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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Israel Chai on August 24, 2012, 10:09:05 PM
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http://nocompromisemedia.com/2011/04/23/women-wearing-the-tzitzit/comment-page-1/#comment-12239
Pay attention to the comments. Last guy really seems to think rabbis are wrong, and girls should wear fringes. In my head, this has something to do with the beauty of women why they shouldn't. Why no tzitzit for the ladies?
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You know it's Shabbot, none of religious Jews are going to answer right now.
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You know it's Shabbot, none of religious Jews are going to answer right now.
I rest most of the week, so it evens itself out...
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I rest most of the week, so it evens itself out...
No it does not! It is disrespectful to Hashem! If you are a Jew you should be proud, and follow the law! I wish I was a Jew, so people would leave me alone about my beliefs, I do have fun with Christians though!
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Women are not men! This relates to the other post by Dan Ben Noah about 600 rabbis
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No it does not! It is disrespectful to Hashem! If you are a Jew you should be proud, and follow the law! I wish I was a Jew, so people would leave me alone about my beliefs, I do have fun with Christians though!
Correct. Correctish. Maybe I should, but work a lot as I need money to save the world. I usually tell Christians I'm Christian and Jewish though, and I may have some "religious schizophrenia", but I've had much success marrying the two belief systems in my head as I learn them, and where they are incongruent I just say the New testament was changed. This may be going rather poorly for me, considering I don't talk to rabbis/pastors on either subject, but until then, I'm not really putting down anyone from either group without a good reason.
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Correct. Correctish. Maybe I should, but work a lot as I need money to save the world. I usually tell Christians I'm Christian and Jewish though, and I may have some "religious schizophrenia", but I've had much success marrying the two belief systems in my head as I learn them, and where they are incongruent I just say the New testament was changed. This may be going rather poorly for me, considering I don't talk to rabbis/pastors on either subject, but until then, I'm not really putting down anyone from either group without a good reason.
Nice! You do know that I know you have been copying me since I got here! Too bad you don't know what I really think!
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Nice! You do know that I know you have been copying me since I got here! Too bad you don't know what I really think!
Dude... I've been saying that for years. Except I just had much less understanding of Judaism. I don't really know much about you, or how you tick, but do feel free to provide a testimony, and if you start growing on me, I'll tell you my name and how I'm going to make you money.
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Dude... I've been saying that for years. Except I just had much less understanding of Judaism. I don't really know much about you, or how you tick, but do feel free to provide a testimony, and if you start growing on me, I'll tell you my name and how I'm going to make you money.
1. provide testimony
2. start growing on LKZ
3. ??
4. Profit
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Dude... I've been saying that for years. Except I just had much less understanding of Judaism. I don't really know much about you, or how you tick, but do feel free to provide a testimony, and if you start growing on me, I'll tell you my name and how I'm going to make you money.
:o What sort of testimony? I always say beware of Greeks( and most others ) bearing gifts :P
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Yes, women may wear them if they want to, although they are not required to. Only men are required to. Here is a quote from the Mishneh Torah's laws on Tzitziot:
Women, servants, and minors are not required by the Torah to wear tzitzit. It is, however, a Rabbinical obligation for every child who knows how to dress himself to wear tzitzit in order to educate him to fulfill mitzvot.
Women and servants who wish to wrap themselves in tzitzit may do so without reciting a blessing. Similarly, regarding the other positive commandments which women are not required to fulfill, if they desire to fulfill them without reciting a blessing, they should not be prevented from doing so.
On a separate note, that site looks pretty shady.
Unfortunately, I fear that most women who wear Tzitzit wear them to make political statements that echo a sentiment of 'men do this and even though I am a woman, I am equal and therefore my doing it too is my right.' This is a sentiment that obliterates the original purpose of wearing them. Of course, I don't know what in each person's mind, but the kinds of sentiments I have heard from these women leads me to make the above assertion.
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Dude listen to that chick's radio shows on the side, it's what made me a conservative. I'm not going to back the religious perspectives there, but she brings some serious people there for politics. The tzitzit thing ties into politics though, what lengths are feminists willing to go to to pretend there exactly the same as men?
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Yes, women may wear them if they want to, although they are not required to. Only men are required to. Here is a quote from the Mishneh Torah's laws on Tzitziot:
Women, servants, and minors are not required by the Torah to wear tzitzit. It is, however, a Rabbinical obligation for every child who knows how to dress himself to wear tzitzit in order to educate him to fulfill mitzvot.
Women and servants who wish to wrap themselves in tzitzit may do so without reciting a blessing. Similarly, regarding the other positive commandments which women are not required to fulfill, if they desire to fulfill them without reciting a blessing, they should not be prevented from doing so.
On a separate note, that site looks pretty shady.
The reason that woman are not obligated is the same reason they are exempt from several other mitzvahs. Women in general are not obligated to any 'time-bound' mitzvah. Because tzit-tzits are supposed to be worn during the day, it is considered a time-bound mitzvah...
Here is was aish.com says about it:
http://www.aish.com/jl/m/mm/Tzitzit.html
Women and Tzitzit
Women have traditionally not worn Tzitzit. Here's why:
There are five mitzvot in the Torah that are "positive time-bound mitzvot." For example, waving a lulav is done during the time period of Sukkot. Tzitzit is also a time-bound mitzvah since the mitzvah applies only during the daytime (as implied by the verse "you shall see it" -- which excludes Tzitzit at night).53 As with all positive time-bound mitzvot, only men are required to perform this mitzvah.54 See Women and Mitzvot for more perspective on this.
LKZ, I ask you to please observe the Shabbat if indeed you are Jewish and you want to be a part of the mission of hastening the coming of Moshiach. It is a chillul Hashem for a Jew to publicly write {like on the forum} on Shabbat. While there are many prohibitions on Shabbat, is it so hard to avoid posting anything on Shabbat as a first step toward observance?
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LKZ, I ask you to please observe the Shabbat if indeed you are Jewish and you want to be a part of the mission of hastening the coming of Moshiach. It is a chillul Hashem for a Jew to publicly write {like on the forum} on Shabbat. While there are many prohibitions on Shabbat, is it so hard to avoid posting anything on Shabbat as a first step toward observance?
Alright bro, I'll try. Thanks for catching me on it.
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Alright bro, I'll try. Thanks for catching me on it.
Baruch Hashem :)