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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: mord on August 04, 2007, 07:45:14 AM
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It does'nt make sense how could an Orthodox Jewish guy set a fire today
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3433496,00.html
Pork-selling deli set on fire in Netanya
Month of protests against non-kosher delicatessen following bylaw prohibiting sale of pork products takes violent turn with one suspect arrested for arson
Raanan Ben-Zur Published: 08.04.07, 12:49 / Israel News
Aviv's Delicatessen which sells pork products was set on fire in Netanya on Saturday, and significantly damaged. One suspect was arrested in the matter.
Pork War
Haredim protest sale of pork in Netanya / Raanan Ben-Zur
Hundreds of demonstrators gather outside non-kosher store. Owner says, 'They are harassing us because we are located in a central place. I am acting according to the law'
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The store has been under attack since its opening about one month ago, and was protested against several times, despite the fact that other pork-selling stores operate in the city.
The incident occurred early Saturday morning, when the police received reports of a fire. Arriving at the scene, the police spotted a suspicious man and chased after him.
The 36-year-old was caught after a short chase and taken in for questioning. The investigation revealed that the man is knows to the police as a suspect in other cases of arson. The suspect denied the allegations.
Aviv's Delicatessen opened in central Netanya a few weeks ago and has aroused much resistance from the haredi public in the city.
A number of protests were carried out against the store, and the demonstrators, which included rabbis, said that the size and location of the store was what prompted the protests.
Last month, the Netanya City Council approved a bylaw prohibiting the sale of pork products in the city. The move, which is still pending approval from the Interior Ministry, received much criticism.
Netanya Council Member Boris Tsirulnik opposed the decision, and said he planed to petition against the bylaw to the High Court of Justice arguing it violated Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation.
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A source from Netanya said that Saturday's arson was "crossing the line. Up until now, the struggle has been managed through legal means. Now it has crossed over to violence and criminal methods, disrupting the status quo in the city, in which dozens of stores have been operating undisturbed and with no fear."
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Good!
It's Eretz Yisrael, not France.
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Maybe the Orthodox got a Shabbos Goy to commit the arson. There are plenty of crazy Goy Russians who would probably be willing to do it.
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Maybe the Orthodox got a Shabbos Goy to commit the arson. There are plenty of crazy Goy Russians who would probably be willing to do it.
Well, the main job of the Shabbos Goy has always been kindling the fires of the Jews. :laugh: :laugh:
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Maybe the Orthodox got a Shabbos Goy to commit the arson. There are plenty of crazy Goy Russians who would probably be willing to do it.
Well, the main job of the Shabbos Goy has always been kindling the fires of the Jews. :laugh: :laugh:
Exactly. :laugh: :laugh:
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Now if they would only start burning the human pigs (i.e. self-hating Jews). :D :laugh:
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Oh come on this is ridiculous, Jews shouldn't be acting like this, you want to be Kosher, you shop at Kosher places, you simply don't shop at that deli that sells pork, what's with the protesting and arson? Afraid of running in and ordering a bacon and cheese sandwich? Arson? That is acting like arabs.
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Oh come on this is ridiculous, Jews shouldn't be acting like this, you want to be Kosher, you shop at Kosher places, you simply don't shop at that deli that sells pork, what's with the protesting and arson? Afraid of running in and ordering a bacon and cheese sandwich? Arson? That is acting like arabs.
Nobody should sell this in EY......The HOLY LAND, period!
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Now if they would only start burning the human pigs (i.e. self-hating Jews). :D :laugh:
I think burning them is a bit extreme. Self-hating Jews have the right to live, just not in Israel.
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"Nobody should sell this in EY......The HOLY LAND, period!"
Oh come on, Goys also live there, and Goys gotta eat too.
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Now if they would only start burning the human pigs (i.e. self-hating Jews). :D :laugh:
I think burning them is a bit extreme. Self-hating Jews have the right to live, just not in Israel.
I agree. Hard core leftists are not the majority in EY. I believe the majority can be restored to pride and nationalism with some decent leadership.
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Basically, who cares where the Goys shop for lunchmeat?
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I think Hallal deli's should be burnt down though, shouldn't be any of those in Israel. ;D
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I think burning them is a bit extreme. Self-hating Jews have the right to live, just not in Israel.
Why should Jews who have Jewish blood on their hands not be executed? The Bible says that evil Israelites should be stoned, and not with weed. ;)
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That's what happens when a deli in Israel stocks "smoked ham"!
I weigh in on the side of there being no pork production and/or sales in Eretz Yisrael.
There's more than enough variety of foods for Gentiles to eat there, and if they can not live without eating pigs, they simply should not visit or live in Israel.
