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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Green Land on August 13, 2014, 09:19:01 AM
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PROOF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0XolKsVSg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0XolKsVSg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop)
Crimes of ukrainian nazis July - August 2014. 18+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04)
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I see no reason why the Ukrainians need facism/national-socialism...
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I see no reason why would ANY nation support nazism. But the fact of life is that there are very bad people in the world and nations led by evil and devil.
One could also ask a question would any reasonable and good person be a muslim?
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They don't look to intimidating some look like fat boys the others look like they need a meal
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Look the rest of the youtube videos in my post (3 of them) and see what are thy capable of.
Did the Hitler look intimidating or the chicken farmer Himmler?
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Look the rest of the youtube videos in my post (3 of them) and see what are thy capable of.
Did the Hitler look intimidating or the chicken farmer Himmler?
true you're right
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PROOF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0XolKsVSg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0XolKsVSg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop)
Crimes of ukrainian nazis July - August 2014. 18+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04)
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This is complete fake, including deliberately incorrect translation, twisting of facts and outright lying. I understand that you, as a Serb, support Russians, but you are going about it in a wrong way, deliberately spewing hatred toward another people who are equally close to Serbs. This video is for people who have no clue and don't speak Ukrainian nor Russian. We have Ukranian Jew here, let him correct me if I am wrong.
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This is not fake !
Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych are ukrainian nazis who commited many crimes agains Jews in the WW2, formed ukrainian ss units and called Hitler their leader. Today, as we speak they are celebrated and praised by Ukrainians all over the country, and monuments dedicated to them are build in almost every ukrainian town.
In this youtube video I posted ukrainian crowd is Shouting: ''Shukhevych, Bandera, heroes of Ukraine'' and call Stepan Bandera to rise from the grave. They wear also nazi uniforms from the WW2.
If you don't believe me you can see for yourself, and google it for yourself for Roman Shukhevych and Stepan Bandera.
Being a Serb and being against nazis, that doesn't mean that I automatically support everything that Russians do. As a matter of fact I think that russian support for Gaza, ''palestinians'' is shameful and evil. Also russian help to Iran in building atomic bomb is also evil thing to do. Russians arming muslim arab countries also evil. As well as pogroms against Jews in Imperial Russia. I think everyone who does such crimes has to pay and be punished.
BUT in present day Ukraine we must expose rising of nazism among ukrainian population, and say openly that neonazi parties like ''Svoboda'' form the ukrainian government, and ukrainian soldiers from the Nationalguard and Right Sector wear german nazi insignia from the WW2 in the present conflict in Ukraine.
And, please, Manch, don't react and behave like a muslim or political correct liberal ! Telling the truth is not spreading hatred.
Why would you defend people who praise, celebrate and worship vicious nazis from the WW2, who tortured and killed tens of thousands of Jews and were fanatic supporters of Hitler???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0XolKsVSg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0XolKsVSg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop)
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:thumbsdown:
This is complete fake, including deliberately incorrect translation, twisting of facts and outright lying. I understand that you, as a Serb, support Russians, but you are going about it in a wrong way, deliberately spewing hatred toward another people who are equally close to Serbs. This video is for people who have no clue and don't speak Ukrainian nor Russian. We have Ukranian Jew here, let him correct me if I am wrong.
Damn you are a sick puppy must you insult everybody on this forum?
Calm down!!!!!!!!
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It is most likely that the Ukrainians by themselves may not be that much of nazi. But the EU eurocommunists may be paying some of them to become like that only. The objective behind this is to start an infighting among the European states and powers, so that the the muslamic caliphate is the ultimate beneficiary in the long run. Obviously this is all about the new transformation which is being obamized.
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Manch, Ukrainians are not allies of the Serbs. They were the allies of the German Nazis who committed a holocaust against the Serbs (along with their Croat allies).
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Manch, Ukrainians are not allies of the Serbs. They were the allies of the German Nazis who committed a holocaust against the Serbs (along with their Croat allies).
You are right!
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140812/191926807/Serbian-Volunteers-Destroy-Ukrainian-Artillery-in-Donetsk-Region.html
Serbian Volunteers Destroy Ukrainian Artillery in Donetsk Region
DONETSK, August 12 (RIA Novosti) – A group of Serbian volunteers, helping Donetsk militia to fight government troops in eastern Ukraine, says they have repelled an offensive of pro-Kiev military forces, who attempted overnight to break through to a vital motorway.
“Two tanks, belonging to the neo-Bandera [thugs], and one self-propelled gun together with their crews, as well a mountain gun, were destroyed during the fight,” the press office of the Donetsk self-defense forces cited the Serbs as saying.
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The ukranians have always been savage, nazi beasts. As much as i hate russia, I hope they annihilate these vermin.
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:thumbsdown:
This is complete fake, including deliberately incorrect translation, twisting of facts and outright lying. I understand that you, as a Serb, support Russians, but you are going about it in a wrong way, deliberately spewing hatred toward another people who are equally close to Serbs. This video is for people who have no clue and don't speak Ukrainian nor Russian. We have Ukranian Jew here, let him correct me if I am wrong.
I'm willing to hear your side of the story, but ^ is just: say nay->personal attack->general attack->emotional reasoning (group loyalty, in this case). What did you find to be incorrect?
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The ukranians have always been savage, nazi beasts. As much as i hate russia, I hope they annihilate these vermin.
The Russians are no better, trust me.. IF only they could annihilate each other.
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It saddens me to say this, but yes the Ukraine has been a haven to some real sick Nazi ideology for a long time, coming from in large part the Uniates in western Galicia, those 'eastern-rite' Papists who have the forms of Orthodoxy but follow the Vatican. On the other end the Ukrainians have been beaten down by the brutish autocracy of the Czars since Peter the Great, so there haven't been many good options for them historically.
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This is not fake !
Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych are ukrainian nazis who commited many crimes agains Jews in the WW2, formed ukrainian ss units and called Hitler their leader. Today, as we speak they are celebrated and praised by Ukrainians all over the country, and monuments dedicated to them are build in almost every ukrainian town.
In this youtube video I posted ukrainian crowd is Shouting: ''Shukhevych, Bandera, heroes of Ukraine'' and call Stepan Bandera to rise from the grave. They wear also nazi uniforms from the WW2.
If you don't believe me you can see for yourself, and google it for yourself for Roman Shukhevych and Stepan Bandera.
Being a Serb and being against nazis, that doesn't mean that I automatically support everything that Russians do. As a matter of fact I think that russian support for Gaza, ''palestinians'' is shameful and evil. Also russian help to Iran in building atomic bomb is also evil thing to do. Russians arming muslim arab countries also evil. As well as pogroms against Jews in Imperial Russia. I think everyone who does such crimes has to pay and be punished.
BUT in present day Ukraine we must expose rising of nazism among ukrainian population, and say openly that neonazi parties like ''Svoboda'' form the ukrainian government, and ukrainian soldiers from the Nationalguard and Right Sector wear german nazi insignia from the WW2 in the present conflict in Ukraine.
And, please, Manch, don't react and behave like a muslim or political correct liberal ! Telling the truth is not spreading hatred.
Why would you defend people who praise, celebrate and worship vicious nazis from the WW2, who tortured and killed tens of thousands of Jews and were fanatic supporters of Hitler???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0XolKsVSg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0XolKsVSg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop)
Few things.
I actually don't disagree with what you've said above: Bandera, Shushkevich and what they represented, their followers and supporters are completely evil.
My comment was about the video you've posted and it was a compote fabrication on so many levels which are represented as facts. Just a quick example: when people in the video cry "glory to heroes", English translation shows as "sieg heil"
A quick point: you are trying to portray Ukraine as taken over by Banderovtsy. You must know that the party that represents and glorify Banderovtsy in the last presidential elections, and whose supporters were so vividly portrayed in the video, "Svoboda", got only 2% of the popular vote, about the same as Jewish presidential candidate Vladimir Rabinovitch.
So I don't actually disagree with your response to me, your use of fake materials is biased
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As someone who was born and raised in Lviv, I can tell you for a fact that most Ukrainians are Nazis and support this violence.
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PROOF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0XolKsVSg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0XolKsVSg&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop)
Crimes of ukrainian nazis July - August 2014. 18+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04)
I am REALLY glad you have posted this.
The new 'government' which was installed by a US/EU backed coup IS NAZI and has BEEN Nazi since they over-threw Yanukovych.
I have covered this at length:
http://themadjewess.wordpress.com//?s=ukraine&search=Go
http://themadjewess.net/category/ukraine/
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If the world doesn't wake up to this revival of Naziism in Ukraine and it's links to militant Islam, we will be in serious trouble very soon.
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I see no reason why the Ukrainians need facism/national-socialism...
Some people here are just complete morons who forget that their hero, shitler, said that Ukrainians, along with Jews, are "untermenschen". On the other hand, Russia's government openly includes neo-nazis.
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:thumbsdown:
This is complete fake, including deliberately incorrect translation, twisting of facts and outright lying. I understand that you, as a Serb, support Russians, but you are going about it in a wrong way, deliberately spewing hatred toward another people who are equally close to Serbs. This video is for people who have no clue and don't speak Ukrainian nor Russian. We have Ukranian Jew here, let him correct me if I am wrong.
I believe that yes, it is inaccurate. I hate our current government, because it is run by the chocolate king (shokoladny korol) who does not represent the people, only corporate greed (which is most governments nowadays). But the good thing is that the neo-nazis only won in one single district in the entire country.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/files/2014/06/Kandydaty-prez-lidery-2014.jpg)
That little yellow spot in the far west is the only place where the largest nazi party won. I also hate how they say "smert moskalyam", etc. because not all Russians are enemies, and western decadence should not enter Ukraine. There are Russian parties like Национальный Демократический Союз which is nationalist yet not neo-nazi, and also pro-Israel and even pro-Ukrainian and supports right-wing conservative movements in the West. But unfortunately it is true that most Russian nationalists believe in a blend of Nazism and Communism. Ukrainian nationalists have made clear the historical opposition to both Communism and Nazism, it just bothers me that many see no problem in allying with Nazis and supporting Islamists in Chechnya.
Serbian nationalists (Chetniks)- those are people who I highly respect. I don't like the fact that they seem to worship Putin, they don't realize you can support patriotic Russian movements without supporting Putin, and that many pro-government Russian neo-nazis like both Communists and Nazis, whom the Chetniks heroically fought against. Again that's not all Russians. I have strong respect for Russian people for not going with whatever's trendy in the West, but unfortunately this also has to do with government-worship. I'm a Ukrainian speaker, and I want my government to actively promote the Ukrainian language. I don't dare say this in public because it's seen as unpatriotic, but I'm kind of glad Crimea's gone, because the vast majority wanted to join Russia, they're mostly ethnic Russians as well as Russian-speakers, etc. and it would just create more problems. I think maybe Donbas should be split between Ukraine and Russia, and then some ethnically Ukrainian villages on the Russian side of the border from Kharkiv should go to Ukraine.
