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Title: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on March 31, 2012, 11:32:06 AM
I think that "Sieg Heil" actually means Praise the Sun. The Nazi salute is actually a "Roman salute", where the arm is extended toward the sun. And people try to say that Hitler was a devout Catholic.

I think he used the RCC for his own purposes and used that religion as a tool, but that his true beliefs were not any form of Christianity but an ancient form of sun worship. 

The RCC leadership and some priests have also often been corrupt or evil although I believe many individual Catholics are sincere Christians. I'm not a Catholic myself but I'm a non-denominational Christian so I have no reason to defend them as a denomination. I don't think it's fair to them to classify Hitler as being truly one of them though because his pagan beliefs differed so greatly from official RCC doctrines even if evil priests and an evil pope did take his side.

I think his true religious influences were people like Blavatsky and List and possibly Aleister Crowley who may or may not have met with Hitler at some point.

Statues of Apollo (a Greco-Roman sun god) sometimes show the same arm pose. Also Sieg is a rune that was also called "Sol" sometimes, which means sun.

Some say Sieg means victory and Sieg Heil means Hail the Victory. Even this plays into the sun worship aspect because "the unconquered sun" or "invincible sun" is called Sol Invictus, implying that the sun god is all powerful and unconquerable.

Hitler's attempt at creating an Axis alliance was one of the earlier modern attempts at a one-world system. He wanted the entire world to turn about the axis, not just Europe. He also put into practice the NWO doctrine of depopulation by murdering millions of people, both Jewish and others.

One thing that I was having a hard time wrapping my head around was how could Hitler be nationalistic? Nationalism is a right wing concept, while socialism is a left wing concept. You don't mix oil and water. So I got to thinking about it and concluded that Hitler only used nationalistic feelings and gave lip service to nationalism as a tool, much like he used the RCC's religion as a tool.

If he were truly nationalist, he would not have wanted the entire world to be one under his control. True nationalism calls for separation, borders, and distinct peoples. If there was a one-world system, even a Nazi one, there would be no individual nations anymore. Therefore, the nationalism that scholars use to try to portray the Nazis as right wing, was a farce. The left wing aspect, the socialism, was a true part of Nazi-ism.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on March 31, 2012, 12:24:54 PM
Yes, he believed that Christianity was a form of Jewish influence, and belief-wise he associated more with the occult.  He was essentially an Amalekite spiritually speaking (or lack thereof).  This is why you will see a bunch of neo-Nazis worshipping Odin.

Thanks for your post Dan! I remember reading something about how they had marked some graves with death runes in preference to crosses too at one point but I don't remember the exact reference at the moment.

I also think that Odin and Thor and other Norse deities have almost exact matches in Greco-Roman mythology which is one reason why probably that Nazis mixed these different things together. They all basically had their origins in sun worship which could explain many of the commonalities. I think most ancient and pagan peoples venerated the sun because it was the biggest, brightest thing they could perceive with their natural eyes. Any Bible-based belief would oppose worshipping a creation like the sun and focus on worshipping the Creator.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: mord on March 31, 2012, 01:49:36 PM
True Hitler looked like Odin  :::D :::D
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on March 31, 2012, 02:00:28 PM
True Hitler looked like Odin  :::D :::D

Too bad nobody got to gouge his eyes out.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on March 31, 2012, 02:04:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowilo_rune#Nazi_usage
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on March 31, 2012, 11:09:10 PM
Who do you guys consider the occult? The reason I ask, is because Masons are accused of that, and Hitler killed them too.

I also agree about Hitler and the Norse beliefs. And I have heard first hand about odin worship from nazis.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on March 31, 2012, 11:33:40 PM
Who do you guys consider the occult? The reason I ask, is because Masons are accused of that, and Hitler killed them too.

They use occult symbols. No wonder they are 'accused' of it. Worldy "gnosis" or knowledge is inferior to the true knowledge you can get from the Bible.

Greek and Roman and Egyptian mythology was occultic, pagan, not Biblical.

In the masonic search for "ancient knowledge", they delve into many pagan sources.

