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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Reaganukics on May 25, 2012, 05:15:15 PM
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So I want to ban contraception.
Mastermeerkat disagrees heavily.
I argue that artificial contraception (i.e., sterilization, condoms, and birth control pills) is in fact is the root of immorality today. It broke up the family. It literally has caused many divorces, many STD infections (through condoms not actually working to prevent viral STDs), and ironically many unexpected pregnancies through birth control pills not being 100% effective (i.e., not being complete sterilizations) when people think that they are sterilizations.
I am AGNOSTIC, not a Fundamentalist Christian as you may think.
Contraception is the root of abortion. Abortion is just when your contraception fails and you kill the child. Contraception IS abortion, in that abortion and contraception are both ways of preventing the birth of the child artificially.
This is NOT a health issue. Mental, sociological, and physical health is in fact deteriorated by contraception and the immorality that it promotes.
What does JTF think?
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I hope that one day it may be so... But today it is not possible. What is needed is to change peoples perception of sexual relations, from being a cool thing to do when you have time to waste, to an intimate relationship with ones soulmate. That sex is intended for procreation and not pleasure....
But I sound like a lunatic when I say that in todays sex-crazed atmosphere.
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I think the real problem is intimate relations outside of marriage where marriage is a lifetime monogamous relationship between a man and a woman. Marital contraception is often necessary as many married women have careers and stuff and must strategically time when the children are to come. As for people who make the immoral choice to have extramarital relations, encouraging them to use contraception is the moral thing to do as no child deserves to be born to parents who have chosen an immoral lifestyle.
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So you want to ban contraception between those who are married as well? Every married couple should abstain so they don't have more kids than they handle or afford. Well I suppose withdrawal will do the job. The sin of onan.
And a newly married couple where the wife needs to time her mikveh for the
wedding and cannot be in niddah. So no pill there either?
Gd did not create the garden of Eden without the tree of life and tree of knowledge. It was there to show us we can exercise free will. For the unmarried,they need to be taught self control. Not make condoms and other contraception illegal.
I'm ready for a debate on this issue.
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Unmarried people should not have sex at all and married people should be able to control how many children they have. Besides, I think rather than reducing abortions that if contraception were not available that people would have MORE abortions. Plus if a woman gets raped then emergency contraception can prevent a pregnancy.
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Oh and another thing, contraception is abortion? So when ever a 12 year old has her period, she's wasting a child? And a husband who is allowed and required to pleasue his wife is committing fetal murder if non of his sperm fertilizes her egg?
And will give an excuse for a man to rape is wife so not to commit an abortion with his sperm? I'm sorry that sounds very Islamic to me.
Sperm and eggs do not hold the same weight to a fetus it fertilized egg. Your suggestion us extremist and has no place on any logical and righteous movement.
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I hope that one day it may be so... But today it is not possible. What is needed is to change peoples perception of sexual relations, from being a cool thing to do when you have time to waste, to an intimate relationship with ones soulmate. That sex is intended for procreation and not pleasure....
But I sound like a lunatic when I say that in todays sex-crazed atmosphere.
Yeah, I hate society. The majority of people think that it's a health issue. Pregnancy, of course, is not a disease.
I think the real problem is intimate relations outside of marriage where marriage is a lifetime monogamous relationship between a man and a woman. Marital contraception is often necessary as many married women have careers and stuff and must strategically time when the children are to come. As for people who make the immoral choice to have extramarital relations, encouraging them to use contraception is the moral thing to do as no child deserves to be born to parents who have chosen an immoral lifestyle.
I was born to parents who have an immoral lifestyle. Not too bad, actually, even though I hate my parents.
So you want to ban contraception between those who are married as well? Every married couple should abstain so they don't have more kids than they handle or afford. Well I suppose withdrawal will do the job. The sin of onan.
And a newly married couple where the wife needs to time her mikveh for the wedding and cannot be in niddah. So no pill there either?
