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Save Western Civilization => Save America => Topic started by: Lubab on September 09, 2007, 02:24:17 AM
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A newspaper not too long ago ran a story about an experiment they did.
Everyone in New York knows that people play music in the subway stations. The paper wanted to see what would happen if they put a world class famous violinist in the subway system for 30 days in street clothes. Would people appreciate it? Would people stop and listen?
The results: people treated him like any other musician. I think he made 3 bucks an hour or something like that and nobody paid much attention as he played his heart out.
Now fast forward to two days ago. I'm at the station at 14th Street waiting for the Q train.
Across the platform is a sweaty dirty savage banging two sticks onto a bucket as fast as he can. It was something that could give anyone a huge migraine.
To my surprise when he finished his "peice" just about all of the hundreds of people in the station literally burst into applause for this bucket banger.
Come to think of it just about everyone was applauding, everyone except for one guy that is. That's right, he didn't get any applause from ole' Lubab.
All I could think is this is what passes for achievement these days? I guess so. Maybe they're just happy he's not using the sticks to mug them like they are doing in Crown Heights on a daily basis.
How upside down this world is sometimes, and it's time we turn it right side up.
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Another example of the 'advanced' african culture AND how it is WRECKING our culture.
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A newspaper not too long ago ran a story about an experiment they did.
Everyone in New York knows that people play music in the subway stations. The paper wanted to see what would happen if they put a world class famous violinist in the subway system for 30 days in street clothes. Would people appreciate it? Would people stop and listen?
The results: people treated him like any other musician. I think he made 3 bucks an hour or something like that and nobody paid much attention as he played his heart out.
Now fast forward to two days ago. I'm at the station at 14th Street waiting for the Q train.
Across the platform is a sweaty dirty savage banging to sticks onto a bucket as fast as he can. It was something that could give anyone a huge migraine.
To my surprise when he finished his "peice" just about all of the hundreds of people in the station literally burst into applause for this bucket banger.
Come to think of it just about everyone was applauding, everyone except for one guy that is. That's right, he didn't get any applause from ole' Lubab.
All I could think is this is what passes for achievement these days? I guess so. Maybe their just happy is not using the stick to mug them like they are doing in Crown Heights on a daily basis.
How upside down this world is sometimes, and it's time we turn it right side up.
He's a savage because, he was sweaty and dirty...or because he was black? At least he was 'not' doing something you probably expected him to do, like rob you. He probably appreciates hard work and can't get a job because of his situation. If beating on a bucket feeds him for a day, I'm happy for him. You should be ashamed though. Calling him a savage, when he'd done nothing to hurt you.
Have you ever seen "Bringin' the Noise, Bringin' the Funk" on Broadway? Chances are, from this thread, you have not but I'll tell you this much; what you saw in the subway wasn't a new thing. The talented dancers and drummers who made up the cast of the play are good at what they do. If they can do it, anyone can.
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A newspaper not too long ago ran a story about an experiment they did.
Everyone in New York knows that people play music in the subway stations. The paper wanted to see what would happen if they put a world class famous violinist in the subway system for 30 days in street clothes. Would people appreciate it? Would people stop and listen?
The results: people treated him like any other musician. I think he made 3 bucks an hour or something like that and nobody paid much attention as he played his heart out.
Now fast forward to two days ago. I'm at the station at 14th Street waiting for the Q train.
Across the platform is a sweaty dirty savage banging to sticks onto a bucket as fast as he can. It was something that could give anyone a huge migraine.
To my surprise when he finished his "peice" just about all of the hundreds of people in the station literally burst into applause for this bucket banger.
Come to think of it just about everyone was applauding, everyone except for one guy that is. That's right, he didn't get any applause from ole' Lubab.
All I could think is this is what passes for achievement these days? I guess so. Maybe their just happy is not using the stick to mug them like they are doing in Crown Heights on a daily basis.
How upside down this world is sometimes, and it's time we turn it right side up.
He's a savage because, he was sweaty and dirty...or because he was black? At least he was 'not' doing something you probably expected him to do, like rob you. He probably appreciates hard work and can't get a job because of his situation. If beating on a bucket feeds him for a day, I'm happy for him. You should be ashamed though. Calling him a savage, when he'd done nothing to hurt you.
Have you ever seen "Bringin' the Noise, Bringin' the Funk" on Broadway? Chances are, from this thread, you have not but I'll tell you this much; what you saw in the subway wasn't a new thing. The talented dancers and drummers who made up the cast of the play are good at what they do. If they can do it, anyone can.
Once again, it seems that the whole point has flown right over Erica's head.
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A newspaper not too long ago ran a story about an experiment they did.
Everyone in New York knows that people play music in the subway stations. The paper wanted to see what would happen if they put a world class famous violinist in the subway system for 30 days in street clothes. Would people appreciate it? Would people stop and listen?
The results: people treated him like any other musician. I think he made 3 bucks an hour or something like that and nobody paid much attention as he played his heart out.
Now fast forward to two days ago. I'm at the station at 14th Street waiting for the Q train.
Across the platform is a sweaty dirty savage banging to sticks onto a bucket as fast as he can. It was something that could give anyone a huge migraine.
To my surprise when he finished his "peice" just about all of the hundreds of people in the station literally burst into applause for this bucket banger.
Come to think of it just about everyone was applauding, everyone except for one guy that is. That's right, he didn't get any applause from ole' Lubab.
All I could think is this is what passes for achievement these days? I guess so. Maybe their just happy is not using the stick to mug them like they are doing in Crown Heights on a daily basis.
How upside down this world is sometimes, and it's time we turn it right side up.
He's a savage because, he was sweaty and dirty...or because he was black? At least he was 'not' doing something you probably expected him to do, like rob you. He probably appreciates hard work and can't get a job because of his situation. If beating on a bucket feeds him for a day, I'm happy for him. You should be ashamed though. Calling him a savage, when he'd done nothing to hurt you.
Have you ever seen "Bringin' the Noise, Bringin' the Funk" on Broadway? Chances are, from this thread, you have not but I'll tell you this much; what you saw in the subway wasn't a new thing. The talented dancers and drummers who made up the cast of the play are good at what they do. If they can do it, anyone can.
Once again, it seems that the whole point has flown right over Erica's head.
The message is that you don't like black people even when they're not bothering you. Anyone doing positive things...NOT robbing anyone, NOT killing anyone is a threat to you and lubab.
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Once again, it seems that the whole point has flown right over Erica's head.
I'm going to think about not responding to her comments . I waste so much of the forum disc space re-explaining concepts over and over again.
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A newspaper not too long ago ran a story about an experiment they did.
Everyone in New York knows that people play music in the subway stations. The paper wanted to see what would happen if they put a world class famous violinist in the subway system for 30 days in street clothes. Would people appreciate it? Would people stop and listen?
The results: people treated him like any other musician. I think he made 3 bucks an hour or something like that and nobody paid much attention as he played his heart out.
Now fast forward to two days ago. I'm at the station at 14th Street waiting for the Q train.
Across the platform is a sweaty dirty savage banging to sticks onto a bucket as fast as he can. It was something that could give anyone a huge migraine.
To my surprise when he finished his "peice" just about all of the hundreds of people in the station literally burst into applause for this bucket banger.
Come to think of it just about everyone was applauding, everyone except for one guy that is. That's right, he didn't get any applause from ole' Lubab.
All I could think is this is what passes for achievement these days? I guess so. Maybe their just happy is not using the stick to mug them like they are doing in Crown Heights on a daily basis.
How upside down this world is sometimes, and it's time we turn it right side up.
He's a savage because, he was sweaty and dirty...or because he was black? At least he was 'not' doing something you probably expected him to do, like rob you. He probably appreciates hard work and can't get a job because of his situation. If beating on a bucket feeds him for a day, I'm happy for him. You should be ashamed though. Calling him a savage, when he'd done nothing to hurt you.
Have you ever seen "Bringin' the Noise, Bringin' the Funk" on Broadway? Chances are, from this thread, you have not but I'll tell you this much; what you saw in the subway wasn't a new thing. The talented dancers and drummers who made up the cast of the play are good at what they do. If they can do it, anyone can.
Once again, it seems that the whole point has flown right over Erica's head.
The message is that you don't like black people even when they're not bothering you. Anyone doing positive things...NOT robbing anyone, NOT killing anyone is a threat to you and lubab.
Is that really your standard, that we should applaud anything as long as it isn't robbing someone or killing someone? Man those are some low standards. This is exactly what we're talking about, your frame of mind is the exact reason why Lubab made this thread to begin with. People are more willing to give money to and appreciate a black person, just because he isn't killing or mugging someone, while the virtuouso violinist who gives beauty and meaning into the world through his wonderful music is ignored. It's this black-worshipping affirmative action mentality that makes people sanctify everything that blacks do while ignoring the beautiful things that they should be appreciating.
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Ze'ev makes an excellent point.
That's why any black who speaks like a human and doesn't have a criminal record is lauded as some kind of genius.
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A newspaper not too long ago ran a story about an experiment they did.
Everyone in New York knows that people play music in the subway stations. The paper wanted to see what would happen if they put a world class famous violinist in the subway system for 30 days in street clothes. Would people appreciate it? Would people stop and listen?
The results: people treated him like any other musician. I think he made 3 bucks an hour or something like that and nobody paid much attention as he played his heart out.
Now fast forward to two days ago. I'm at the station at 14th Street waiting for the Q train.
Across the platform is a sweaty dirty savage banging to sticks onto a bucket as fast as he can. It was something that could give anyone a huge migraine.
To my surprise when he finished his "peice" just about all of the hundreds of people in the station literally burst into applause for this bucket banger.
Come to think of it just about everyone was applauding, everyone except for one guy that is. That's right, he didn't get any applause from ole' Lubab.
All I could think is this is what passes for achievement these days? I guess so. Maybe their just happy is not using the stick to mug them like they are doing in Crown Heights on a daily basis.
How upside down this world is sometimes, and it's time we turn it right side up.
He's a savage because, he was sweaty and dirty...or because he was black? At least he was 'not' doing something you probably expected him to do, like rob you. He probably appreciates hard work and can't get a job because of his situation. If beating on a bucket feeds him for a day, I'm happy for him. You should be ashamed though. Calling him a savage, when he'd done nothing to hurt you.
Have you ever seen "Bringin' the Noise, Bringin' the Funk" on Broadway? Chances are, from this thread, you have not but I'll tell you this much; what you saw in the subway wasn't a new thing. The talented dancers and drummers who made up the cast of the play are good at what they do. If they can do it, anyone can.
Once again, it seems that the whole point has flown right over Erica's head.