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(https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/00-svoboda-support-in-the-ukraine-2012-25-03-14.jpg?w=1200&h=960)
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/anti-semitic-party-wins-12-of-seats-in-ukraine-parliament.premium-1.472792 (http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/anti-semitic-party-wins-12-of-seats-in-ukraine-parliament.premium-1.472792)
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Neonazis-Ukraine.jpg)
(http://rt.com/files/opinionpost/21/e8/80/00/2.jpg)
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72033000/jpg/_72033737_54293705-e178-4755-8866-d90da6096374.jpg)
(http://binaryapi.ap.org/253f3a7654ef4ad6905575e67631a5d1/460x.jpg)
(http://mato48.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/ukraine-nazi-march-1.jpg)
(http://www.les-crises.fr/images/images-diverses/2014/ukraine/25-fascistes/violence-kiev-224.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YY9rW_pXAqw/UgUWBseIcUI/AAAAAAAAAys/_4p5oFFqdPA/s1600/SS_Galicia.jpg)
(http://cpnagasaki.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/nazis-kievcapture.jpg)
(http://a395.idata.over-blog.com/0/32/46/53/illustrations25/nazis-ukraine.jpg)
(https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/galician-ss-e1270160924833.jpg?w=1000&h=708)
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(https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/00-svoboda-support-in-the-ukraine-2012-25-03-14.jpg?w=1200&h=960)
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/anti-semitic-party-wins-12-of-seats-in-ukraine-parliament.premium-1.472792 (http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/anti-semitic-party-wins-12-of-seats-in-ukraine-parliament.premium-1.472792)
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Neonazis-Ukraine.jpg)
(http://rt.com/files/opinionpost/21/e8/80/00/2.jpg)
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72033000/jpg/_72033737_54293705-e178-4755-8866-d90da6096374.jpg)
(http://binaryapi.ap.org/253f3a7654ef4ad6905575e67631a5d1/460x.jpg)
(http://mato48.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/ukraine-nazi-march-1.jpg)
(http://www.les-crises.fr/images/images-diverses/2014/ukraine/25-fascistes/violence-kiev-224.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YY9rW_pXAqw/UgUWBseIcUI/AAAAAAAAAys/_4p5oFFqdPA/s1600/SS_Galicia.jpg)
(http://cpnagasaki.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/nazis-kievcapture.jpg)
(http://a395.idata.over-blog.com/0/32/46/53/illustrations25/nazis-ukraine.jpg)
(https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/galician-ss-e1270160924833.jpg?w=1000&h=708)
Svoboda was in 2012. The second picture is a group that no longer exists. I see nothing wrong with the people in the third picture except for the symbol on the guy with the cossack haircut's shirt. I have no idea what's wrong with the fourth picture. The fifth picture was at a rally for a now defunct nazi party. Six, seven, eight, nine- all nazis, that is true, but they don't represent the majority of Ukrainians. They're just more vocal than the rest of the population. The last picture, was from WWII.
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AGAIN!
The video is NOT fake !
The hard fact of life is that nazis in Ukraine are armed and unleashed by the Government, and in this summer they overshadowed their ancestors, SS grandads from WW2.
This is the result of nazi ukrainian deeds in the middle of Europe in June, July and August of 2014. They are butchering people as we type here, and you can't see it in western media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04)
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AGAIN!
The video is NOT fake !
The hard fact of life is that nazis in Ukraine are armed and unleashed by the Government, and in this summer they overshadowed their ancestors, SS grandads from WW2.
This is the result of nazi ukrainian deeds in the middle of Europe in June, July and August of 2014. They are butchering people as we type here, and you can't see it in western media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04)
Can those be confirmed or their authenticity verified? I don't dismiss that they may be real, but on the other hand, ask yourself: Why are the separatists shooting missiles from civilian-populated areas, and using innocent people as human shields like Hamas? I think maybe part of Donbas should go to Russia just so there's no more trouble? I do feel for Serbs and Serbia, and I hate it how some Ukrainians support scum like Ante Pavelić because they feel like they need to support Croats just because Serbs support Russia. I have nothing against Russians, and yes, some Ukrainian nationalists are neo-nazis even though they deny it, and those are my enemies, as I'm proud to be Jewish. However please understand that I'm proud to be Ukrainian, and I will condemn Russian support for insurgents who fight against my country, but without hating Russia like the idiot neo-nazis do. I also strongly condemned American involvement in Ukraine because of the scumbag John McCain taking pictures with a political leader with ties to neo-nazis (Oleh Tyahnybok).
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But yes, I think some crimes were committed by the Azov battalion, who are indeed nazi garbage.
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This is complete fake, including deliberately incorrect translation, twisting of facts and outright lying. I understand that you, as a Serb, support Russians, but you are going about it in a wrong way, deliberately spewing hatred toward another people who are equally close to Serbs. This video is for people who have no clue and don't speak Ukrainian nor Russian. We have Ukranian Jew here, let him correct me if I am wrong.
It is also true that some Ukrainian nationalists from one of the parties that was later corrupted by nazis, helped the Serbs fight against "Bosnian" mujahideen terrorists (I put it in quotes because real Bosnians are a subgroup of Serbs) before the party was taken over by neo-nazis who support the Ustaša. The former leader of that party has also been to Israel numerous times and expressed support for Israel and Lebanese Christian groups against Islamic terrorism.
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AGAIN!
The video is NOT fake !
The hard fact of life is that nazis in Ukraine are armed and unleashed by the Government, and in this summer they overshadowed their ancestors, SS grandads from WW2.
This is the result of nazi ukrainian deeds in the middle of Europe in June, July and August of 2014. They are butchering people as we type here, and you can't see it in western media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u3DPljVUv8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fHJ-nKHPE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBNadXxp04)
You remind me of a joke that I heard a few days ago:
An Ukranian is visiting his relatives in Russia and they bombard him with questions about nazis roaming the streets of Kiev and Odessa. He, genuinely bemused, is responding that he has seen nothing of the sort.
In desperation, his Russian relatives conclude that the fact he denies this what they saw on Russian TV, is a total proof that their Ukrainian guest was completely brainwashed by the fascist Ukrainian mass media.
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You remind me of a joke that I heard a few days ago:
An Ukranian is visiting his relatives in Russia and they bombard him with questions about nazis roaming the streets of Kiev and Odessa. He, genuinely bemused, is responding that he has seen nothing of the sort.
In desperation, his Russian relatives conclude that the fact he denies this what they saw on Russian TV, is a total proof that their Ukrainian guest was completely brainwashed by the fascist Ukrainian mass media.
Articles on Pravda's, (state-owned media), website, include blatantly anti-Semitic and Ukrainophobic articles. Disgusting sh!t like this:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/08-09-2009/109138-european_jews-0/
http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/03-06-2013/124737-holocaust_survivors-0/
Absolutely disgusting. I'm not saying there is no anti-semitism in Ukraine, but it is not present in the media.
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Pravda is not state owned. It used to be until Yeltsin dissolved communism and Pravda was sold off. It is now an independent newspaper. Nothing on Pravda reflects the official stance of the state Duma, just of the silly wannabe communist party that bought it. Pravda is a joke today.
Russia Today, however, is state owned.
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Pravda is not state owned. It used to be until Yeltsin dissolved communism and Pravda was sold off. It is now an independent newspaper. Nothing on Pravda reflects the official stance of the state Duma, just of the silly wannabe communist party that bought it. Pravda is a joke today.
Russia Today, however, is state owned.
RussiaToday is quite frightening because it attracts a large amount of Americans and Western Europeans who are sick of both liberals and neocons, and then see "the enemy of my enemy is my friend, therefore; Putin must be good!"
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Also how do you explain this picture? These are hardcore Ukrainian ultra-nationalists. Can you show me any Russian nationalists who support Israel other than National Democratic Alliance, which is pro-Ukrainian and pro-Western?
(http://webguerrillero.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/uci.jpg)
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Also how do you explain this picture? These are hardcore Ukrainian ultra-nationalists. Can you show me any Russian nationalists who support Israel other than National Democratic Alliance, which is pro-Ukrainian and pro-Western?
(http://webguerrillero.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/uci.jpg)
I got into a brief argument with Chaim once on this subject. He was saying that Right Sector are a manifestation of Ukrainian Fascism and anti-Semitism. I disagree, because Right Sector has many pro-Jewish writings on their website and they protect synagogues and do not glorify fascism in anyway.
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I got into a brief argument with Chaim once on this subject. He was saying that Right Sector are a manifestation of Ukrainian Fascism and anti-Semitism. I disagree, because Right Sector has many pro-Jewish writings on their website and they protect synagogues and do not glorify fascism in anyway.
I partially agree with both of you. On the one hand the movement is both anti-Russia and anti-West, which it makes very clear, and I have no reason to see why they'd be that way unless they were Nazis. In many cases neo-nazis in eastern Europe outside of Russia see Russia as representing communism and the West- capitalism, therefore they have that unique position. But on the other hand neo-nazis in Western Europe and Greece are staunchly pro-Russian, and I think the neo-nazis in Lithuania are pro-western. Also Pravy Sektor worships Bandera, like he was a God. He was not perfect, I think Ukrainian nationalists need to come to terms with that.
Historically Ukrainian nationalism was a just movement opposed to both Nazism and Communism, and had many Jewish contributors, and also worked closely with Zionists under Petliura, who was best friends with Jabotinsky. The Soviets even complained about Zionism in the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. On the other hand, Bandera was for a brief time allied with Nazi Germany, even though it is true that he suffered in Auschwitz where two of his brothers died. A right-wing Israeli party, בית דוד (House of David) strongly supports Ukrainian nationalists and has even formed an alliance with УНА-УНСО, a Ukrainian political party and paramilitary group, which fought for on the Transnistrian side against Moldova, the Serbian side against Bosnia, on the side of the Ukrainian revolution, and the Georgian side against Abkhaz separatists. It appears different members of the group have two websites- one which is virulently anti-semitic, and the other which is linked to House of David. So far I have seen them do nothing to support Israel other than show that the Israelis support them, so I don't know how I feel about that.
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I got into a brief argument with Chaim once on this subject. He was saying that Right Sector are a manifestation of Ukrainian Fascism and anti-Semitism. I disagree, because Right Sector has many pro-Jewish writings on their website and they protect synagogues and do not glorify fascism in anyway.
Wait, you've been to their site? I try to search for the term "Ізраїль" (Izrayil- Israel in Ukrainian) but the server doesn't respond when I enter a search.
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Also no nationalists won in ANY districts in Ukraine except for Svoboda, in one, which actually is neo-nazi! >:(
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>:( no suprise Obama backs those fuckers same guy that has staff from the Nazi colluding Muslim brotherhood, same [censored] that backed the muslim brotherhoods play in Egypt, same [censored] that armed the Al C.I.A.da in the Maghreb. whats really sad is i'm sure there are Jews in both armies. If Ukraine and Russia go to war we the Jewish people will lose. Slava yevrey
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>:( no suprise Obama backs those fuckers same guy that has staff from the Nazi colluding Muslim brotherhood, same [censored] that backed the muslim brotherhoods play in Egypt, same [censored] that armed the Al C.I.A.da in the Maghreb. whats really sad is i'm sure there are Jews in both armies. If Ukraine and Russia go to war we the Jewish people will lose. Slava yevrey
What do you mean by "those fuckers"? Also the saying "Slava Ukrayini, slava Izrayilyu!" has become popular due to the anti-terrorist operations in which both of our countries are participating.
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Also how do you explain this picture? These are hardcore Ukrainian ultra-nationalists. Can you show me any Russian nationalists who support Israel other than National Democratic Alliance, which is pro-Ukrainian and pro-Western?
(http://webguerrillero.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/uci.jpg)
I explain that picture with this:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Q8910Ix7GNY/U-c60FzaJBI/AAAAAAAAAlk/C2qL1oX_hZY/s1600/lon-hasidic-jews.jpg)
(http://medya.todayszaman.com/todayszaman/2010/06/02/new-york-protests-israel-02.jpg)
Those are self-hating Jews who hold either nazi ukrainian flags or terrorist ''palestinian'' or turkish flag
Remember, even in Nazi concentration camps there were Jews who worked for the Germans. Also there were Jews who helped Germans arrest other Jews in Europe.
Manch and Ukrainian Jew, you two are acctually saying that there are moderate ukrainian nazis, and there are hard core ukrainian nazis. Are you crazy? Why would you defend ukrainian government that arms ukrainian nazis up to their teeth and sends them to commit crimes?? There are training camps where ukrainian regualr army officers are training nazis, before they were sent to war in the Donbass.
Ukrainian Jew and Manch when you whitewash some ukrainian nazis ( government, army nazis), and you say they are not that bad, like the rest of the hardcore, you are actually saying that there are MODERATE Nazis.
You are like those who say that only Hamas is terrorist organization, but PLO and Mahmoud Abbas are not so bad!
Wake up people! Don't close your eyes in front of nazism in Ukraine. If you do that, Babi Yar will be repeated.
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How can a Ukrainian, Polish or RUssian Jew call himself a Ukrainian, Polish or Russian? Have any of you studied history and known about the horrible oppression and tyranny committed against Jews by your Ukrainian , Polish and Russian hosts? Seriously, do I need to refresh any of you in a history lesson?
I, myself am a Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian Jew.. Whose side should I be on? Neither! My grandmother worked her [censored] off in the 70s and 80s, writing letters and talking to various politicians and organizations to help many of my Russian/Belorussian relatives escape the horrors of the Soviet Union. None of them will go and celebrate their Russian or Ukrainian heritage or rejoice in the leaderships or goyim in these countries.