Gd did not create the garden of Eden without the tree of life and tree of knowledge. It was there to show us we can exercise free will. For the unmarried,they need to be taught self control. Not make condoms and other contraception illegal.
I'm ready for a debate on this issue.
Yes. The timing method does its job very well. I'm not a Jew, I don't know these Hebrew terms! LOL.
If we banned contraception only for the unmarried, that would not go very well, since it gives married people an exemption.
Free will...nice argument. So we have the right to steal and murder? Were the Ten Commandments fake?
Unmarried people should not have sex at all and married people should be able to control how many children they have. Besides, I think rather than reducing abortions that if contraception were not available that people would have MORE abortions. Plus if a woman gets raped then emergency contraception can prevent a pregnancy.
1. Ban abortion.
2. Enforce death penalties for rape, murder, contraceptive use, abortion, etc. and prevent people who get ill with illegal "back-alley" abortions from getting care, effectively killing them.
3. ???
4. PROFIT!
Oh and another thing, contraception is abortion? So when ever a 12 year old has her period, she's wasting a child? And a husband who is allowed and required to pleasue his wife is committing fetal murder if non of his sperm fertilizes her egg?
And will give an excuse for a man to rape is wife so not to commit an abortion with his sperm? I'm sorry that sounds very Islamic to me.
Sperm and eggs do not hold the same weight to a fetus it fertilized egg. Your suggestion us extremist and has no place on any logical and righteous movement.
I didn't say to ban natural means of contraception, and to justify rape to fertilize eggs. No, this is not Islamic. Islam clearly has no place in society. I'm not proposing mandated sex or anything of that nature, I am saying that artificial means of contraception should be illegal. It is not extremist, and you are simply stretching what I said.
I look forward to your replies. Nice to have a good debate every once in a while. Keeps me fresh.
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I disagree here.. quite a bit.
If we are talking about adults.... I think its absurd to have the government ban something such as contraception.
Also, there is a large segment of the population that needs to stop procreating like rabbits....
For example, this fine young gentleman who has 30 kids:
(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2012-05/70017357.jpg)
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Briann...
You just topped off my great day with a great laugh.
Thank you.
But he (along with that large segment that you're referring to) is not using any contraception.
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How do you feel about women who have hormonal problems and need to take contraceptives to even them out, like women who have terrible PMDD? Sometimes the symptoms can be really severe and can interfere with family relationships and work.
Also a death penalty for abortion should perhaps only be legal for the doctors. I don't think the women should be put to death because many of them are coerced into getting abortions. Some women are told if they don't get an abortion their boyfriends will kill them, or their parents will kick them out of the house and they'll be on the street to fend for themselves, etc.
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I'm not saying abortion is good. But I don't see why it should be illegal
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Well, I think we should allow birth control pills with a one month duration. That is, a one month long cycle. This would both fix the problem and not be too bad (or not bad at all?) on the contraceptive front.
Well...if you're FORCED into an abortion that you really don't want...The person (or people) that forced it on you dies.
I personally would kick my children out on to the street if they had premarital sex, and leave them to fend for themselves, but I don't have children, being fifteen (soon sixteen) years of age and thus an unmarried virgin.
I would actually let the grandchild live with me, and just kick my child that had sex out, though.
BUT MY BEING CRUEL IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY FROM BANNING CONTRACEPTION.
I also would allow fallopian abortions, i.e., abortions to fallopian pregnancies where the abortion is required to save the life of the mother, often where the child cannot survive anyway.
(And HateIslam, give me all possible reasons that it should be legal.)
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Nobody should be forced to preserve the life of another human being. Nobody should have to administer CPR or be forced to send money to help people who are starving or dying of preventable diseases. Withdrawing care is a basic right!
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Well, what about the orphanage?
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^ I support them 100%. Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% pro-care, just against forced care.
