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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Binyamin Yisrael on March 23, 2013, 09:48:11 PM
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http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/126845/israels-bold-new-queen
Israel’s Bold New Queen
The latest Miss Israel, Ethiopian-born Yityish Aynaw, says it’s about time a black woman wore the crown.
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UMM HMM!
Ethiopians like her are not real Jews. Real Ethiopian Jews are converts. If they converted, they wouldn't dress like her and take part in such an event. On a side note, beauty is an opinion. Most whtie Jews wouldn't be attracted to a black woman. It's the same with Miss America. If people wanted a black to be a beauty queen, they would have them compeat against other blacks with black judges or white judges that are known to be attracted to black women. But "dat be racism" is what they would say even thought it is truely separate but equal. I guess that's another reason why these competitions shouldn't take place.
Bnei Menashe from India all converted Al Pi Halacha and good Right Wing Jews. So why weren't Ethiopians required to do so? I hold by the Rebbe when he said "Schvartzes Nisht Yidden". Chabad holds that converts are Jewish no matter what but these blacks converted though.
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I saw the link because she went to the Obama state dinner in Israel. I guess they thought because she's black, she could convince Obama to free Pollard. If that was the case, if she's really Jewish, perhaps she could be comapred to Queen Esther who voluntarily approaced Achachverosh to save the Jews. Maybe Hashem used her and allowed her to be immodest just for that but she probably never converted anyway. But she's sucsessful, maybe she would be inspired to be a real Jew and convert.
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No offense to her but Israel has wayyy prettier women then here.
About her conversion, I do not know, and if you do not then it is better for you not to speak. Perhaps her parents converted etc. etc.
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It said she was born in Ethiopia. When Ethiopians came to Israel, they made them have "safek" converserions with no bracha. But if they never commited to being religious, it wouldn't be valid.
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Unfortunately, she can't be a pretty Black Jewish woman without the media making her into some kind of first generation Black goddess. It's ridiculous. Accept your prize with grace. That's part of being a winner of these kinds of awards
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She has ugly teeth. They could have picked someone prettier and with a more humble personality. Just sayin.....
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Am I the only one who finds it a little odd that they presented this dumb slut to Obama. "Look Mr Obama, she is the same color as you and we made her beauty queen! Ethiopia is neighboring Kenya, you are both east Africans !".
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Am I the only one who finds it a little odd that they presented this dumb slut to Obama. "Look Mr Obama, she is the same color as you and we made her beauty queen! Ethiopia is neighboring Kenya, you are both east Africans !".
The person is very common looking... Putting it politely politics and sick political correctness must have been a large part of the selection process.
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As a Jew, I find this pick offensive. First, they're saying that a REAL Jewish woman isn't beautiful enough to be Miss Israel, which is total nonsense. Second, they pick a woman who needs to get her teeth fixed. And, third, the judges need to stop making a political statement, which they have done by choosing this woman.
We finally get Israel as our home again and this is who we choose to represent us as Miss Israel?
Tell me I'm dreaming. Please!
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The entire idiocy of giving any sort of importance to a title like that is astonishing itself.
What else is astonishing is that she now actually believes she is 'pretty' and that that would somehow grant her an arrogant attitude. I have no hope for the human race.
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Unfortunately, she can't be a pretty Black Jewish woman without the media making her into some kind of first generation Black goddess. It's ridiculous. Accept your prize with grace. That's part of being a winner of these kinds of awards
I thought the same thing. Couldn't she be graceful about winning?
I think she is pretty. More natural looking than most recent beauty queens.
But, by her bringing up race it makes one think, even more than a normal person would, that political correctness played a part in her winning...not beauty.
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If you look at some of the other contestants, they are breathtaking.
(http://www.xnet.co.il/PicServer2/pic/012013/318785/4_gaya.jpg) (http://www.xnet.co.il/PicServer2/pic/012013/318783/2_yuval_b.jpg) (http://www.xnet.co.il/PicServer2/pic/012013/318782/1_mor_sh.jpg)
(http://www.xnet.co.il/PicServer2/pic/012013/318788/7_koral.jpg) (http://www.xnet.co.il/PicServer2/pic/012013/318793/12_raz.jpg)
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(http://cdn1.tabletmag.com/wp-content/files_mf/missisrael_031213_620px.jpg)
This is just disgusting and racist. I don't even know how she got through the election process.
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I don't care about her looks, she should be behave like an Israeli patriot and represent Israel, not her skin color. There is nothing in common between her and Obama and no reason to introduce her to him other then they are both black. She should be insulted instead of feeling honored.