We are all Jewish brothers.. How dare you fight each other in the name of these governments who have oppressed and hate us.. Do any of you people truly think that the Ukrainians , Russians or even Poles have the best intentions for us Jews? If they had it their way, they would be declaring pogroms, ransacking our towns, raping our women and forcing us to live in small slums. We would not be allowed to work normal jobs, be scientists, musicians or attend normal universities. Have any of you forgot what a society ruled by Russian and Ukrainian nationalism has done to the Jewish people?
Before any more RUssian or Ukrainian Jews want to argue back and forth about whose country loves or hates Jews more, take a few steps back and think a little bit. What the h*ll are you thinking??
We are the Jewish people.. Even if there was not a single Muslim in Russia, Ukraine or Poland, I can assure you that these people would find away to torment us and eventually incarcerate us as they have done for 100s and 100s of years. The Muslims are not the only villains in this world.. In fact, I have more concern of the Great Red Terror, i.e. Mother Russia, than I do of the Mujhaideen, ISIS , Al Qaeda or even the Shia nutjobs.
If anyone studies Russian or Ukrainian Orthodox Christianity you will find that these are some of the most Anti-Semitic sects of Christianity on the planet. Both churches have also brought much suffering, pogroms and oppression to the Jewish people. In the eyes of these people, we are just "zhids" . We are not even human. They will never truly forgive us for the lies, which are the accusations of murdering their god, 2000 years ago.
The Pale of Settlement is no friend to any Jew.. ANy of you who think you have a peaceful home in Ukraine, Russia or Poland are on borrowed time. My grandmothers village in Schedrin, Belarus was completely exterminated.. Eastern Europe is nothing more than a big Jewish graveyard, a place where Jews were tormented and had their share of sorrows.
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I explain that picture with this:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Q8910Ix7GNY/U-c60FzaJBI/AAAAAAAAAlk/C2qL1oX_hZY/s1600/lon-hasidic-jews.jpg)
(http://medya.todayszaman.com/todayszaman/2010/06/02/new-york-protests-israel-02.jpg)
Those are self-hating Jews who hold either nazi ukrainian flags or terrorist ''palestinian'' or turkish flag
Remember, even in Nazi concentration camps there were Jews who worked for the Germans. Also there were Jews who helped Germans arrest other Jews in Europe.
Manch and Ukrainian Jew, you two are acctually saying that there are moderate ukrainian nazis, and there are hard core ukrainian nazis. Are you crazy? Why would you defend ukrainian government that arms ukrainian nazis up to their teeth and sends them to commit crimes?? There are training camps where ukrainian regualr army officers are training nazis, before they were sent to war in the Donbass.
Ukrainian Jew and Manch when you whitewash some ukrainian nazis ( government, army nazis), and you say they are not that bad, like the rest of the hardcore, you are actually saying that there are MODERATE Nazis.
You are like those who say that only Hamas is terrorist organization, but PLO and Mahmoud Abbas are not so bad!
Wake up people! Don't close your eyes in front of nazism in Ukraine. If you do that, Babi Yar will be repeated.
I didn't vote for Pravy Sektor. I don't think they're perfect either. I don't consider myself a Banderivets, I think the man was a complicated historical figure who did some bad things, and certainly should not be worshipped as a God. I don't like their blind hatred of the West and Russia, based on idiocy and thinking everyone there is bad. Meanwhile you also must realize that not all Ukrainian nationalists (not the same as Ukrainian nazis, which do exist), and there are Russian nationalists who are also bad- and the Russian government is too. The separatists in Donbas are terrorists for whom no Jews have any sympathy who are also radically anti-Israel, but I also wish that the Ukrainian army would throw out the Azov scum. Babi Yar won't be repeated because the majority of Ukrainians would rise up to stop it. Just like numerous Ukrainians who hid Jews, most of whom were ardent nationalists active in the struggle against Communism. I have real respect as I said before for the Chetniks, who valiantly fought against Nazis, Communists, and Islamists. I think the massacre of Poles in Volhynia was horrific and barbaric, but this was only Mykola Lebed and Dmytro Klyachkivsky who did this. Other Ukrainian nationalists, like Taras Bulba-Borovets, who objected to Nazi collaboration and the murder of civilians, were suppressed by the scumbag Klyachkivsky.
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How can a Ukrainian, Polish or RUssian Jew call himself a Ukrainian, Polish or Russian? Have any of you studied history and known about the horrible oppression and tyranny committed against Jews by your Ukrainian , Polish and Russian hosts? Seriously, do I need to refresh any of you in a history lesson?
I, myself am a Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian Jew.. Whose side should I be on? Neither! My grandmother worked her [censored] off in the 70s and 80s, writing letters and talking to various politicians and organizations to help many of my Russian/Belorussian relatives escape the horrors of the Soviet Union. None of them will go and celebrate their Russian or Ukrainian heritage or rejoice in the leaderships or goyim in these countries.
We are all Jewish brothers.. How dare you fight each other in the name of these governments who have oppressed and hate us.. Do any of you people truly think that the Ukrainians , Russians or even Poles have the best intentions for us Jews? If they had it their way, they would be declaring pogroms, ransacking our towns, raping our women and forcing us to live in small slums. We would not be allowed to work normal jobs, be scientists, musicians or attend normal universities. Have any of you forgot what a society ruled by Russian and Ukrainian nationalism has done to the Jewish people?
Before any more RUssian or Ukrainian Jews want to argue back and forth about whose country loves or hates Jews more, take a few steps back and think a little bit. What the h*ll are you thinking??
We are the Jewish people.. Even if there was not a single Muslim in Russia, Ukraine or Poland, I can assure you that these people would find away to torment us and eventually incarcerate us as they have done for 100s and 100s of years. The Muslims are not the only villains in this world.. In fact, I have more concern of the Great Red Terror, i.e. Mother Russia, than I do of the Mujhaideen, ISIS , Al Qaeda or even the Shia nutjobs.
If anyone studies Russian or Ukrainian Orthodox Christianity you will find that these are some of the most Anti-Semitic sects of Christianity on the planet. Both churches have also brought much suffering, pogroms and oppression to the Jewish people. In the eyes of these people, we are just "zhids" . We are not even human. They will never truly forgive us for the lies, which are the accusations of murdering their god, 2000 years ago.
The Pale of Settlement is no friend to any Jew.. ANy of you who think you have a peaceful home in Ukraine, Russia or Poland are on borrowed time. My grandmothers village in Schedrin, Belarus was completely exterminated.. Eastern Europe is nothing more than a big Jewish graveyard, a place where Jews were tormented and had their share of sorrows.
I have never been called a "zhid" in my life, and I live in L'viv. It's a beautiful city, you should come visit! I promise there are no baby-eating Nazis. I would walk around with an Israeli flag several times a few weeks ago during Israel's fight against terrorists in Gaza, and I got nothing but admiration from Leopolitans. Meanwhile the Russian National Democratic Party has been to Israel, and met with Israeli leaders. By your logic we should all hate the Serbs because they're friends with Russia and they proudly identify as Slavs. I always defend the interests of my people, I speak out vocally against anti-Semitism whenever I hear it, and I refuse to vote for anyone unless they support Israel and reject all ties with neo-nazis. I also condemn leftist marxists and their communism. Also Belarus is the cradle of Israel. Their president is a neo-nazi but the nationalist opposition is very pro-Israel, which I can confirm personally, except for one neo-nazi party "Right Alliance", which posted an editorial on their website praising Hamas. If the nazis were to come marching in one day, my friends and neighbors, or my Christian relatives (my father's Greek Catholic) would surely let me hide with them. Slavic people are considered inferior by Nazis- just ask our Serbian friends, and so any Slavs who helped the Nazis were traitors to their people. Real Slavs consider Jews as their brothers.
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What do you mean by "those fuckers"? Also the saying "Slava Ukrayini, slava Izrayilyu!" has become popular due to the anti-terrorist operations in which both of our countries are participating.
Those fuckers are the Sloboda party. Not all Ukrainians fought for the Nazis and not all Ukrainian nationalists were Nazi's.
Mahkno fought for Ukraine he chased out the Germans He chased out the czar and He fought the Bolsheviks, and He actually succeeded in Having a free Ukraine for a few years. Whats even better about Mahkno, all bolsevik slander aside he had Jew's in his army, he had Jewish Detachments in his army. Yet sloboda still chose the [censored] nazis
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Those fuckers are the Sloboda party. Not all Ukrainians fought for the Nazis and not all Ukrainian nationalists were Nazi's.
Mahkno fought for Ukraine he chased out the Germans He chased out the czar and He fought the Bolsheviks, and He actually succeeded in Having a free Ukraine for a few years. Whats even better about Mahkno, all bolsevik slander aside he had Jew's in his army, he had Jewish Detachments in his army. Yet sloboda still chose the [censored] nazis
Makhno was a leftist commie. Petliura was the real hero. He strongly supported the creation of Israel. Unfortunately he was shot by some anarchist leftist pig and fake-Jewish commie, who was probably a Soviet agent, who should have been executed. And yes I agree about Svoboda. They are brainless and vitriolic. I wish the majority of Ukrainian nationalists were like Pravy Sektor and not Svoboda.
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I never heard of Petliura, Mahkno may have been a lefty but he had some fight, and like I said He chose to include Jews in his Ukraine too.
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This is about Petliura and Zionism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symon_Petliura
http://www.ukrweekly.com/old/archive/2000/370021.shtml
And then marxist scum whining about Jews and Ukrainians trying to liberate themselves from genocidal communist filth:
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/ironwall/06-petliura.htm
And what I wonder is why the [censored] are these marxist piles of [censored] gushing over "Labour Zionists", when it's clear they've always supported the "Palestinian" Arabs, something they make very clear? There is no such thing as "Labour Zionism", it is bull[censored]; as is "Democratic Socialism" or "moderate Islam".
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בס''ד
The Ukrainians and the Russians both massacred, raped and tortured millions of Jews for centuries. The Ukrainians and the Russians should kill each other as much as possible, beezrat Hashem (with G-d's help).
Any Jew who lives in Ukraine after all that they did is insane. Any Jew who defends the Ukrainian Nazi mass murdering pigs is self-hating. I am not interesting in debating your holocaust revisionism. Stay in Ukraine with the butchers of Babi Yar and the kozaks. Continue to intermarry with these jealous, drunken savages. But do not come on this Kahanist forum to whitewash their Nazi crimes.
A message to our Serb members who are always trying to come here to defend the Russian Jew-haters: We support Serbia because the Serbs did not murder Jews in the holocaust and the Serbs did fight bravely against the German Nazis. Also the enemies of the Serbs are the enemies of the Jews - the Croats, Albanians and Bosnians were always Nazi Jew-haters and they murdered 90,000 Yugoslav Jews during the holocaust. So we are pro-Serb. But we do not and will not support your Russian Jew-hating allies who have always sought to destroy the Jewish people and who to this day are doing everything possible to help Muslim Nazi Iran develop nuclear weapons. If you want our support, stop demanding that we support our Russian enemies even if they happen to be your allies.
What a sick generation we live in. This is what the plague of intermarriage does - it causes Jews to defend their Nazi murderers. But not on this forum.
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why is justin bieber wearing that nazi shirt?
(http://www.les-crises.fr/images/images-diverses/2014/ukraine/25-fascistes/violence-kiev-224.jpg)
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This kind of nazi clows everywhere. People need to stop doing this kind of crap! This stupid kids don't even know what they are doing. They should know who their enemy is, act like true patriots and stop mixing patriotism with this kind of nazi crap!
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Those fuckers are the Sloboda party. Not all Ukrainians fought for the Nazis and not all Ukrainian nationalists were Nazi's.
Mahkno fought for Ukraine he chased out the Germans He chased out the czar and He fought the Bolsheviks, and He actually succeeded in Having a free Ukraine for a few years. Whats even better about Mahkno, all bolsevik slander aside he had Jew's in his army, he had Jewish Detachments in his army. Yet sloboda still chose the [censored] nazis
This is an understatement.
For nazis: a few hundred thousand , perhaps 300k thought and collaborated, mostly from Galicia
For the Red Army: over 7 million, 1.7m KIA. I.e, more Ukrainians died fighting nazis than Brits, Americans, French, Duth, Belgians combined.
Therefore, lumping all Ukrainians as nazis is myopic at best.
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Based on the map, it seems to me that there is just a Nazi section in Ukraine, with the majority of the population being simply anti-semetic, or just garden-style nazis.