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I'm not saying abortion is good. But I don't see why it should be illegal
You don't? You need to unlearn the leftist propoganda.
ok, how about if a mother has a premature baby at 7 months, and shortly after the baby is born, the mom decides the baby would be a burden to society, and strangles the baby.
Do you see why maybe her action should be illegal/criminal?
Now, what if a mom has an abortion of her baby in the 7th month for the exact reason.
Do you see why maybe her action should be illegal/criminal?
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You don't? You need to unlearn the leftist propoganda.
ok, how about if a mother has a premature baby at 7 months, and shortly after the baby is born, the mom decides the baby would be a burden to society, and strangles the baby.
Do you see why maybe her action should be illegal/criminal?
Now, what if a mom has an abortion of her baby in the 7th month for the exact reason.
Do you see why maybe her action should be illegal/criminal?
Ok, great point. All I support is the woman's right to remove the fetus from her body at any time she wants. No action should be taken to end the life of the fetus. That would be murder. Either it will survive if it is mature enough and somebody cares for it, or it will die on its own. Yes, I admit that abortion as it is almost always performed, is murder.
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Um...
Removing the fetus when it's too young to survive is effectively abortion.
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Yeah, I hate society. The majority of people think that it's a health issue. Pregnancy, of course, is not a disease.
I was born to parents who have an immoral lifestyle. Not too bad, actually, even though I hate my parents.
Yes. The timing method does its job very well. I'm not a Jew, I don't know these Hebrew terms! LOL.
If we banned contraception only for the unmarried, that would not go very well, since it gives married people an exemption.
Free will...nice argument. So we have the right to steal and murder? Were the Ten Commandments fake?
1. Ban abortion.
2. Enforce death penalties for rape, murder, contraceptive use, abortion, etc. and prevent people who get ill with illegal "back-alley" abortions from getting care, effectively killing them.
3. ???
4. PROFIT!
I didn't say to ban natural means of contraception, and to justify rape to fertilize eggs. No, this is not Islamic. Islam clearly has no place in society. I'm not proposing mandated sex or anything of that nature, I am saying that artificial means of contraception should be illegal. It is not extremist, and you are simply stretching what I said.
I look forward to your replies. Nice to have a good debate every once in a while. Keeps me fresh.
In Jewish marraige, sex isn't just for procreation. It is a wife's right to receive pleasure. Therefore sex between husband and wife can include certain types of contraception.
Secondly, a Jewish woman is not supposed to consummate marriage when she is going through her period or Niddah. She would need to sometimes take the pill for proper timing.
Thirdly, timing isn't everything. It's not simple in many women. My wife got pregnant when we weren't timing and wouldn't get pregnant when we were timing.
Fourthly, onen was one of Judah's sons. He would withdraw everytime his wife wanted him to make kids. Gd punished him with death for spilling his seed or masturbating. It may seem that this would make your argument. However if a husband and wife to stay in accordance to Torah law but dont want another child yet, and timing isn't full proof (and if you were married and older and more mature) you would understand how wrong your point of view is), the wife would have to use the pill.
Fifthly, for a woman to give birth consecutive years is not healthy for her.
Sixthly, the use of contraception is not abortion. That is an insane remark that would only be valid to extreme nutjobs who have no experience in real life. This is a view a deprived man would feel so that he doesn't feel bad about himself not being able to find a girlfriend, but nevermind that.
As far as the story of Adam and eve and free will. I have free will to murder or steal. But I know its wrong. So I choose the opposite. I know sex outside of marriage is wrong so I find my soulmate and marry her. I teach my children to do the right thing. I limit the tv shows they can watch I make sure they have the right friends. At that point they have the education to make proper decisions. They have free will too.
Truthfully, this thought of yours is one of a result of depravity and not morality imo
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Um...
Removing the fetus when it's too young to survive is effectively abortion.
I would plead with anyone considering taking a fetus out of their body to reconsider. I would celebrate if they reconsidered and chose life.
