. This 'blame' has created the rationale for the hatred and genocide of the Jews. Despite Christianities intellectual dishonesty and obvious fabrications it and its hatred persists helped by the teachings of Islam.
The Left have always hated the Jew for giving the world guilt, shame and morality. The Left are vehemently atheist and do not want to be constrained. Hitler admitted that if there were no Jews he would not feel any remorse for what he wanted to do to the world. That is why he comitted suicide in defeat.
Christianity is in decline, but unfortunately Islam is growing and it has no moral constraints, none at all.
Islamic anti-semitism outshines even that of the Nazis!
I agree fivish, but please use some tact. Christians and jews have been bickering on the forum for a week. Try and skirt the theological anomalies if possible.
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Let's not forget Jesus whom was preaching as a "Rabbi" and according to the Roman archives was convicted of blasphemy by proclaiming himself the son of God !
This was not acceptable conduct for a rabbi and thus there was a plea by the Chosen People of Israel to the Romans for his disposal !
That was a time when Jews weren't hesitant in defending themselves and their Religion's honor !
But the Jews clearly wanted to rid the faith of the LIBERAL teachings of Jesus, if this wasn't true Jews today would accept him as the messiah which I DON'T THINK HAPPENED !
Jews are proud to be Jewish, Christian Gentiles must live with the fact that their faith derives from the ancient Hebrew scribes which their Messiah studied !
To deny this is to be ignorant and self-Hating !
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The old continent of Europe will be magically turned into the really old continent of europe when the Muslim nazis conquer there lands. It will feel like they are in the year 570, the time when Mohamed the nazi prophet roamed the earth. That is the future of Europe.
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Let's not get into the criticizing the Christian Bible here. That's not fair to our wonderful Christian posters here.
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Wait, wait... Anti-semitism is in the DNA of Europeans? G-d, the kind of excrement opinions we're tolerating on JTF.org now are disgusting. A lot of us likely have European ancestry. I guess Jew hatred is in our DNA too. ::)
Both good points.
To everyone who commented on this offensive thread, I'd like you to spell out what you think of those of us who have European ancestry. And before anyone decides to label me a "filthy euro", no I do not live on that continent nor do I agree with most of their policies.
I said 'in their DNA' in a figurative sense. Of coarse it's impossible for such a thing to be in DNA
Then perhaps you'll admit that your comment was simply not called for? Obviously from my reference above, I wasn't the only one who thought so....
By the way, I was surprised to see you call for "tact" later in the thread.
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It's in their DNA. They're beyond help.
children of Esav. They are jealous of the Jews.
these comments don't seem racist to anyone else?? this whole thread seeems a bit racist.
The Europeans are a race ?
The European Jew hatred is a sub-tradition in Europe .
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Wait, wait... Anti-semitism is in the DNA of Europeans? G-d, the kind of excrement opinions we're tolerating on JTF.org now are disgusting. A lot of us likely have European ancestry. I guess Jew hatred is in our DNA too. ::)
Both good points.
To everyone who commented on this offensive thread, I'd like you to spell out what you think of those of us who have European ancestry. And before anyone decides to label me a "filthy euro", no I do not live on that continent nor do I agree with most of their policies.
I said 'in their DNA' in a figurative sense. Of coarse it's impossible for such a thing to be in DNA
Then perhaps you'll admit that your comment was simply not called for? Obviously from my reference above, I wasn't the only one who thought so....
By the way, I was surprised to see you call for "tact" later in the thread.
Evidently their are idiots around who take everything literally like Heimie the robot in Get Smart.
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why was my post deleted? Can the moderator who deleted it please tell me why?
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why was my post deleted? Can the moderator who deleted it please tell me why?
It was the maintainance. Everything after 1245 or 0045 was lost
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okay what I basically wrote was
Rashi- The anti-semite hates Jews because deep down it really is hatred of G-d. He sees the Jew as G-d's rep. and lashes out at the Jew for the negativity he has towards G-d. (I wrote it better before, more details etc.)
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http://www.kolyakov.org/rabbi_shafier.html
Go all the way down, and its explained in the lecture Titled.
The Shmuz #140 - The Arabs and the Jews
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okay what I basically wrote was
Rashi- The anti-semite hates Jews because deep down it really is hatred of G-d. He sees the Jew as G-d's rep. and lashes out at the Jew for the negativity he has towards G-d. (I wrote it better before, more details etc.)
Exactly....There was a great powerpoint-type presentation on aish.com about the history of anti-semitism. Ironically It was hitler(yemach schmo v'zichro) that revealed the real roote.
The jews gave the world empathy, human rights and conscience through ethical mono-theism. The nazis considered this a blight on mankind. Evidently the europeans agree.
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Ironically, the enemies of the Jews always give them the best compliments. Whille the prophets always scorned and castigated the Israelites for their sins.
The prophets wanted to make us better. You can't make someone better unless you point out what's wrong with him.
But Enemies of the Jews like Bilaam, Haman and Hitler since they have a warped idea of what is good and what is bad.
Haman says that the Jews are all throughout the Persian empire and they don't follow the Dath(religion) of the King, they follow a strange religon.
Yes, to Haman Judaism is very strange and the fact that the Jews didn't follow Persian paganism was a scandal. So, he gave us a compliment. That we stick to our G-d and don't worship the gods of the persians.
Thanks, Haman.
The same thing with Bilaam, who ends up blessing us, when he was trying to curse us.
Also, Hitler gave us a compliment. He said the "Me and the Jews cannot exist in the same world."
True, and goodbye and good riddance Hitler, Haman and Bilaam.
We outlived you all, for one reason. Because when G-d says we're an eternal nation, he meant it.