Alesteir Crowley was a mason, Albert Pike was, Eliphas Levi was also a mason and occultist. The search for "light" or "enlightenment" should begin with the Bible, not any other kind of ancient sources. Would God want you to look to the sorcerors of Egypt for knowledge and enlightenment, or would He want  you to look to the Biblical writers?

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I also agree about Hitler and the Norse beliefs. And I have heard first hand about odin worship from nazis.

Helius/Io/XAO/Ra/Horus/Apollo and the other names this entity is referred to by is also the same evil. It's wrong to honor in any way any type of sun deity. The sun is a creation, God is the creator.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on March 31, 2012, 11:39:04 PM
I meant Hitler worshiped norse gods! I don't agree with their beliefs.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on March 31, 2012, 11:48:02 PM
I meant Hitler worshiped norse gods! I don't agree with their beliefs.

Good :)
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: muman613 on March 31, 2012, 11:49:33 PM
What must be mentioned is that Hitler was able to harness Christian antisemitism in a way which no other could harness. A lot of the basis for German Jew hatred stemmed from the teaching of Martin Luther and without this foundation of Jew hatred it is doubtful whether Hitler would have been able to seize power on a platform of nullifying European Jewry and promising the extermination of world Jewry.

All righteous non-Jews are worthy of praise but there were a lot of European Christians who were supporting Hitler because of his Jew hatred. Those who fed the flame of Jew hatred are worthy of scorn.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 01, 2012, 12:08:42 AM
What must be mentioned is that Hitler was able to harness Christian antisemitism in a way which no other could harness. A lot of the basis for German Jew hatred stemmed from the teaching of Martin Luther and without this foundation of Jew hatred it is doubtful whether Hitler would have been able to seize power on a platform of nullifying European Jewry and promising the extermination of world Jewry.

That's a good point Muman. Evil people had for a long time taken control of the RCC church leadership and taught evil things through this power. The general populace believed it in earlier times because they had no viable alternative to Catholicism unless they wanted to be killed. Most people were also not able to read the Bible for themselves and were forced to rely on priests to read it for them, and could not verify in any way whether the knowledge that was passed on to them was accurate or inaccurate.

The governments were theocratic in nature, carrying out the will of evil church leadership by killing or persecuting what the RCC perceived to be its enemies.

Martin Luther came from this religious tradition, and even though he had grievances with some aspects of the church, and I think he was right to want to make some of his reformations, but as you pointed out, he was still unfortunately very evil in the way he viewed Jewish people.

European anti-semitism has its basis in these warped beliefs of both the RCC and some Protestant sources. However the Greco-Roman and Egyptian paganism was also very anti-Jewish and these too had influences within the RCC itself.  There was a lot of pagan infiltration and manipulation going on within the church power. It was far removed from the first Christians and their beliefs.

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All righteous non-Jews are worthy of praise but there were a lot of European Christians who were supporting Hitler because of his Jew hatred. Those who fed the flame of Jew hatred are worthy of scorn.

I agree with you completely on that.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on April 01, 2012, 12:18:34 AM
Alesteir Crowley was a mason, Albert Pike was, Eliphas Levi was also a mason and occultist. The search for "light" or "enlightenment" should begin with the Bible, not any other kind of ancient sources. Would G-d want you to look to the sorcerors of Egypt for knowledge and enlightenment, or would He want  you to look to the Biblical writers?


  Sorry Ruby, but that is like saying Soro's is a Jew!
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: USAReturn2GodNow1776 on April 01, 2012, 12:20:45 AM
Yep, that pretty much sums up Shitler, the anti-nationalist
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on April 01, 2012, 12:22:34 AM
I agree Martin Lucifer inspired Shitler a lot, but where did he get his Nazism from? German culture has been anti-Semitic from time immemorial.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 01, 2012, 02:09:31 AM
Alesteir Crowley was a mason, Albert Pike was, Eliphas Levi was also a mason and occultist. The search for "light" or "enlightenment" should begin with the Bible, not any other kind of ancient sources. Would G-d want you to look to the sorcerors of Egypt for knowledge and enlightenment, or would He want  you to look to the Biblical writers?


  Sorry Ruby, but that is like saying Soro's is a Jew!