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Spiraling your post really says it all.
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Actually I read earlier that she should she would ask Obama to pardon Jonathan Pollard. Soo according to that she isn't bad (as a person).
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I don't care about her looks, she should be behave like an Israeli patriot and represent Israel, not her skin color. There is nothing in common between her and Obama and no reason to introduce her to him other then they are both black. She should be insulted instead of feeling honored.
Well the key word here is actually beauty queen... After seeing pictures of the other contestants I feel comfortable saying that even putting race or color aside the winner was really the poorest possible choice in the bunch... I could see a choice like that here in a country like America where the panel of Judges could be made up of people of every race and background... A choice like this over in Israel really leaves me scratching my head... As I said in my prior post the girl is very common looking... After seeing the competition I would have to say the judges must have been smoking some wacky weed.
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She obviously has resentment or some type of hatred toward the Jewish people when she says, “We have these chiseled faces. Everything is in the right place,” she said. “I never saw an Ethiopian who was stuck with some big nose.”
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In my opinion, she's just another jealous schvatza. We don't say anything about her nose, so wide- that you could drive a Mack truck right through each one of her giant nostrils.
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She obviously has resentment or some type of hatred toward the Jewish people when she says, “We have these chiseled faces. Everything is in the right place,” she said. “I never saw an Ethiopian who was stuck with some big nose.”
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In my opinion, she's just another jealous schvatza. We don't say anything about her nose, so wide- that you could drive a Mack truck right through each one of her giant nostrils.
She kind of reminds me of a Julia Stiles, but not as pretty
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She kind of reminds me of a Julia Stiles, but not as pretty
Israel should have used one of their own, instead of being politically correct, and picking a black one, who resents Jews.
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Contestant 2 would have been my pick. But in all reality, I do not support any "Miss" anything. It does not exactly go with Miss Tznius, does it. It's more of Miss bare skin and Miss bare chest. Regardless of skin color.
I think this particular winner is cute (minus the teeth) and I have no problem with whatever race she is. Ethiopian Jews, I accept those that did convert and take Judaism seriously as real Jews. But those who come into Israel and do not feel they have to convert or follow the Torah are just fakes.
And there are those who say they do not have do a conversion.
Basically, we are lying to ourselves if we pretend to say that the Jews who stood at Mt. Sinai were black. Honestly, we have a good idea of what those Jews looked like, the closet would be Mizrachi Jews. But now we have Jews who look Chinese like the Kafeng Jews. And Jews who look like they're from India with the Bnai Menashe. And Jews who are African black like the Ethiopian Jews. And who knows what other group wants recognition. Where there even blond Jews at Mt. Sinai?
What has happened in the history of Judaism is that there has always been an element of intermarriage and conversions. The difference is that the Sfardic, Mizrachi and Ashkenazi communities had not only the Torah but the Oral Torah and well established Batei Din. And well estabilished Torah scholars as Judges to preside over anything the community needed. Not to mention that they had the mikva'ot. Without any of these elements, no conversions would have been valid. That's why there are recorded histories of halachic converts in Ashkenazi communities, like Avraham ben Avraham etc.
All these Ethiopians, Bnai Menashe etc.. they might have had some Jewish ancestors (which they have DNA to prove some Jewish ancestry) who arrived a long long time ago. But without the elements of a mivkah, beth din, judges etc... how Jewish are their descendants today? Ashkenazim and Mizrachi Jews all over the world have been able to make aliyah because they have the prof of their Jewishness. They have proof that their parents are buried in Jewish cemeteries, they have their ketubot, etc..
But all these other people want FULL recognition without any proof of Jewishness. And that's crazy. But if Israel wants to give them all the recognition that's their problem. The Torah, Oral Laws, Batei Din etc.. remained unchanged in Ashkenazi, Sfardic and Mizrahi communities for a reason- and now their descendants are Jews today. But these traditions did NOT remain part of the Jews who immigrated to China, India or Ethiopia. Because sometimes there are people who may have some Jewish ancestry but in the end are Gentiles. Just like a person whose mother is Protestant and father is Jewish- and then generations later their children want to be recognized as Jews? Not only want recognition but may not even feel a need to convert.
I have some Bnei Anusim in my lineage but that's all they remain- just bnei Anusim and I don't demand that they be declared Halachic Jews. Unless anyone can prove an unbroken maternal Jewish line then people like this have to convert. And once they convert, they HAVE to keep all the laws. Not do a fake conversion and parade oneself semi nude on Shabbat night. Because that just proves that one was always a gentile to begin with.