The message is that you don't like black people even when they're not bothering you. Anyone doing positive things...NOT robbing anyone, NOT killing anyone is a threat to you and lubab.
Not bothering me? Taking people's attention away from serious and worthwhile musicians bothers me. So, let me get this straight, you consider NOT robbing anyone and NOT killing anyone to be a positive thing? Well excuse me, I thought that was a prerequisite of a civilized human being to not rob and murder anyone. That is truly an affirmative action standard to make NOT murdering and mugging a positive thing in and of itself. WOW
And actually, this man, who to you is doing nothing harmful, is a threat to people like me and Lubab because it's creating a generation of people who don't appreciate or even acknowledge the wonderful cultural benefits that Western society has to offer. It is a threat when white suburban kids start to act like criminal gangsters, it is a threat when everyone worships hip-hop at the expense of classical music, it is a threat when black values take over Western values and criminality is seen as "cool". Yes this is indeed a giant threat to Western civilization and it's nothing to be taken lightly.
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A newspaper not too long ago ran a story about an experiment they did.
Everyone in New York knows that people play music in the subway stations. The paper wanted to see what would happen if they put a world class famous violinist in the subway system for 30 days in street clothes. Would people appreciate it? Would people stop and listen?
The results: people treated him like any other musician. I think he made 3 bucks an hour or something like that and nobody paid much attention as he played his heart out.
Now fast forward to two days ago. I'm at the station at 14th Street waiting for the Q train.
Across the platform is a sweaty dirty savage banging to sticks onto a bucket as fast as he can. It was something that could give anyone a huge migraine.
To my surprise when he finished his "peice" just about all of the hundreds of people in the station literally burst into applause for this bucket banger.
Come to think of it just about everyone was applauding, everyone except for one guy that is. That's right, he didn't get any applause from ole' Lubab.
All I could think is this is what passes for achievement these days? I guess so. Maybe their just happy is not using the stick to mug them like they are doing in Crown Heights on a daily basis.
How upside down this world is sometimes, and it's time we turn it right side up.
He's a savage because, he was sweaty and dirty...or because he was black? At least he was 'not' doing something you probably expected him to do, like rob you. He probably appreciates hard work and can't get a job because of his situation. If beating on a bucket feeds him for a day, I'm happy for him. You should be ashamed though. Calling him a savage, when he'd done nothing to hurt you.
Have you ever seen "Bringin' the Noise, Bringin' the Funk" on Broadway? Chances are, from this thread, you have not but I'll tell you this much; what you saw in the subway wasn't a new thing. The talented dancers and drummers who made up the cast of the play are good at what they do. If they can do it, anyone can.
Once again, it seems that the whole point has flown right over Erica's head.
The message is that you don't like black people even when they're not bothering you. Anyone doing positive things...NOT robbing anyone, NOT killing anyone is a threat to you and lubab.
Not bothering me? Taking people's attention away from serious and worthwhile musicians bothers me. So, let me get this straight, you consider NOT robbing anyone and NOT killing anyone to be a positive thing? Well excuse me, I thought that was a prerequisite of a civilized human being to not rob and murder anyone. That is truly an affirmative action standard to make NOT murdering and mugging a positive thing in and of itself. WOW
And actually, this man, who to you is doing nothing harmful, is a threat to people like me and Lubab because it's creating a generation of people who don't appreciate or even acknowledge the wonderful cultural benefits that Western society has to offer. It is a threat when white suburban kids start to act like criminal gangsters, it is a threat when everyone worships hip-hop at the expense of classical music, it is a threat when black values take over Western values and criminality is seen as "cool". Yes this is indeed a giant threat to Western civilization and it's nothing to be taken lightly.
Okay, let me get this straight... a homeless man (because of the way you described him)... bangs out a beat on a bucket on the subway is robbing other 'beautiful people' of a cultural opportunity? LOL That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. And you do know that classical music isn't the ONLY musical genre in the world, right? I thought you'd probably take the time to laugh at the fact that this black man, beating on a bucket in the subway was beating as though he had a drum, as though he was in Africa...but NO, you're ANGRY that this man is leading white suburban 'rap obsessed' children into HELL with that damned drumming!!! LOL OMG!!!
There is nothing criminal about making an honest buck. The people who gave him a little change for his entertainment didn't HAVE to give him anything. They volunteered to. Just like you chose NOT TO give the man a round of applause, Lubab (I know I'm talking to both of you...) let alone a tip.. he didn't beg you or rush at you demanding that you pay for what you saw. Life went on and you're at home, in your cozy apartment/ house not being him, a homeless black man trying to scrape and scrounge--- and not needing to. Instead of bashing this homeless person for 'stealing creativity', revel in the fact that you dont' have to live like him.
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I'll come up with another example for Erica so (G_d willing) she'll get the point.
Their are two venues in the street.
At one venue, Oprah Winfrey is giving a talk on black pride and how black kids can get ahead and be proud and successful.
At the other, Newman the Aussie is telling dirty jokes and passing wind and lighting them on fire.
(with me so far, dear?)
You see all these black kids lined up at the second venue to watch my garbage and nobody lined up to hear Oprah.
Are you not VERY DISAPPOINTED?
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I'll come up with another example for Erica so (G_d willing) she'll get the point.
Their are two venues in the street.
At one venue, Oprah Winfrey is giving a talk on black pride and how black kids can get ahead and be proud and successful.
At the other, Newman the Aussie is telling dirty jokes and passing wind and lighting them on fire.
(with me so far, dear?)
You see all these black kids lined up at the second venue to watch my garbage and nobody lined up to hear Oprah.
Are you not VERY DISAPPOINTED?
First of all newman. You are sick. If you're going to stand there while Oprah does something positive and then do something incredibly stupid, and the black kids do look at you in awe, I would be disgusted and disappointed. Being the crab in the barrel you are, you'd probably do that anyway just to see how many black kids you can deter from greatness.
And I told you about the pet names. This includes, dear... wrap it up!
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
Yeah, I'm starting to think that this isn't going to work.
Let's point something out, Erica. Do you know what a hypothetical is? What newman gave you is a hypothetical. What you're supposed to do when someone gives you a hypothetical is PRETEND like everything he said is true, and don't judge any of that established reality, because that is not what's up for argument. The point of a hypothetical is not to argue the premises of the hypothetical, because most of them set up situations that might not be realistic, but are supposed to test you to see how you would react to them.
This is my free lesson to the black children for today. Consider it as me doing my part to lift the black children out of poverty. Make sure you teach them what I have told you because if you teach them the Erica method of understanding hypotheticals it will bring negative consequences for them.
Now, do you want to give another stab at it, or do you want to keep avoiding the issues?
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your damned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your darned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
So now do you understand our disappointment when a white person decides to listen to a homeless person banging on a trashcan with a wooden stick over the classically trained virtuoso violinist?
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
Yeah, I'm starting to think that this isn't going to work.
Let's point something out, Erica. Do you know what a hypothetical is? What newman gave you is a hypothetical. What you're supposed to do when someone gives you a hypothetical is PRETEND like everything he said is true, and don't judge any of that established reality, because that is not what's up for argument. The point of a hypothetical is not to argue the premises of the hypothetical, because most of them set up situations that might not be realistic, but are supposed to test you to see how you would react to them.
This is my free lesson to the black children for today. Consider it as me doing my part to lift the black children out of poverty. Make sure you teach them what I have told you because if you teach them the Erica method of understanding hypotheticals it will bring negative consequences for them.
Now, do you want to give another stab at it, or do you want to keep avoiding the issues?
I KNOW its hypothetical. I ANSWERED HIS QUESTION. Damn.
I ask questions here and they're avoided like the plague but once I answer the question I've missed the point? Great.
You want me to say yes? THe answer is YES because I would be disappointed. Happy?
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your darned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
So now do you understand our disappointment when a white person decides to listen to a homeless person banging on a trashcan with a wooden stick over the classically trained virtuoso violinist?
I mean, its not like they were going anywhere. What? Were they going to break away from his banging to a music hall or something? LOL Give me AND that poor guy a break! They didn't decide to listen...they had no choice. Their ears just happened to be in the presence of a homeless man playing bucket-bongos. lol
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your darned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
So now do you understand our disappointment when a white person decides to listen to a homeless person banging on a trashcan with a wooden stick over the classically trained virtuoso violinist?
I mean, its not like they were going anywhere. What? Were they going to break away from his banging to a music hall or something? LOL Give me AND that poor guy a break! They didn't decide to listen...they had no choice. Their ears just happened to be in the presence of a homeless man playing bucket-bongos. lol
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at Lubab's post!
His point was this:
1/ A classical violinist and a bucket banger were BOTH in the SAME location.
2/ The bucket banger got MUCH more patronage.
3/ This shows that people (of ALL races) in America have more appreciation for crude, primative rubbish than they do for high culture.
4/ This is not good for America.
If you don't get the point this time, I'm going to scream, curl up in a ball and have a nervous breakdown!
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your darned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
So now do you understand our disappointment when a white person decides to listen to a homeless person banging on a trashcan with a wooden stick over the classically trained virtuoso violinist?
I mean, its not like they were going anywhere. What? Were they going to break away from his banging to a music hall or something? LOL Give me AND that poor guy a break! They didn't decide to listen...they had no choice. Their ears just happened to be in the presence of a homeless man playing bucket-bongos. lol
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at Lubab's post!
His point was this:
1/ A classical violinist and a bucket banger were BOTH in the SAME location.
2/ The bucket banger got MUCH more patronage.
3/ This shows that people (of ALL races) in America have more appreciation for crude, primative rubbish than they do for high culture.
4/ This is not good for America.
If you don't get the point this time, I'm going to scream, curl up in a ball and have a nervous breakdown!
I got the point man. Maybe those people weren't into classical music and more into up beat rythms. I don't expect everyone to like the music I listen to, so why should you? I'm not into classical music but my 10 year old is and she's welcomed to it. Its called preference.
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your darned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
So now do you understand our disappointment when a white person decides to listen to a homeless person banging on a trashcan with a wooden stick over the classically trained virtuoso violinist?
I mean, its not like they were going anywhere. What? Were they going to break away from his banging to a music hall or something? LOL Give me AND that poor guy a break! They didn't decide to listen...they had no choice. Their ears just happened to be in the presence of a homeless man playing bucket-bongos. lol
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at Lubab's post!
His point was this:
1/ A classical violinist and a bucket banger were BOTH in the SAME location.
2/ The bucket banger got MUCH more patronage.
3/ This shows that people (of ALL races) in America have more appreciation for crude, primative rubbish than they do for high culture.
4/ This is not good for America.
