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Women Will Be Required To Register For Draft After Thursday
http://news.yahoo.com/women-combat-register-draft-225900518.html
Enjoy your handiwork, feminazi freaks of nature. I'd love to see Nancy Pelosi tote an M16 and be forced to march into a Taliban cave.
WFTMPTC
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Good
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Let's see you say that when your girlfriend/wife gets drafted.
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Despite that the analysts say the legal implications are, it'll never happen. Women will never have to register for the selective services, much less be drafted. And this whole thing is probably just about giving women a way to get combat pay. They will still get special protection / special treatment somehow.
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Despite that the analysts say the legal implications are, it'll never happen. Women will never have to register for the selective services, much less be drafted
Yeah, and last year at this time we didn't think American citizens could be thrown in jail for making anti-Sh*tlam movies either.
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That is true. Who knows, I guess. This country is getting very weird.
Letting women in the military in the first place is just wasting resources on a less efficient military just so women can take advantage of the GI bill and all the other handsome rewards of service all in the name of "fairness"
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why will a draft be needed?
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Well.... women in Israel get drafted into the IDF. Unlike in the US where people just register, in Israel they actually get signed up for the military. Men and women. So it's not a huge deal for me.
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Let us see how many are like GI Jane:
(http://crossfitlancaster.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/gi-jane.jpg)
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Oh you're be surprised. I've seen some very manly looking women in the past. I used to go to a gym and the women who frequented the usual weight-lifting area were 90% male....and then some. It's even better when they give up on being women- fain a few pounds, shave their heads and wear bagging men's clothing. (YIKES- I stay away from those).
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They get to eat their cake too now.
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Women To Be Drafted Into U.S. Armed Forces - Oh! That means they are really withdrawing from Afghanistan and now want to join up with Mali.
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I wonder if they will be forced to have abortions if they are pregnant at the time of drafting. That's one reason it's a very bad idea to draft a woman. She could be pregnant. Training alone could make her lose her baby if she's pregnant and doesn't know it yet.
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I wonder if they will be forced to have abortions if they are pregnant at the time of drafting. That's one reason it's a very bad idea to draft a woman. She could be pregnant. Training alone could make her lose her baby if she's pregnant and doesn't know it yet.
Feminazis would loooove that.
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Feminazis would loooove that.
The only upside to this is seeing the temper tantrums when black women get drafted. "Watchu mean I have to serve mah country?" "Watchu mean!!! I don't gotta serve sheet! You crackas owe me! I aint no slave! Nuh-uh!" *head bob*
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The only upside to this is seeing the temper tantrums when black women get drafted. "Watchu mean I have to serve mah country?" "Watchu mean!!! I don't gotta serve sheet! You crackas owe me! I aint no slave! Nuh-uh!" *head bob*
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They'll probably be allowed to opt out though, especially if the negro is still president.
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Women To Be Drafted Into U.S. Armed Forces - Oh! That means they are really withdrawing from Afghanistan and now want to join up with Mali.
Probably right my friend.
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It will ruin the chemistry of the army. Look at what has happened to the Israeli army - outside of special operations in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, the regular army is useless
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They'll probably be allowed to opt out though, especially if the negro is still president.
I hope I'll be too old for it by the time that goes through since I'm in my mid-30s.
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I wonder if they will be forced to have abortions if they are pregnant at the time of drafting. That's one reason it's a very bad idea to draft a woman. She could be pregnant. Training alone could make her lose her baby if she's pregnant and doesn't know it yet.
Actually, the military tests for pregnancy before deploying women or before sending them to training. If a woman is found to be pregnant she is excused. Depending on the situation, they may be recalled later. In case of an active military woman who is pregnant, she gets a leave but them goes back after the leave is over.
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Actually, the military tests for pregnancy before deploying women or before sending them to training. If a woman is found to be pregnant she is excused. Depending on the situation, they may be recalled later. In case of an active military woman who is pregnant, she gets a leave but them goes back after the leave is over.
That's how things work now. In the future this may be seen as giving women an unfair advantage and they may be forced to terminate based on national need.