No, it's not like that. Soros is technically Jewish although many on this board might believe he was "cut off" from the Jewish people because of his evil actions. It's not really my place to say whether he was or wasn't though.

Masonry teaches men to seek gnosis (worldly knowledge) and seek "light" or enlightenment. One way in which they pursue this is to look into esoteric symbols and knowledge from ancient cultures, such as the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians. They believe that these cultures had wisdom that would be useful for someone today. What ends up happening when they go down this path is that they are turning to pagans for wisdom rather than the Bible.

It's true there's a Bible in American lodges, but it's used as a non-exclusive source of "ancient knowledge" which they often have very different interpretations of than the standard understandings. For example Hiram Abiff is elevated to a much more important role than he ever had in the Bible itself.

The G stands for many things including Grand Architect (not the God of the Bible), Gnosis, Geometry, among other meanings I haven't quite worked out yet. I think there are probably six meanings but those are the three I know. 
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 01, 2012, 02:21:47 AM
Yep, that pretty much sums up Shitler, the anti-nationalist

I have a feeling you're being facetious here but if you have a better explanation then please go into it. Right wing and left wing concepts are like oil and water. Nationalism is a right wing concept. Socialism is a left wing concept. The idea of a Nationalist Socialist party doesn't make sense. Something, somewhere, has to give.

In Hitler's case, he wanted to rule the entire world.

Think of what that means in practical terms. Yes, nationalists may want their borders to expand and for them to control more resources/area, etc. and for their own nation's power to be supreme. However what he was proposing was to do away with all borders and rule the entire world.

This means the dissolving of all nations or the blending of all nations into one (minus those peoples he would consider inferior stock). Considering that he was friendly with both Muslims and Japanese this wasn't even a racial priority as much as it's made out to be. Whatever the world would have looked like had the Nazi dream come true, it certainly wouldn't have looked like a world full of Germans/Austrians. It would have been a multicultural empire rather than a monocultural nation.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: USAReturn2GodNow1776 on April 01, 2012, 02:38:09 AM
I have a feeling you're being facetious here but if you have a better explanation then please go into it. Right wing and left wing concepts are like oil and water. Nationalism is a right wing concept. Socialism is a left wing concept. The idea of a Nationalist Socialist party doesn't make sense. Something, somewhere, has to give.

In Hitler's case, he wanted to rule the entire world.

Think of what that means in practical terms. Yes, nationalists may want their borders to expand and for them to control more resources/area, etc. and for their own nation's power to be supreme. However what he was proposing was to do away with all borders and rule the entire world.

This means the dissolving of all nations or the blending of all nations into one (minus those peoples he would consider inferior stock). Considering that he was friendly with both Muslims and Japanese this wasn't even a racial priority as much as it's made out to be. Whatever the world would have looked like had the Nazi dream come true, it certainly wouldn't have looked like a world full of Germans/Austrians. It would have been a multicultural empire rather than a monocultural nation.

No, really. What you say makes sense.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 01, 2012, 02:58:34 AM
No, really. What you say makes sense.

Thanks
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on April 01, 2012, 08:50:28 PM
Thanks Ruby! For your point of view.  :)
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: mord on April 02, 2012, 07:03:08 AM
I agree Martin Lucifer inspired Shitler a lot, but where did he get his Nazism from? German culture has been anti-Semitic from time immemorial.
Actually the original Germanic tribes where very accepting of Jews                 http://www.sullivan-county.com/religion/arians_jews.htm
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on April 02, 2012, 10:54:48 AM
Actually the original Germanic tribes where very accepting of Jews                 http://www.sullivan-county.com/religion/arians_jews.htm
You make a good point. If you really go back far enough the ancient Germanic tribes were like the heroic Serbs of their day in their resistance of the Roman Nazis. But as soon as they got any kind of national identity they became Nazis.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Israel Chai on April 02, 2012, 05:02:05 PM
Whoa wait you guys like masons? I met some who were muslim and tried to tell me that everything in torah is fake and really muslims know the truth crap, and other ones who I ended up councelling who were Jews and were completely taken in by little half-useful pieces of knowedge that didn't tell the full story anyways, so they just mislead you. They were like ultimately loyal and these people didn't really tell them much anyways, and they were saying that Justin Trudeau, a liberal politician in Canada, was really the one backing them. I went to his site and they were all sympathizing about muslims being sent to Guantanamo, and generally every story I hear about masons is ignoramuses or very messed up people joining up, except for some old people who think its cool.