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Ironically, the enemies of the Jews always give them the best compliments. Whille the prophets always scorned and castigated the Israelites for their sins.
The prophets wanted to make us better. You can't make someone better unless you point out what's wrong with him.
But Enemies of the Jews like Bilaam, Haman and Hitler since they have a warped idea of what is good and what is bad.
Haman says that the Jews are all throughout the Persian empire and they don't follow the Dath(religion) of the King, they follow a strange religon.
Yes, to Haman Judaism is very strange and the fact that the Jews didn't follow Persian paganism was a scandal. So, he gave us a compliment. That we stick to our G-d and don't worship the gods of the persians.
Thanks, Haman.
The same thing with Bilaam, who ends up blessing us, when he was trying to curse us.
Also, Hitler gave us a compliment. He said the "Me and the Jews cannot exist in the same world."
True, and goodbye and good riddance Hitler, Haman and Bilaam.
We outlived you all, for one reason. Because when G-d says we're an eternal nation, he meant it.
Amen......Throughout history it is always the Jew who questions and opposes. Evil people can't stand that. When trying to plunge the world into darkness one need only destroy the source of light........................ b'nai Yisroel.
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My whole jokey discussion with newman has vanished... :(
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Something happened yesterday i lost posts
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Something happened yesterday i lost posts
The server went down at some point yesterday. They said some post would be lost
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=UXpF037EOFY
title: Israel is behind everything
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It's in their DNA. They're beyond help.
children of Esav. They are jealous of the Jews.
these comments don't seem racist to anyone else?? this whole thread seeems a bit racist.
The Europeans are a race ?
The European Jew hatred is a sub-tradition in Europe .
Obviously YES Europeans are a race. Europe was the only continent to take jews in don't forget. Nations like China would've killed the jews probably.
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Obviously YES Europeans are a race. Europe was the only continent to take jews in don't forget. Nations like China would've killed the jews probably.
This is an inane and stupid post. The Europeans DID kill all the Jews, many times. I bet the Chinese would have been more tolerant of them.
I believe the Indian Hindus took in many Jews at one time.
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Obviously YES Europeans are a race. Europe was the only continent to take jews in don't forget. Nations like China would've killed the jews probably.
This is an inane and stupid post. The Europeans DID kill all the Jews, many times. I bet the Chinese would have been more tolerant of them.
I believe the Indian Hindus took in many Jews at one time.
The Japanese saved many, I'm told
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Not so sure about that. The Tojo Japs idolized Hitler and were Nazis in every way. Their Shintoism taught that they are the master race of Asia and they raped and murdered millions of Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Filipinos, and others in their campaign for Asian lebensraum.
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Next time please refer to the countries in question and catholics/protestants instead of all Christians... Because Serbia and the Orthodox faith has supported Israel and Jews since the beginning
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Next time please refer to the countries in question and catholics/protestants instead of all Christians... Because Serbia and the Orthodox faith has supported Israel and Jews since the beginning
When people talks about europe they usually mean to weasten europe, not easten europe (thet includs serbia).
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thank you for the enlightenment:P since I'm easterneuropean i didn't know Europe was mainly thought as western Europe^^
same gos for Asia , i cant call Russians Asian:P
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Next time please refer to the countries in question and catholics/protestants instead of all Christians... Because Serbia and the Orthodox faith has supported Israel and Jews since the beginning
I heard that a great number of Serbs, one could even say Serbs en masse, tried to save Jews during the Holocaust in WW2. Not all Jews know this, unfortunately. This knowledge should definitely be spread. But those who know are very grateful to the Serbs and do remember this.
However, I disagree with your statement equating support for Jews and Israel with the Orthodox faith in general. Perhaps there are different types of Orthodox faith. Maybe in Serbia, Orthodox Church is a friend of the Jews. I know nothing about this, and so I believe you. But I do know for a fact that in Russia and Ukraine, the Orthodox Church is both strongly anti-Jewish and anti-Israel. Even there one could encounter righteous Christians. But they are righteous despite the church's teaching. At one time, I was reading Russian Orthodox Christian websites. I couldn't find a single Christian website that didn't have an antisemitic sub-forum with the most vile and rabid invective against the Jews and links to such books as the Protocols of Zionist Elders.
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By the way, Serbian Cetnik, I lost a friendship because of the Yugoslavian War. I ended up in a political argument with a friend, who thought that Clinton was right to bomb Serbia. He didn't want to hear my arguments and thought that I was insane even to argue against this. When I told him about the hoax with the supposed "Bosnian concentration camp" (this was when the left media were practicing the tricks they used again in inventing non-existent Israeli "massacres"), he got all red in the face, called me a liar, and left. I haven't seen him since. Some people just don't want to know the truth. They are cosy inside their comforting worldview.
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However, I disagree with your statement equating support for Jews and Israel with the Orthodox faith in general. Perhaps there are different types of Orthodox faith. Maybe in Serbia, Orthodox Church is a friend of the Jews. I know nothing about this, and so I believe you. But I do know for a fact that in Russia and Ukraine, the Orthodox Church is both strongly anti-Jewish and anti-Israel. Even there one could encounter righteous Christians. But they are righteous despite the church's teaching. At one time, I was reading Russian Orthodox Christian websites. I couldn't find a single Christian website that didn't have an antisemitic sub-forum with the most vile and rabid invective against the Jews and links to such books as the Protocols of Zionist Elders.
To calm your "fear" there is:P There is the Serbian Orthodox church and all the other countries that are orthodox, though they are closely related to us. They can reform if they want their own church. So that was completely possible for Serbian Orthodox Church to totally embrace other cultures and religions at the same time as you say the Russian and Ukrainian hated.