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Ok, great point. All I support is the woman's right to remove the fetus from her body at any time she wants. No action should be taken to end the life of the fetus. That would be murder. Either it will survive if it is mature enough and somebody cares for it, or it will die on its own.
That's kiinda disturbing, and I still think you are missing the point here. There are some babies who need special care LONG after they are born to survive.
Should parents be allowed to let them die since their organs/bodily systems haven't developed properly?
What if a mother knowingly allowed her 10 year old with developmental problems to die?
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That's kiinda disturbing, and I still think you are missing the point here. There are some babies who need special care LONG after they are born to survive.
Should parents be allowed to let them die since their organs/bodily systems haven't developed properly?
Yes, but somebody is gonna step in and save the child. I know I would.
What if a mother knowingly allowed her 10 year old with developmental problems to die?
Did she hide the child away to prevent anyone else from discovering and caring for the child? If so, then she murdered the child by inflicting a condition where nobody else could intervene and save the child. If the mother did not hide the child away from potential rescuers, then somebody is going to rescue and care for the child. I would.
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There are machines that will keep very young fetuses alive, and until you've watched a video of an abortion, you don't understand that it doesn't compare to anything in terms of cruelty.
Your premise for the abolition of contraception is misguided, but fundamentally correct. Your method is not. Ban it, and every Chinese businessman will jump on a boat-load of condoms and bring it here.
It was brought up that pre-marital sex is the only problematic area in terms of contraceptive use. You therefore propose we tyrannize the youth even more, and give them death for following the path we've carved to rebellion. Not very insightful, buddy.
The way to change this problem is to change the society, and the way to do that is the slow process of changing others, and the quickest way to do that is to change yourself. Promote the right way, be a loving person and show others your boundaries, and you will make a difference, although you will never succeed completely for any society until the messiah comes. Also, you have absolutely no chance of success as an agnostic, because you are then doing this for honor, and in a weak moment you will surely reach out to what you oppose. You can not do this for honor, because that is not a constant, G-d is. I'm not going to preach to anyone, but if you want to keep up these ideals, know where they come from and believe it, if you indeed are called to follow it.
As a 15 year old in what I am assuming is the states, he is likely exposed daily and encouraged to try all manner of birth control, even in school. This I disagree with, I don't want my fifteen year old daughter to have to have a conversation with me about her teacher's studded condom preference, and the first rule of marketing is that a more a product is advertised, the more it is bought, so yes, ban propagating kids with things like "safe sex", (which is the ultimate in liberal Orwellian terms, considering you don't know the person well enough to ensure they're not diseased (and by that logic, also an axe murderer), you don't trust the person enough to have a kid with them (which follows, don't love them or trust them to take care of you), you are too young to care for a kid (and also likely too young not to get yourself into all manner of trouble when left to your own vices), or you are too poor, which isn't any excuse for not having kids, but you certainly should focus on G-d's first commandment to man before the second one.) and lots of other crap they feed kids in the schools, but computer gaming destroys as many lives as contraceptives, though tyrannizing it would make it worse for the abusers, and would be unfair to those that use it in accordance with G-dly law, as with contraceptives.
My gut tells me you're a s*** disturber trying to make this site absurd, though I'll take your word that you're a kid trying to learn for now, but seriously think about what you say when before you post, unless you're good at not thinking (still probably bad), and think about what others respond to you; don't make people waste words that are doing you a favor.
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Yes, but somebody is gonna step in and save the child. I know I would.
Did she hide the child away to prevent anyone else from discovering and caring for the child? If so, then she murdered the child by inflicting a condition where nobody else could intervene and save the child. If the mother did not hide the child away from potential rescuers, then somebody is going to rescue and care for the child. I would.
Still missing the point. What if the mother and baby are deserted on an Island in Alaska.
The mother has a 5 year supply of medicine and food for her baby.
However, after a few months on the Island, the mom stops giving the baby medicine so that her baby could die, because she is tired of the baby crying.
Did the mother do something illegal?