They will never have the fellowship or brotherhood that a Jewish community can. Their knowledge and spirituality will always be shallow and deformed in comparison.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: muman613 on April 02, 2012, 05:34:14 PM
Whoa wait you guys like masons? I met some who were muslim and tried to tell me that everything in torah is fake and really muslims know the truth crap, and other ones who I ended up councelling who were Jews and were completely taken in by little half-useful pieces of knowedge that didn't tell the full story anyways, so they just mislead you. They were like ultimately loyal and these people didn't really tell them much anyways, and they were saying that Justin Trudeau, a liberal politician in Canada, was really the one backing them. I went to his site and they were all sympathizing about muslims being sent to Guantanamo, and generally every story I hear about masons is ignoramuses or very messed up people joining up, except for some old people who think its cool.

They will never have the fellowship or brotherhood that a Jewish community can. Their knowledge and spirituality will always be shallow and deformed in comparison.

I agree that Freemasonry should never be considered a religion. Religiously it is lacking from a Jewish perspective. But as a fraternal professional organization it may have its use.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 02, 2012, 08:15:20 PM
Whoa wait you guys like masons?

I'm 100% against them.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on April 02, 2012, 10:47:21 PM
I'm 100% against them.
Ruby,I want to let you know, that I'm not a Mason, or do I worship satan. I just find them interesting!(not satan!) And yes! I was influenced by Gnostic Christianity, and not Trinitarian. And I would never push that on you.

  I would like to add Hitler was not a Mason! He hated them, and killed them second to the Jews. He did take things from them, symbols, etc. Hitler and the Russians both accused Masons and Jews of working together to take over the World! An example would be" The Elders of Zion".

  Do you think the Freemason are behind the NWO?

  P.s. I greatly appreciate your point of view.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 03, 2012, 08:00:58 AM
Ruby,I want to let you know, that I'm not a Mason, or do I worship satan. I just find them interesting!(not satan!) And yes! I was influenced by Gnostic Christianity, and not Trinitarian. And I would never push that on you.

  I would like to add Hitler was not a Mason! He hated them,

I think that many similar societies have similar hand signals but the pictures I showed definitely showed him making the unmistakable M hand sign. If he wasn't affiliated with the Masons in any way, (we don't know whether he was or wasn't, we do know he was interested in the occult and the Nazis did have their own occult groups) then he was still at the very least referring to Mercury, the eagle/messenger of Zeus.

The ancient Greeks and Egyptians were sun worshippers. The Greeks and Romans worshipped Helius, the Egyptians Ra or Horus, but at the root of it all was worship of the sun. When Masons look to the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians for 'ancient knowledge', they are looking to pagan sources.

I've seen many Jews on this board speak out against Jews being influenced by Hellenism and of course we all know that Egypt was never a friend of Israel. So why a Jewish person would want to associate themselves with those who honor Greeks and Egyptians is beyond me.

Those who seek generic "light" and who look to pagan sources such as ancient Egyptians and Greeks for their enlightenment, are going to end up down a very wrong path.

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and killed them second to the Jews. He did take things from them, symbols, etc. Hitler and the Russians both accused Masons and Jews of working together to take over the World! An example would be" The Elders of Zion".

  Do you think the Freemason are behind the NWO?

  P.s. I greatly appreciate your point of view.

I don't think individual freemasons are necessarily bad people. I respect them as individuals as long as they're not doing anything overtly evil. However I don't agree with their membership and I don't respect the organization because it conducts secret rituals and includes pagan symbols and seeks ancient wisdom from sources in addition to the Bible which is not good at all.

I do think some groups including some masonic organizations may be involved in the NWO but I don't think they're the whole picture.

I had a mason basically tell me recently that he believes that human beings are divine and have God within us, rather than there being an external God who will judge us. This is a real problem.