So that there won't be any more misunderstandings. In Serbia's 1300 year bloody and old history of wars. We have only started 1 war. And it was started by a deranged king:P. Other from that we have always just wanted to live in peace. Jews were never ( as far as I know ) persecuted in Serbia.
In fact my family goes back to the 14th century:P The Brankovics
And I've read old laws that suggested that the catholics were persecuted:P
I remember and i quote
"Every fuedal lord will take his responsebility if someone is robbed on his land. Finding the criminal or paying the victim back what he lost EVEN if he's a catholic."
By the way, Serbian Cetnik, I lost a friendship because of the Yugoslavian War. I ended up in a political argument with a friend, who thought that Clinton was right to bomb Serbia. He didn't want to hear my arguments and thought that I was insane even to argue against this. When I told him about the hoax with the supposed "Bosnian concentration camp" (this was when the left media were practicing the tricks they used again in inventing non-existent Israeli "massacres"), he got all red in the face, called me a liar, and left. I haven't seen him since. Some people just don't want to know the truth. They are cosy inside their comforting worldview.
It would be the same if someone told you that the holocaust was a hoax and it hypothetically was. How would you react?
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It would be the same if someone told you that the holocaust was a hoax and it hypothetically was. How would you react?
However, the Serbs never committed genocide against Bosnian muslims. From what I read on independent websites, these "news" were manufactured by evil Western media who were deliberately anti-Serbian and pro-muslim in that war. They even built barracks that looked like a concentration camp to fool their readers and TV-viewers. The Serbs were the victims, not the aggressors. That's what I was trying to explain to him, but he didn't want to hear this.
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I urge you to go into the thread "Enjoy" I've posted there An AMERICAN and BOSNIAN made documentary about the Yugoslav war.
Its everything ive told so far and Chaim.
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I urge you to go into the thread "Enjoy" I've posted there An AMERICAN and BOSNIAN made documentary about the Yugoslav war.
Its everything ive told so far and Chaim.
I did read that thread, and even posted a response. These are some horrific photographs. But I don't know which documentary you mean - I didn't see it.
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Its at the end of my first post.
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Its at the end of my first post.
You first post ends with the photo of Major Felman. I don't see anything after that.
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sorry the second one with the pictures...
At the end theres a line that says "The Avoidable War"
sorry for the confusion
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O.K. I found it now. I'll watch it.
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Obviously YES Europeans are a race. Europe was the only continent to take jews in don't forget. Nations like China would've killed the jews probably.
This is an inane and stupid post. The Europeans DID kill all the Jews, many times. I bet the Chinese would have been more tolerant of them.
I believe the Indian Hindus took in many Jews at one time.
The ancient Chinese and Japanese use to have rules where if you did not greet someone you can instantly get your head chopped off. they were far from civilized. If jews went into china, thier Hashem would've probably been split into 3 deitys, and they would become full fledged polytheist within a few generations.
native americans were more civilized than chinese and japanese.
There were also africa and greater asia to choose from.
and dexter, yes europeans are a race. Europe's borders were drawn on a cultural line rather than a geographic one. NATIVE europeans today are all descendents of the indo-europeans or/and pre indo europeans.
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Europeans are not a race.
Mediterranean people are in southern europe (and the middle-east, and north africa), nordics are in northern europe, and slavs (alpine, dinaric) are in eastern europe.
You cannot define a european genetically if you including everything from Greeks to Swedes.
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Southern European mediterreanean are descendents from the latin (italic) and greek tribes, aren't they? They are all of indo-european and pre-indo-european blood. Its not like nordics are vastly different from meds. They just lived in the north longer so they have nordic features (hence the names). Thats what some skinheads think, that nordics and meds are two distinct races.
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Israel is Behind Everything. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXpF037EOFY
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Meds and nordics are distinct but closer to each other than they are to slavs genetically.
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Europeans all come from pre indo europeans and indo europeans. And all of them are closely related through invasions and migrations. end of story.
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This isn't true.
A Greek is distinguished from a Swedish person, who is distinguished from an Irish person.
Genetics prove that.
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Yeah they're all sub-races of one main race. Its like saying Iraqis and Saudis aren't related because they different genitcally. They both belong to the Semetic race.
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What the hell. I deman a mod to answer, how can this be allowed on a forum that supposedly treats white as equals?? Children of Eslav? What the F kind of BS is that? I thought gentiles and jews were equal on this board??
May be this isn't the board for me then.
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FYI, FlashIce, whitehawk has been banned.
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No i was about about Tzvi Ben Roshel from the first page. I want him to be banned for insulting whites.
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Well in any event i have a few friends from Europe and they feel under seige from the left as well as islam they are not anti Jewish at all
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What the hell. I deman a mod to answer, how can this be allowed on a forum that supposedly treats white as equals?? Children of Eslav? What the F kind of BS is that? I thought gentiles and jews were equal on this board??
May be this isn't the board for me then.
You "deman" it? Ok, here's an answer... since you "deman" it.
With the constant cursing, constant insulting of our members, your email address containing "son of satan", and even more craziness in other threads...
You are banned.
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I've visited a few countries in Europe.. Sweden was anti-Christian, forget about anti-Semitic. I don't think they know enough about Christianity to know anything about Jews. I visited the church of Sweden in Stockholm on a Sunday, and the church was almost empty. I spoke to the priest there, he said it's been like that for years. Now Ari, you said that your friend visited Italy, which part? Because many northern Italians (especially in Milano and Rome) are extreme leftists, and many are open communists. But I visited Sicily last year, they are the complete opposite. Very religious, family oriented people that support Israel 100%, and they HATE Muslims and melanzanas (eggplants:).