If you don't get the point this time, I'm going to scream, curl up in a ball and have a nervous breakdown!
I got the point man. Maybe those people weren't into classical music and more into up beat rythms. I don't expect everyone to like the music I listen to, so why should you? I'm not into classical music but my 10 year old is and she's welcomed to it. Its called preference.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!(http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/25614/2004165592909513955_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004165592909513955)
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your darned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
So now do you understand our disappointment when a white person decides to listen to a homeless person banging on a trashcan with a wooden stick over the classically trained virtuoso violinist?
I mean, its not like they were going anywhere. What? Were they going to break away from his banging to a music hall or something? LOL Give me AND that poor guy a break! They didn't decide to listen...they had no choice. Their ears just happened to be in the presence of a homeless man playing bucket-bongos. lol
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at Lubab's post!
His point was this:
1/ A classical violinist and a bucket banger were BOTH in the SAME location.
2/ The bucket banger got MUCH more patronage.
3/ This shows that people (of ALL races) in America have more appreciation for crude, primative rubbish than they do for high culture.
4/ This is not good for America.
If you don't get the point this time, I'm going to scream, curl up in a ball and have a nervous breakdown!
I got the point man. Maybe those people weren't into classical music and more into up beat rythms. I don't expect everyone to like the music I listen to, so why should you? I'm not into classical music but my 10 year old is and she's welcomed to it. Its called preference.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!(http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/25614/2004165592909513955_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004165592909513955)
Stop being hypothetical. Do it for real. You'are angry because some people didn't respond to a clean cut violinist the way that most responded to a homeless black man playing a bucket. Musical preference. How many people do you know of who love classical music?
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your darned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
So now do you understand our disappointment when a white person decides to listen to a homeless person banging on a trashcan with a wooden stick over the classically trained virtuoso violinist?
I mean, its not like they were going anywhere. What? Were they going to break away from his banging to a music hall or something? LOL Give me AND that poor guy a break! They didn't decide to listen...they had no choice. Their ears just happened to be in the presence of a homeless man playing bucket-bongos. lol
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at Lubab's post!
His point was this:
1/ A classical violinist and a bucket banger were BOTH in the SAME location.
2/ The bucket banger got MUCH more patronage.
3/ This shows that people (of ALL races) in America have more appreciation for crude, primative rubbish than they do for high culture.
4/ This is not good for America.
If you don't get the point this time, I'm going to scream, curl up in a ball and have a nervous breakdown!
I got the point man. Maybe those people weren't into classical music and more into up beat rythms. I don't expect everyone to like the music I listen to, so why should you? I'm not into classical music but my 10 year old is and she's welcomed to it. Its called preference.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!(http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/25614/2004165592909513955_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004165592909513955)
Stop being hypothetical. Do it for real. You'are angry because some people didn't respond to a clean cut violinist the way that most responded to a homeless black man playing a bucket. Musical preference. How many people do you know of who love classical music?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your darned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
So now do you understand our disappointment when a white person decides to listen to a homeless person banging on a trashcan with a wooden stick over the classically trained virtuoso violinist?
I mean, its not like they were going anywhere. What? Were they going to break away from his banging to a music hall or something? LOL Give me AND that poor guy a break! They didn't decide to listen...they had no choice. Their ears just happened to be in the presence of a homeless man playing bucket-bongos. lol
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at Lubab's post!
His point was this:
1/ A classical violinist and a bucket banger were BOTH in the SAME location.
2/ The bucket banger got MUCH more patronage.
3/ This shows that people (of ALL races) in America have more appreciation for crude, primative rubbish than they do for high culture.
4/ This is not good for America.
If you don't get the point this time, I'm going to scream, curl up in a ball and have a nervous breakdown!
I got the point man. Maybe those people weren't into classical music and more into up beat rythms. I don't expect everyone to like the music I listen to, so why should you? I'm not into classical music but my 10 year old is and she's welcomed to it. Its called preference.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!(http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/25614/2004165592909513955_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004165592909513955)
Stop being hypothetical. Do it for real. You'are angry because some people didn't respond to a clean cut violinist the way that most responded to a homeless black man playing a bucket. Musical preference. How many people do you know of who love classical music?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That wasn't real enough for me....
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your darned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
So now do you understand our disappointment when a white person decides to listen to a homeless person banging on a trashcan with a wooden stick over the classically trained virtuoso violinist?
I mean, its not like they were going anywhere. What? Were they going to break away from his banging to a music hall or something? LOL Give me AND that poor guy a break! They didn't decide to listen...they had no choice. Their ears just happened to be in the presence of a homeless man playing bucket-bongos. lol
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at Lubab's post!
His point was this:
1/ A classical violinist and a bucket banger were BOTH in the SAME location.
2/ The bucket banger got MUCH more patronage.
3/ This shows that people (of ALL races) in America have more appreciation for crude, primative rubbish than they do for high culture.
4/ This is not good for America.
If you don't get the point this time, I'm going to scream, curl up in a ball and have a nervous breakdown!
I got the point man. Maybe those people weren't into classical music and more into up beat rythms. I don't expect everyone to like the music I listen to, so why should you? I'm not into classical music but my 10 year old is and she's welcomed to it. Its called preference.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!(http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/25614/2004165592909513955_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004165592909513955)
Stop being hypothetical. Do it for real. You'are angry because some people didn't respond to a clean cut violinist the way that most responded to a homeless black man playing a bucket. Musical preference. How many people do you know of who love classical music?
This is the point. A person banging away on a plastic drum is not music. Someone playing a beautiful piece on the violin is music. The reason why so few people llove classical music is a symptom of the problem. The reason why so many people love rap and hip hop is because they are taught that it's "cool" and that it's "hip" and that it's not cool to be white and it's cool to be black. People are brainwashed to like things by our PC establishment, so they really don't have any choice in the matter. Rap and hip-hop and criminal culture and gang culture and violence are shoved down their throats and they don't have the ability or knowledge to be able to resist this full-frontal assault on our values and civilization. Moreover, they are glorified by our PC establishment because it is part of their effort to show everything black in a positive light in order to brainwash people into thinking that "black is good" in order to create racial and cultural harmony which is necessary if our welfare and corporate state are to function properly. All of the people who shove this garbage down people's throats are doing it for profit and they don't care about the lives that are destroyed in the process.
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That wasn't real enough for me....
Is that an ebonics "keepin' it real" thing?
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That wasn't real enough for me....
Is that an ebonics "keepin' it real" thing?
Did I even type that, newman?
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That wasn't real enough for me....
Is that an ebonics "keepin' it real" thing?
Did I even type that, newman?
Well, you said it wasn't "real" enough. I didn't know what sense "real" was in.
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That wasn't real enough for me....
Is that an ebonics "keepin' it real" thing?
Did I even type that, newman?
Well, you said it wasn't "real" enough. I didn't know what sense "real" was in.
Stop reading everything I say as a hidden ebonics message to you. I said what I meant. It wasn't enough for you to just SAY you are having a nervous breakdown.... actually DO it!
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That wasn't real enough for me....
Is that an ebonics "keepin' it real" thing?
Did I even type that, newman?
Well, you said it wasn't "real" enough. I didn't know what sense "real" was in.
Stop reading everything I say as a hidden ebonics message to you. I said what I meant. It wasn't enough for you to just SAY you are having a nervous breakdown.... actually DO it!
Well I cried alot. Does that count?
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your darned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
So now do you understand our disappointment when a white person decides to listen to a homeless person banging on a trashcan with a wooden stick over the classically trained virtuoso violinist?
I mean, its not like they were going anywhere. What? Were they going to break away from his banging to a music hall or something? LOL Give me AND that poor guy a break! They didn't decide to listen...they had no choice. Their ears just happened to be in the presence of a homeless man playing bucket-bongos. lol
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at Lubab's post!
His point was this:
1/ A classical violinist and a bucket banger were BOTH in the SAME location.
2/ The bucket banger got MUCH more patronage.
3/ This shows that people (of ALL races) in America have more appreciation for crude, primative rubbish than they do for high culture.
4/ This is not good for America.
If you don't get the point this time, I'm going to scream, curl up in a ball and have a nervous breakdown!
I got the point man. Maybe those people weren't into classical music and more into up beat rythms. I don't expect everyone to like the music I listen to, so why should you? I'm not into classical music but my 10 year old is and she's welcomed to it. Its called preference.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!(http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/25614/2004165592909513955_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004165592909513955)
Stop being hypothetical. Do it for real. You'are angry because some people didn't respond to a clean cut violinist the way that most responded to a homeless black man playing a bucket. Musical preference. How many people do you know of who love classical music?
This is the point. A person banging away on a plastic drum is not music. Someone playing a beautiful piece on the violin is music. The reason why so few people llove classical music is a symptom of the problem. The reason why so many people love rap and hip hop is because they are taught that it's "cool" and that it's "hip" and that it's not cool to be white and it's cool to be black. People are brainwashed to like things by our PC establishment, so they really don't have any choice in the matter. Rap and hip-hop and criminal culture and gang culture and violence are shoved down their throats and they don't have the ability or knowledge to be able to resist this full-frontal assault on our values and civilization. Moreover, they are glorified by our PC establishment because it is part of their effort to show everything black in a positive light in order to brainwash people into thinking that "black is good" in order to create racial and cultural harmony which is necessary if our welfare and corporate state are to function properly. All of the people who shove this garbage down people's throats are doing it for profit and they don't care about the lives that are destroyed in the process.
Tell me, what was the last hip hop song you've heard? And by what artist? I happen to love R&B and some hip hop...none which involve being shot up or gunned down.
So you're telling me that "Dj Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince"'s song "Summertime" shows blacks in a negative light?
How about Sugar Hill Gang's " Rapper's Delight"... or moreover, Common's "The Light"?
You sound like a true militant. Raging against the machine, or in this case, the homeless man beating on a can. Well I guess that goes to show you that one man's music is another man's trash.
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That wasn't real enough for me....
Is that an ebonics "keepin' it real" thing?
Did I even type that, newman?
Well, you said it wasn't "real" enough. I didn't know what sense "real" was in.
Stop reading everything I say as a hidden ebonics message to you. I said what I meant. It wasn't enough for you to just SAY you are having a nervous breakdown.... actually DO it!
Well I cried alot. Does that count?
There's no proof of that... I'll just have to take your word for it.
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Stop reading everything I say as a hidden ebonics message to you. I said what I meant. It wasn't enough for you to just SAY you are having a nervous breakdown.... actually DO it!
Well I cried alot. Does that count?
There's no proof of that... I'll just have to take your word for it.
I love you, Erica.