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The thought process here sounds like a 15 yr old who is jealous that he isn't in the in crowd and is taking an opposing view so he can feel better about himself.
A child and fetus are not commodities. They are people. And once you have a pregnant wife or become a father as a result of a healthy marriage, you will not only understand the value of life, you will become vehemently pro life and anti death. But if you are a teenager and just throw ridiculous arguments for this and against that, you will suffer until you give in to the real truths which aren't necessarily extremes in either end.
To this 15 yr old..loosen up. Forget the popular crowd. Go study and get good grades. Exercise and play sports. Get into college. Live a little and by a little I don't mean premarital sex and drugs. Get a profession, find your soul mate and get married with kids.
Single people will risk their lives for an ideal. But a father will risk his life for his children for the ideals. To me, a father makes a better fighter if he loves his kids.
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Still missing the point. What if the mother and baby are deserted on an Island in Alaska.
The mother has a 5 year supply of medicine and food for her baby.
However, after a few months on the Island, the mom stops giving the baby medicine so that her baby could die, because she is tired of the baby crying.
Did the mother do something illegal?
You drive a hard bargain, Briann. But I still cannot support a law forcing her to give the child the meds if she does not want to. It would set a precedent for taxation to "help the poor starving children in Poorlandia." It's a slippery slope.
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In Jewish marraige, sex isn't just for procreation. It is a wife's right to receive pleasure. Therefore sex between husband and wife can include certain types of contraception.
Secondly, a Jewish woman is not supposed to consummate marriage when she is going through her period or Niddah. She would need to sometimes take the pill for proper timing.
Thirdly, timing isn't everything. It's not simple in many women. My wife got pregnant when we weren't timing and wouldn't get pregnant when we were timing.
Fourthly, onen was one of Judah's sons. He would withdraw everytime his wife wanted him to make kids. Gd punished him with death for spilling his seed or masturbating. It may seem that this would make your argument. However if a husband and wife to stay in accordance to Torah law but dont want another child yet, and timing isn't full proof (and if you were married and older and more mature) you would understand how wrong your point of view is), the wife would have to use the pill.
Fifthly, for a woman to give birth consecutive years is not healthy for her.
Sixthly, the use of contraception is not abortion. That is an insane remark that would only be valid to extreme nutjobs who have no experience in real life. This is a view a deprived man would feel so that he doesn't feel bad about himself not being able to find a girlfriend, but nevermind that.
As far as the story of Adam and eve and free will. I have free will to murder or steal. But I know its wrong. So I choose the opposite. I know sex outside of marriage is wrong so I find my soulmate and marry her. I teach my children to do the right thing. I limit the tv shows they can watch I make sure they have the right friends. At that point they have the education to make proper decisions. They have free will too.
Truthfully, this thought of yours is one of a result of depravity and not morality imo
What kind of depravity are we talking about here?
There are machines that will keep very young fetuses alive, and until you've watched a video of an abortion, you don't understand that it doesn't compare to anything in terms of cruelty.
I've seen abortion on video. Yes, abortion is cruel, but note what I noted "in that...".
Your premise for the abolition of contraception is misguided, but fundamentally correct. Your method is not. Ban it, and every Chinese businessman will jump on a boat-load of condoms and bring it here.
Yes, the fact that there will probably be cartels, gangs, etc. for contraceptive use if it's banned...but that doesn't legitimize its use.
It was brought up that pre-marital sex is the only problematic area in terms of contraceptive use. You therefore propose we tyrannize the youth even more, and give them death for following the path we've carved to rebellion. Not very insightful, buddy.
Yes, the possibility also exists the youth will rebel. But I think the worst "rebellion" we can get would be just a bit worse than Woodstock.