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I've visited a few countries in Europe.. Sweden was anti-Christian, forget about anti-Semitic. I don't think they know enough about Christianity to know anything about Jews. I visited the church of Sweden in Stockholm on a Sunday, and the church was almost empty. I spoke to the priest there, he said it's been like that for years. Now Ari, you said that your friend visited Italy, which part? Because many northern Italians (especially in Milano and Rome) are extreme leftists, and many are open communists. But I visited Sicily last year, they are the complete opposite. Very religious, family oriented people that support Israel 100%, and they HATE Muslims and melanzanas (eggplants:).
Even Mussolini couldn't get the Italians to be anti-semitic. I'll always admire the Italians for that alone.
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Mussolini really was'nt anti-Jewish himself
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I don't think Mussolini cared either way about the Jews, he just wanted power. But still, he was an evil person.
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I don't think Mussolini cared either way about the Jews, he just wanted power. But still, he was an evil person.
Oh yeah, you're right.
The way I heard it he only tried to get anti-semitism up and running to suck up to hitler. His advisors told him it wouldn't work in Italy because Italians liked their Jews. And it didn't.
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I don't think Mussolini cared either way about the Jews, he just wanted power. But still, he was an evil person.
Oh yeah, you're right.
The way I heard it he only tried to get anti-semitism up and running to suck up to hitler. His advisors told him it wouldn't work in Italy because Italians liked their Jews. And it didn't.
That's the same explanation I've heard.. and the funny thing is nobody knows it. The average person just has it in their head that the "Italians were fascists". Or they do know the truth, and don't like the Italians for supporting the Jews.
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I don't think Mussolini cared either way about the Jews, he just wanted power. But still, he was an evil person.
Oh yeah, you're right.
The way I heard it he only tried to get anti-semitism up and running to suck up to hitler. His advisors told him it wouldn't work in Italy because Italians liked their Jews. And it didn't.
That's the same explanation I've heard.. and the funny thing is nobody knows it. The average person just has it in their head that the "Italians were fascists". Or they do know the truth, and don't like the Italians for supporting the Jews.
If it's anything to do with Jews, the rationale of 90% of the goyim goes out the window.
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Obviously YES Europeans are a race. Europe was the only continent to take jews in don't forget. Nations like China would've killed the jews probably.
This is an inane and stupid post. The Europeans DID kill all the Jews, many times. I bet the Chinese would have been more tolerant of them.
I believe the Indian Hindus took in many Jews at one time.
I remember seeing a documentary a few years back about a Jewish community in China, in which it's founders were Jews who fled Europe to escape the Holocaust. I believe the title had the word "Shanghi" in it.
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Also, I have born again Christian friends in Finland, and they are really a minority there. They are considering moving to the states because of all the homosexual and anti-Christian filth running around up there. Finland, though it was aligned with Germany during WWII, did not allow Hitler to take the Finnish Jews. I feel God saved little Finland from the invading Russian Red army during the Winter War because they were good people. What the hell happened to them?! They're just as psychotically liberal as the rest of the northern Europeans now.
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Also, I have born again Christian friends in Finland, and they are really a minority there. They are considering moving to the states because of all the homosexual and anti-Christian filth running around up there. Finland, though it was aligned with Germany during WWII, did not allow Hitler to take the Finnish Jews. I feel G-d saved little Finland from the invading Russian Red army during the Winter War because they were good people. What the hell happened to them?! They're just as psychotically liberal as the rest of the northern Europeans now.
The Europeans are like they are because they've had big daddy USA doing their defense during the cold war. They are essentially like spoiled middle class college kids of the 60s and 70s who's daddy pays the bills while they rebel and protest and hate 'daddy'.
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Also, I have born again Christian friends in Finland, and they are really a minority there. They are considering moving to the states because of all the homosexual and anti-Christian filth running around up there. Finland, though it was aligned with Germany during WWII, did not allow Hitler to take the Finnish Jews. I feel G-d saved little Finland from the invading Russian Red army during the Winter War because they were good people. What the hell happened to them?! They're just as psychotically liberal as the rest of the northern Europeans now.
The Europeans are like they are because they've had big daddy USA doing their defense during the cold war. They are essentially like spoiled middle class college kids of the 60s and 70s who's daddy pays the bills while they rebel and protest and hate 'daddy'.
Never thought of it that way.. makes perfect sense though.
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Also, I have born again Christian friends in Finland, and they are really a minority there. They are considering moving to the states because of all the homosexual and anti-Christian filth running around up there. Finland, though it was aligned with Germany during WWII, did not allow Hitler to take the Finnish Jews. I feel G-d saved little Finland from the invading Russian Red army during the Winter War because they were good people. What the hell happened to them?! They're just as psychotically liberal as the rest of the northern Europeans now.
Please tell Chaim about that in the Ask JTF thread, since he thinks that the Finnish were not on the right side.
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I heard that explaination by Mark Stein , the neo-con from Canada. He makes sense on many things. He wrote a book caled America Alone, I think.
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The explanation that I heard as to why the Finns aligned themselves with the Germans is because they were invaded twice by the Russians, and couldn't afford to have them invade a third. But they obviously protected the Finnish Jews.
In retrospect, Hitler thought he could take Russia because the Finns were outnumbered by the Russians 10-40:1 in most cases.. in a few battles the ratio was even higher, and the Finns still destroyed the Russians. So Hitler mistakenly thought he could do the same easily... HAHA.
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The explanation that I heard as to why the Finns aligned themselves with the Germans is because they were invaded twice by the Russians, and couldn't afford to have them invade a third. But they obviously protected the Finnish Jews.
In retrospect, Hitler thought he could take Russia because the Finns were outnumbered by the Russians 10-40:1 in most cases.. in a few battles the ratio was even higher, and the Finns still destroyed the Russians. So Hitler mistakenly thought he could do the same easily... HAHA.