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That's what happens when a deli in Israel stocks "smoked ham"!
I weigh in on the side of there being no pork production and/or sales in Eretz Yisrael.
There's more than enough variety of foods for Gentiles to eat there, and if they can not live without eating pigs, they simply should not visit or live in Israel.
Amen Amen
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That's what happens when a deli in Israel stocks "smoked ham"!
I weigh in on the side of there being no pork production and/or sales in Eretz Yisrael.
There's more than enough variety of foods for Gentiles to eat there, and if they can not live without eating pigs, they simply should not visit or live in Israel.
Amen Amen
But they do have porky in Israel the head of peace now yariv oppheimer
I present to you PORKY
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3347/untitledod3.png)
Shot at 2007-04-28
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I think burning them is a bit extreme. Self-hating Jews have the right to live, just not in Israel.
Why should Jews who have Jewish blood on their hands not be executed? The Bible says that evil Israelites should be stoned, and not with weed. ;)
That's assuming that all self-hating Jews have blood on their hands, which is untenable.
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That's what happens when a deli in Israel stocks "smoked ham"!
I weigh in on the side of there being no pork production and/or sales in Eretz Yisrael.
There's more than enough variety of foods for Gentiles to eat there, and if they can not live without eating pigs, they simply should not visit or live in Israel.
Amen Amen
But they do have porky in Israel the head of peace now yariv oppheimer
I present to you PORKY
(http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3347/untitledod3.png)
Shot at 2007-04-28
He looks more like a Boar. I think they have his picture on the sides of the Boars Head Trucks.
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Yes now that i think ofit your right
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Ze'ev, we often say, and very accurately so, that all Arabs have Jewish blood on their hands. Even if they haven't all individually murdered Jews, they all enjoy it when their friends and family members kill Jews and they financially, materially, and politically (i.e. through taqqiyah propaganda toward the infidels) support the outright murderers.
How do self-hating, Arab-loving, Erev Rav Jews (ys"vz) do any differently?
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They should save the pork from this deli before burning it to the ground and throw slices of ham and bacon at mosques.
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Ze'ev, we often say, and very accurately so, that all Arabs have Jewish blood on their hands. Even if they haven't all individually murdered Jews, they all enjoy it when their friends and family members kill Jews and they financially, materially, and politically (i.e. through taqqiyah propaganda toward the infidels) support the outright murderers.
How do self-hating, Arab-loving, Erev Rav Jews (ys"vz) do any differently?
I would just be careful with using the word ALL. Not ALL self-hating traitors have done something that has directly or indirectly led to the loss of life. There are some self-hating traitors who could become good Jews, I know people who used to be left-wing traitors but they were able to come to their senses and realize that they were wrong. To indiscriminately murder people like that to me is a crime. I just think we need to be more careful when calling for the deaths of self-hating Jews. Surely Yariv Oppen"heimen" deserves to be killed, so why don't we just be a bit more careful in our language and say that every self-hating Jew who has personally contributed directly or indirectly to the deaths of fellow Jews, should deserve to die. There are young Jews out there who are self-hating and who still have a chance to be redeemed.
Of course the same sort of tolerance shouldn't be accepted when it comes to our enemies, but when it comes to Jews I believe there should be a different standard.
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Ze'ev, we often say, and very accurately so, that all Arabs have Jewish blood on their hands. Even if they haven't all individually murdered Jews, they all enjoy it when their friends and family members kill Jews and they financially, materially, and politically (i.e. through taqqiyah propaganda toward the infidels) support the outright murderers.
How do self-hating, Arab-loving, Erev Rav Jews (ys"vz) do any differently?
I would just be careful with using the word ALL. Not ALL self-hating traitors have done something that has directly or indirectly led to the loss of life. There are some self-hating traitors who could become good Jews, I know people who used to be left-wing traitors but they were able to come to their senses and realize that they were wrong. To indiscriminately murder people like that to me is a crime. I just think we need to be more careful when calling for the deaths of self-hating Jews. Surely Yariv Oppen"heimen" deserves to be killed, so why don't we just be a bit more careful in our language and say that every self-hating Jew who has personally contributed directly or indirectly to the deaths of fellow Jews, should deserve to die. There are young Jews out there who are self-hating and who still have a chance to be redeemed.
Of course the same sort of tolerance shouldn't be accepted when it comes to our enemies, but when it comes to Jews I believe there should be a different standard.
I'm with you. I'll save my death calls for confirmed traitors.....knesset members, Snr police , peace now leaders etc.
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Ze'ev...