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I think that is beyond the limit of reason. Right now people are just making a big deal about possibly forcing women to serve. Which is not a big deal to me because women in Israel are forced to serve and it has not caused any incredible unbearable situation.
Also, people are forgetting the difference between the Draft and Selective Service. No one has gotten drafted for a very long time AND Drafting was discontinued in 1973!! In which the US ended conscription and enacted the volunteer military only laws. Meaning that no one -men or women- would really be drafted. But selective service registration is required for men and by doing so become eligible for Federal Financial Aid and government jobs. Same would go for women. Selective Service is just a back up to a system that did away with the draft in the first place.
All that would be different is that women would register for selective service. None of them would really be called up- just like many of the men do not get called up either. I think the media has blown this out of proportion- considering that drafting ended in the 70s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States#End_of_conscription (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States#End_of_conscription)
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Separate But Equal is what I say....
There should be a separate womans combat unit and a separate mens combat unit. The eunichs and the homos should also comprise a separate combat unit. I could care less who serves so long as it is not uncomfortable for people to fight together. I read today about what the men in Iraq went through concerning 'bodily functions' and 'hygiene' which would be unacceptable in a mixed-gender platoon. But so long as no immoral relations or situations arise I don't see a problem with women fighting. The question is would the attention caused if she should be captured and compromised...
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Separate But Equal is what I say....
There should be a separate womans combat unit and a separate mens combat unit. The eunichs and the homos should also comprise a separate combat unit. I could care less who serves so long as it is not uncomfortable for people to fight together. I read today about what the men in Iraq went through concerning 'bodily functions' and 'hygiene' which would be unacceptable in a mixed-gender platoon. But so long as no immoral relations or situations arise I don't see a problem with women fighting. The question is would the attention caused if she should be captured and compromised...
The US military does not allow men who are missing both testicles or men with hypospadias that is severe enough that they cannot urinate standing normally to join. But they allow women, who are functionally like men with both problems at once.
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I hope my daughter will never be drafted into the military for combat duty. While I agree it is not so terrible to serve your country in a time of need, I hope she never has to serve on a battle field. Women and men were created for different purposes. What else is there to say?
Feminist have done the most damage to humanity than any group I can think of. I agree with Elaine Donnelly the President, Center for Military Readiness. She wrote the second response in this article for teens.
http://teacher.scholastic.com/scholasticnews/indepth/upfront/debate/index.asp?article=0905
Should women be allowed in combat?
Women make up 15 percent of America's armed forces, but military policy prohibits them from serving in combat zones
YES
Where and how women serve in the military should be based on ability and training, not gender. Policies that prohibit the military from using the skills of all servicemembers should be changed.
Today, more than 350,000 women serve in our military, with some 30,000 in Afghanistan and Iraq.
But policy now limits where women serve in the Army and Marines. Specifically closed are infantry, armor, and most artillery units, and women cannot be assigned to units whose primary mission is to engage the enemy. These polices are based on what is believed to be the will of the American public, not women's proven abilities.
Women have always fought and died in America's wars. (As of June, 41 women have died in operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.) They've led men in battle, been prisoners of war, fired lethal weapons, and operated our most sophisticated systems. They fly combat aircraft and serve on combat ships. Women meet the military's physical and mental standards, are technically proficient, and are highly trained war fighters and leaders. From my 28 years in the Air Force, I know that servicemen consider women part of the team.
In today's all-volunteer force, women have accepted the challenges, responsibilities, and dangers of military service, just as the men have. With today's battlefield and the war on terror, there are no front lines, and every unit regardless of size or mission has the potential to engage with the enemy.
Why handicap our military with outdated and unrealistic policies restricting the use of capable people? It is time such policies were abolished.
—Brig. Gen. Wilma Vaught
U.S. Air Force (Retired)
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The nation's pride in our military women does not justify assignments in direct ground combat, which involves more than the experience of being in danger, or even the risk of ambush.