If a Jewish person wouldn't go into a church to pray with Christians, why would he conduct paganistic rituals with people of mixed religions in a lodge? That makes no logical sense.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on April 03, 2012, 12:28:40 PM
Masons are radical Deists. They have little in common with either Jews or Christians.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 03, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
Masons are radical Deists. They have little in common with either Jews or Christians.

I don't think any Bible believer would want to use all those occultic symbols and hand signs either.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 04, 2012, 06:01:50 PM
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/book.php?book=Proverbs&chapter=6&verse=

Proverbs teaches those who are making hand signs are doing evil.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: muman613 on April 04, 2012, 06:43:34 PM
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/book.php?book=Proverbs&chapter=6&verse=

Proverbs teaches those who are making hand signs are doing evil.

It is strange that that is the Christian interpretation of that verse. Also I find the King James translation to be somewhat distorted from the simple meaning. According to Chabad translation of the first few pasuks is:

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16377/showrashi/true

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1. My son, if you have stood surety for your fellow, have given your hand for a stranger,
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My son, if you have stood surety: Our Sages explained this as referring to surety in monetary matters, according to its apparent meaning.

2. you have been trapped by the sayings of your mouth; you have been caught by the sayings of your mouth.
3. Do this then, my son, and be saved for you have come into your fellow's palm; go, humble yourself and give your fellow superiority.
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go, humble yourself: Heb. התרפס [a combination of two words, התר פס], open the palm of your hand for him to pay him his money.
and give your fellow superiority: Heb. ורהב. And if he has no money with you, only that you were trapped with the sayings of your mouth by speaking harshly to him, bring many friends to him to beg him to forgive you. Another explanation:
[1] My son, if you stood surety for your Friend: After you stood surety for the Holy One, blessed be He, Who is your “friend,” as it is written (Song 5:16): “This is my beloved and this is my friend”; you undertook at Sinai and in the plains of Moab with a curse and with an oath to observe His commandments.
have given your hand to a stranger: You have repented and turned from His ways and clung to the disbelievers to go in their ways.
[2] you have been trapped by the sayings of your mouth: You have given your hand to cling to strangers.
[3] Do this, then, my son, and be saved: Since you have come into the palm of your Friend at Sinai and you have accepted His Godliness over you,
go, humble yourself: Heb. התרפס. Humble yourself before Him like a threshold, which is trodden (נרפסת) and stepped on.
and increase your friends: Bring many friends who will pray for you before Him. In this manner it is expounded on in Midrash Psalms.

4. Give no sleep to your eyes nor slumber to your eyelids.

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It appears that this has nothing to do with 'hand signs' and more to do with the idea of clinging to foreign ideas. It also appears that the sages have said that this hand shaking has to do with monetary matters.

Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 04, 2012, 06:52:36 PM
I really think if someone has to hide what they do with secret signals and signs that they are not a good person.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: muman613 on April 04, 2012, 06:53:11 PM
In Judaism there is a special significance to the handshake...



http://www.torah.org/advanced/business-halacha/5757/vol2no34.html

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Question:

What Halachic obligations are created by the formalization of a transaction with a handshake, and when is a handshake considered an oath?

Answer:

A. There are actually three different types of handshakes, and each has different Halachic ramifications:
1. A handshake to formalize an acquisition (Kinyan) and transfer ownership from one party to another, in industries and societies where this is customarily done. For example, in the diamond industry a handshake is commonly used to effect a Kinyan.

2. A handshake can be used as an oath to obligate one's self to do something that he is committing himself to. This may be done between two parties, but may also be used to obligate one's self to do something not related to the person that he is shaking hands with.

3. A handshake to consummate an agreement with a friend, which obligates both of them to perform certain future commitments that they have made to one another.
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Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: muman613 on April 04, 2012, 06:53:44 PM
I really think if someone has to hide what they do with secret signals and signs that they are not a good person.

Indeed... A Handshake is a special covenant between two people in a transaction. It should not be in secret...
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: muman613 on April 04, 2012, 06:55:56 PM
This article may also be of interest concerning Jews view of hand signs...

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/407512/jewish/Hand-Signs-of-the-Jew.htm

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Why Use Signs?

Hands are used to communicate or to show signs of respect or loyalty. In the religious sense, it may be to communicate with G-d, or to make others aware of respect or obedience to G-d. A hand sign also adds a physical dimension to the religious involvement expressed by speaking, singing or chanting.