Unless all the Ethiopian Jews have proof and ketubot from the "Beth din of Ethiopia"? Oh that's right, there wasn't one. And I don't think any of the other "lost tribes" had any either.
Ok, end of rant.
I think this Miss Israel was more political. It's easier to parade around a non-white Miss Israel in front of all the anti-Israel haters.
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People should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin...MLK Jr. The women should win on their abilities and character and physical attributes and talent...not on what Race is entitled to anything. I don't agree with her.
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waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Rabbi Kahane zt'l always held the Ethiopian Jews were fully Jewish without conversion. Furthermore this girl at least had the Jewish pride to tell the Obumbler to free Pollard.
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Please show us in writting where Rav Kahane,HY"D,ZY"A,ZT"L said that.
Rav Moshe FeinsteinZY"A,ZTL,Lubavitcher Rebbe,ZY"A,ZT"L,Rav Yosef Shalom Eliyashiv,ZY"A,ZT"L & all the present & past rabbis both Sephardi & Ashkenazi all said the Ethiopians need to convert in order to be considered Jews.
Only exception I know of is Rav Ovadia Yosef & I wonder just how much the government is paying him to say so.
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If she did asked Obama to free Pollard then I must retract what I said about her and apologize. I still think the idea to send her to meet Obama on account of her being black is racist and stupid. But if she took the opportunity to do a good did then she is certainly not at fault here.
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2 and 3 look the best.
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But these traditions did NOT remain part of the Jews who immigrated to China, India or Ethiopia. Because sometimes there are people who may have some Jewish ancestry but in the end are Gentiles. Just like a person whose mother is Protestant and father is Jewish- and then generations later their children want to be recognized as Jews? Not only want recognition but may not even feel a need to convert.
I have some Bnei Anusim in my lineage but that's all they remain- just bnei Anusim and I don't demand that they be declared Halachic Jews. Unless anyone can prove an unbroken maternal Jewish line then people like this have to convert. And once they convert, they HAVE to keep all the laws. Not do a fake conversion and parade oneself semi nude on Shabbat night. Because that just proves that one was always a gentile to begin with.
Not ALL Indian Jews are lost Jews. There is an established Jewish community there. The Bnei Menashe are not part of that community. The Bnei Menashe come from a part of Eastern India and originally came there from Burma. The Chinese Jews from Kaifeng were Jewish but assimilated just like American Deforms do. Nowadays, there are white Jews in China that don't look Oriental.
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Please show us in writting where Rav Kahane,HY"D,ZY"A,ZT"L said that.
Rav Moshe FeinsteinZY"A,ZTL,Lubavitcher Rebbe,ZY"A,ZT"L,Rav Yosef Shalom Eliyashiv,ZY"A,ZT"L & all the present & past rabbis both Sephardi & Ashkenazi all said the Ethiopians need to convert in order to be considered Jews.
Only exception I know of is Rav Ovadia Yosef & I wonder just how much the government is paying him to say so.
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Rav Ovadia Yosef ruled they are from Dan. Yet they claim to be from the Line of Solomon from an alleged son of the Queen of Sheba. In fact the Ethiopian Emperor claimed his royal line was and the whole country was. To me, the story of the Queen of Sheba borders on "We da orignal Hebros." nonsense of the Black Hebros of Dimona.
Solomon was from Judah. Judah is not a lost tribe. And if he had a son with a shicksa queen, the kids wouldn't be Jewish. The ArtScroll cites an opinion that it was actually the King of Sheba, not the queen and no where does it say they had relations. But I heard over Yom Tov that there is a Midrash that Nebuchadnezzar (who destroyed the First Temple), was descended from the offspring of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. Just like when he married the daughter of Pharoah, the angel Gabriel formed land in the sea that became Rome, the power that destroyed the Second Temple.
Also, who says Sheba is Ethiopia? Ethiopia was called Kush. Sheba was probably on the Arabian side of the Red Sea around present day Yemen.
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I thought the tribe of Dan went to Europe hence place names like the Danube river, etc.
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I thought the tribe of Dan went to Europe hence place names like the Danube river, etc.
Israel went northwest! Ethiopians are the children of Solomon and Sheba, maybe Sheba converted...
Also some sects, went by father child lineage...
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There used to be some crazy guy that said the US and Europe were Ephraim and Menashe and he said not all Israelites are Jews. He said "Joes" are not Jews. He was one of the crazy conspiracy types. I think you can find his posts on here.