You do have a point. I think we are probably coming onto a phiosophical chicken-and-egg question: are self-hating Jews all evil and therefore deserving of death or are they only not yet enlightened? I don't think there will be any answer to this that is satisfactory to all parties. The Bible says, in both Testaments (if you are a Christian) that all sinners deserve death. G-d chooses not to give everyone their just desserts because he is merciful and slow to anger and wants to allow as many people as possible to come to him. Will all of the wicked come to him? No; not even close. But he does leave the window open, even knowing what the final outcome will be with the vast majority of them.
So let's try to implement this in some real-life hypothetical cases:
1: Do I believe that a self-hating Bolshevik couple from Tel Aviv who vote for Kadima and want to see Jews kicked out of all of Judea and Samaria deserve death? Yes.
2: Would I be willing to give them a chance to be exposed to the light of Kahanism and repent? Yes.
3: If they do not repent, and continue to resist Kahanism and do all in their power to stop Chaim from making aliyah and JTF being elected in Israel, should they be put to death? Absolutely.
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Ze'ev...
You do have a point. I think we are probably coming onto a phiosophical chicken-and-egg question: are self-hating Jews all evil and therefore deserving of death or are they only not yet enlightened? I don't think there will be any answer to this that is satisfactory to all parties. The Bible says, in both Testaments (if you are a Christian) that all sinners deserve death. G-d chooses not to give everyone their just desserts because he is merciful and slow to anger and wants to allow as many people as possible to come to him. Will all of the wicked come to him? No; not even close. But he does leave the window open, even knowing what the final outcome will be with the vast majority of them.
So let's try to implement this in some real-life hypothetical cases:
1: Do I believe that a self-hating Bolshevik couple from Tel Aviv who vote for Kadima and want to see Jews kicked out of all of Judea and Samaria deserve death? Yes.
2: Would I be willing to give them a chance to be exposed to the light of Kahanism and repent? Yes.
3: If they do not repent, and continue to resist Kahanism and do all in their power to stop Chaim from making aliyah and JTF being elected in Israel, should they be put to death? Absolutely.
Ok. Your first example basically describes about 60% of Jewish Israelis. I think it's safe to say that 60% of Jews vote for Kadima or worse political parties. At least 50% of Jewish Israelis want Jews out of Judea and Samaria as part of a final "peace deal". You can dispute those statistics with me, of course they are rough, but I think that they are indicative of the general situation.
I don't know if most of them would do all in their power to stop Chaim from making aliyah, most of those people aren't going to do anything to prevent him from coming into the country but I think that at least (I think I'm being conservative here) 50% of Jewish Israelis would prevent a Kahanist government from taking power in Israel. If you think that those people should all be put to death, you are basically advocating a genocide of nearly 3 million Jews.
That is something I could never support.
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Ze'ev...
You do have a point. I think we are probably coming onto a phiosophical chicken-and-egg question: are self-hating Jews all evil and therefore deserving of death or are they only not yet enlightened? I don't think there will be any answer to this that is satisfactory to all parties. The Bible says, in both Testaments (if you are a Christian) that all sinners deserve death. G-d chooses not to give everyone their just desserts because he is merciful and slow to anger and wants to allow as many people as possible to come to him. Will all of the wicked come to him? No; not even close. But he does leave the window open, even knowing what the final outcome will be with the vast majority of them.
So let's try to implement this in some real-life hypothetical cases:
1: Do I believe that a self-hating Bolshevik couple from Tel Aviv who vote for Kadima and want to see Jews kicked out of all of Judea and Samaria deserve death? Yes.
2: Would I be willing to give them a chance to be exposed to the light of Kahanism and repent? Yes.
3: If they do not repent, and continue to resist Kahanism and do all in their power to stop Chaim from making aliyah and JTF being elected in Israel, should they be put to death? Absolutely.
Ok. Your first example basically describes about 60% of Jewish Israelis. I think it's safe to say that 60% of Jews vote for Kadima or worse political parties. At least 50% of Jewish Israelis want Jews out of Judea and Samaria as part of a final "peace deal". You can dispute those statistics with me, of course they are rough, but I think that they are indicative of the general situation.
I don't know if most of them would do all in their power to stop Chaim from making aliyah, most of those people aren't going to do anything to prevent him from coming into the country but I think that at least (I think I'm being conservative here) 50% of Jewish Israelis would prevent a Kahanist government from taking power in Israel. If you think that those people should all be put to death, you are basically advocating a genocide of nearly 3 million Jews.
That is something I could never support.
Ze'ev, isn't it fair to say that out of the 50% who support disngagement that at least half will change their mind when it doesn't work?