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The Ukrainians and the Russians both massacred, raped and tortured millions of Jews for centuries. The Ukrainians and the Russians should kill each other as much as possible, beezrat Hashem (with G-d's help).
Any Jew who lives in Ukraine after all that they did is insane. Any Jew who defends the Ukrainian Nazi mass murdering pigs is self-hating. I am not interesting in debating your holocaust revisionism. Stay in Ukraine with the butchers of Babi Yar and the kozaks. Continue to intermarry with these jealous, drunken savages. But do not come on this Kahanist forum to whitewash their Nazi crimes.
A message to our Serb members who are always trying to come here to defend the Russian Jew-haters: We support Serbia because the Serbs did not murder Jews in the holocaust and the Serbs did fight bravely against the German Nazis. Also the enemies of the Serbs are the enemies of the Jews - the Croats, Albanians and Bosnians were always Nazi Jew-haters and they murdered 90,000 Yugoslav Jews during the holocaust. So we are pro-Serb. But we do not and will not support your Russian Jew-hating allies who have always sought to destroy the Jewish people and who to this day are doing everything possible to help Muslim Nazi Iran develop nuclear weapons. If you want our support, stop demanding that we support our Russian enemies even if they happen to be your allies.
What a sick generation we live in. This is what the plague of intermarriage does - it causes Jews to defend their Nazi murderers. But not on this forum.
Well said Chaim, I agree 100 %.
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**The USA will become one of the biggest and ugliest Jew hating nations.**
As for Russia, they have a horrid history of persecution and mass murdering of the Jewish people. Actually, G-d did start severely punishing them for quite a few decades with Communism.
They will turn on Israel in the future and G-d will take care of that. I am positive of that, 100%. Of course Chaim is correct..
HOWEVER:
Putin is not the leading perp in the Ukrainian FUBAR.
John McCain and his pals ARE. Thats what this topic is, correct?
John McCain, Nuland, Sen Murphy, Pierre Omidyar (Ebay founder), Soros et al.. All included in on the awful situation in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg
Nuland grilled in Ukraine by Rohrbacher for supporting Nazis in Ukraine: (She is a Jew also, KOO KOO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TpZa4OMFVk
John McCain with Svoboda Party member Oleh Tyanbok, below:
(http://reseauinternational.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/naziEtatProfond.jpg)
(http://mycatbirdseat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/McCain-with-neo-Nazi-Freedom-Svoboda-of-Tyagnibok..jpg)
USA Today Rieder: Pierre Omidyar's Ukrainian connection
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/rieder/2014/03/02/flap-over-omidyar-support-for-ukrainian-group/5948821/
It is AMERICA that put these Nazi bastards in charge of Ukraine.
Which is why Jews are making Aliyah TO Israel from Ukraine.
The US Govt is one of the most evil governments in the world now because of the Muslim Commie, BHO
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The Ukrainians and the Russians both massacred, raped and tortured millions of Jews for centuries. The Ukrainians and the Russians should kill each other as much as possible, beezrat Hashem (with G-d's help).
Any Jew who lives in Ukraine after all that they did is insane. Any Jew who defends the Ukrainian Nazi mass murdering pigs is self-hating. I am not interesting in debating your holocaust revisionism. Stay in Ukraine with the butchers of Babi Yar and the kozaks. Continue to intermarry with these jealous, drunken savages. But do not come on this Kahanist forum to whitewash their Nazi crimes.
A message to our Serb members who are always trying to come here to defend the Russian Jew-haters: We support Serbia because the Serbs did not murder Jews in the holocaust and the Serbs did fight bravely against the German Nazis. Also the enemies of the Serbs are the enemies of the Jews - the Croats, Albanians and Bosnians were always Nazi Jew-haters and they murdered 90,000 Yugoslav Jews during the holocaust. So we are pro-Serb. But we do not and will not support your Russian Jew-hating allies who have always sought to destroy the Jewish people and who to this day are doing everything possible to help Muslim Nazi Iran develop nuclear weapons. If you want our support, stop demanding that we support our Russian enemies even if they happen to be your allies.
What a sick generation we live in. This is what the plague of intermarriage does - it causes Jews to defend their Nazi murderers. But not on this forum.
I refuse to intermarry, because I do not want to have the possibility of non-Jewish children. I have dealt with anti-semitism before, infrequently, but it has indeed happened. I don't defend Ukrainian Nazis, in fact I condemn them, it's just that I don't like it how some spread Russian propaganda that they're going to come in and save us Jews. That will just make it worse for us. Ukrainian Jews are just trying to survive without drawing attention to ourselves and if the Russians actually send their troops into here, things will get a lot worse. Russophobic sentiment will skyrocket- and this will cause a truly nazi government, which will target us as well. Meanwhile I was also vocally critical of America's intervention in Ukraine because of its effect on Ukrainian Jews. However, I have defended America far more than anyone else in Ukraine. Ukrainian Nazis hate America as much as they hate Russia, and some idiots who even aren't nazis, including some Jews, think the American government = America. I'm just really hoping and praying that there is no more foreign intervention in Ukraine because it will only hurt my fellow Jews. One day I do plan to move to Israel, maybe when I can some family, but now I don't have the means. I'm just trying to make the best living here while I still have to.
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**The USA will become one of the biggest and ugliest Jew hating nations.**
As for Russia, they have a horrid history of persecution and mass murdering of the Jewish people. Actually, G-d did start severely punishing them for quite a few decades with Communism.
They will turn on Israel in the future and G-d will take care of that. I am positive of that, 100%. Of course Chaim is correct..
HOWEVER:
Putin is not the leading perp in the Ukrainian FUBAR.
John McCain and his pals ARE. Thats what this topic is, correct?
John McCain, Nuland, Sen Murphy, Pierre Omidyar (Ebay founder), Soros et al.. All included in on the awful situation in Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg
Nuland grilled in Ukraine by Rohrbacher for supporting Nazis in Ukraine: (She is a Jew also, KOO KOO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TpZa4OMFVk
John McCain with Svoboda Party member Oleh Tyanbok, below:
(http://reseauinternational.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/naziEtatProfond.jpg)
(http://mycatbirdseat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/McCain-with-neo-Nazi-Freedom-Svoboda-of-Tyagnibok..jpg)
USA Today Rieder: Pierre Omidyar's Ukrainian connection
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/rieder/2014/03/02/flap-over-omidyar-support-for-ukrainian-group/5948821/
It is AMERICA that put these Nazi bastards in charge of Ukraine.
Which is why Jews are making Aliyah TO Israel from Ukraine.
The US Govt is one of the most evil governments in the world now because of the Muslim Commie, BHO
You are right, and I was furious when I saw the pictures of John McCain with Tyahnybok- I don't know if he's actually evil, or he's just an idiot. However, I disagree about America being worse than Putin. The truth is that Putin is threatening the stability of the country- which is keeping most Jews, especially the Chassids who live in traditional communities in the west of the country, safe, for now. If Russia actually sends troops into Ukraine to aid the separatists, God only knows what kind of new nazi abomination will arise, with men possibly worse than Tyahnybok taking power. Putin is hurting Ukrainian Jews just as much as Tyahnybok.
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Last time the Eurocommunists made the german nazi to invade the russia. Then after they isolated and crushed the Serbs with the active help of Albanian muslo-nazis. Now they are pushing the Ukrainnazi against russonazi to teach them a lesson of their life.
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The Ukrainians and the Russians both massacred, raped and tortured millions of Jews for centuries. The Ukrainians and the Russians should kill each other as much as possible, beezrat Hashem (with G-d's help).
Any Jew who lives in Ukraine after all that they did is insane. Any Jew who defends the Ukrainian Nazi mass murdering pigs is self-hating. I am not interesting in debating your holocaust revisionism. Stay in Ukraine with the butchers of Babi Yar and the kozaks. Continue to intermarry with these jealous, drunken savages. But do not come on this Kahanist forum to whitewash their Nazi crimes.
A message to our Serb members who are always trying to come here to defend the Russian Jew-haters: We support Serbia because the Serbs did not murder Jews in the holocaust and the Serbs did fight bravely against the German Nazis. Also the enemies of the Serbs are the enemies of the Jews - the Croats, Albanians and Bosnians were always Nazi Jew-haters and they murdered 90,000 Yugoslav Jews during the holocaust. So we are pro-Serb. But we do not and will not support your Russian Jew-hating allies who have always sought to destroy the Jewish people and who to this day are doing everything possible to help Muslim Nazi Iran develop nuclear weapons. If you want our support, stop demanding that we support our Russian enemies even if they happen to be your allies.
What a sick generation we live in. This is what the plague of intermarriage does - it causes Jews to defend their Nazi murderers. But not on this forum.
Not to defend antisemites, but Russian 'Orthodox Christianity' was largely co-opted after Czar Alexis in 1666, and after that any Old Believer dissenters were persecuted for holding to original and uncorrupted Christian Faith, tens of thousands of them every decade for over 300 years. After this time, were Jews also persecuted, with anyone else who didn't tow the line, by the official 'spiritual' arm of the Russian State.
I am an 'Old Believer' Orthodox in sympathies, so I have no reason to defend these G-d hating antisemite masses, these brutish lumpen people who so easily revert to heathendom. eventually they will all except a few perhaps, turn to Islam or the like. Anybody seen the Moslems infesting Moscow in recent years?
And as Ive said before, I am of Jewish ancestry on my mother's side, I will not betray my blood, my people Israel, far from it. Sparks will be redeemed, and all who fear G-d should in time return to Israel, I believe.
All I am saying ultimately is that distinctions should be made; I am an Orthodox Christian, myself, and love Israel and the Jewish people of whom I have a blood kinship with. And I'm sure there are others like me out there too.
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Not to defend antisemites, but Russian 'Orthodox Christianity' was largely co-opted after Czar Alexis in 1666, and after that any Old Believer dissenters were persecuted for holding to original and uncorrupted Christian Faith, tens of thousands of them every decade for over 300 years. After this time, were Jews also persecuted, with anyone else who didn't tow the line, by the official 'spiritual' arm of the Russian State.
I am an 'Old Believer' Orthodox in sympathies, so I have no reason to defend these G-d hating antisemite masses, these brutish lumpen people who so easily revert to heathendom. eventually they will all except a few perhaps, turn to Islam or the like. Anybody seen the Moslems infesting Moscow in recent years?
And as Ive said before, I am of Jewish ancestry on my mother's side, I will not betray my blood, my people Israel, far from it. Sparks will be redeemed, and all who fear G-d should in time return to Israel, I believe.
All I am saying ultimately is that distinctions should be made; I am an Orthodox Christian, myself, and love Israel and the Jewish people of whom I have a blood kinship with. And I'm sure there are others like me out there too.
Jewish ancestry? Is your maternal grandmother Jewish?
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Last time the Eurocommunists made the german nazi to invade the russia. Then after they isolated and crushed the Serbs with the active help of Albanian muslo-nazis. Now they are pushing the Ukrainnazi against russonazi to teach them a lesson of their life.
And the victims, as usual, will be the Jews used as chess pieces.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-15/kiev-says-troops-destroyed-russian-vehicle-inside-ukraine/5674778
Ukraine crisis: Kiev says troops destroyed Russian vehicle, border officials begin inspection of aid convoy from Moscow
Ukraine says its forces have attacked and partly destroyed a Russian armoured column that entered Ukrainian territory, a firefight which if confirmed would mark a dramatic worsening of the conflict.
Russia's government denied its forces had crossed into Ukraine, and accused Kiev of trying to sabotage deliveries of aid, but European capitals accused the Kremlin of escalating the fighting.
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Even evil BBC is saying : Neo-Nazi threat in new Ukraine: NEWSNIGHT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY)
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Nazis Glorified in Ukraine: SS uniforms on display at reburial service for Ukrainian WWII veterans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Z0incwC2w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Z0incwC2w)
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I refuse to intermarry, because I do not want to have the possibility of non-Jewish children. I have dealt with anti-semitism before, infrequently, but it has indeed happened. I don't defend Ukrainian Nazis, in fact I condemn them, it's just that I don't like it how some spread Russian propaganda that they're going to come in and save us Jews. That will just make it worse for us. Ukrainian Jews are just trying to survive without drawing attention to ourselves and if the Russians actually send their troops into here, things will get a lot worse. Russophobic sentiment will skyrocket- and this will cause a truly nazi government, which will target us as well. Meanwhile I was also vocally critical of America's intervention in Ukraine because of its effect on Ukrainian Jews. However, I have defended America far more than anyone else in Ukraine. Ukrainian Nazis hate America as much as they hate Russia, and some idiots who even aren't nazis, including some Jews, think the American government = America. I'm just really hoping and praying that there is no more foreign intervention in Ukraine because it will only hurt my fellow Jews. One day I do plan to move to Israel, maybe when I can some family, but now I don't have the means. I'm just trying to make the best living here while I still have to.