The Finns had a submachinegun before most europeans and that gave them a huge advantage over the russians in the forest battles.
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During ww2 Finnish Jews fought in the Finnish army they would pray on yom kippur right in front of the Germans and the German could'nt do a thing
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I wish I could move to Europe, the land of our ancestors. But the place unforunately is a hell hole thanks to the arabs/muslims.
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Oh I'm not arguing that the Finns had the advantage, I'm just saying that I feel G-d gave them the advantage. From a military standpoint, Germany had a much more advanced military than the Russians, and the Germans were still destroyed. I don't think the cold weather alone is what destroyed the Germans.. they were ready for arctic warfare by training in Norway.. G-d just had it in it for them :D
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Three Jewish soldiers in the Finnish army were awarded the iron cross by the Germans.
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Rachel Bayvel reveals the extraordinary story of the Finnish Jewish soldiers who fought alongside the Germans in the Second World War
Rachel Bayvel | Summer 2006 - Number 202
Despite sixty years’ intensive research and thousands of publications, certain aspects of the Second World War are still little known or remain to be discovered. It is only now, since the collapse of the Soviet Union, for example, that we can reconstruct the full story of Finland’s participation in the war.
Consider the paradoxes. Finland fought on the German side (although it always refused to call itself an ally and insisted that it was only a co-belligerent). Yet it refused to deport, persecute or even discriminate against its Jewish population. And the country even behaved humanely towards Jewish prisoners of war.
Even stranger, Jewish soldiers fought in the Finnish ranks as equals – thereby, inevitably, helping the Germans achieve some of their war aims. Yet in doing so, I will argue, they also served Jewish interests. This article explains the background to these startling anomalies.
There was no Jewish population in Finland before 1809, when it became part of the Russian Empire. In 1827 Tsar Nicholas I issued an edict requiring Jewish boys from the age of 12 – who became known as cantonists - to undertake 25 years of compulsory military service. The main aim of this edict, abolished only in 1856, was to assimilate and eventually convert Jews to Christianity. Yet the soldiers who completed their military service were allowed to live anywhere in the Russian Empire, and many remained in the last place where they had been stationed. Hence some Jewish soldiers settled in Finland and, since there were no Jewish brides there, asked matchmakers from the Pale of Settlement to help them find wives. In the absence of railways unmarried girls and widows were transported by horse-driven cart. (When former cantonists were asked ‘How did you meet your wife?’ they would reply ‘I got her from a cart.’) This was the beginning of the Finnish Jewish community.
After the 1917 Revolution some more Jews emigrated from Russia and settled in Finland, increasing the numbers to 2,000 (Finland became independent in 191. A further influx arrived after the Anschluss of 1938, when the leaders of the Finnish Jewish community asked the government to provide entry visas for Austrian Jews - whom they offered to provide for without requiring any public funds. Altogether, 300 Jewish refugees from Austria, Germany and Czechoslovakia came to Finland.
In December 1939, the Soviet Union started a war with Finland in order to gain territory. In the initial stages of the conflict (known in Finland as the Winter War) the Finnish army under Marshal Mannerheim successfully repelled the numerically superior Red Army. Then, in February 1940, Soviet troops managed to break the main defensive line (the so-called Mannerheim Line), although they continued to suffer heavy losses due to fierce resistance. The peace treaty of March 1940 forced Finland to cede parts of its territory.
From the Jewish point of view, this war was highly significant. It was the first time since the First World War that Jewish soldiers had fought on both sides of a front line. Many Jews served with distinction in the Finnish army, where they were treated as equals; 15 were killed in battle. But many also fought in the ranks of the Red Army. Lieutenant Leonid Buber, for example, was awarded the highest honour of Hero of the Soviet Union for his part in breaking the Mannerheim Line. In charge of a rifle company, he was wounded three times but did not leave the battlefield. He was later appointed a member of Jewish Antifascist Committee and was one of the few who miraculously survived after most were exterminated on Stalin’s orders in 1952.
In 1940 two Scandinavian countries - Denmark and Norway - were occupied by the Germans. Finland faced a stark choice: also being occupied or becoming another Soviet Republic like Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. Occupation was a very real danger since the German army could easily enter Finland from Norway, with a view to using its long frontier as a springboard for attacking the Soviet Union. Its substantial nickel deposits were also needed for military purposes.
In the event, the Finnish government chose to join forces with Germany in the hope of regaining the territory it had lost in the Winter War and so declared war on the Soviet Union on 25 June 1941, three days after Germany attacked the USSR. (This was the start of what is known in Finland as the Continuation War.) The German army was permitted to deploy in Lapland, in the north of the country, so to attack the Soviet Union from there. All this led Great Britain to declare war on Finland.
By August 1941 the Finnish troops under the command of Marshal Mannerheim had managed to regain the lost territories and almost reached the pre—Winter War border, securing positions on the shores of Lake Ladoga, on the Karelian Isthmus and on the Svir river. It was here the front stabilized until the summer of 1944 – something which allowed Finnish troops to play a crucial role in the further course of fighting between the Germans and Russians.
Despite the presence of German troops in Finland and the German command and Gestapo in Helsinki, Finland rejected Hitler’s demands to introduce anti—Jewish laws. Neither in Finland nor in the occupied parts of the USSR were Jews persecuted. Himmler twice came to Finland and tried in vain to persuade the Finnish authorities to deport the Jewish population. Only in a single case, near the start of the war, did the head of the Finnish police agree to extradite eight Jews without Finnish citizenship, seven of whom were immediately murdered. When the Finnish media reported on this, a huge scandal broke out and ministers resigned in protest. (In spring 1944, 160 Jewish refugees who did not have Finnish citizenship were transported to neutral Sweden to save their lives - on the orders of the Marshal Mannerheim, commander of the Finnish army.)