Don't ever change. :D :D :D :D
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Stop reading everything I say as a hidden ebonics message to you. I said what I meant. It wasn't enough for you to just SAY you are having a nervous breakdown.... actually DO it!
Well I cried alot. Does that count?
There's no proof of that... I'll just have to take your word for it.
I love you, Erica.
Don't ever change. :D :D :D :D
"What's love got to do with it?" In this forum, its just "a secondhand emotion"...certainly you don't have any of that in that cold heart of yours.
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I love you, Erica.
Don't ever change. :D :D :D :D
"What's love got to do with it?" In this forum, its just "a secondhand emotion"...certainly you don't have any of that in that cold heart of yours.
Now that you've done Tina, do Camptown Races.....doo dah, doo dah.
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I love you, Erica.
Don't ever change. :D :D :D :D
"What's love got to do with it?" In this forum, its just "a secondhand emotion"...certainly you don't have any of that in that cold heart of yours.
Now that you've done Tina, do Camptown Races.....doo dah, doo dah.
So I quote a black vocalist, and rate "Camptown Races" ebonics?
I MUST quote Simon and Garfunkel next time.
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I love you, Erica.
Don't ever change. :D :D :D :D
"What's love got to do with it?" In this forum, its just "a secondhand emotion"...certainly you don't have any of that in that cold heart of yours.
Now that you've done Tina, do Camptown Races.....doo dah, doo dah.
So I quote a black vocalist, and rate "Camptown Races" ebonics?
I MUST quote Simon and Garfunkel next time.
Everywhere I go I get slandered!.........LIBLE!!
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I love you, Erica.
Don't ever change. :D :D :D :D
"What's love got to do with it?" In this forum, its just "a secondhand emotion"...certainly you don't have any of that in that cold heart of yours.
Now that you've done Tina, do Camptown Races.....doo dah, doo dah.
So I quote a black vocalist, and rate "Camptown Races" ebonics?
I MUST quote Simon and Garfunkel next time.
Everywhere I go I get slandered!.........LIBLE!!
Okay?????...
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I love you, Erica.
Don't ever change. :D :D :D :D
"What's love got to do with it?" In this forum, its just "a secondhand emotion"...certainly you don't have any of that in that cold heart of yours.
Now that you've done Tina, do Camptown Races.....doo dah, doo dah.
So I quote a black vocalist, and rate "Camptown Races" ebonics?
I MUST quote Simon and Garfunkel next time.
Everywhere I go I get slandered!.........LIBLE!!
Okay?????...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
That's a Simon & Garfunkle quote!
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I love you, Erica.
Don't ever change. :D :D :D :D
"What's love got to do with it?" In this forum, its just "a secondhand emotion"...certainly you don't have any of that in that cold heart of yours.
Now that you've done Tina, do Camptown Races.....doo dah, doo dah.
So I quote a black vocalist, and rate "Camptown Races" ebonics?
I MUST quote Simon and Garfunkel next time.
Everywhere I go I get slandered!.........LIBLE!!
Okay?????...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
That's a Simon & Garfunkle quote!
And its 4:40 am here... I need to get some sleep. I'll listen to Simon and Garfunkel in the morning. Oops , I mean, later on today... Until then, good...morning.
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I love you, Erica.
Don't ever change. :D :D :D :D
"What's love got to do with it?" In this forum, its just "a secondhand emotion"...certainly you don't have any of that in that cold heart of yours.
Now that you've done Tina, do Camptown Races.....doo dah, doo dah.
So I quote a black vocalist, and rate "Camptown Races" ebonics?
I MUST quote Simon and Garfunkel next time.
Everywhere I go I get slandered!.........LIBLE!!
Okay?????...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
That's a Simon & Garfunkle quote!
And its 4:40 am here... I need to get some sleep. I'll listen to Simon and Garfunkel in the morning. Oops , I mean, later on today... Until then, good...morning.
It's from "Keep The Customer Satisfied".
Good night....morning.
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They have been pounding on plastic cans for years in the subways, parks and any where else they can make a nusiance. The reason that white idiots give money to these 'musicians' is because they feel that this creature could be beating on their white stupid heads with his sticks. I have seen breakdancers on the subways, conga drummers on the subway, rappers, singers etc., etc. On of my favorite lines are 'please give me money, I don't do drugs and I don't rob'. I believe the FBI used to go after the mafia for what they used to call the 'protection racket'. If you don't give me money I could rob you. We just can't win. Maybe if we could have rap concerts everyday in restricted area where the trash of all colors can go, much like the games in Rome, we could keep them there all day with free booze, drugs and maybe a buck or two for some mac and cheese then let them go back home after all the working white people are safely home behinds fortified locked doors. If we give them enough drugs they will pass out and we can then start the whole process all over again. We can also do away with the public school system to get the money for this venture.
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They have been pounding on plastic cans for years in the subways, parks and any where else they can make a nusiance. The reason that white idiots give money to these 'musicians' is because they feel that this creature could be beating on their white stupid heads with his sticks. I have seen breakdancers on the subways, conga drummers on the subway, rappers, singers etc., etc. On of my favorite lines are 'please give me money, I don't do drugs and I don't rob'. I believe the FBI used to go after the mafia for what they used to call the 'protection racket'. If you don't give me money I could rob you. We just can't win. Maybe if we could have rap concerts everyday in restricted area where the trash of all colors can go, much like the games in Rome, we could keep them there all day with free booze, drugs and maybe a buck or two for some mac and cheese then let them go back home after all the working white people are safely home behinds fortified locked doors. If we give them enough drugs they will pass out and we can then start the whole process all over again. We can also do away with the public school system to get the money for this venture.
Actually, we can't do away with the public school system. Ever. What would you do with the children who attend public school and can't afford to attend private school, dare I ask.
I walked past plenty of white homeless people near Times Square, some with a racket, some without and neither of them ever bashed me over the head. With that said, none of the black street performers or homeless people bashed me either. lol
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Newman and Ze'ev,
The ones that are most blind are the ones who refuse to see.
Don't waste more time with Erica, unless of course you enjoy this.
Erica's response to this just shows how deep of a problem we have here.
This comment is for everyone watching not for Erica:
Erica is wrong in saying I have no right to call him a savage. The blacks have proven themselves time and time again to be an enemy of my people and all civilized people in the vast majority of cases. That switches the burden of proof onto THEM to prove to me that they are not a savage, civilized folks must assume that they are savages in order to survive personally and as a nation.
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Newman and Ze'ev,
The ones that are most blind are the ones who refuse to see.
Don't waste more time with Erica, unless of course you enjoy this.
Erica's response to this just shows how deep of a problem we have here.
Because I dont' agree with you I'm blind? Are you that shallow to think that everything that comes out of your mouth or from your brain is correct? Are you NEVER wrong? You're simply angry that people passed up a violinist over a homelsss black bucket drummer. Not everyone loves classical music. Some people think its pretty boring and depressing depending on the mood of the song. I have respect for violinists, Celloists, and orchestras because I can't do what they do... but at the same time, my personality doesn't fit classical music. Your's might though.
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I don't believe it!!
She DID miss the point! ??? ???
I answered your darned question, newman... YES I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED...
BUT I wouldn't be surprised if you did it.
So now do you understand our disappointment when a white person decides to listen to a homeless person banging on a trashcan with a wooden stick over the classically trained virtuoso violinist?
I mean, its not like they were going anywhere. What? Were they going to break away from his banging to a music hall or something? LOL Give me AND that poor guy a break! They didn't decide to listen...they had no choice. Their ears just happened to be in the presence of a homeless man playing bucket-bongos. lol
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at Lubab's post!
His point was this:
1/ A classical violinist and a bucket banger were BOTH in the SAME location.
2/ The bucket banger got MUCH more patronage.
3/ This shows that people (of ALL races) in America have more appreciation for crude, primative rubbish than they do for high culture.
4/ This is not good for America.
If you don't get the point this time, I'm going to scream, curl up in a ball and have a nervous breakdown!
I got the point man. Maybe those people weren't into classical music and more into up beat rythms. I don't expect everyone to like the music I listen to, so why should you? I'm not into classical music but my 10 year old is and she's welcomed to it. Its called preference.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!(http://aycu15.webshots.com/image/25614/2004165592909513955_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004165592909513955)
LOL newman i feel your pain
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Newman and Ze'ev,
The ones that are most blind are the ones who refuse to see.
Don't waste more time with Erica, unless of course you enjoy this.
Erica's response to this just shows how deep of a problem we have here.
This comment is for everyone watching not for Erica:
Erica is wrong in saying I have no right to call him a savage. The blacks have proven themselves time and time again to be an enemy of my people and all civilized people in the vast majority of cases. That switches the burden of proof onto THEM to prove to me that they are not a savage, civilized folks must assume that they are savages in order to survive personally and as a nation.
Generalizing yet again...
This man is the enemy because he directed attention to himself and what he was using as a form of music and because he is black. I'd be with you if you said that after the man beat his bucket-drum, he preceded to push all of the waiting passengers onto the third rail exhibiting 'TNB', but this man was harmless.
You sound just like old-timers who got nervous when Elvis Presley became the big thing in the 50's. He started to swivel his hips and every old person thought he was creating a problem by dancing in a way they could never move. lol Times change, people change, tastes change. Is that not okay with you?
Can YOU play drums, lubab? Can you play the violin?
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The public school system is a cess pool. You can start your own school or home school. There are plenty of parents that home school and their children do much better on the state tests then the bunch we spend millions and millions on. I have no use for white trash either. Just pay these things to go away, i don't want to interact with any of them. Drug them, give them free booze and cigs and a dump to squat in. I just want it away from people that work for a living unless you want to put in the areas and the condos where liberals, hollywierds, news casters, journalist, and congress animal graze, that is fine with me. Just get rid of them. I find them replusive and dangerous, if you don't fear them, adopt them and take them into your home. By doing that you can show us what a wonderful role model you are and how you live up to the true meaning of liberal.
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The public school system is a cess pool. You can start your own school or home school. There are plenty of parents that home school and their children do much better on the state tests then the bunch we spend millions and millions on. I have no use for white trash either. Just pay these things to go away, i don't want to interact with any of them. Drug them, give them free booze and cigs and a dump to squat in. I just want it away from people that work for a living unless you want to put in the areas and the condos where liberals, hollywierds, news casters, journalist, and congress animal graze, that is fine with me. Just get rid of them. I find them replusive and dangerous, if you don't fear them, adopt them and take them into your home. By doing that you can show us what a wonderful role model you are and how you live up to the true meaning of liberal.
Move to an all white country then, fjack... ::)
And people here say you don't generalize.