The making of a sign signifies a group or community. Those who enter and recognize the sign will know that they have entered their own community. In some communities, these signs have been secret since the members had to impart a message that would have otherwise brought them into danger.

Jewish Hand Signs

Hand signs do not play as important a role in Jewish religious practice as in some other communities. Because the signs tend to be traditional, they are used less frequently and often not at all by less traditional Jews. There are no doubt many Jews who have never seen some of the hand signs, nor do they understand their origins and purpose.

(http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Blessings/Synagogue_Blessings/Priestly_Blessing/priestly-hands.gif)
The Sign of the Priestly Blessing

Of all the Jewish hand signs, the most famous is that of the priestly blessing, the Birchat Kohanim, and yet it is rarely seen. This is the sign of both hands outstretched at shoulder height under a tallit, with the fingers spread apart, as the Kohen blesses the congregation. The Kohen's face is covered. The hands in the position of the priestly blessing are often seen as decoration on jewelry or on the tombstone of a Kohen.

The hands are held with the fingers straight ahead with the little finger of each hand separated from the ring finger and a space between the second and third fingers. There is a further space between the two thumbs, making a total of five spaces. The palms are face downwards. The right hand is placed slightly above the left. This raising of the hands during the blessing is called the nesiat kohanim.

Breast Beating

At any time during a confessional, when the words "we have sinned" or words to that effect are stated, it is the custom to beat the left breast over the heart with the right fist. Self-flagellation is common in many religions. The Jewish practice of breast beating however, is not flagellation and is not intended to be painful. It is a symbol to remind the person of the words being spoken and to encourage penitence.

Pointing at the Torah

Following the reading of the Torah, the scroll is raised while still open for all to see. Once the act of raising the Torah or hagbah takes place, some communities have the custom to point at the Torah with the small finger, others point while holding the tzitzit or fringes of one's tallit while reciting the words "and this is the Torah."

Blessings over Shabbat Candles

When Shabbat candles are lit, a ritual involving hands takes place. Usually this is done by the woman lighting the candles, though if there is no woman in the house, a man is obligated to do it. The candles are lit, and with both hands she waves the light towards her three times. The symbolism is to draw the spirit of the holiness of the Shabbat towards her. She closes her eyes, covers them with her hands, and recites the blessing. It is this sight of physical movement, bathed in the soft glow of the candles, and the faint murmur of her prayers that has been etched into the memories of so many generations of Jews.

It is often the physical aspect of a ritual that not only adds to but impresses on us the importance of the ritual, so that we remember it long after the ritual is over. That is what Jewish hand signs are all about.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 04, 2012, 06:58:01 PM
Indeed... A Handshake is a special covenant between two people in a transaction. It should not be in secret...

The handshake itself isn't bad but a lot of times there will be special handshakes which have secret meanings too.

Another thing I forgot to mention that I really should have mentioned before is that in addition to M for Mason and M for Mercury and an eagle claw mimic, and the M hand sign representing the letter Sigma, that M is also a Roman numeral for 1000. 1000 is also code for Helius/pagan sun deity.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on April 04, 2012, 07:39:14 PM
  Would you not use secret codes and symbols? If you were burnt at the stake for your beliefs and forced to say you worship satan.

  Sorry that is all I can say right now.

 P.S. I really did not want to get into this.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 04, 2012, 08:04:37 PM
  Would you not use secret codes and symbols? If you were burnt at the stake for your beliefs and forced to say you worship satan.

  Sorry that is all I can say right now.

 P.S. I really did not want to get into this.

If you don't want to get into it then don't post in the thread anymore. I just think that in general good people don't need to hide what they do. If there is a specific reason for it then that's one thing like avoiding persecution but just in general every day life today, I don't see why you can't operate openly.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on April 04, 2012, 10:34:14 PM
Yes, I don’t understand why they hide things today, but I’m not one of them. And I don’t really know what they are really about anymore. I AM a descendent of the Hussites. Who supposedly came from the Knights Templar? That is the predecessors of the Masons. (I believe).