During the war, the lives of the Finnish Jews continued as before: synagogues and communal institutions functioned and the Jewish newspaper was published. Three hundred Jewish officers and soldiers served in the Finnish army during the Continuation War (eight were killed in battle).
Yet they faced an agonizing dilemma. Those who took part in the Winter War knew that they were fighting against an aggressor. Now Jewish soldiers understood that, by serving in an army fighting the USSR, they were also helping Hitler. Throughout the Continuation War, they had to collaborate with the Germans. Some who were fluent in German served in the Intelligence Service and so, throughout constant liaison with German Intelligence, acquired information about the extermination of European Jewry. On the other hand, Jewish soldiers remembered the words of Marshal Mannerheim when Himmler tried to persuade Finnish leaders to deport the Jews to concentration camps: ‘While Jews serve in my army I will not allow their deportation.’ By serving in the Finnish army Jewish soldiers hoped to prevent the community from being persecuted.
The maintenance of Jewish religious tradition was of paramount importance to soldiers fighting on the Finnish—Soviet front. A field synagogue was established a mere 2 kilometres from the German troops. This was the only field synagogue on the German side of the 2,000-mile front line which in 1942 stretched all the way from the North Cape in Norway to El Alamein in Egypt. The Finnish High Command granted leave to Jewish soldiers on Saturdays and Jewish holidays. Worshippers came to pray from near and far, some on skis, some on horseback, most on foot. The Germans were astonished and frustrated to see Jewish soldiers holding religious services in an army tent. It is also interesting to note that the most popular Finnish singer, the ‘soldier’s sweetheart’ (or Finnish Vera Lynn), was Jewish. Yet she entertained only Finnish soldiers and refused to do the same for the Germans.
Three Jews serving in the Finnish army were awarded Iron Crosses by the German command for their bravery (Hannu Rautkallio, ‘Cast into the Lion’s Den’, Journal of Contemporary History 29, 1994). Major Leo Skurnik was a descendant of one of the oldest cantonist Jewish families. He served as a doctor, organized the evacuation of a German field hospital and thereby saved the lives of more than 600 German officers and soldiers. He refused to accept the decoration on the grounds of being a Jew. Captain Solomon Klass saved a German company that had been surrounded by Soviet forces. Two days later, German officers came to offer him the Iron Cross. He refused to stand up and told them contemptuously that he was Jewish and did not want their medal. The officers repeated their ‘Heil Hitler’ salute and left. A third Jew, a nurse, also refused the Iron Cross.
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Information about Soviet Jewish prisoners of war captured by Finnish troops only became available recently. Some very interesting reminiscences by one such prisoner, Lazar Raskin, appeared in a special issue of the Jewish journal Lechaim (published in Russian in Moscow) devoted to the sixtieth anniversary of victory in Europe in May 2005. Raskin served as a soldier in the Red Army and, after being wounded, was taken prisoner by Finnish soldiers and sent to hospital. Later, along with over a hundred other Soviet Jewish prisoners, he was transferred to a special camp where the conditions were marginally better than in other prisoner-of-war camps.
They were assigned to a factory producing fertilizers. Raskin spent two and a half years there, as he later recalled:
In spring 1943 we were informed that several Finnish Jews were coming to our camp. We were extremely surprised because we did not think that there were Jews in Finland and that they were free to come and go. Three elderly men came and introduced themselves as representatives of the Helsinki Jewish community. They brought boxes with matzoth and told us that Passover was imminent . . . They also brought books, including stories by Shalom Aleichem and I. L. Peretz and The History of the Jews by the famous historian S. Dubnov (all in Yiddish).
In the evening after work we spent time with our visitors. We felt at ease with them and had a friendly chat in Yiddish. Just the fact that we saw Jews before us, safe and prosperous, made it a festive occasion. We knew what the Nazis were doing to European Jewry. The visitors told us that the Finnish authorities, despite the demands of the Germans, not only did not persecute the Jews but even defended their interests. Later we sang Jewish songs together. Surprisingly, the Finnish Jews knew the same songs as we did.
The prisoners also realized that the representatives of the Jewish community had spoken to the manager of the factory. After their visit the food we were given got better and the regime less strict.
The visit left a pleasant impression and we remembered it for a long time. The most precious presents were the books. Because very few people could read Yiddish I read aloud the stories of Shalom Aleichem and everybody laughed. I studied The History of the Jews very thoroughly and later gave several lectures on this theme. Everybody listened very attentively because for most of us the history of our people was absolutely unknown.
After the peace treaty between the Soviet Union and Finland was signed in 1944, Soviet prisoners of war were sent back to the USSR. It is interesting that Lazar Raskin (like most of his fellow prisoners) was not allowed to go home to his family but sent to work in the coal mines on Stalin’s orders. He was released only after Stalin’s death in 1953.
It is obvious that the policy of the Finnish authorities towards the Jews was in striking contrast with the situation not only in Germany but in its allies and in occupied countries such as France where the Vichy government actively helped to round up the Jews. One of the main reasons for this was the personality of the great Finnish leader Carl Gustav Mannerheim (1867—1951). He was a general of the Imperial Russian Army, served as a Garde du Chevalier officer to the Tsarina and accompanied Tsar Nicholas II and the Tsarina during their coronation in Moscow in 1896. He was also a scientist and explorer of Asia and the Far East.