Forget about Lara Croft, and think about real-life infantry, Marines, and Special Operations Forces that engage the enemy in places like Fallujah in Iraq. These men carry electronic equipment, weapons, ammunition, heavy body armor, and water weighing 50 to 100 pounds. Such burdens would weigh more heavily on smaller female soldiers who have, on average, 45 to 50 percent less upper-body strength and 25 to 30 percent less aerobic capacity, which is essential for endurance.
In the Army's own surveys, 90 percent of enlisted women have said they oppose involuntary combat assignments on the same basis as men. They know that training for female soldiers is modified to compensate for physical differences, but there can be no modifications on the battlefield.
In direct combat, women would not have an equal opportunity to survive, or to help fellow soldiers survive.
Even if physical capabilities were objectively measured and equal, coed combat assignments would affect discipline and unit cohesion. Women lose more duty time due to medical issues, including pregnancy, and their absence would be particularly disruptive in combat units where concentration and mutual trust are essential for survival.
At times, we have no choice about sending young men to war, but we do have a choice when it comes to sending young women. Changing that would be a mistake.
—Elaine Donnelly
President, Center for Military Readiness
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The US military does not allow men who are missing both testicles or men with hypospadias that is severe enough that they cannot urinate standing normally to join. But they allow women, who are functionally like men with both problems at once.
Good! Keep me out of combat duty on the basis of both reasons. I'm just sayin. :soldier:
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Separate But Equal is what I say....
There should be a separate womans combat unit and a separate mens combat unit. The eunichs and the homos should also comprise a separate combat unit. I could care less who serves so long as it is not uncomfortable for people to fight together. I read today about what the men in Iraq went through concerning 'bodily functions' and 'hygiene' which would be unacceptable in a mixed-gender platoon. But so long as no immoral relations or situations arise I don't see a problem with women fighting. The question is would the attention caused if she should be captured and compromised...
Women are the mothers of a nation and those who maintain a place for our soldiers to come home to again when they are done fighting. They are not men.
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Exactly right, Rubystars!
Women are the mothers of a nation and those who maintain a place for our soldiers to come home to again when they are done fighting. They are not men.
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As far as I understand they did not make it a requirement for females to register like young men do when they turn 18... If this is how things are going to stand I don't see it being long before someone files a discrimination lawsuit for unfair treatment... At that point they will either have to amend the requirement requirement for females to also register or reverse the law for putting females into actual combat.
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Women are the mothers of a nation and those who maintain a place for our soldiers to come home to again when they are done fighting. They are not men.
Hey, a good number of women want 'equal rights'. If they want equal rights they should share equal burdens. In the workplace women expect equal pay, so they need to perform on a level equal to men. I personally don't believe men and women are equal but if they are pushing for these rights I say let them sweat like men so that they no longer want to be equal to us. Life is hard and women have had it good for so long. If women in general do not want to be equal in the workplace then women should have protested this, but they didn't... You can't have your cake and eat it too...
So Separate but Equal is the solution in my opinion.. Also women should not be given any special treatment in the military. This will only cause problems of moral in the forces.
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I am worried about the impact that this will have on our fighting elite. In general, men feel protective of women in a way that they are not protective of men. Whatever you think of this phenomenon in a variety of settings, it may be very bad for the military. However IF there are women who can pass all of the rigors of military combat training and they WANT to do this, then I see no legal reason why they shouldn't be allowed to do this. There is almost no way most women, even elite trained women would be able to pass these tests. Those who pass do, those who don't don't. Fair is Fair.
That said, all righteous women should know and be encouraged know how to defend themselves from physical attack, including being able to hurt an assailant. Look at the recent case of the Israeli woman who was able to physically defend and one-up her Arab terrorist would-be murderer before he savagely killed her and her children in cold blood. She got her face slashed, which the science of plastic surgery should be able to fix. In another time, she and her children would have just been a few more savagely and eventually unremembered murdered Jews. In this sense, every Righteous woman should know how to fight.
While this may be very un-PC, I think most women will NOT WANT this responsibility. I think women living in combat zones (after all, ALL of Israel and now the whole free world is a potential combat zone) will need to step up to the plate on this, despite most NOT wanting to.