  I could say something’s about pagan beliefs in the Roman Church (That has influenced Protestant Christianity), but I won’t.

  I do not want to fight with you, Ruby! We should all be together now! (Christians, Christians, and Jews!)
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 05, 2012, 07:26:02 AM
When Christians took over areas that were formerly pagan, some of the pagan practices were cleansed out, but others were harder to remove, and unfortunately some influence went back the wrong way. I'm aware of the issues you're talking about.

One set of great grandparents of mine were into masonry (that I know of, there could have been others). The wife was in Eastern Star, the husband was in Masonry proper. I'm not happy about this because I think it actually has caused spiritual problems for me because of generational things. If you have people in your family who were into the occult then that can affect you too, you have to pray about that in case there are any residual effects.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Zelhar on April 05, 2012, 08:13:31 AM
I don't think the Celts and the other northern European pagans were evil, or more evil, then the common Christian crusader and the pre-christian Romans of their time.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 05, 2012, 09:03:23 AM
I don't think the Celts and the other northern European pagans were evil, or more evil, then the common Christian crusader and the pre-christian Romans of their time.

The pre-Christian Romans are one of the main peoples that Masons admire for their "ancient knowledge".

All the pagans in Europe and elsewhere were evil though. The Celts for example committed human sacrifice by tying people into wicker baskets and setting them on fire.

The crusaders were sent out by evil leadership to do evil things.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Zelhar on April 05, 2012, 09:18:39 AM
Is there a proof or strong evidence that the Celts were practicing human sacrifice ?

It is said that the Celts and the Goths used to settle arguments out of courts - by dueling to the death.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 05, 2012, 09:30:08 AM
Is there a proof or strong evidence that the Celts were practicing human sacrifice ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice#Celts

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It is said that the Celts and the Goths used to settle arguments out of courts - by dueling to the death.

Lots of people did that. It even used to be socially acceptable in the USA to challenge a social equal to a duel.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: ~Hanna~ on April 05, 2012, 06:29:18 PM

very true.

I don't think any Bible believer would want to use all those occultic symbols and hand signs either.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Israel Chai on April 06, 2012, 10:49:43 AM
I heard Hiter was influenced by the golden dawn.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Israel Chai on April 06, 2012, 11:01:50 AM
Is there a proof or strong evidence that the Celts were practicing human sacrifice ?

Where does putting "christmas bulbs" on a tree (formerly oak) come from?
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 06, 2012, 11:26:04 AM
I heard Hiter was influenced by the golden dawn.

He was and also other occult influences. You have to understand that the order of the golden dawn and masonry are linked in some ways though. Aleister Crowley was involved with both.

I think I'm going to prepare an essay about Crowley where I talk about his extensive influence on modern culture and left wing ideas.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Israel Chai on April 06, 2012, 07:57:43 PM
He was and also other occult influences. You have to understand that the order of the golden dawn and masonry are linked in some ways though. Aleister Crowley was involved with both.

I think I'm going to prepare an essay about Crowley where I talk about his extensive influence on modern culture and left wing ideas.

Should you have any interest in an editor or a second opinion, I would be happy to help.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 07, 2012, 06:43:33 AM
Where does putting "christmas bulbs" on a tree (formerly oak) come from?

I think it used to be candles but modern lights are safer and less likely to set the tree on fire (although it still happens). If people are going to have a tree it should definitely be an artificial one IMHO or don't put lights on it.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 07, 2012, 06:44:28 AM
Should you have any interest in an editor or a second opinion, I would be happy to help.

Thanks for the offer I'll keep it in mind.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Israel Chai on April 07, 2012, 04:00:19 PM
I think it used to be candles but modern lights are safer and less likely to set the tree on fire (although it still happens). If people are going to have a tree it should definitely be an artificial one IMHO or don't put lights on it.

Try earlier with galic/ spanish/ germanic worship of Essus. And I'm talking about the bulbs, not the lights.
Title: Re: Hitler was a sun worshipping pagan
Post by: Rubystars on April 08, 2012, 01:11:21 AM
Try earlier with galic/ spanish/ germanic worship of Essus. And I'm talking about the bulbs, not the lights.

It's common knowledge that the tree and other things have pagan origins