The way to change this problem is to change the society, and the way to do that is the slow process of changing others, and the quickest way to do that is to change yourself. Promote the right way, be a loving person and show others your boundaries, and you will make a difference, although you will never succeed completely for any society until the messiah comes. Also, you have absolutely no chance of success as an agnostic, because you are then doing this for honor, and in a weak moment you will surely reach out to what you oppose. You can not do this for honor, because that is not a constant, G-d is. I'm not going to preach to anyone, but if you want to keep up these ideals, know where they come from and believe it, if you indeed are called to follow it.
Society will have to change. I believe that the quickest way to change is to ban contraception, because contraception is what caused morals to break down.
As a 15 year old in what I am assuming is the states, he is likely exposed daily and encouraged to try all manner of birth control, even in school. This I disagree with, I don't want my fifteen year old daughter to have to have a conversation with me about her teacher's studded condom preference, and the first rule of marketing is that a more a product is advertised, the more it is bought, so yes, ban propagating kids with things like "safe sex", (which is the ultimate in liberal Orwellian terms, considering you don't know the person well enough to ensure they're not diseased (and by that logic, also an axe murderer), you don't trust the person enough to have a kid with them (which follows, don't love them or trust them to take care of you), you are too young to care for a kid (and also likely too young not to get yourself into all manner of trouble when left to your own vices), or you are too poor, which isn't any excuse for not having kids, but you certainly should focus on G-d's first commandment to man before the second one.) and lots of other crap they feed kids in the schools, but computer gaming destroys as many lives as contraceptives, though tyrannizing it would make it worse for the abusers, and would be unfair to those that use it in accordance with G-dly law, as with contraceptives.
I am indeed a fiffteen year old in America. I am in Catholic school, so I get all of the bad things about contraception and good things about abstaining, but it seems that the other kids don't listen to that, because every few days some guy(s) will begin asking me about my sex life and I'll be like "I'm waiting until marriage to have sex." and they'll be completely dumbfounded. I'd also like to add that those kids don't listen in classes and instead listen to what the kids from the public schools say, leading to them also developing immoral lifestyles.
Ban propagating safe sex, indeed. In fact, look lower in my post to see the process of prohibition of contraception.
However, I cannot comment on computer gaming damaging lives due to a personal bias: I'm trying to start a video game company.
My gut tells me you're a s*** disturber trying to make this site absurd, though I'll take your word that you're a kid trying to learn for now, but seriously think about what you say when before you post, unless you're good at not thinking (still probably bad), and think about what others respond to you; don't make people waste words that are doing you a favor.
I said that I'm a kid trying to learn? Learn what? o.O
Oh, this topic was to see if I could get a good debate going, and to see how JTF would respond to a topic of this nature.
Meanwhile, I've come up with a process for banning contraceptives:
1. Withdraw contraceptive education from schools, preach abstinence. (of course)
2. Force state and local governments to stop giving out condoms.
3. Enforce massive regulations on condom and birth control pill manufacturers.
4. Skyrocket the cost of condoms and birth control pills.
5. Continue for awhile until no one is using condoms or birth control.
6. Eventually, ban contraceptives.
Does that make a bit more sense?
Oh! I forgot this last post to quote...
The thought process here sounds like a 15 yr old who is jealous that he isn't in the in crowd and is taking an opposing view so he can feel better about himself.
A child and fetus are not commodities. They are people. And once you have a pregnant wife or become a father as a result of a healthy marriage, you will not only understand the value of life, you will become vehemently pro life and anti death. But if you are a teenager and just throw ridiculous arguments for this and against that, you will suffer until you give in to the real truths which aren't necessarily extremes in either end.
To this 15 yr old..loosen up. Forget the popular crowd. Go study and get good grades. Exercise and play sports. Get into college. Live a little and by a little I don't mean premarital sex and drugs. Get a profession, find your soul mate and get married with kids.
Single people will risk their lives for an ideal. But a father will risk his life for his children for the ideals. To me, a father makes a better fighter if he loves his kids.
I'm not jealous, not at all.
At the last three lines, yeah I'm trying to make a business, I have a girlfriend, and I won't get married and have kids at fifteen years old. I'm waiting until I'm about 20 for that. Lawl, I'm completely un-athletic. XD But yeah, okay, whateeever you say.