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Hey, a good number of women want 'equal rights'. If they want equal rights they should share equal burdens. In the workplace women expect equal pay, so they need to perform on a level equal to men. I personally don't believe men and women are equal but if they are pushing for these rights I say let them sweat like men so that they no longer want to be equal to us. Life is hard and women have had it good for so long. If women in general do not want to be equal in the workplace then women should have protested this, but they didn't... You can't have your cake and eat it too...
So Separate but Equal is the solution in my opinion.. Also women should not be given any special treatment in the military. This will only cause problems of moral in the forces.
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If I do the same job... I expect equal pay. If I can't do the job... I shouldn't get payed at all.
How are women less equal than men?
Women have had it good for so long. What do you mean by that? Women worked hard when they worked mostly in the home. Now many work hard outside the home and still carry the bulk of in home responsibilities.
I just completed a 12 hour shift in a busy intensive care unit. I think I can sweat with the best of them. I'm not sure you would be up to my job. Does that make you less equal?
Muman, men and women are not the same. They are of equal value though. I find your attitude hard to understand and feel sorry that you don't value the women in your life.
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Hey, a good number of women want 'equal rights'. If they want equal rights they should share equal burdens.
Women are the ones who suffer labor pains (even with modern medicine which makes it somewhat easier), sometimes die or are seriously injured in childbirth, do most of the raising of children, etc.
As bullcat pointed out now with the way society is structured a woman is often expected to bring home a second paycheck and on top of that do the traditional womanly duties. If anything she's working harder.
I guess this is kind of gross to mention but men don't get menstrual cramps every month either.
I guess the closest I could describe that as an analogue would be if your intestines felt like they were burning and you had waves of nausea come over you once a month for one to three days but you were still expected to function just the same and not bite someone's head off in the process.
In the workplace women expect equal pay, so they need to perform on a level equal to men.
Well this is a little more of a complex issue. Women tend to, because they are often single mothers or the primary caretakers of children, not work quite as many hours as men. Sometimes they have to take off of work to care for a sick child, etc. Women are also biologically more prone to some other health problems such as autoimmune diseases which can cause missed work days. If you don't work as many hours, it's not fair to expect the exact same amount of compensation.
On the other hand, if two people regardless of gender do the same work in the same number of hours, they should get paid the same amount of money.
Some jobs are not well-suited to a woman's physique or will not be performed as efficiently by a woman as by a man. These are mostly really physical jobs, such as being a marine which should pretty much only be done by men. Some physical jobs such as the kind of job I do (overnight stocking) which involve ladder climbing, moving products, etc. can be done well by both sexes. I can say honestly I get more work done than my male counterparts even though they're younger and technically stronger than I am, because there's nothing outside of my physical ability to do.
Other jobs like clerical work or controlling a drone on a computer or something like that, really isn't gender-specific work.
I personally don't believe men and women are equal but if they are pushing for these rights I say let them sweat like men so that they no longer want to be equal to us.
Women sweat plenty and often work just as hard as men do. Some work is simply not fit for women though. Men and women are different, but one isn't better than the other. We are all made in God's image. We have different roles in society, in the family structure, in the workplace, but that doesn't make one inherently superior and another inherently inferior. I mostly am arguing against feminists who try to put women over men but in this instance I think I should remind you that women are human beings too just as men are and have the same capacity for intellect, reason, and spirituality.
Life is hard and women have had it good for so long.
Women dying young in childbirth so their husbands could marry another woman and then wear her out too.... yes women have had it SOOOO good. /sarcasm
If women in general do not want to be equal in the workplace then women should have protested this, but they didn't... You can't have your cake and eat it too...
There are reasonable things to ask for and unreasonable things. Think of it in terms of the civil rights movement. It was reasonable for blacks to want to be able to vote without being intimidated. It was unreasonable for them to want to be placed above whites through affirmative action programs.
So Separate but Equal is the solution in my opinion.. Also women should not be given any special treatment in the military. This will only cause problems of moral in the forces.
Women have separate duties to men. This doesn't make them lesser, it makes them different. Women are not meant to go into combat just like a man is not meant to give birth.