Chaim is right about the whole thing..
But, sorry UJ: G'd bless you.. I believe OBAMA is the most evil leader alive.
Tyanabok is a Nazi.
The people in charge now are Nazis & or fascists.
Russia is not responsible for this EU/US Govt lead mess.
HOWEVER: I do understand why you would hate and disrespect the Russians. They have been very evil to our people.
Im not giving anyone a pass...
BUT: John McCain is supposed to be an ARIZONA senator, he is not supposed to be going to Ukraine.
I DO pray and feel HORRIBLE for what the US Govt has done in Ukraine.
Terribly. I AM so sorry for what has happened there to the people of Ukraine.
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US support of violent neo-Nazis in Ukraine: Video Compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-RyOaFwcEw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-RyOaFwcEw)
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US support of violent neo-Nazis in Ukraine: Video Compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-RyOaFwcEw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-RyOaFwcEw)
Its so sick and sad, S. Serbian, but it IS the US Govt that did all of this.
I AM sorry also for what they did to the Serbians.
:'(
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Not to defend antisemites, but Russian 'Orthodox Christianity' was largely co-opted after Czar Alexis in 1666, and after that any Old Believer dissenters were persecuted for holding to original and uncorrupted Christian Faith, tens of thousands of them every decade for over 300 years. After this time, were Jews also persecuted, with anyone else who didn't tow the line, by the official 'spiritual' arm of the Russian State.
I am an 'Old Believer' Orthodox in sympathies, so I have no reason to defend these G-d hating antisemite masses, these brutish lumpen people who so easily revert to heathendom. eventually they will all except a few perhaps, turn to Islam or the like. Anybody seen the Moslems infesting Moscow in recent years?
And as Ive said before, I am of Jewish ancestry on my mother's side, I will not betray my blood, my people Israel, far from it. Sparks will be redeemed, and all who fear G-d should in time return to Israel, I believe.
All I am saying ultimately is that distinctions should be made; I am an Orthodox Christian, myself, and love Israel and the Jewish people of whom I have a blood kinship with. And I'm sure there are others like me out there too.
He's right many old believers fled to Alaska and some later to Idaho because they were persecuted
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Its so sick and sad, S. Serbian, but it IS the US Govt that did all of this.
I AM sorry also for what they did to the Serbians.
:'(
Thanks, AsheDina, you are good person! I know that US Government is to blame, NOT entire US population, that is clear. US Govt is damaging Israel too, and US citizens too.
In Serbia, unfortunatelly, we have now self-hating government in power too, that is working against it's own nation and county.
Serbs and Jews share very similar destiny, and have same enemies. So I think Serbs and Jews have to be closest allies, and true friends!
Best wishes to you!
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Jewish ancestry? Is your maternal grandmother Jewish?
Yes, it seems so. My mother's side of the family is 1/2 Jewish, my maternal grandmother and her husband both converted to Papism and later then their children married into an ethnic French immigrant family (possibly crypto-jewish themselves, three brothers of one family married three sisters of the other), so i'm at least one-quarter Jewish in ethnicity. There is much more family research to be done, but it's certain that there is Jewish ancestry in my family tree in a not inconsiderable amount, enough to be killed im sure by some.
Yesterday when I posted, I wanted to point out that yesterday by a strange 'coincidence' was the feast-day of the Holy Macabees in the Orthodox Christian calendar. It occured to me that a faith that holds up holy Jewish Martyrs and Nationalists as Saints for being Jewish Nationalists cannot be said to be anti-semitic, no real Orthodox Christian could be.
Again, my bottom line is the necessity of the survival of the Jewish people and the survival of their rightful Jewish Nation, in Israel, promised them by G-d. All else is commentary.
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Chaim is right about the whole thing..
But, sorry UJ: G'd bless you.. I believe OBAMA is the most evil leader alive.
Tyanabok is a Nazi.
The people in charge now are Nazis & or fascists.
Russia is not responsible for this EU/US Govt lead mess.
HOWEVER: I do understand why you would hate and disrespect the Russians. They have been very evil to our people.
Im not giving anyone a pass...
BUT: John McCain is supposed to be an ARIZONA senator, he is not supposed to be going to Ukraine.
I DO pray and feel HORRIBLE for what the US Govt has done in Ukraine.
Terribly. I AM so sorry for what has happened there to the people of Ukraine.
Thanks for understanding. If only Russia and the US wouldn't interfere in the mess, it would be better for the Jews and better for the Ukrainians. Tyahnybok received 1% of the vote for president, and the commie pig Dobkin got 3%. Meanwhile the new president Poroshenko is not that great as he's known as the shokoladny korol/"chocolate king" and represents corporate greed rather than the people, but at least the nazi threat is gone for now.
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Here in Good Ole America we have our own 'Chocolate King' and his name is Obama..
(http://cdn.cakecentral.com/9/9a/900x900px-LL-9a3b3649_modulescopperminealbumsuserpics11471Chocolate_King_Kong.jpeg)
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Here in Good Ole America we have our own 'Chocolate King' and his name is Obama..
LOL! Probably milk chocolate.
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He's right many old believers fled to Alaska and some later to Idaho because they were persecuted
Thank you for pointing that out. I'm not saying that there weren't problems between the Russians and the Jews prior to 1666, but nonetheless, it wasn't until the attempts to westernize and become an Imperial power just like those in the west that things got really really terrible for many people in the Russian Empire, especially the Jews and Old Believer Orthodox Christians, without going into the revival of Serfdom as Russia modernized for example.
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Thank you for pointing that out. I'm not saying that there weren't problems between the Russians and the Jews prior to 1666, but nonetheless, it wasn't until the attempts to westernize and become an Imperial power just like those in the west that things got really really terrible for many people in the Russian Empire, especially the Jews and Old Believer Orthodox Christians, without going into the revival of Serfdom as Russia modernized for example.
I found this on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaevsk,_Alaska
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razdolna,_Alaska
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voznesenka,_Alaska
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בס''ד
The Ukrainians and the Russians both massacred, raped and tortured millions of Jews for centuries. The Ukrainians and the Russians should kill each other as much as possible, beezrat Hashem (with G-d's help).
Any Jew who lives in Ukraine after all that they did is insane. Any Jew who defends the Ukrainian Nazi mass murdering pigs is self-hating. I am not interesting in debating your holocaust revisionism. Stay in Ukraine with the butchers of Babi Yar and the kozaks. Continue to intermarry with these jealous, drunken savages. But do not come on this Kahanist forum to whitewash their Nazi crimes.
A message to our Serb members who are always trying to come here to defend the Russian Jew-haters: We support Serbia because the Serbs did not murder Jews in the holocaust and the Serbs did fight bravely against the German Nazis. Also the enemies of the Serbs are the enemies of the Jews - the Croats, Albanians and Bosnians were always Nazi Jew-haters and they murdered 90,000 Yugoslav Jews during the holocaust. So we are pro-Serb. But we do not and will not support your Russian Jew-hating allies who have always sought to destroy the Jewish people and who to this day are doing everything possible to help Muslim Nazi Iran develop nuclear weapons. If you want our support, stop demanding that we support our Russian enemies even if they happen to be your allies.
What a sick generation we live in. This is what the plague of intermarriage does - it causes Jews to defend their Nazi murderers. But not on this forum.
As always Chaim speaks basic common sense.
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It is funny but I agree on most what is written here. People here speak the truth, but they also look at recent events from different perspectives which is just great. There are many forms of Serbian nationalism but I will tell you one thing 99% are SLAVIC NATIONALISTS. That means that for some reason all Slavs are welcomed in Serbia with an exception to Croatians (not all are welcomed). :dance:
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It is funny but I agree on most what is written here. People here speak the truth, but they also look at recent events from different perspectives which is just great. There are many forms of Serbian nationalism but I will tell you one thing 99% are SLAVIC NATIONALISTS. That means that for some reason all Slavs are welcomed in Serbia with an exception to Croatians (not all are welcomed). :dance:
And I agree with the last part completely. Croatian nationalists need to stop their glorification of the Ustaša, their hatred of everything Serb, their alliance with Islamists, their hatred of Jews, and their falsification of history.
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Being a Jew, should I be 100% Semite Nationalist, since all Jews are Semites? But then so are all Arabs.. I don't understand why Serbians would try to merge their culture into such a broad ethnic group as Slavs.. I deeply respect Serbians, but have little respect for Poles, Ukrainians or Russians. As Chaim has spoken, all three groups of people have oppressed their Jewish subjects for over 1000 years, since the Jews settled in the "Pale of Settlement". Slavs are a very broad ethnic group, representing many so many different European nations, including Czechs, Bulgarians, Slovaks, etc who were all on much better term with the Jews of their society. King Boris was considered by many Jewish people a hero, as he did save the lives of many of his Jewish citizens during the Holocaust. Despite being criticized for not attempting to save Jews of other nationalities, that is quite a noble feat to go out of his way and risk his own safety to save his Bulgarian Jewish citizens.
Anyhow, I respect Serbs, not because of their Slavic origin. The same reason I don't want people respecting Jews because we are Semites. If anything, Semites have proven to be our worst of enemies despite sharing some similarities in language, culture, etc.
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Fresh crimes of ukrainian nazis, new footage from yesterday, 18 +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAK2HcOTucc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAK2HcOTucc)
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It is funny but I agree on most what is written here. People here speak the truth, but they also look at recent events from different perspectives which is just great. There are many forms of Serbian nationalism but I will tell you one thing 99% are SLAVIC NATIONALISTS. That means that for some reason all Slavs are welcomed in Serbia with an exception to Croatians (not all are welcomed). :dance:
If there is one place in Europe i feeled welcome it was Serbia and Republika Srpska in Bosnia!
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Ukraine crisis: Rebel leader says Russian arms on way
A rebel leader in eastern Ukraine has said a convoy of military hardware is on its way to the region from Russia.
Alexander Zakharchenko, self-proclaimed PM of the Donetsk rebel area, said on Friday 150 vehicles and 1,200 personnel were approaching their border.
Russia has denied claims by Ukraine and Western reporters that military aid to the rebels is crossing over.
Meanwhile a controversial humanitarian aid convoy from Russia is stalled on the Russian side of the border.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28817347
Both seem to be getting on to a heavy collision course.
EU will be happy and muslamics will be the ultimate beneficiary.
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If there is one place in Europe i feeled welcome it was Serbia and Republika Srpska in Bosnia!
Glad to hear that. I hope that you travel there many times in future. I will be in your country soon but only at airport.
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Being a Jew, should I be 100% Semite Nationalist, since all Jews are Semites? But then so are all Arabs.. I don't understand why Serbians would try to merge their culture into such a broad ethnic group as Slavs.. I deeply respect Serbians, but have little respect for Poles, Ukrainians or Russians. As Chaim has spoken, all three groups of people have oppressed their Jewish subjects for over 1000 years, since the Jews settled in the "Pale of Settlement". Slavs are a very broad ethnic group, representing many so many different European nations, including Czechs, Bulgarians, Slovaks, etc who were all on much better term with the Jews of their society. King Boris was considered by many Jewish people a hero, as he did save the lives of many of his Jewish citizens during the Holocaust. Despite being criticized for not attempting to save Jews of other nationalities, that is quite a noble feat to go out of his way and risk his own safety to save his Bulgarian Jewish citizens.
Anyhow, I respect Serbs, not because of their Slavic origin. The same reason I don't want people respecting Jews because we are Semites. If anything, Semites have proven to be our worst of enemies despite sharing some similarities in language, culture, etc.