After the Russian Revolution in 1917 he became a leader of the Finnish army which suppressed a rebellion by Bolshevik forces. It was as a result of this that Finland became an independent state. During the period from 1927 to 1939 he built the system of fortifications along the border with the USSR known as ‘the Mannerheim Line’ – which the Soviet Union in 1939 paid a heavy price in breaking through. Stalin long remembered the lesson he had been taught by Mannerheim: fierce Finnish resistance saved the country from becoming a Soviet Republic.
Mannerheim’s war aims were quite different from those of the Germans he fought alongside. He merely wanted to recover Finnish territory lost in the Winter War and to preserve the country’s independence. He had no desire to destroy the USSR because, as he once put it, ‘Russia will always be our neighbour.’ And he never pursued Hitler’s racial policies. Indeed he helped ensure that Finnish Jews had equal rights with the Christian majority.
One of the decisive battles of the Second World War was the siege of Leningrad. At the end of August 1941 the city was completely surrounded by German and Finnish troops, with the latter holding positions almost all round Lake Ladoga. The Russians controlled only part of its south-eastern shore. Because food stocks were destroyed by German bombers, a million inhabitants of Leningrad died of hunger and cold during the unusually harsh winter of 1941-2.
The only way in and out of the city was over Lake Ladoga. Hence, under the most difficult conditions, a road – known as ‘the road of life’ - was built from Leningrad to unoccupied Soviet territory via the frozen lake. It was along this road that hundreds of thousands of children, sick and wounded were evacuated from Leningrad during 1941-2, and food, armaments and ammunition brought into the city.
If it had not been for this road, Leningrad would never have been able to survive and fight on against the Germans. Yet the Finnish troops positioned around the lake could easily have destroyed ‘the road of life’. Hitler proclaimed at the beginning of the war that he would raze Leningrad to the ground. This did not happen purely because Mannerheim did not want it to happen and so refused to order his troops to attack ‘the road of life’.
If Finland had not occupied the Karelian Isthmus and the shores of Lake Ladoga, the Germans would have been there - and Leningrad would have been doomed. Mannerheim’s decision saved an important city and the 150,000 Jews (including my father) who lived and worked there during the siege.
Equally significant were the two naval ports which had not frozen over, Murmansk and Archangelsk, in the north of the USSR. Since Britain and the USA organized Arctic convoys to deliver armaments, ammunition, vehicles and food, the Germans often asked Mannerheim to bomb the railways to the ports and to cut off communications with the north. At the beginning of 1943, Hitler came to Finland for a day to congratulate Mannerheim on his 75th birthday. According to standard Soviet historians, Mannerheim assured Hitler that the Finnish army would undertake these operations after the fall of Leningrad (History of the Great Patriotic War 1941—1945, vol. 2, [Moscow, 1961]).Yet this was just a ruse to gain time - he did not want Hitler to defeat the Soviet Union.
In August 1944 Mannerheim was elected President of Finland and initiated peace negotiations with the USSR. The armistice agreement was signed in September 1944. According to this agreement Finland started military actions against German troops deployed in Lapland – an action in which some Finnish Jewish soldiers also took part.
On 6 December (Independence Day) 1944 President Mannerheim visited the Helsinki synagogue, took part in a commemorative service for the Jewish soldiers who had died in the Winter and Continuation Wars and presented the Jewish community with a medal.
It was because of Mannerheim that Finland remained an independent state, unlike the many East European countries which became satellites of the Soviet Union. Finnish Jews continued to have every opportunity to live as a vibrant community or to emigrate to Israel. Twenty-seven Jews with battle experience went there in 1948 to take part in the War of Independence.
In 2005 an exhibition dedicated to Marshal Mannerheim was held at the Hermitage museum in St Petersburg, and Finnish historians had an opportunity to show for the first time Mannerheim’s role in saving Leningrad. It is here, perhaps, that the Finnish Jewish soldiers who took part in the Second World War on the German side can take consolation. By fighting alongside the Germans, paradoxically, they helped to save not only the Finnish Jewish community but the Jewish community of Leningrad as well.
I would like to express my gratitude to Boris Ben-Ari (London) and Gideon Bolotowsky (Helsinki) for valuable information about the participation of Finnish Jewish soldiers in the Second World War.
Rachel Bayvel has a Masters degree from the University of Design and Technology in Leningrad. She has lived in London since 1978 and researches Eastern European history.
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I wish I could move to Europe, the land of our ancestors. But the place unforunately is a hell hole thanks to the arabs/muslims.
The europeans laid the groundwork for a muslim takeover. They abandonned religion and moaral absolutes for homosexuality, drugs, hedonism and sheiser movies. All great societies throughout history rotted from within before they fell to external foes.
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Yes thats true but I believe one day Europe is ressurect itself somehow.
Europeans need to stop with the whole Minoritys/gays. Hell I heard half of paris is gay, and the other half are minoritys! That is truly insane.
yet all nationalists partys of Europe never win the elections. The people know theres a problem but won't vote for them!
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Yes thats true but I believe one day Europe is ressurect itself somehow.
Europeans need to stop with the whole Minoritys/gays. Hell I heard half of paris is gay, and the other half are minoritys! That is truly insane.
yet all nationalists partys of Europe never win the elections. The people know theres a problem but won't vote for them!
It's not just France.. It's all over Europe. I never saw so many homosexuals in my life when I went to Stockholm. Throughout Scandinavia, Germany, Holland, Belgium, France, Britain.. it's all the same situation. I don't think they have a chance. It's the Roman Empire all over again.
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During ww2 Finnish Jews fought in the Finnish army they would pray on yom kippur right in front of the Germans and the German could'nt do a thing
Imagine how the krauts felt when the Americans took them prisoner and the US officers had names like Goldberg, Stein, Jolsa ?? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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The Roman Empire was great, modern europe is not.