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The focus of the thread seems to have changed somewhat into a females rights thread more than a females in combat thread... I guess in a way they are the product of the same left leaning liberal sickness... In my opinion females as a collective group have been lead to the slaughter by the Judas goat of liberalism... (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSM58LWKH2etFS9DjHSCpHOEVwIzkoKGSIrK7bXZ-hbChlxA_8o)
The horse is out of the barn on this as they say and I personally don't see how anyone is going to get it back in again ...I don't see how you can have females in the work place or in the military seeking the same money and prestige if they need or expect special treatment... This said I have always believed that their are certain jobs and situations that females should not be placed in... Sadly this is not how a good part of the female population and liberal society see it... I would gladly turn the clock back 40 or 50 years to a day when most females stayed at home and raised a family or worked in jobs that were more suitable for females to work in... I grew up back then and I can tell you the overall social picture was a great deal better than what we have now... It seems like this new legislation is built on the foundations of affirmative action this time pointed at females in combat situations... Personally I feel that just as in the workplace females in the military that can't take the heat should stay out of the boiler room, factory or other work situation that is far to physically demanding... People put in positions like this that are not suitable for a job are an overall liability to people working or serving along side them... Medical science can deal with the issues of cramps, childbirth with a dose of some sort Norplant like medication... Sadly the problems from this new legislation will be social ones not medical or physical issues.
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Rubystars, can you imagine someone wanting to pay you less than the men you work with, just because you are a woman?
There are significant physical differences between men and women. True enough.
No person should be hired for a job they are not suited for. I don't believe in 'dumbing' down requirements or tests to allow for a 'fair' demographic in the work place.
That being said, I do believe in equal pay for equal work.
Quote from: muman613 on January 25, 2013, 06:20:06 PM
Hey, a good number of women want 'equal rights'. If they want equal rights they should share equal burdens.
Ummmm...I think many women share equal burdens. In fact, I think women might be getting the shorter end of the stick right now. You would be surprised how many women are not thinking about equal rights when they go out into the workplace. They are thinking of survival. Maybe, just maybe, they are thinking about keeping a roof over their families head and food on the table. Who is taking care of hearth and home when they are out seeking their 'equal rights'? Oh...nobody. I guess they have to do that too! >:(
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Life is hard and women have had it good for so long. :laugh:
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If women in general do not want to be equal in the workplace then women should have protested this, but they didn't... You can't have your cake and eat it too...
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This made me laugh. Who has time to protest and what woman doesn't want to be equal in the workplace?
Don't I wish we could go back to the day when I could have one job, in the home, and not two.
Come live in downstate New York...two paychecks, in most cases, are a necessity.
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That darn Judas Goat of liberalism and feminism. I'd like to shove her back into the barn.
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Rubystars, can you imagine someone wanting to pay you less than the men you work with, just because you are a woman?
There are significant physical differences between men and women. True enough.
No person should be hired for a job they are not suited for. I don't believe in 'dumbing' down requirements or tests to allow for a 'fair' demographic in the work place.
That being said, I do believe in equal pay for equal work.
Yes definitely equal work should get equal pay.
This made me laugh. Who has time to protest and what woman doesn't want to be equal in the workplace?
Don't I wish we could go back to the day when I could have one job, in the home, and not two.
Come live in downstate New York...two paychecks, in most cases, are a necessity.
This is true pretty much everywhere in the USA. Even if a woman wants to stay home and be a homemaker only it's very difficult for her to do so.
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Well like I said, women in Israel ARE in combat when they join the IDF. It has not killed them or taken their femininity away. So it's no concern to me if women can or can't do something. We will only not be able to do something if we convince ourselves that we can't do it. And if I see Israel struggling in war (G-d forbid) I would have no problem with fighting, even if my own life would be in danger. Because some things are more important to me than thinking that I can or can't fight.
Lastly, I would LOVE to stay at home but that is not possible. It seems the Jews who have the most money are usually the secular ones while those who are religious and Torah scholars are the ones who have less. It may not always be true. But how often do we see wealthy religious person. So both the man and women work. Sometimes the woman more so the man can study. I forgot what I was talking about.