I have a great respect for Poles, Russians and Ukrainians. I also love Slovaks, Bulgarians (there was one here that I really disliked), and Czechs too. In Poland there were thriving cities almost entirely settled by Jews. Not sure why there is so much hate expressed towards the Slavs here? All western Europeans permanently expelled the Jews,with exception to Dutch, and who accepted millions of Jews to their countries? Slavs! And today most of these Jews are Slavs if we look at genetics. Some come here and express hate towards their own people. I mean if your family lived in Belarus or Poland for 1000 years it is the fact that you are at least 95% Slav and your faith is Judaism.
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I have a great respect for Poles, Russians and Ukrainians. I also love Slovaks, Bulgarians (there was one here that I really disliked), and Czechs too. In Poland there were thriving cities almost entirely settled by Jews. Not sure why there is so much hate expressed towards the Slavs here? All western Europeans permanently expelled the Jews,with exception to Dutch, and who accepted millions of Jews to their countries? Slavs! And today most of these Jews are Slavs if we look at genetics. Some come here and express hate towards their own people. I mean if your family lived in Belarus or Poland for 1000 years it is the fact that you are at least 95% Slav and your faith is Judaism.
Exactly. It's no secret that many Jews have Slavic DNA, and adopt many of their traditions. Look at Yiddish, where the syntax is mostly Slavic! How can anyone deny it? Also the painting of every single country in eastern Europe as "nazi" really annoys me, as it includes people who support Israel.
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I have a great respect for Poles, Russians and Ukrainians. I also love Slovaks, Bulgarians (there was one here that I really disliked), and Czechs too. In Poland there were thriving cities almost entirely settled by Jews. Not sure why there is so much hate expressed towards the Slavs here? All western Europeans permanently expelled the Jews,with exception to Dutch, and who accepted millions of Jews to their countries? Slavs! And today most of these Jews are Slavs if we look at genetics. Some come here and express hate towards their own people. I mean if your family lived in Belarus or Poland for 1000 years it is the fact that you are at least 95% Slav and your faith is Judaism.
I categorically don't agree with a premise that Jews 95% Slavs, no matter rapes and pogroms. If you look at 95% of Jews from Russian, Ukraine, Poland, Serbia, Hungary, etc. have clear Semitic facial traits. Alhough, I am sure, most of us did meet Jews that look exactly like Russians or Ukrainians or Bolgarian.
I agree with your 2nd premise. Jews were treated way better in Slavic countries, up-to the age of enlightenment than in Western Europe. There were no inquisitions, mass expulsions, etc. That is with except of Russia (where no Jews were allowed until they conquered Poland). Also, Chmelnitsky genocide of Jews, partially for their unequivocal support of Poland who provded Jews with respite and safe heaven. This is a fact - European Jewry was saved by Poland and by Holland. I think king Kazimir of Poland welcomed Jews when we were expelled from France, England, when Rhein was red of Jewish blood. Notice that Jews in Germany, of all places, look more like Germans and a lot of Germans, look quite Semitic. This excerpt from Wikipedia is mostly correct:
"From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 through to the early years of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe.[6] Known as paradisus Iudaeorum (Latin for "Paradise for the Jews"), it became a shelter for persecuted and expelled European Jewish communities and the home to the world's largest Jewish community of the time. According to some sources, about three-quarters of all Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century.[7][8][9] With the weakening of the Commonwealth and growing religious strife (due to the Protestant Reformation and Catholic Counter-Reformation), Poland’s traditional tolerance[10] began to wane from the 17th century onward.[11] After the partitions of Poland in 1795 and the destruction of Poland as a sovereign state, Polish Jews were subject to the laws of the partitioning powers, the increasingly antisemitic Russian Empire,[12] as well as Austro-Hungary and Kingdom of Prussia (later a part of the German Empire). Still, as Poland regained independence in the aftermath of World War I, it was the center of the European Jewish world with one of world's largest Jewish communities of over 3 million. Antisemitism, however, from both the political establishment and from the general population, common throughout Europe, was a growing problem.[13]"
http://www.jewishhistory.org/the-jews-come-to-poland/
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I have a great respect for ...............Bulgarians...
My brother, I can tell that you are not from the south of Serbia, otherwise you wouldn't have such respect for Bulgarians. They are exactly ''ustashe'' of the southeast. Bulgarians being Slavs or Orthodox Christians means nothing. They are bloodthirsty animals who boiled Serbs in hot water, roasted them and impaled Serbian babies on bayonets in both world wars, as allies of the Germans. Bulgarians are always german allies cause they don't have their own dinasty, their dinasty is of german origin, and second reason is they are evil and jealous.
Good oppinion of them I have heard only from western or northern Serbs whose families were never occupied by those animals.
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Glad to hear that. I hope that you travel there many times in future. I will be in your country soon but only at airport.
Holland? I don't live there anymore but yes its still my country lol. I will visit Serbia again this year for sure. Nis is on my list now.
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If there is one place in Europe i feeled welcome it was Serbia and Republika Srpska in Bosnia!
Did you go to Banja Luka? I hear that it's a beautiful city.
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Did you go to Banja Luka? I hear that it's a beautiful city.
I was almost married to a women in Banja Luka thank God i didn't happen haha. Banja Luka is fantastic believe me! Fly to Belgrade or Zagreb and catch the bus for a few euro's and you are there. It's actually the best place ive ever been in my life.
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I was almost married to a women in Banja Luka thank God i didn't happen haha. Banja Luka is fantastic believe me! Fly to Belgrade or Zagreb and catch the bus for a few euro's and you are there. It's actually the best place ive ever been in my life.
Well from what I see on Wikipedia, the climate is much better than here in L'viv :(
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I have a great respect for Poles, Russians and Ukrainians. I also love Slovaks, Bulgarians (there was one here that I really disliked), and Czechs too. In Poland there were thriving cities almost entirely settled by Jews. Not sure why there is so much hate expressed towards the Slavs here? All western Europeans permanently expelled the Jews,with exception to Dutch, and who accepted millions of Jews to their countries? Slavs! And today most of these Jews are Slavs if we look at genetics. Some come here and express hate towards their own people. I mean if your family lived in Belarus or Poland for 1000 years it is the fact that you are at least 95% Slav and your faith is Judaism.
I am 95% Slav?? Sorry , I disagree with you! I am expressing hate for Slavs?? How could you say that.. I am talking about the history and oppression that Jews faced living in Eastern Europe for 1000+ years. Jews also have very distinct features compared to the Slavs of the land where they resided. As a matter of fact, the distinct feature of Semites made it much easier for the Nazis to identify Jews in Poland compared to Jews who lived in France or Italy, where the darker complected and more Middle Eastern features of the population actually much more closer resembled that of the Jewish population. Genetic testing also proves that Jewish population has genes that much more closer resemble people of the Middle East than people of Eastern Europe.
Whatever Slavic genes I may have were not achieved through any righteous means, but rather through rape, which was extremely common during pogroms. For example, Cossack soldiers would come ransack villages and gang rape helpless Jewish girls. Many would get pregnant and would give birth to these bastardized children who would then be raised as Jewish. They say a quite a number of Jewish women living in the villages faced rapes.
Welcomed us with open arms? You should study the history a bit more before you make such a blind statement. Yeah, Jews were pushed around and forced to go from place to place. However, we were not welcomed with open arms. We lived in starving villages and many times by order of Czar or other leaders were forced to leave our homes at a short moment's notice. They would come and burn our villages down. We were not allowed to live in their cities, could not hold jobs or have an education. This is what you call being welcomed? THe Jews In Turkey practically lived better than the Jews did in Russia. In Russia, Jews were starving and poor.
I have my great grandfather Efraim's entire life story translated from Yiddish to English on audio where he describes his life growing up in the shtetl of Shchedrin , Belarus. The Czar would draft the Jewish peasants into his army to be on the front lines of battles and would use them like cannon fodder. Jews were considered subhuman and inferior to any Russian gentile. Essentially, Jewish life was cheap and worthless.
ANyhow, take a history lesson in Jewish history. Those wonderful POles also worked side by side with nazis to help round up their Jewish citizens and have them shipped off to death camps. If it was not for the zealousness of many Poles to aid the nazis, many more Jews could have survived the Holocaust in Poland, but instead all of Poland's Jewry was wiped out, except a small remnant.
Anyhow, I respect Serbians, but somehow you seem to be wanting to instigate some type of confrontation. As well, you want us to respect Slavs as one people, as if we Jews fighting or being against Russia makes us enemies of the Slavs. Slavs also helped massacre their fellow Slavs in death camps, such as the Croats. So, obviously , you cannot say all Slavs are honorable people. What hte Russians , Ukrainians and Poles did to the Jews over the years was disgraceful. If you cannot face the fact, well, I am sorry about that.
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Good post. Chaim, do you want to chime in again?
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Bump.
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If Nazi Poland was such a great place for Jews for centuries then why was The Jewish population dirt poor & thrown into ghettos. Then murdered in death camps by the Polish Nazis?
Rivers of Jewish blood pour from Poland & for you to defend them is sick.
The people in this thread is defending countries based on how many pogroms each Euro nation committed. They are all evil Jew haters, the Poles, Slovaks, Ukrainians , Russians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Croats, Brits, French, Germans, Norwegians etc.
They all hate Jews & no Jew should be living in Europe period. It's time to go home to Israel.
And btw it's not ment to be easy to live in Israel but you are commanded to live there.
You either follow G-d or you follow money & comfort.
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Boeing-777 was downed by Ukrainian MiG-29, Romanian expert says:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/13-08-2014/128268-boeing_crash_ukraine-0/
Now this is the conspiracy theory from Romania via pravda.
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Boeing-777 was downed by Ukrainian MiG-29, Romanian expert says:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/13-08-2014/128268-boeing_crash_ukraine-0/
Now this is the conspiracy theory from Romania via pravda.
This is kind of surprising, as Ukraine and Romania have not exactly been friends, but I'm guessing neither have Romania and Russia because Romania and Serbia hate each other and Serbia is friends with Russia.
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This is kind of surprising, as Ukraine and Romania have not exactly been friends, but I'm guessing neither have Romania and Russia because Romania and Serbia hate each other and Serbia is friends with Russia.
Sometimes in politics one and one do not make two.
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If Nazi Poland was such a great place for Jews for centuries then why was The Jewish population dirt poor & thrown into ghettos. Then murdered in death camps by the Polish Nazis?
Rivers of Jewish blood pour from Poland & for you to defend them is sick.
The people in this thread is defending countries based on how many pogroms each Euro nation committed. They are all evil Jew haters, the Poles, Slovaks, Ukrainians , Russians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Croats, Brits, French, Germans, Norwegians etc.
They all hate Jews & no Jew should be living in Europe period. It's time to go home to Israel.
And btw it's not ment to be easy to live in Israel but you are commanded to live there.
You either follow G-d or you follow money & comfort.
As I've said now about 4 times before, I do intend to move to Israel one day.
Yeah, let's have no allies whatsoever. Everyone and everything on the planet hates Jews, there are no righteous. They're all Nazi. I'm just curious, when did I defend Poles? In fact I criticized them for their chauvinism, I just said that historically not all of them are evil- many righteous gentiles in the Holocaust were Polish. At this rate you realize Ireland has to be included in the list of enemy nations, since so many people there support the "Palestinian" cause. And if you're Christian, then you're an enemy too since everything European is, according to you.
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Sometimes in politics one and one do not make two.
This can be seen no better than in my country, where the most extreme-right Russophobes joined those getting in front of tanks in order to stop the anti-terrorist operation in eastern Ukraine.
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This can be seen no better than in my country, where the most extreme-right Russophobes joined those getting in front of tanks in order to stop the anti-terrorist operation in eastern Ukraine.
But why it so happened ?
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But why it so happened ?
Because many of the soldiers are scared of Donbas, since it's the most densely-populated area in the country, and crawling with rebels.
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As I've said now about 4 times before, I do intend to move to Israel one day.
Yeah, let's have no allies whatsoever. Everyone and everything on the planet hates Jews, there are no righteous. They're all Nazi. I'm just curious, when did I defend Poles? In fact I criticized them for their chauvinism, I just said that historically not all of them are evil- many righteous gentiles in the Holocaust were Polish. At this rate you realize Ireland has to be included in the list of enemy nations, since so many people there support the "Palestinian" cause. And if you're Christian, then you're an enemy too since everything European is, according to you.
I never said everyone hates the Jews, just every nation in the world. Of course there is the righteous among nations.
Many Polish were righteous Gentiles during the holocaust? Your words not mine.