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Google this: "Location: Toledo, Ohio, USA/Menashe"
That's him. He said he's an Israelite but believed in Xtianity. He said Dan is Denmark. He believes in British Israelism or something like that. Brit Am.
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Going back years ago, the beauty queen contests were all political! ;D
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Really, I wouldn't even date this girl if I could. Israel has the most beautiful women I've even seen. This is another example of them shooting the country in the back in order to please countries that will hate them anyways. This is supposed to be the most beautiful woman in Israel? What a disgraceful farce. She may be the best person on planet earth. She's not even a little hot. She looks half-starved too.
She looks more West African than East African. If I saw her and didn't know she's from Israel, I'd think she was a typical UMM HMM black woman from the United States.
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She's disgusting. Look at the bloody teeth...... :yuck:
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If she did asked Obama to free Pollard then I must retract what I said about her and apologize. I still think the idea to send her to meet Obama on account of her being black is racist and stupid. But if she took the opportunity to do a good did then she is certainly not at fault here.
http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2013/031313.htm there is the video.
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http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2013/031313.htm there is the video.
That is what she said she will tell him, the second thing after telling that nazi beast he is a role model for her. I want to know for a fact that she actually went through with that.
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http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2013/031313.htm there is the video.
She looks less ugly in the video than in the picture earlier in the thread.
I remember when in 1999, Miss Israel was an Arab. Also, one of the 5 PM candidates that year (When Israel had direct elections for PM.) was the Arab Muslim Nazi Azmi Bishara who has since been stripped of his citizenship after going to Syria.
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Apparently he was a Catholic Arab turned Commie. But he is still as bad as an Arab Muslim Nazi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azmi_Bishar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azmi_Bishar)
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Rana Raslan
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rana Raslan (Hebrew: רנא רסלאן, Arabic: رنا رسلان, born 17 March 1977) is an Arab Israeli from Haifa who was named Miss Israel in 1999. She was the first, and so far the only, Arab Israeli to win this title.[3][4] She also took part in the 1999 Miss Universe contest.[5]
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed Raslan's nomination as a feat of democracy in Israel, while some Arab and Israeli journalists viewed it as a pre-electional political move.[3]
Rana Raslan describes herself as a "secular Muslim" in responding to accusations of Muslim fundamentalists regarding immorality – specifically in reference to the swimsuit part of the pageant.
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30% of those who left Egypt were dangerous Hamitic Erev Rav, who were eventually incorporated in to the Am Yisrael. This is why, as Chaim says, "the Jew has a natural affinity to kiss schvartzer tochuss!"
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They chose her because she is black, someone maybe thought it would be entertaining.
The usual woman in Israel certainly doesn't look like that, so choosing her is just a bad move.
Last year Ukraine chose to have a black woman representing them at a song contest. There were reactions from the politicians: "That is a bad move because if someone who knows absolutely nothing about Ukraine and sees who represents us, they may think that is what the usual woman in Ukraine look like" :::D
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Am I just getting old and cynical..... it seems to me that nothing really means anything anymore.
Another example is Nobel Peace Prize...... after Al Gore, Obama, Clinton...... it means absolutely nothing. (they all three won awards, right?)
Very few people do I put any faith in these days, I am very suspect of 99% of what I am told.
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Am I just getting old and cynical..... it seems to me that nothing really means anything anymore.
Another example is Nobel Peace Prize...... after Al Gore, Obama, Clinton...... it means absolutely nothing. (they all three won awards, right?)
Very few people do I put any faith in these days, I am very suspect of 99% of what I am told.
I think Clinton haven't clinch the Nobel peace prize, yet. But the list has been marked by unworthy winners for years.
Just two examples:
1944: the red cross - while they were helping the Nazis exterminate the Jews. The red cross sent observers to nazi concentration camp Theresistadt and gave them the "all clear", on the same year.
1994: Terrorist mass murderer and pedophile boys rapist Yasser Arafat, and his "partners", the Israeli Judenrats Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin.
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/
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I think Clinton haven't clinch the Nobel peace prize, yet. But the list has been marked by unworthy winners for years.
Just two examples:
1944: the red cross - while they were helping the Nazis exterminate the Jews. The red cross sent observers to nazi concentration camp Theresistadt and gave them the "all clear", on the same year.
1994: Terrorist mass murderer and pedophile boys rapist Yasser Arafat, and his "partners", the Israeli Judenrats Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin.
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/
It's just a compilation of sickness!