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an all white country
Is there one?
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an all white country
Is there one?
I don't know. I've been to a couple of countries where blacks aren't born there. Spain and Germany. I guess they're all white.
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an all white country
Is there one?
I don't know. I've been to a couple of countries where blacks aren't born there. Spain and Germany. I guess they're all white.
Those countries are full of stinking muslim savages!
Talk about out of the frying pan.........................
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Try Iceland. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone with even dark hair there.
It still wouldn't work.
All the whites from the USA could go there, build it up, create a prosperous & safe country and guess what?? All the jungle jumpers and losers from the third world would move there as well because they've turned every other place they've lived into a hellhole.
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Try Iceland. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone with even dark hair there.
It still wouldn't work.
All the whites from the USA could go there, build it up, create a prosperous & safe country and guess what?? All the jungle jumpers and losers from the third world would move there as well because they've turned every other place they've lived into a hellhole.
You're probably best off moving somewhere in Utah, North Dakota, Wyoming, South Dakota, or Wyoming. Those places have like 99% white people although there aren't any Jews. The black people don't want to live there because there aren't giant ghettos where they can do what they do best, deal drugs, rob people and pop out welfare babies.
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You're probably best off moving somewhere in Utah, North Dakota, Wyoming, South Dakota, or Wyoming. Those places have like 99% white people although there aren't any Jews. The black people don't want to live there because there aren't giant ghettos where they can do what they do best, deal drugs, rob people and pop out welfare babies.
The public and their elected officials aren't full of false guilt or predisposed to PC, AA BS either! Minorities won't get a free ride in those states. They'll have to pay 'full-fare' like the rest. That's why they stay out.
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Newman and Ze'ev,
The ones that are most blind are the ones who refuse to see.
Don't waste more time with Erica, unless of course you enjoy this.
Erica's response to this just shows how deep of a problem we have here.
This comment is for everyone watching not for Erica:
Erica is wrong in saying I have no right to call him a savage. The blacks have proven themselves time and time again to be an enemy of my people and all civilized people in the vast majority of cases. That switches the burden of proof onto THEM to prove to me that they are not a savage, civilized folks must assume that they are savages in order to survive personally and as a nation.
Generalizing yet again...
This man is the enemy because he directed attention to himself and what he was using as a form of music and because he is black. I'd be with you if you said that after the man beat his bucket-drum, he preceded to push all of the waiting passengers onto the third rail exhibiting 'TNB', but this man was harmless.
You sound just like old-timers who got nervous when Elvis Presley became the big thing in the 50's. He started to swivel his hips and every old person thought he was creating a problem by dancing in a way they could never move. lol Times change, people change, tastes change. Is that not okay with you?
Can YOU play drums, lubab? Can you play the violin?
I can play drums and guitar, but not violin.
Oh yeah and I can play the bucket too.
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Newman and Ze'ev,
The ones that are most blind are the ones who refuse to see.
Don't waste more time with Erica, unless of course you enjoy this.
Erica's response to this just shows how deep of a problem we have here.
This comment is for everyone watching not for Erica:
Erica is wrong in saying I have no right to call him a savage. The blacks have proven themselves time and time again to be an enemy of my people and all civilized people in the vast majority of cases. That switches the burden of proof onto THEM to prove to me that they are not a savage, civilized folks must assume that they are savages in order to survive personally and as a nation.
Generalizing yet again...
This man is the enemy because he directed attention to himself and what he was using as a form of music and because he is black. I'd be with you if you said that after the man beat his bucket-drum, he preceded to push all of the waiting passengers onto the third rail exhibiting 'TNB', but this man was harmless.
You sound just like old-timers who got nervous when Elvis Presley became the big thing in the 50's. He started to swivel his hips and every old person thought he was creating a problem by dancing in a way they could never move. lol Times change, people change, tastes change. Is that not okay with you?
Can YOU play drums, lubab? Can you play the violin?
I can play drums and guitar, but not violin.
Oh yeah and I can play the bucket too.
Then lubab what's the big deal? So what some people are not as cultured as you want them to be...Why don't you get out there in the subway or become a street artist so that you can become noticed for your talents? I wish I could play the bucket. I only use mine to mop my house or wash my vehicle.
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I happen to not be a big fan of classic music, but I can appreciate talent when I see it. And I'm also not blind to the fact that people of certain colors in America get preferential treatment for inferior behavior. Everyone is now brainwashed to think "black good, white bad" and it's animal farm all over again. That's why the applaud the lack of talent and ignore the real talent. Because "black good, white bad".
Don't you see Erica? Whites are the race being discriminated against today. If you're really against racism you should be supporting us whites just like we Jews supported you blacks when you were being discriminated against.
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I happen to not be a big fan of classic music, but I can appreciate talent when I see it. And I'm also not blind to the fact that people of certain colors in America get preferential treatment for inferior behavior. Everyone is now brainwashed to think "black good, white bad" and it's animal farm all over again. That's why the applaud the lack of talent and ignore the real talent. Because "black good, white bad".
Don't you see Erica? Whites are the race being discriminated against today. If you're really against racism you should be supporting us whites just like we Jews supported you blacks when you were being discriminated against.
Lubab, not everyone thinks that classical musicians are exhibiting a talent... you and I might think differently but not everyone thinks the same. And it almost ALWAYS has nothing to do with hip hop culture. Classical music puts me to sleep. The musicians look like they've spent the better parts of their lives boeing a violin, playing a flute and strumming a cello but that means nothing to someone who isn't interested in it as an art.
I loved Queen, and recognize that they had MANY classical music elements featured in their music. But I wouldn't then turn on Beethoven or Bach because I have an appreciation for Queen.
So its not about white being bad and black being good..its about 'this sounds sad' and 'that sounds more exciting'.
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What Lubab describes is symptomatic of our whole western culture.
Another example:
Two films are on at a twin cinema.
Film 1: "Great Philosophers of the Western World."
Film 2: "Bikini Bimbo College Carwash"
Like to guess which one will gross the most in today's society?
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What Lubab describes is symptomatic of our whole western culture.
Another example:
Two films are on at a twin cinema.
Film 1: "Great Philosophers of the Western World."
Film 2: "Bikini Bimbo College Carwash"
Like to guess which one will gross the most in today's society?
I'm guessing that Bikini Bimbo college Carwash would be an interesting movie for those who are white teens who live in the Valley of California.
I don't think I'd pay $10 to watch Great Philosophers of the Western World, myself. I get all of THAT info from the History Channel.
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What Lubab describes is symptomatic of our whole western culture.
Another example:
Two films are on at a twin cinema.
Film 1: "Great Philosophers of the Western World."
Film 2: "Bikini Bimbo College Carwash"
Like to guess which one will gross the most in today's society?
I'm guessing that Bikini Bimbo college Carwash would be an interesting movie for those who are white teens who live in the Valley of California.
I don't think I'd pay $10 to watch Great Philosophers of the Western World, myself. I get all of THAT info from the History Channel.
Missed the target again.
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What Lubab describes is symptomatic of our whole western culture.
Another example:
Two films are on at a twin cinema.
Film 1: "Great Philosophers of the Western World."
Film 2: "Bikini Bimbo College Carwash"
Like to guess which one will gross the most in today's society?
I'm guessing that Bikini Bimbo college Carwash would be an interesting movie for those who are white teens who live in the Valley of California.
I don't think I'd pay $10 to watch Great Philosophers of the Western World, myself. I get all of THAT info from the History Channel.
Missed the target again.
I didn't miss the target. Some people think that education is for the birds. So naturally, Bikini Bimbo... would be the movie they'd go to see, over "Great Philosophers". Remember when people actually went to the movies to see French Film Noir movies, on purpose? Tastes aren't the same...and it has nothing to do with the black community or black culture. .
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Missed the target again.
I didn't miss the target. Some people think that education is for the birds. So naturally, Bikini Bimbo... would be the movie they'd go to see, over "Great Philosophers". Remember when people actually went to the movies to see French Film Noir movies, on purpose? Tastes aren't the same...and it has nothing to do with the black community or black culture. .
The point that I am so painfully trying to make is that our culture has degenerated!
Smut culture of the post 60s has ensured filth is preferred to philosophy and wisdom.
Negro culture of the post 70s has ensured that jungle jumper bucket banging is preferred over high musical culture.
Yes it IS about tastes! That's the whole, blessed point!!
Vile black culture have perverted our societies TASTES!!
Get it now???
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Missed the target again.
I didn't miss the target. Some people think that education is for the birds. So naturally, Bikini Bimbo... would be the movie they'd go to see, over "Great Philosophers". Remember when people actually went to the movies to see French Film Noir movies, on purpose? Tastes aren't the same...and it has nothing to do with the black community or black culture. .
The point that I am so painfully trying to make is that our culture has degenerated!
Smut culture of the post 60s has ensured filth is preferred to philosophy and wisdom.
Negro culture of the post 70s has ensured that jungle jumper bucket banging is preferred over high musical culture.
Yes it IS about tastes! That's the whole, blessed point!!
Vile black culture have perverted our societies TASTES!!
Get it now???
Black culture is the reason for all of your ills, newman. You can't get the job you want... Black peoples' fault. You can't get into the school you want...black people's fault. When are you going to stop blaming black people for every single problem under the sun? Aren't you that same 'individual' who said that blacks should blame themselves for their problems? White people don't have to take responsiblilty for their own decisions to like or dislike classical music?
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I happen to not be a big fan of classic music, but I can appreciate talent when I see it. And I'm also not blind to the fact that people of certain colors in America get preferential treatment for inferior behavior. Everyone is now brainwashed to think "black good, white bad" and it's animal farm all over again. That's why the applaud the lack of talent and ignore the real talent. Because "black good, white bad".
Don't you see Erica? Whites are the race being discriminated against today. If you're really against racism you should be supporting us whites just like we Jews supported you blacks when you were being discriminated against.
Lubab, not everyone thinks that classical musicians are exhibiting a talent... you and I might think differently but not everyone thinks the same. And it almost ALWAYS has nothing to do with hip hop culture. Classical music puts me to sleep. The musicians look like they've spent the better parts of their lives boeing a violin, playing a flute and strumming a cello but that means nothing to someone who isn't interested in it as an art.
I loved Queen, and recognize that they had MANY classical music elements featured in their music. But I wouldn't then turn on Beethoven or Bach because I have an appreciation for Queen.
So its not about white being bad and black being good..its about 'this sounds sad' and 'that sounds more exciting'.
Don't you think that if the violinist was black he would get more support from the liberal 14th steet crowd?
Don't you think that if the bucket drummer was white he might NOT have gotten any applause?