And at the paragraph with "A child and fetus are not commodities."...I did not say that they are. Maybe you are correct, but for now, I do believe myself to be correct.
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What kind of depravity are we talking about here?
I've seen abortion on video. Yes, abortion is cruel, but note what I noted "in that...".
Yes, the fact that there will probably be cartels, gangs, etc. for contraceptive use if it's banned...but that doesn't legitimize its use.
Yes, the possibility also exists the youth will rebel. But I think the worst "rebellion" we can get would be just a bit worse than Woodstock.
Society will have to change. I believe that the quickest way to change is to ban icontraception, because contraception is what caused morals to break down.
I am indeed a fiffteen year old in America. I am in Catholic school, so I get all of the bad things about contraception and good things about abstaining, but it seems that the other kids don't listen to that, because every few days some guy(s) will begin asking me about my sex life and I'll be like "I'm waiting until marriage to have sex." and they'll be completely dumbfounded. I'd also like to add that those kids don't listen in classes and instead listen to what the kids from the public schools say, leading to them also developing immoral lifestyles.
Ban propagating safe sex, indeed. In fact, look lower in my post to see the process of prohibition of contraception.
However, I cannot comment on computer gaming damaging lives due to a personal bias: I'm trying to start a video game company.I said that I'm a kid trying to learn? Learn what? o.O
Oh, this topic was to see if I could get a good debate going, and to see how JTF would respond to a topic of this nature.
Meanwhile, I've come up with a process for banning contraceptives:
1. Withdraw contraceptive education from schools, preach abstinence. (of course)
2. Force state and local governments to stop giving out condoms.
3. Enforce massive regulations on condom and birth control pill manufacturers.
4. Skyrocket the cost of condoms and birth control pills.
5. Continue for awhile until no one is using condoms or birth control.
6. Eventually, ban contraceptives.
Does that make a bit more sense?
Oh! I forgot this last post to quote...
I'm not jealous, not at all.
At the last three lines, yeah I'm trying to make a business, I have a girlfriend, and I won't get married and have kids at fifteen years old. I'm waiting until I'm about 20 for that. Lawl, I'm completely un-athletic. XD But yeah, okay, whateeever you say.
And at the paragraph with "A child and fetus are not commodities."...I did not say that they are. Maybe you are correct, but for now, I do believe myself to be correct.
Depravity? If you eat your favorite food everyday, will you not get sick of it? What if you have it 16 days in a row and abstain from it for 12 days? Now think about doing that with your bride.
Depravity? You're in catholic school but dont believe in Gd but want to ban contraception because.....you want to impose catholic teachings on Jews and other non Catholics? Sounds like Muslim thinking to create a sharia law and impose it on non Muslims.
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Um...
Removing the fetus when it's too young to survive is effectively abortion.
Yes that's why Obama opposed the born alive rule where if a baby is born alive it must receive life saving medical care, because there are actually abortion procedures called live birth abortion where they have the mother give birth prematurely on purpose. It's very gruesome and evil and just as horrible as a regular abortion.
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Depravity? If you eat your favorite food everyday, will you not get sick of it? What if you have it 16 days in a row and abstain from it for 12 days? Now think about doing that with your bride.
Depravity? You're in catholic school but dont believe in Gd but want to ban contraception because.....you want to impose catholic teachings on Jews and other non Catholics? Sounds like Muslim thinking to create a sharia law and impose it on non Muslims.
Why do you keep trying to make me look like a Muslim? I want to ban contraception because I see it as equivalent in purpose to abortion. In addition, I see that you are trying to modify what I am saying to make me look Islamic. Why would I want to impose something because it's the belief of a group that I don't belong to that it should be banned? But yes, by your logic, government enforcement of theft and murder laws is like Sharia Law.