Actually its a myth that the greeks were gay too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHk9JoXoBMY
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I want to point out that Liberals are the ones re-making history.
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I wish I could move to Europe, the land of our ancestors. But the place unforunately is a hell hole thanks to the arabs/muslims.
The europeans laid the groundwork for a muslim takeover. They abandonned religion and moaral absolutes for homosexuality, drugs, hedonism and sheiser movies. All great societies throughout history rotted from within before they fell to external foes.
They're not only Arab/muslims who hate Jews, although 95% of violent attacks is done by "youths" codeworld for muslims in PC press) they're still Nazis obsessed with "pure nordic aryan" race too...
But i laugh seeing colonials bashing us; without the Europe there woud be no Oz or US of A; and all of this abominations can be found in NYC; Sidney or LA or even Tel-Aviv all west is rotten to the core, in fact "afirmative action" and PC for ex. are all american inventions only recently and reluctantly adapted here.
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Hating Jews is built in the European Calture
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It's in their DNA. They're beyond help.
Chaim would disagree that this has anything to do with genetics.
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The Europeans have been anti-semetic for hundres if not thousands of years. Screw Europe, its done for just like newman said.
As my uncle says so eloquently, Antisemitism is as old as Judaism itself.
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At my college there is an Italian proffesor, I liked him and one time he said to me, as a joke, "Dont worry jews and Italian get along, because of our mutual enemy the blacks."
But even in Euro countries where there are no Jews, like Poland they still blame the jews for all their problems.
Wow! Did he say this in front of the whole class or just to you in private? He's risking his job when he speaks like this.
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At my college there is an Italian proffesor, I liked him and one time he said to me, as a joke, "Dont worry jews and Italian get along, because of our mutual enemy the blacks."
But even in Euro countries where there are no Jews, like Poland they still blame the jews for all their problems.
Wow! Did he say this in front of the whole class or just to you in private? He's risking his job when he speaks like this.
Speaking the truth has been grounds for losing one's job in academia for well over 30 years, now.
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Europeans have hated jews for centuries... mainly out of jealousy for the jews power and wealth due to their smarts... You know the jews have literally been kicked out of every country in Europe... countries like France and Holland several times throughout history... in the end all that can be done is to FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE HATERS
I find it both interesting and confusing that when there was an economic crisis and the Jews managed to rise above the crisis and still maintain their financial stability, that was the most evil vile thing to Europe where they felt the need to exterminate the entire Jewish people to remedy this problem. But when Muslims blow everything and everyone up, they just welcome more and more in. I guess possessing lots of brain power and money is more evil than having and using a bunch of bombs. It's insane, I tell ya!
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I don't think Mussolini cared either way about the Jews, he just wanted power. But still, he was an evil person.
Oh yeah, you're right.
The way I heard it he only tried to get anti-semitism up and running to suck up to hitler. His advisors told him it wouldn't work in Italy because Italians liked their Jews. And it didn't.
It's also because Italy was a very non-violent country and culture that would surrender and wave the white flag at the sight of a squirt gun.
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I must admit I'll enjoy a little part of it too, newman. However the sad part is watch the Jews be blamed for it and not the Muslims, LOL. After all nothing in the world will be right until a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi homeland is established.
Oh, don't ya know it's all our fault? After all, we're all part of a massive Zionist conspiracy to steal and usurp power from everyone else and dominate the whole world. Everything from economic crisis to mosquito bites is all the fault and doings of the Zionists.
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I must admit I'll enjoy a little part of it too, newman. However the sad part is watch the Jews be blamed for it and not the Muslims, LOL. After all nothing in the world will be right until a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi homeland is established.
Oh, don't ya know it's all our fault? After all, we're all part of a massive Zionist conspiracy to steal and usurp power from everyone else and dominate the whole world. Everything from economic crisis to mosquito bites is all the fault and doings of the Zionists.
For 1700 years in Europe, if somebody stubbed their toe it was the "Jooos fault".
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I wish I could move to Europe, the land of our ancestors. But the place unforunately is a hell hole thanks to the arabs/muslims.
The europeans laid the groundwork for a muslim takeover. They abandonned religion and moaral absolutes for homosexuality, drugs, hedonism and sheiser movies. All great societies throughout history rotted from within before they fell to external foes.
They're not only Arab/muslims who hate Jews, although 95% of violent attacks is done by "youths" codeworld for muslims in PC press) they're still Nazis obsessed with "pure nordic aryan" race too...
But i laugh seeing colonials bashing us; without the Europe there woud be no Oz or US of A; and all of this abominations can be found in NYC; Sidney or LA or even Tel-Aviv all west is rotten to the core, in fact "afirmative action" and PC for ex. are all american inventions only recently and reluctantly adapted here.
Actually Britain and France were the ones that promoted civil rights and MLK. USA and Australia are right-wing nations while almost all of Europe is Socialist.
The anti-americanism is pretty insane in Europe too, you really didn't see too much anti-europeanism when the French decided to slaughter a few algerians way back when, did you?
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US now is like Europe forty years ago; elect Clinton/obama and you will look the same too. Algierian war was last good thing the French did; they won the war and crushed Algerian insurgency but unfortunetly the Noir Pieds (French colonists) and army was betreyed by this jester De Goule. And PC is still American invention.
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US now is like Europe forty years ago; elect Clinton/obama and you will look the same too. Algierian war was last good thing the French did; they won the war and crushed Algerian insurgency but unfortunetly the Noir Pieds (French colonists) and army was betreyed by this jester De Goule. And PC is still American invention.
Huh? What the hell are you talking about? France and Britain promoted Civil Rights and European nations were already starting with the "racial equality" thing (ie Germany). So pray tell how we 'evil' americans created liberalism and poltical correctness.