Do you see the double standard here?
Do you see the injustice?
Do you see the brain-washing?
Do you see what the media has done to perpetuate the notion that blacks are G-d's gift to mankind and whites are spoiled evil racists?
That's just another form of racism isn't it?
Shouldn't we be fighting together to expose and correct this corrupt perpective we've
been indocrinated into?
(having traveled in the New York tranportation system for years I can tell first hand that the answer to all these questions is a resounding "Yes!".
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I happen to not be a big fan of classic music, but I can appreciate talent when I see it. And I'm also not blind to the fact that people of certain colors in America get preferential treatment for inferior behavior. Everyone is now brainwashed to think "black good, white bad" and it's animal farm all over again. That's why the applaud the lack of talent and ignore the real talent. Because "black good, white bad".
Don't you see Erica? Whites are the race being discriminated against today. If you're really against racism you should be supporting us whites just like we Jews supported you blacks when you were being discriminated against.
Lubab, not everyone thinks that classical musicians are exhibiting a talent... you and I might think differently but not everyone thinks the same. And it almost ALWAYS has nothing to do with hip hop culture. Classical music puts me to sleep. The musicians look like they've spent the better parts of their lives boeing a violin, playing a flute and strumming a cello but that means nothing to someone who isn't interested in it as an art.
I loved Queen, and recognize that they had MANY classical music elements featured in their music. But I wouldn't then turn on Beethoven or Bach because I have an appreciation for Queen.
So its not about white being bad and black being good..its about 'this sounds sad' and 'that sounds more exciting'.
Part I
Don't you think that if the violinist was black he would get more support from the liberal 14th steet crowd?
Who cares? LOL He's a violinist, for G-d's sake. Judging by the way you described the experiment, people walked past the white violinist eventhough he made $3/hour. He would be treated just like that white violinist...no racism involved, just musical preference...
Don't you think that if the bucket drummer was white he might NOT have gotten any applause?
No. I don't. LOL Coming from Chicago, I've seen white drummers, with full drumsets in the subway...they got more attention than the man standing outside of Carson Pirie Scott, singing blues songs with no instruments involved. In fact, people looked at him as if he had the bubonic plague, just like people treated the white violinist in your part of town.
Do you see the double standard here?
There is no double standard, unless we're talking tastes in music. Sometimes people want to hear soothing music, sometimes different people want to hear 'day starting' music...(music that wakes you up and carries you to work while you drink your Starbucks....)
Do you see the injustice?
The only injustice I see is someone judging a homeless person for drumming in the subway.
Do you see the brain-washing?
There is no hidden agenda, no conspiracy, no brain- washing...but I do see a lot of double standards in your posts on this subject. You're implying that inherently, blacks don't appreciate music played by violinists..that there arent' any cultured black people who appreciate a good Philiharmonic peice. A homeless black man playing bucket bongos isn't part of an inside operation to make white people LOVE hip hop. lol Why don't YOU get out there and do what he and that violinist did with your guitar? Re-do the experiment if it wasn't done to your liking and see how many people flock to you... maybe you'll gather more fans than the homeless black man and will finally be happy.
Do you see what the media has done to perpetuate the notion that blacks are G-d's gift to mankind and whites are spoiled evil racists?
I'm laughing because you are under the impression that that homeless, raggedy, black man is part of the media's plan to get people to think that whites are racist. lol FUNNY!
That's just another form of racism isn't it?
There is no racism in people choosing one style of music over another. I'm a 33 year old black woman who has been exposed to many forms of music. From Miriam Makeba, to Christopher Cross...from Earth Wind and Fire to America...from James Brown to Simon and Garfunkel...from Lakeside to James Taylor. What does that make me? Confused about where my culture lies? CHoosing your own genre of music is no more racist than choosing to enjoy certain cultural foods are. (Fried chicken and watermelon isn't a cultural food... before anyone says it is).
Shouldn't we be fighting together to expose and correct this corrupt perpective we've
been indocrinated into?
You are doing way too much, man... its not that serious. Yes, lets fight together to give any black homeless person a severe beat-down for poisoning the minds of white people into thinking that drumming is actually instrumental also!!! :o
(having traveled in the New York tranportation system for years I can tell first hand that the answer to all these questions is a resounding "Yes!".
Your answer would be yes... Mine is a resounding NO
Part II
Said the Chicagoan to the New Yorker, "I've seen the best and worst of street and subway artists around in my 20 years living in Chicago..."
I've seen black saxaphone players, white trombonists, black spoon players, white violinists, black violinists, black and white singers, white and black dancers, white hippies playing folk music, and black rappers... I've seen it all and from my prospective, its all about taste. The people who are standing in the subway tunnels while subway performers stand there and listen; even give a little change because they have nothing better to do but wait and listen until their train arrives. Most of the people who give, give in passing and really haven't listened to the performer...like a robot almost. I find that I do that when I'm passing homeless people, reaching in my pocket for a few quarters and depositing them into their cups.
Everything isn't about a grand conspiracy to ruin American Culture. Yes, some blacks have contributed to ruining AMerican culture by being EVIL but I've never heard of a black with a true talent being at fault for showing people what they can do. I mean, I could blame the hippies of the 60's for a lot... Big colorful clothing (which can only been enjoyed while high on LSD), overuse of headbands and flowered acoustic guitars (which can only be enjoyed while high on marijuana...), and lame "Give Peace A Chance" (sorry John Lennon)... songs (which can...well you get the idea.) But who am I to block them from achieving their fame?
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Erica I don't appreciate you ascribing thoughts and opinions to me that I never stated as you just did several times in the above post. That is what we call a "straw-man" argument.
You never even answered the first question. So let's start with that and keep it simple.
The first question was: would the same violinist with black skin have gotten more support on 14th street in Manhattan? I say "yes". What do you say?
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We also need to adress the issue of: let's say you're right. Let's say it's all about taste in music. Let's say (though this is not true) that a white person doing the same drumming would also get applause.
That itself is a problem because it shows people's taste in music has degenerated for some reason to a point where we appreciate "music" that takes very little talent and hard work while not appreciating music that does take talent and hard work.
Why is this happening? I would suggest it's because American culture has become convinced by the ruling establishment elite that being and underacheiver is "cool". This way the elite has very little competition to their clutches on power.
Call it a conspriacy, call it what you want. It's what's going on now and it's what's gone on throughout the vast majority of history. The powerful try to make the common man weaker to keep their power. True democracy is a tiny historical hiccup, while oligarchy has generally been the rule.
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my personality doesn't fit classical music.
Not everyone has the ability to appreciate greatness. At least you're honest, Erica. ;)
This thread is a perfect example of the dumbing down of society.
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Perhaps it's more about the novelty of using a bucket as an instrument than it has anything to do with white guilt or patronizing liberals.
If the situation pitted a young payot-wearing orthodox youth playing Klezmer accordion, and an old black man singing Robert Johnson songs on his acoustic guitar, which one do you believe would receive the most attention?
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Perhaps it's more about the novelty of using a bucket as an instrument than it has anything to do with white guilt or patronizing liberals.
If the situation pitted a young payot-wearing orthodox youth playing Klezmer accordion, and an old black man singing Robert Johnson songs on his acoustic guitar, which one do you believe would receive the most attention?
In NYC? The black man, of course.
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Of course?? You're that sure. At least the last time I was there, just about every other subway musician in New York is an old black man playing blues songs.
Was the age of the bucket drummer ever established? I can't imagine that anyone would take a grown man banging on a bucket, of any race, seriously. At the same time, I'd argue that most people will be more inclined to give their attention to a young "artist", regardless of race, ethnicity, or musical genre.
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Two musical geniuses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfV8fZK3YGQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjjqlg74uoc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4AA6EuZe-k
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jp6_xf_c5o
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Erica I don't appreciate you ascribing thoughts and opinions to me that I never stated as you just did several times in the above post. That is what we call a "straw-man" argument.
You never even answered the first question. So let's start with that and keep it simple.
The first question was: would the same violinist with black skin have gotten more support on 14th street in Manhattan? I say "yes". What do you say?
I don't know. I don't live there. I'd like to think he'd be noticed but I don't know. It would depend on what the people around him thought about the music.
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Perhaps it's more about the novelty of using a bucket as an instrument than it has anything to do with white guilt or patronizing liberals.
If the situation pitted a young payot-wearing orthodox youth playing Klezmer accordion, and an old black man singing Robert Johnson songs on his acoustic guitar, which one do you believe would receive the most attention?
I don't know....I've never heard live music from an accordion. You can ask this question because you've most likely heard that type of music before. If they were playing "Play that Funky Music, White Boy", I'd sit and listen. :) But my answer is I don't know...I guess it would depend on the people who stop and listen to him.
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Of course?? You're that sure. At least the last time I was there, just about every other subway musician in New York is an old black man playing blues songs.
Was the age of the bucket drummer ever established? I can't imagine that anyone would take a grown man banging on a bucket, of any race, seriously. At the same time, I'd argue that most people will be more inclined to give their attention to a young "artist", regardless of race, ethnicity, or musical genre.
I didn't think of that, Kanaga. Great point.
I want to offer this up as proof that bucket banging is an actual talent....
Enjoy... Bring In Da Noise, Bring In Da Funk... Featuring Savion Glover and the entire talented cast.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6UUMlW8JuS4
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Lubab, this is for you...
People actually pay to see this..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ha_K11LNl08
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"Lubab, this is for you...
People actually pay to see this..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ha_K11LNl08"
I know they do, but doesn't that just prove my point?
That's like saying more people like Coca Cola than a 400 bottle dollar of wine and saying "you see, coca cola is no different from a fine cabarnet saveigne or whatever".
The reason you and the people who go to these types of shows don't appreciate classical music is because you never took a course called "Music appreciation" or any music theory course at a descent college which teaches you how to understand and appreciate what's going on in a classical peice. It takes a little more work to appreciate it, but when you do it's a million times better. Do you see that?
Now if most of the world is content with low quality because they never took the time to learn to appreciate the real stuff it just goes to show how lazy and dumb downed we've all become. Doesn't it? What am I missing?
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For Kananga,
The bucket drummer appeared to be in his late twenties to early thirties.
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I know they do, but doesn't that just prove my point.
That's like saying more people like Coca Cola than a 400 bottle dollar of wine and saying "you see, coca cola is no different from a fine cabarnet saveigne or whatever".
The reason you and the people who go to these types of shows don't appreciate classical music is because you never took a course called "Music appreciation" which teaches you how to understand and appreciate what's going on in a classical peice. It takes a little more work to appreciate it, but when you do it's a million times better. Do you see that?