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This is kind of surprising, as Ukraine and Romania have not exactly been friends, but I'm guessing neither have Romania and Russia because Romania and Serbia hate each other and Serbia is friends with Russia.
not really...we love each other.. Romania did not recognize Kosovo.. We fought Ottomans together..never been in war..they refused German order to attack us in WWII..someone prove me wrong please.. Anyhow, we will continue this discussion..
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I categorically don't agree with a premise that Jews 95% Slavs, no matter rapes and pogroms. If you look at 95% of Jews from Russian, Ukraine, Poland, Serbia, Hungary, etc. have clear Semitic facial traits. Alhough, I am sure, most of us did meet Jews that look exactly like Russians or Ukrainians or Bolgarian.
I agree with your 2nd premise. Jews were treated way better in Slavic countries, up-to the age of enlightenment than in Western Europe. There were no inquisitions, mass expulsions, etc. That is with except of Russia (where no Jews were allowed until they conquered Poland). Also, Chmelnitsky genocide of Jews, partially for their unequivocal support of Poland who provded Jews with respite and safe heaven. This is a fact - European Jewry was saved by Poland and by Holland. I think king Kazimir of Poland welcomed Jews when we were expelled from France, England, when Rhein was red of Jewish blood. Notice that Jews in Germany, of all places, look more like Germans and a lot of Germans, look quite Semitic. This excerpt from Wikipedia is mostly correct:
"From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 through to the early years of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe.[6] Known as paradisus Iudaeorum (Latin for "Paradise for the Jews"), it became a shelter for persecuted and expelled European Jewish communities and the home to the world's largest Jewish community of the time. According to some sources, about three-quarters of all Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century.[7][8][9] With the weakening of the Commonwealth and growing religious strife (due to the Protestant Reformation and Catholic Counter-Reformation), Poland’s traditional tolerance[10] began to wane from the 17th century onward.[11] After the partitions of Poland in 1795 and the destruction of Poland as a sovereign state, Polish Jews were subject to the laws of the partitioning powers, the increasingly antisemitic Russian Empire,[12] as well as Austro-Hungary and Kingdom of Prussia (later a part of the German Empire). Still, as Poland regained independence in the aftermath of World War I, it was the center of the European Jewish world with one of world's largest Jewish communities of over 3 million. Antisemitism, however, from both the political establishment and from the general population, common throughout Europe, was a growing problem.[13]"
http://www.jewishhistory.org/the-jews-come-to-poland/
I agree with this but few members here want to spread hatred...not all is perfect for any minority anywhere.
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Holland? I don't live there anymore but yes its still my country lol. I will visit Serbia again this year for sure. Nis is on my list now.
dates? Would love to meet you!
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not really...we love each other.. Romania did not recognize Kosovo.. We fought Ottomans together..never been in war..they refused German order to attack us in WWII..someone prove me wrong please.. Anyhow, we will continue this discussion..
But I thought Romania was on Moldova's side. And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Serbs support their Slavic brothers in Transnistria just as Ukrainians (even the nationalists who are against friendship with Russia), and the Russians did. My worst fear is for the current conflict to result in violence in Transnistria which could then spill over into Western Ukraine, where I live.
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I agree with this but few members here want to spread hatred...not all is perfect for any minority anywhere.
Yes, some people believe that everything European is nazi and Jews should have no allies, which is against the policy of the forum, as it clearly indicates support for the Serbian people.
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Romanians are savages who butchered hundreds of thousands of Jews and partook in Babi Yar.
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not really...we love each other.. Romania did not recognize Kosovo.. We fought Ottomans together..never been in war..they refused German order to attack us in WWII..someone prove me wrong please.. Anyhow, we will continue this discussion..
Oh and speaking of Ottomans, Erdoğan is now furious because apparently Germany has been spying on the Turkish government! LOL
Nice job Germany.
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Supporting Nazi Romania, Nazi Poland & now Nazi Germany, the self hate here stinks.
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Supporting Nazi Romania, Nazi Poland & now Nazi Germany, the self hate here stinks.
I agree Irish Zionist, sometimes I just question what is going on this forum.. First I am told I am not a Jew by one of the members, but I am really a Slav.. I guess SerbianArmy , in fact, is siding with the Muslims claims, that we Jews are not Real Jews and don't belong in Israel, but instead belong in Russia.
Next I am told I am instigating hate against the wonderful people of Russia, Poland and Ukraine, who so kindly accepted us Jews into their land. Of course, if his argument of us being Slavs is true, why should we have had to be accepted, if we were Slavs all along? Both statements are complete Bullsh*t!
I guess we are suppose to erase 1000 + years of oppression and treated as subhumans by our Slavic Russian/Polish/Ukrainian hosts.
IMO, Russia is a plague that needs to be eradicated.. The Great Red Terror and nothing less.
Then, I am reading another thread here on JTF that has made me sick, where members are talking about how ugly JEwish people are.. I am sorry, is this a pro Jewish Kahanist forum? Am I missing something here?
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EJA44, you know I like your posts, but I haven't seen quite what you have seen. What thread are you talking about where people are saying Jews are ugly? The one where a Jewish girl married the Fakestinian?
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Supporting Nazi Romania, Nazi Poland & now Nazi Germany, the self hate here stinks.
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EJA44, you know I like your posts, but I haven't seen quite what you have seen. What thread are you talking about where people are saying Jews are ugly? The one where a Jewish girl married the Fakestinian?
ChaimFan, I cannot find the thread now and maybe it was deleted. Some people here were posting pics of ugly Jews and saying how Jews are ugly, etc , etc. It just reallly [censored] me the F--- off.. There was some pic of some older JEwish guy, who was a liberal and somebody was mouthing off and how ugly he is and how Jews are ugly, etc.
Hopefully the thread was deleted , hence why I cannot find it..
Yeah, I am also sick of people insulting the looks of Jewish women who marry Muslims, saying they are ugly Jewesses , hence why they marry a Muslim. I know a lot of non-attractive Orthodox Jewish women who are devoted Jews and still have no problem finding a Jewish man, obviously not as attractive, to marry.
Anyhow , the worst post I seen here is where people on a Kahanist Jewish forum condemn us for insulting Russia or Ukrainians. Then they have the nerve to say we are not really Jews, but we are Slavs, like Serbian Army posted here. Why he is allowed to post that crap on this forum is beyond me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, I just think anyone who says Jews are fake Jews should be immediately thrown off the forum. I have enough Arabs and other haters who go around calling me a Kazar or Russian and saying I am not a real Jew. I don't need to start battling with non-Jewish JTF members who go around doing the same, claiming Jews are not really Jews.. Let them spread that BS on a StørmFrønt forum.
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Supporting Nazi Romania, Nazi Poland & now Nazi Germany, the self hate here stinks.
Okay, first of all, there are some good people in Germany (many Jews and righteous gentiles), the forum members have made it very clear that the Pro-Köln Movement is a righteous cause, and I was only stating that I thought it was good how they made Islamic Turkey angry. I never supported Poland either, in fact I stated numerous times that I'm highly offended by their chauvinistic attitude- mostly towards Jews. Not once did I make a post in support of Romania. And how the hell is someone who's not even Jewish going to decide whether or not a Jew is self-hating? Am I missing something here?
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ChaimFan, I cannot find the thread now and maybe it was deleted. Some people here were posting pics of ugly Jews and saying how Jews are ugly, etc , etc. It just reallly [censored] me the F--- off.. There was some pic of some older JEwish guy, who was a liberal and somebody was mouthing off and how ugly he is and how Jews are ugly, etc.
Hopefully the thread was deleted , hence why I cannot find it..
Yeah, I am also sick of people insulting the looks of Jewish women who marry Muslims, saying they are ugly Jewesses , hence why they marry a Muslim. I know a lot of non-attractive Orthodox Jewish women who are devoted Jews and still have no problem finding a Jewish man, obviously not as attractive, to marry.
Anyhow , the worst post I seen here is where people on a Kahanist Jewish forum condemn us for insulting Russia or Ukrainians. Then they have the nerve to say we are not really Jews, but we are Slavs, like Serbian Army posted here. Why he is allowed to post that crap on this forum is beyond me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, I just think anyone who says Jews are fake Jews should be immediately thrown off the forum. I have enough Arabs and other haters who go around calling me a Kazar or Russian and saying I am not a real Jew. I don't need to start battling with non-Jewish JTF members who go around doing the same, claiming Jews are not really Jews.. Let them spread that BS on a StørmFrønt forum.
I didn't see the "you are Slavs, not Jews" post. Could you link it to me?
I don't think that the appearance of people should be blindly insulted, but at the same time, I too notice that evil Jews tend to look like lighter-skinned Arabs. Call it a curse, call it what you will.
Of course Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Romania, etc. are ALL Nazi nations and all will rot in hell!
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Okay, first of all, there are some good people in Germany (many Jews and righteous gentiles), the forum members have made it very clear that the Pro-Köln Movement is a righteous cause, and I was only stating that I thought it was good how they made Islamic Turkey angry. I never supported Poland either, in fact I stated numerous times that I'm highly offended by their chauvinistic attitude- mostly towards Jews. Not once did I make a post in support of Romania. And how the hell is someone who's not even Jewish going to decide whether or not a Jew is self-hating? Am I missing something here?
I can see what you are saying. .. If America was judged by its recent leaders, we would all would be considered anti semites...
But I promise you, we are all not anti Jew!
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I didn't see the "you are Slavs, not Jews" post. Could you link it to me?
I don't think that the appearance of people should be blindly insulted, but at the same time, I too notice that evil Jews tend to look like lighter-skinned Arabs. Call it a curse, call it what you will.
Of course Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Romania, etc. are ALL Nazi nations and all will rot in hell!
It is in this very thread, it was posted by Serbian Army.. Seriously, the guy is claiming we Jews are not really Jews (therefore we are liars) and says we are 95% Slav.. This statement really irritated me and I don't even know why he is allowed to stay on the forum posting these lies and Bullsh*T. Not to mention how he condemned me for insulting and expressing hate for those noble Poles, Russians and Ukrainians. Heap coals on the fire he already ignited.
I have a great respect for Poles, Russians and Ukrainians. I also love Slovaks, Bulgarians (there was one here that I really disliked), and Czechs too. In Poland there were thriving cities almost entirely settled by Jews. Not sure why there is so much hate expressed towards the Slavs here? All western Europeans permanently expelled the Jews,with exception to Dutch, and who accepted millions of Jews to their countries? Slavs! And today most of these Jews are Slavs if we look at genetics. Some come here and express hate towards their own people. I mean if your family lived in Belarus or Poland for 1000 years it is the fact that you are at least 95% Slav and your faith is Judaism.
read Reply #83 on this thread, I just quoted it.
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,77667.75.html
Using his logic, we Jews are not really Jews. I guess since my family were prisoners in Belarus (and eventually wiped out), I am a Belorussian or Slav. I guess Yemenite Jews are truly Yemeni Arabs and Moroccan Jews are truly Berbers and Spanish Jews are really Spaniards. I am sick of these lies accusing of Jews of being impostors and not real Jews. This guy doesn't know anything about Jewish people who lived as second class people in the Eastern European Pale of Settlement. And like the gypsies, we are in no way related to the people who were our hosts, but were sojourners and wandered from place to place, being hated and unaccepted by the hosts of our country. Any similar facial features or genes we share was through rape, not through intermingling or conversion to Judaism, which was practically unheard throughout most of history in that region.
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And you better not be d!cking around, and trying to start division on the forum. ..
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And you better not be d!cking around, and trying to start division on the forum. ..
Are you talking to me?? Considering that these idiot goyim wrote that we Jews are insulting the great and noble Poles, Russians and Ukrainains and then claiming we Jews are Slavs, not really Jews, I really think somebody needs to set their foot down and speak against this.. This is Kahanist Forum I thought.
I could give a f**K less about making division here.. Better to have division than have goyim spread their BS Anti-SEmitic crap on this forum.
I was pretty quick to defend Christian people, when Jewish members outright started talking down on Christianity. However, I will be much more bold and much faster to defend Jewish people against Anti-Semitism and Jew-Hatred, especially on a Jewish forum.
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EJ44s that is not what he meant....
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EJ44s that is not what he meant....
WHat did he mean, by I am 95% Slav and that I am spreading hate against Ukrainian, Russians and Poles?!
Go ahead and explain to me?