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Well, we disengaged from Gaza only to be met with daily qassam fire into southern Israel and that didn't seem to convert a big chunk of the disengagement supporters. That doesn't seem to stop most Israelis and their support of a pull-out from Judea and Samaria and the harassment of the settlers there.
Most Israelis know that The "Palestinians" rejected the partition plan, rejected the Oslo accords, reject everything, hear Hamas every day saying that they want all of Israel and nothing less, see Hezballah and Hamas terrorists launching rockets into pre-1967 Israel.
They see these things and they still think that a "land for peace" will create a long-lasting solution. What else do people need to see that will indicate to them that this plan won't work?
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Well, we disengaged from Gaza only to be met with daily qassam fire into southern Israel and that didn't seem to convert a big chunk of the disengagement supporters. That doesn't seem to stop most Israelis and their support of a pull-out from Judea and Samaria and the harassment of the settlers there.
Most Israelis know that The "PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis" rejected the partition plan, rejected the Oslo accords, reject everything, hear Hamas every day saying that they want all of Israel and nothing less, see Hezballah and Hamas terrorists launching rockets into pre-1967 Israel.
They see these things and they still think that a "land for peace" will create a long-lasting solution. What else do people need to see that will indicate to them that this plan won't work?
That's discouraging. It means near 50% of Israeli Jews have incurable madness.
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If the suspect is religious (and guilty), I would be ashamed of the act. Lighting a fire on Shabbat is a complete sin. Even asking a Gentile to do it is disallowed. I am all for burning these pork selling delis down, as long as it isn't done on Shabbat
Shavua tov all
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It is possible he didn't do it. "The suspect denied the allegations"
I know a few other "buildings" in Israel that I wouldn't mind watching burn down.
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It is possible he didn't do it. "The suspect denied the allegations"
I know a few other "buildings" in Israel that I wouldn't mind watching burn down.
Like the one beginning with a 'k', for instance?
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There are haredi Jews in Israel that frequently violate the Shabbat to harrass and otherwise harm Shabbat violators.
If this sounds like lunacy to you-it is.
They've created a new religion where bashing non-religious people for not keeping halacha is more imporantant that keeping halacha.
I'm not saying the Shabbath violator is right either.
It's a situation where all parties invovled are wrong.
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Listen, the only real reason why pork and pigs should be allowed in Israel is to get rid of the Muzzies!
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There are haredi Jews in Israel that frequently violate the Shabbat to harrass and otherwise harm Shabbat violators.
If this sounds like lunacy to you-it is.
They've created a new religion where bashing non-religious people for not keeping halacha is more imporantant that keeping halacha.
I'm not saying the Shabbath violator is right either.
It's a situation where all parties invovled are wrong.
Are the charedim violating Shabbos by chucking rocks?....even in good cause?
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Absolutely, and I hate it when they do. It's disgustingly hypocritical and completely ASSUR. Not to mention a massive chillul Hashem.
I don't care if they're right or wrong, what annoys me greatly is that they do these things in the name of religion. REAL Torah observant Jews would NEVER violate Shabbat for ANY reason (other than a life-threatening one, of course)
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Absolutely, and I hate it when they do. It's disgustingly hypocritical and completely ASSUR. Not to mention a massive chillul Hashem.
I don't care if they're right or wrong, what annoys me greatly is that they do these things in the name of religion. REAL Torah observant Jews would NEVER violate Shabbat for ANY reason (other than a life-threatening one, of course)
I've heard reliable testimony of Jewish babies being killed or injured when rocks from these charedim go through car windows. That's inexcusable.
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There are haredi Jews in Israel that frequently violate the Shabbat to harrass and otherwise harm Shabbat violators.
If this sounds like lunacy to you-it is.
They've created a new religion where bashing non-religious people for not keeping halacha is more imporantant that keeping halacha.
I'm not saying the Shabbath violator is right either.
It's a situation where all parties invovled are wrong.
Are the charedim violating Shabbos by chucking rocks?....even in good cause?
Yes. Your not even allowed to move rocks at all on Shabbos.
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There are haredi Jews in Israel that frequently violate the Shabbat to harrass and otherwise harm Shabbat violators.
If this sounds like lunacy to you-it is.
They've created a new religion where bashing non-religious people for not keeping halacha is more imporantant that keeping halacha.
I'm not saying the Shabbath violator is right either.
It's a situation where all parties invovled are wrong.
I agree with you completely, Lubab. A lot of these so-called ultra-religious Jews don't even work and devote their lives to this utter nonsense. Yet they hate JTF and Kahanism and even Zionism itself. Makes no sense to me. They are cuckoo. ::)