Now if most of the world is content with low quality because they never took the time to learn to appreciate the real stuff it just goes to show how lazy and dumb downed we've all become. Doesn't it? What am I missing?
How do you know I never took Music Appreciation, or ANY music classes for that matter, lubab? LOL Did you go to school with me? When I was in high school, I was a soloist in our gospel choir and also competed in Classical Opera competitions with other schools while a member of our Girl's Chorus.. So I 'appreciate' music pretty well, thanks.
Low quality to you is a diamond in the rough to me. Do I HAVE to LOVE classical music because you love it? Let me change it around a little bit...What if I told you that your taste in music is too closed-off and that I think that you're missing a lot from not enjoying music by my favorite band.>Earth Wind and Fire?
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We all know this has nothing to do with classical music, hence the title of this thread. People patronize these types of performances mainly for the pure novelty aspect of it. What you appear to be arguing is not whether or not bucket drumming is a valid form of music ( which it is ), but the validity of the person bucket drummer as a musician. Your argument that because the person isn't classically trained percussionist that somehow the music the person is performing is not valid is nonsense. I'd go as far to say that it's more likely that a percussionist with classic training would have more appreciation of bucket drumming than your average spectator. How is that dumbing down?
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For Kananga,
The bucket drummer appeared to be in his late twenties to early thirties.
Well the attention given surely must have been out of novelty.
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We all know this has nothing to do with classical music, hence the title of this thread. People patronize these types of performances mainly for the pure novelty aspect of it. What you appear to be arguing is not whether or not bucket drumming is a valid form of music ( which it is ), but the validity of the person bucket drummer as a musician. Your argument that because the person isn't classically trained percussionist that somehow the music the person is performing is not valid is nonsense. I'd go as far to say that it's more likely that a percussionist with classic training would have more appreciation of bucket drumming than your average spectator. How is that dumbing down?
The underlying message here is that a dirty black man with a bucket shoudn't be getting attention because he's 'nothing' . However the well-trained white violinist is better because he obviously had some classical training and spent more time honing their craft, which makes him 'better'.
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People worship negros nowadays. I mean look at all the white girls obsessed with rap music and dating black men and what not. It's like watching the special olympics, their all challenged in some form so lets make them feel better. *Sigh*
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I know they do, but doesn't that just prove my point.
That's like saying more people like Coca Cola than a 400 bottle dollar of wine and saying "you see, coca cola is no different from a fine cabarnet saveigne or whatever".
The reason you and the people who go to these types of shows don't appreciate classical music is because you never took a course called "Music appreciation" which teaches you how to understand and appreciate what's going on in a classical peice. It takes a little more work to appreciate it, but when you do it's a million times better. Do you see that?
Now if most of the world is content with low quality because they never took the time to learn to appreciate the real stuff it just goes to show how lazy and dumb downed we've all become. Doesn't it? What am I missing?
How do you know I never took Music Appreciation, or ANY music classes for that matter, lubab? LOL Did you go to school with me? When I was in high school, I was a soloist in our gospel choir and also competed in Classical Opera competitions with other schools while a member of our Girl's Chorus.. So I 'appreciate' music pretty well, thanks.
Low quality to you is a diamond in the rough to me. Do I HAVE to LOVE classical music because you love it? Let me change it around a little bit...What if I told you that your taste in music is too closed-off and that I think that you're missing a lot from not enjoying music by my favorite band.>Earth Wind and Fire?
Exactly. Why can't a classically trained musican appreciate other forms and aspects of music outside of classical music. I can appreciate Rare Essence just as much as I can appreciate Rare Earth, Hildegard Von Bingen to Armand Van Helden, Take 6 to Anonymous 4.
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Why aren't you at least happy that this guy is a bucket banger instead of a 'gang banger'? This goes to show you that even at some black's lowest, even the smallest attempt at greatness can be looked past just because their 'talent' doesn't fit someone else's expectation.
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People worship negros nowadays. I mean look at all the white girls obsessed with rap music and dating black men and what not. It's like watching the special olympics, their all challenged in some form so lets make them feel better. *Sigh*
Ahh see.. there we have it. Bucket Drumming is about negro worship!! With all that bucket banging going on before you know it, lo and behold all da white wimins will start taking their clothes off and you wind up with one big interracial orgy!
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People worship negros nowadays. I mean look at all the white girls obsessed with rap music and dating black men and what not. It's like watching the special olympics, their all challenged in some form so lets make them feel better. *Sigh*
What has this got to do with white girls? I thought we were talking about music appreciation. A lot of stuffy people don't like black musicians (I'm not talking about rap artists, persay) but drummers, or bass players for that matter because they can't do what that artist does. This has NOTHING to do with dating black men...why must everything be so perverted here?
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People worship negros nowadays. I mean look at all the white girls obsessed with rap music and dating black men and what not. It's like watching the special olympics, their all challenged in some form so lets make them feel better. *Sigh*
Ahh see.. there we have it. Bucket Drumming is about negro worship!! With all that bucket banging going on before you know it, lo and behold all da white wimins will start taking their clothes off and you wind up with one big interracial orgy!
Exactly! LOL I had to snicker at that one, kananga. :D
Yes, this smelly homeless guy is just a white chick magnet! lol One beat of the drum and they're all over him... FUNNY.
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People worship negros nowadays. I mean look at all the white girls obsessed with rap music and dating black men and what not. It's like watching the special olympics, their all challenged in some form so lets make them feel better. *Sigh*
What has this got to do with white girls? I thought we were talking about music appreciation. A lot of stuffy people don't like black musicians (I'm not talking about rap artists, persay) but drummers, or bass players for that matter because they can't do what that artist does. This has NOTHING to do with dating black men...why must everything be so perverted here?
It has everything to do with it, culture is changing and your average white female is more inclined to listen to snoopdog and ludacris rather than real American music like heavy metal or country music or rock. Their culture is infecting us and as a result, people are inclined to figure the black man with his bongo and sticks are more talented than someone whos been practicing the piano or violin for 20 years or so.
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As far as white wummins go, the black man could very well be more talented. who gotz da most rivum?? da blacks or da whitz? :laugh: :D ;D
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People worship negros nowadays. I mean look at all the white girls obsessed with rap music and dating black men and what not. It's like watching the special olympics, their all challenged in some form so lets make them feel better. *Sigh*
What has this got to do with white girls? I thought we were talking about music appreciation. A lot of stuffy people don't like black musicians (I'm not talking about rap artists, persay) but drummers, or bass players for that matter because they can't do what that artist does. This has NOTHING to do with dating black men...why must everything be so perverted here?
It has everything to do with it, culture is changing and your average white female is more inclined to listen to snoopdog and ludacris rather than real American music like heavy metal or country music or rock. Their culture is infecting us and as a result, people are inclined to figure the black man with his bongo and sticks are more talented than someone whos been practicing the piano or violin for 20 years or so.
So now we're comparing a homeless black dude banging on a bucket in the subway to Ludacris and Snoop Dogg? Are you completely serious? Who ever mentioned anything about white women flocking to this homeless person anyway? If someone doesn't like your kind of music, is it right to guilt them into loving it?
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As far as white wummins go, the black man could very well be more talented. who gotz da most rivum?? da blacks or da whitz? :laugh: :D ;D
>:( Kananga, what did you just say?
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People worship negros nowadays. I mean look at all the white girls obsessed with rap music and dating black men and what not. It's like watching the special olympics, their all challenged in some form so lets make them feel better. *Sigh*
What has this got to do with white girls? I thought we were talking about music appreciation. A lot of stuffy people don't like black musicians (I'm not talking about rap artists, persay) but drummers, or bass players for that matter because they can't do what that artist does. This has NOTHING to do with dating black men...why must everything be so perverted here?
It has everything to do with it, culture is changing and your average white female is more inclined to listen to snoopdog and ludacris rather than real American music like heavy metal or country music or rock. Their culture is infecting us and as a result, people are inclined to figure the black man with his bongo and sticks are more talented than someone whos been practicing the piano or violin for 20 years or so.
So now we're comparing a homeless black dude banging on a bucket in the subway to Ludacris and Snoop Dogg? Are you completely serious? Who ever mentioned anything about white women flocking to this homeless person anyway? If someone doesn't like your kind of music, is it right to guilt them into loving it?
Nope but part of that reason is MTV is shoved down our youths throats, black history month, and teaching kids to be tolerant and sensitive towards black culture because of slavery in America and the whole rosa parks thing where she refused to go to the back of the bus. As a result, we're supposed to be tolerant of this new hip hop culture while black violence and gangs are shoved down our throat by the leftists and self hating Jews. It's perfectly acceptable for blacks to have rap music saying "Kill Whitey" and "[censored] the police" but hey, if a white guy says "hang that [censored]" or what not, the public goes in a uproar. It's "cool" to be black in this day of age, why else are all these kids dressing like wiggers with the whole baggy pants and blasting rap music while their cars going "BOOM BOOM BOOOM BOOOOOM!" with spinners on the cars and all? And what's up with all the kids talking in ebonics and saying "You kno what i'm sayin!"
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People worship negros nowadays. I mean look at all the white girls obsessed with rap music and dating black men and what not. It's like watching the special olympics, their all challenged in some form so lets make them feel better. *Sigh*
What has this got to do with white girls? I thought we were talking about music appreciation. A lot of stuffy people don't like black musicians (I'm not talking about rap artists, persay) but drummers, or bass players for that matter because they can't do what that artist does. This has NOTHING to do with dating black men...why must everything be so perverted here?
It has everything to do with it, culture is changing and your average white female is more inclined to listen to snoopdog and ludacris rather than real American music like heavy metal or country music or rock. Their culture is infecting us and as a result, people are inclined to figure the black man with his bongo and sticks are more talented than someone whos been practicing the piano or violin for 20 years or so.
So now we're comparing a homeless black dude banging on a bucket in the subway to Ludacris and Snoop Dogg? Are you completely serious? Who ever mentioned anything about white women flocking to this homeless person anyway? If someone doesn't like your kind of music, is it right to guilt them into loving it?
Nope but part of that reason is MTV is shoved down our youths throats, black history month, and teaching kids to be tolerant and sensitive towards black culture because of slavery in America and the whole rosa parks thing where she refused to go to the back of the bus. As a result, we're supposed to be tolerant of this new hip hop culture while black violence and gangs are shoved down our throat by the leftists and self hating Jews. It's perfectly acceptable for blacks to have rap music saying "Kill Whitey" and "deleted the police" but hey, if a white guy says "hang that schvartza" or what not, the public goes in a uproar. It's "cool" to be black in this day of age, why else are all these kids dressing like wiggers with the whole baggy pants and blasting rap music while their cars going "BOOM BOOM BOOOM BOOOOOM!" with spinners on the cars and all? And what's up with all the kids talking in ebonics and saying "You kno what i'm sayin!"