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I hope that your opinion never becomes the dominant one just in case I ever need EC. If a woman is raped she should have the option to use EC to prevent a pregnancy by the rapist. I don't think abortion is acceptable but I have to admit even though I'm completely against it that it would probably be tempting to a degree in such a situation but I know I couldn't kill a baby once it was forming already. EC prevents that whole issue if a woman can get it in time after she is attacked.
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Why do you keep trying to make me look like a Muslim? I want to ban contraception because I see it as equivalent in purpose to abortion. In addition, I see that you are trying to modify what I am saying to make me look Islamic. Why would I want to impose something because it's the belief of a group that I don't belong to that it should be banned? But yes, by your logic, government enforcement of theft and murder laws is like Sharia Law.
You called an aspect to Jewish law depravity. It shows that you lack maturity or wisdom.
You compare contraception and abortion as the same. That is insanity.
You claim to not believe in Gd but you go to. Catholic school and hold views of fire and brimstone, which is ineffective.
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You called an aspect to Jewish law depravity. It shows that you lack maturity or wisdom.
You compare contraception and abortion as the same. That is insanity.
You claim to not believe in Gd but you go to. Catholic school and hold views of fire and brimstone, which is ineffective.
Again, you're just making things up and saying that I said them. It shows that you lack many good qualities, particularly maturity, and display many that are simply Islamic, particularly lies.
What I meant isn't that it's wrong to enforce murder or theft laws, as you are trying to claim that I meant despite the fact that I obviously did not mean that, but that contraception is on the same level as murder or theft and therefore it must be treated as a criminal act. Once more, you try to distort and lie about your enemy, just as an Islamic Leftard would.
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Look at your responses to my Jewish points.
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To equate contraception to abortions is insanity. Also, it is very liberal (in the libtard sense) type of thinking that you should impose your fanatic belief against contraception on everyone.
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Reverse reverse psychology... aie. They're not accusing you of actually saying "yay islam" they're saying that the methods you propose that stem from ignorant and extreme beliefs would equate to the muslim style of ignorant extremism to back up their insane and evil goals backed up by passionate chivalry and fool-proof (or proof thereof) plans. 1. Just because you have a "fool-proof" plan that shows how we can gradually ban an extremely profitable industry, it doesn't mean you're going to cure any evil in society. 2. Sun Tzu's Art of War: No battle plan survives contact with the enemy, 3. Go find all the crack-whores and the rapists and the 16 year old "rebels" and also the occasional married Jewish couple, and a good percentage of people aged 18-25 and the... and then scrunch your face good and hard as you get your pointing finger ready, then move it down and say "NO". Get some supporters and come back.
It's just the passion you're showing; this ain't one you're winning chief. If want to pay for the damages a contraception riot would cost, bring it to either a violent African country, and obviously any Muslim country (because 99.9% of everyone else will laugh at you) and the African country will just take your money (and still possibly laugh at you), and the kkkoraners will really take it seriously, and you will probably get a few people killed, because all you need in sharia is a few accusers...
I understand you intend to show you think you are on the right side of issues and stand for morality and true justice even if others can't see it or oppose it. You want riiightous justice at any cost, because you would make a much better world than those condom users. Thing is, the only people that also hold that belief as a society are previously mentioned.
Using condoms, one day dah da we find out we made a big uh-oh let's say, we're going to catholic "purgatory" for less time than someone who didn't use his mind and body, because he was to busy trolling to "slay-em-all" and saving the axe of justice for the evil sin-doers who you would never want to be friends with. Pick your battles; there's a million I'd want to win first, and only if it had such popular support that it would cause less damage and discontentment to change it. That won't happen but if you're really intent, click-click or hamarahhmhahurh to you.
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I disagree here.. quite a bit.
If we are talking about adults.... I think its absurd to have the government ban something such as contraception.
Also, there is a large segment of the population that needs to stop procreating like rabbits....
For example, this fine young gentleman who has 30 kids:
(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2012-05/70017357.jpg)
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