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Are you talking to me?? Considering that these idiot goyim wrote that we Jews are insulting the great and noble Poles, Russians and Ukrainains and then claiming we Jews are Slavs, not really Jews, I really think somebody needs to set their foot down and speak against this.. This is Kahanist Forum I thought.
I could give a f**K less about making division here.. Better to have division than have goyim spread their BS Anti-SEmitic crap on this forum.
No , you posted before I could send. Above you.
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WHat did he mean, by I am 95% Slav and that I am spreading hate against Ukrainian, Russians Poles
Go ahead and explain to me?
He was saying. .. that if a Jew lived in a place for a 1000 years they would pick up genes from the locals. Like Jew's having blonde hair and blue eyes. .. but I kinda wonder if they were not light to begin with..
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He's also into that Slavs came from India. ... Some people think the Jews did too...
Jews are not a race, they could be from anywhere. And I'm so sick of the Khazars thing... so what... they converted!
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He was saying. .. that if a Jew lived in a place for a 1000 years they would pick up genes from the locals. Like Jew's having blonde hair and blue eyes. .. but I kinda wonder if they were not light to begin with..
The original inhabitants of Israel were not dark skin people, contrary to what the liberal lying historians may teach. In fact, the Torah refers to the native Egyptians as a bronze-skin and dark people. If you have ever met many Turkish natives, which is located very close proximity to Israel, many of them have very light skin and blue eyes. The darker skin genes actually came from inhabitants of Yemen and Arabic tribes intermarrying and mixing. That is why there is such diversity in looks in Middle East and many Middle Eastern people have Arabic features. Native Lebanese, Syrians, Turks , even Persians are lighter skin people and have many European like features. Many mistake Arabic features , which originate from Southern Saudi Arabia and Yemen as being the indigenous genes of the region which is totally false.
Jewish residents only picked up the looks of the locals , not from living there, but from being repeatedly raped by them. Rapes and pogroms were a common occurrence among Jews and why so many Jewish women ended up giving birth to children who could be half Cossack or half Russian or half Pole. My great grandfathers villages had many pogroms and they would rape our women all the time, in addition to robbing and murdering us, as they murdered my Aunt Gittel.
Anyhow, he is 100% wrong about us Jews being 95% Slav. We were never respected, loved or accepted by our Slavic Russian, Polish or Ukrainian hosts and we never intermarried or shared our genes with them out of any goodwill or mutual respect. They treated us like subhumans and most Jews in the end escaped Eastern Europe because we were so oppressed and lived like slaves.
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He's also into that Slavs came from India. ... Some people think the Jews did too...
Jews are not a race, they could be from anywhere. And I'm so sick of the Khazars thing... so what... they converted!
We are not Slavs!!!!!!!!!!! Let us make that clear... We are a People.. We are not Slavic People! We are Semites! A Semitic People. We have nothing in common with Slavs...
And, we were not accepted with open arms in Slavic lands as he falsely claims.. Slavic lands are our graveyards.. More Jews were massacred in Slavic lands in the 21st century than anywhere else on Earth..
I am not condemning Slavs here, but let's not try to rewrite history Ok!! The Poles were more than happy to help the Nazis in exterminating their Jewish citizens.. Almost half the Jews on the Earth died in Poland, Belarus and Russia at the hands of the Nazis, but with the assistance of the Poles, many who supported the Nazis in eradicating the Jewish population.
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He was saying. .. that if a Jew lived in a place for a 1000 years they would pick up genes from the locals. Like Jew's having blonde hair and blue eyes. .. but I kinda wonder if they were not light to begin with..
Apparently a study that I saw said that Ashkenazim, unless there are cases of recent intermarriage (like myself), are mostly Middle Eastern Semitic, with by the Y- and MT-DNA being Semitic. There are European contributions which in some lineages may dominate or be more prevalent than the Semitic, as in European Y- and MT-DNA (direct male- and female-line European ancestry with the rest being Semitic or European), but in general Ashkenazi Jews are mostly Semitic and the minority of European DNA is actually Mediterranean as in Greek or Italian. But even there in many cases, I don't know about the majority though, there is either some Slavic, some Germanic, or both. The results of the study proved that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are of Semitic lineage and discredited attempts by enemies of the Jewish people to delegitimize claims to Israel.
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He's also into that Slavs came from India. ... Some people think the Jews did too...
Jews are not a race, they could be from anywhere. And I'm so sick of the Khazars thing... so what... they converted!
The Khazars were originally Asiatic. They may have incorporated Slavic, even some Iranic tribes, just like the Bulgars, but unlike the Bulgars they remained majority-Asiatic. I do believe they converted, but also their contribution to Jewish DNA is stronger in some areas and weaker in others. Clearly they weren't very numerous, as their empire fell quite easily and they were easily driven out. If they indeed constituted the dominate lineage for so many Jews, than you'd see many Ashkenazim looking similar to Mongols or Turko-Mongolic indigenous Siberian peoples.
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Hey! I'm sure as hell not on the side of eastern European Slavs, besides the Serbs. And f Russia! But, I'm Czech and we are part slav.
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Hey! I'm sure as hell not on the side of eastern European Slavs, besides the Serbs. And f Russia! But, I'm Czech and we are part slav.
I have nothing against Slavs as a whole at all, especially nothing against Czechs..
However, I would never call a Slav a German or call a Slav an Anglo Saxon.. We are all proud of our heritages and don't need to be told we are something we are not.. And, considering how many are trying to discredit the Jews, by saying we are not really Jews and that Israel does not belong to us, it is important that we do not discredit our ancient Israelite/Semitic heritage. Especially, considering how the world is trying to discredit Jewish people as being fake Jewish European descendants, which we are definitely not.
Also, I would never say that Croats accepted Serbians with open arms or say Albanians and Serbs are one people when history definitely proves otherwise. So, I consider it equally insulting saying how we Jews were respected and welcomed with open arms in Russia, Poland and Ukraine, when in fact we were oppressed, terrorized and murdered and treated like subhumans.
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You can not judge by genetics. .. look at Serbia, look at the British Isles, look at What the Germans did to the Czechs in WW2. ..
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The Khazars were originally Asiatic. They may have incorporated Slavic, even some Iranic tribes, just like the Bulgars, but unlike the Bulgars they remained majority-Asiatic. I do believe they converted, but also their contribution to Jewish DNA is stronger in some areas and weaker in others. Clearly they weren't very numerous, as their empire fell quite easily and they were easily driven out. If they indeed constituted the dominate lineage for so many Jews, than you'd see many Ashkenazim looking similar to Mongols or Turko-Mongolic indigenous Siberian peoples.
Yes, I agree, but the Khazars were still Jew's! So their argument that Jews are Khazars and not real Jews is bogus!
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Hey! I'm sure as hell not on the side of eastern European Slavs, besides the Serbs. And f Russia! But, I'm Czech and we are part slav.
Well are you Jewish? Because then you probably have some Semitic DNA.
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Yes, I agree, but the Khazars were still Jew's! So their argument that Jews are Khazars and not real Jews is bogus!
Some Jews are primarily Khazar, but they are the minority, and they assimilated into the Jewish culture. The Khazar theory really doesn't do much in the way of discrediting Zionism.
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I think Serbian Army was saying that Jews have a lot of blood from the nations they dwelt in. I may not agree with his overall point but he was not trying to say that Jews in Slavic lands are not real Jews. I honestly didn't get that.
Of course, the reason why Jews have picked up the genes of the Gentile nations they were staying in is because of mass rapes of Jewish girls and women.
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Some Jews are primarily Khazar, but they are the minority, and they assimilated into the Jewish culture. The Khazar theory really doesn't do much in the way of discrediting Zionism.
Genes mean nothing. Anyways, the Kahazars were invaded and taken over by the Ottomans, so the majority are Turks now, and I don't believe that there are more than like 20 people in the world who say that they are Khazar Jews.
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But I thought Romania was on Moldova's side. And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Serbs support their Slavic brothers in Transnistria just as Ukrainians (even the nationalists who are against friendship with Russia), and the Russians did. My worst fear is for the current conflict to result in violence in Transnistria which could then spill over into Western Ukraine, where I live.
We are not really involved in Transnistria issue. We are not thinking in such way that if two of your friends have an argument you must take sides. We consider this an insult to freedom of expression. For an example, our government is about to sign a free trade agreement with Ukraine and we have more than good relationship with Russia. Liberty is in core of our being and big nations have problem with our attitude because we are small nation and we do not want to bow down to Russia, or EU, or USA. We are more likely to support Slavic nations over other nations, especially if they Orthodox Christians.
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We are not really involved in Transnistria issue. We are not thinking in such way that if two of your friends have an argument you must take sides. We consider this an insult to freedom of expression. For an example, our government is about to sign a free trade agreement with Ukraine and we have more than good relationship with Russia. Liberty is in core of our being and big nations have problem with our attitude because we are small nation and we do not want to bow down to Russia, or EU, or USA. We are more likely to support Slavic nations over other nations, especially if they Orthodox Christians.
Thats a way to be proud of! :serbia:
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I think Serbian Army was saying that Jews have a lot of blood from the nations they dwelt in. I may not agree with his overall point but he was not trying to say that Jews in Slavic lands are not real Jews. I honestly didn't get that.
Thank you!! I have nothing to add to explain my post.
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Thank you!! I have nothing to add to explain my post.
Well first off, Rambam writes that DNA dealing with physical characteristics changes with the environment you live in, which science proves, and intermarriage was almost unheard of besides in the last 3 generations, so outside of converts, it's not like Jews from Europe are any less Jewish, they just happened to live there. The only thing I need explained is for what reason did you feel the need to mention that Jews "have blood" from the countries they live in?
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Well first off, Rambam writes that DNA dealing with physical characteristics changes with the environment you live in, which science proves, and intermarriage was almost unheard of besides in the last 3 generations, so outside of converts, it's not like Jews from Europe are any less Jewish, they just happened to live there. The only thing I need explained is for what reason did you feel the need to mention that Jews "have blood" from the countries they live in?
I agree LKZ, I would like to know what he meant by Jews are 95% Slav?? I would think on any other Jewish forum that would be heresay .. I have Muslims and other Jew haters all the time tell me I am Russian, not a Jew, which is totally BS and wrong. Both ethnically/physically , culturally and spiritually , I am a Hebrew and Semite, not Slavic and Russian. My brothers have olive skin and hookish type of noses. They don't look much different than many mid-tone Lebanese or Syrian Arabs. Light complected/Mid-tone complected Lebanese and Syrians/Chaldeans actually are actually much closer to the indigenous inhabitants of the region, as well as closer to the features to the original Jewish Israelite inhabitants, than the darker skin Arabs/Saudi/Yemenites who moved into the area and intermarried into the populations, darkening the population and modifying the facial features. I, on the other hand, have more of the Ukrainian features of my mother. I can thank that to the pogroms. Even within her family, many relatives could easily pass as Persians or Lebanese. My cousin looks identical to most lighter, non Arabic looking, Persian girls I have seen. Many don't realize that many Persians also have considerable amount of Arabic blood from Islamic conquests.
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How are you people all experts on all the fine points of race?
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We are not really involved in Transnistria issue. We are not thinking in such way that if two of your friends have an argument you must take sides. We consider this an insult to freedom of expression. For an example, our government is about to sign a free trade agreement with Ukraine and we have more than good relationship with Russia. Liberty is in core of our being and big nations have problem with our attitude because we are small nation and we do not want to bow down to Russia, or EU, or USA. We are more likely to support Slavic nations over other nations, especially if they Orthodox Christians.
I didn't know that. Are some Chetniks on Ukraine's side? What would you say most Chetniks think of Israel? Unfortunately Vojislav Šešelj supports "Palestine", but clearly not all of them think like that. Milorad Dodik supports Israel, but I'm curious- is he a communist, or a Chetnik?
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We are not really involved in Transnistria issue. We are not thinking in such way that if two of your friends have an argument you must take sides. We consider this an insult to freedom of expression. For an example, our government is about to sign a free trade agreement with Ukraine and we have more than good relationship with Russia. Liberty is in core of our being and big nations have problem with our attitude because we are small nation and we do not want to bow down to Russia, or EU, or USA. We are more likely to support Slavic nations over other nations, especially if they Orthodox Christians.
Profound.
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Still spewing this Nazi garbage about race & who is less anti Semitic.
I'm locking this thread as it is going nowhere.