What has THIS got to do with a homeless man? Was he rapping? Was he driving an a car with the bass turned up?
And since when is teaching children to have common sense and to not judge a book by its cover shoving anything down your thoat? You said you hate EVERYONE...And the MTV concept was a white man's idea. lol Blame him for that. And those rap songs you mentioned were recorded 15 years ago. No one listens to that now. LOL Some of today's hip hop is about sex (I hate it)... Some of today's hip hop are about the latest dances...and some hip hop, since you brought up 15 year old hate whitey songs, are about loving each other as a people. But you wouldn't know that because you havent' listened to a hip hop song in 15 years.
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People worship negros nowadays. I mean look at all the white girls obsessed with rap music and dating black men and what not. It's like watching the special olympics, their all challenged in some form so lets make them feel better. *Sigh*
What has this got to do with white girls? I thought we were talking about music appreciation. A lot of stuffy people don't like black musicians (I'm not talking about rap artists, persay) but drummers, or bass players for that matter because they can't do what that artist does. This has NOTHING to do with dating black men...why must everything be so perverted here?
It has everything to do with it, culture is changing and your average white female is more inclined to listen to snoopdog and ludacris rather than real American music like heavy metal or country music or rock. Their culture is infecting us and as a result, people are inclined to figure the black man with his bongo and sticks are more talented than someone whos been practicing the piano or violin for 20 years or so.
So now we're comparing a homeless black dude banging on a bucket in the subway to Ludacris and Snoop Dogg? Are you completely serious? Who ever mentioned anything about white women flocking to this homeless person anyway? If someone doesn't like your kind of music, is it right to guilt them into loving it?
Nope but part of that reason is MTV is shoved down our youths throats, black history month, and teaching kids to be tolerant and sensitive towards black culture because of slavery in America and the whole rosa parks thing where she refused to go to the back of the bus. As a result, we're supposed to be tolerant of this new hip hop culture while black violence and gangs are shoved down our throat by the leftists and self hating Jews. It's perfectly acceptable for blacks to have rap music saying "Kill Whitey" and "deleted the police" but hey, if a white guy says "hang that schvartza" or what not, the public goes in a uproar. It's "cool" to be black in this day of age, why else are all these kids dressing like wiggers with the whole baggy pants and blasting rap music while their cars going "BOOM BOOM BOOOM BOOOOOM!" with spinners on the cars and all? And what's up with all the kids talking in ebonics and saying "You kno what i'm sayin!"
What has THIS got to do with a homeless man? Was he rapping? Was he driving an a car with the bass turned up?
And since when is teaching children to have common sense and to not judge a book by its cover shoving anything down your thoat? You said you hate EVERYONE...And the MTV concept was a white man's idea. lol Blame him for that. And those rap songs you mentioned were recorded 15 years ago. No one listens to that now. LOL Some of today's hip hop is about sex (I hate it)... Some of today's hip hop are about the latest dances...and some hip hop, since you brought up 15 year old hate whitey songs, are about loving each other as a people. But you wouldn't know that because you havent' listened to a hip hop song in 15 years.
Man, you really don't get what we're trying to say. We're talking about BLACK CULTURE AS A WHOLE. The savage bongo player is just a representation for that. The ghetto rapper is also a representation of that. We're talking about SCHVARTZA WORSHIP. That's what we are against, not some homeless person banging a bucket. You're not getting the big picture.
The whole point is that black culture is bad for everyone (including blacks) and can only have a negative effect on our society.
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Erica NEVER gets the point.
The point Lubab and others are so painfully trying to make is that:
* Because of the liberal media's schvartza-worship agenda, the public's taste has degenerated to a point where they see a primative making primative noises on a primative 'instrument' as a more desirable diversion than high culture.
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People worship negros nowadays. I mean look at all the white girls obsessed with rap music and dating black men and what not. It's like watching the special olympics, their all challenged in some form so lets make them feel better. *Sigh*
What has this got to do with white girls? I thought we were talking about music appreciation. A lot of stuffy people don't like black musicians (I'm not talking about rap artists, persay) but drummers, or bass players for that matter because they can't do what that artist does. This has NOTHING to do with dating black men...why must everything be so perverted here?
It has everything to do with it, culture is changing and your average white female is more inclined to listen to snoopdog and ludacris rather than real American music like heavy metal or country music or rock. Their culture is infecting us and as a result, people are inclined to figure the black man with his bongo and sticks are more talented than someone whos been practicing the piano or violin for 20 years or so.
So now we're comparing a homeless black dude banging on a bucket in the subway to Ludacris and Snoop Dogg? Are you completely serious? Who ever mentioned anything about white women flocking to this homeless person anyway? If someone doesn't like your kind of music, is it right to guilt them into loving it?
Nope but part of that reason is MTV is shoved down our youths throats, black history month, and teaching kids to be tolerant and sensitive towards black culture because of slavery in America and the whole rosa parks thing where she refused to go to the back of the bus. As a result, we're supposed to be tolerant of this new hip hop culture while black violence and gangs are shoved down our throat by the leftists and self hating Jews. It's perfectly acceptable for blacks to have rap music saying "Kill Whitey" and "deleted the police" but hey, if a white guy says "hang that schvartza" or what not, the public goes in a uproar. It's "cool" to be black in this day of age, why else are all these kids dressing like wiggers with the whole baggy pants and blasting rap music while their cars going "BOOM BOOM BOOOM BOOOOOM!" with spinners on the cars and all? And what's up with all the kids talking in ebonics and saying "You kno what i'm sayin!"
What has THIS got to do with a homeless man? Was he rapping? Was he driving an a car with the bass turned up?
And since when is teaching children to have common sense and to not judge a book by its cover shoving anything down your thoat? You said you hate EVERYONE...And the MTV concept was a white man's idea. lol Blame him for that. And those rap songs you mentioned were recorded 15 years ago. No one listens to that now. LOL Some of today's hip hop is about sex (I hate it)... Some of today's hip hop are about the latest dances...and some hip hop, since you brought up 15 year old hate whitey songs, are about loving each other as a people. But you wouldn't know that because you havent' listened to a hip hop song in 15 years.
Man, you really don't get what we're trying to say. We're talking about BLACK CULTURE AS A WHOLE. The savage bongo player is just a representation for that. The ghetto rapper is also a representation of that. We're talking about SCHVARTZA WORSHIP. That's what we are against, not some homeless person banging a bucket. You're not getting the big picture.
The whole point is that black culture is bad for everyone (including blacks) and can only have a negative effect on our society.
He wasn't a savage. From the definitions of savages you all speak of here are blacks or Islamics who cause trouble, hurt people and endanger others. What did this homeless bucket banger do that was so harmful physically to anyone? The big picture is that you're comparing a homeless guy drumming a beat to bad black culture. Good black culture is good for blacks...bad black culture is bad for everyone. Just for giggles, give me a list of bad black things, besides the obvious... drugs, gangs, ebonics, unwed mothers.... Give me something else.
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Erica NEVER gets the point.
The point Lubab and others are so painfully trying to make is that:
* Because of the liberal media's schvartza-worship agenda, the public's taste has degenerated to a point where they see a primative making primative noises on a primative 'instrument' as a more desirable diversion than high culture.
Then they'll always come back at us with "oh well ape music is just as valid" (I'm not talking about Jazz, blues, some reggae or soul because those WERE valid, I'm talking about the current black music that people are in love with) or that "well you're judging with your white standards which are biased against blacks" or some other relativistic non-sense. Just like everything else is relative for them. People can't even sit down and say, ok no, let's draw some lines here, rap is crap and there are many other forms of music that are better. That's the extent to which people are brainwashed these days to think that schvartzas are brilliant creators and have a wonderful culture. The fact that people even make these arguments that rap is just as valid as anything else is proof of this pro-schvartza, degredation of society mentality that people have. Because to say that black music is crap is RACIST!
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He wasn't a savage. From the definitions of savages you all speak of here are blacks or Islamics who cause trouble, hurt people and endanger others. What did this homeless bucket banger do that was so harmful physically to anyone? The big picture is that you're comparing a homeless guy drumming a beat to bad black culture. Good black culture is good for blacks...bad black culture is bad for everyone. Just for giggles, give me a list of bad black things, besides the obvious... drugs, gangs, ebonics, unwed mothers.... Give me something else.
The 'whitey keepin me down' mentallity
The 'I'm a criminal because of slavery' mentallity
the 'I can't pays da rent 'coz I's got to buy my $200 sneakers' mentallity.
Calling women hos & b*tches
wilding around in gangs
Hating Jews
Demanding jobs their not qualified for through AA
Breedin' & leavin'.
hangin' around the ghetto basketball court instead of working/ studying.
......I'm sure others can think of more.
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Erica NEVER gets the point.
The point Lubab and others are so painfully trying to make is that:
* Because of the liberal media's schvartza-worship agenda, the public's taste has degenerated to a point where they see a primative making primative noises on a primative 'instrument' as a more desirable diversion than high culture.
Then they'll always come back at us with "oh well ape music is just as valid" (I'm not talking about Jazz, blues, some reggae or soul because those WERE valid, I'm talking about the current black music that people are in love with) or that "well you're judging with your white standards which are biased against blacks" or some other relativistic non-sense. Just like everything else is relative for them. People can't even sit down and say, ok no, let's draw some lines here, rap is crap and there are many other forms of music that are better. That's the extent to which people are brainwashed these days to think that schvartzas are brilliant creators and have a wonderful culture. The fact that people even make these arguments that rap is just as valid as anything else is proof of this pro-schvartza, degredation of society mentality that people have. Because to say that black music is crap is RACIST!
I'd never tell you APE ANYTHING is valid. You are ignorant....you can't even speak proper English or use words in proper contest. Just because you don't like a certain kind of music, dosen't mean that everyone has to be on board with the kind of music YOU like. Is there some rule that says that blacks can't come up with different beats for songs or different melodies for songs ...that they have to like music that's inherently white or else?
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Erica NEVER gets the point.
The point Lubab and others are so painfully trying to make is that:
* Because of the liberal media's schvartza-worship agenda, the public's taste has degenerated to a point where they see a primative making primative noises on a primative 'instrument' as a more desirable diversion than high culture.
I'd never tell you APE ANYTHING is valid. You are ignorant....you can't even speak proper English or use words in proper contest. Just because you don't like a certain kind of music, dosen't mean that everyone has to be on board with the kind of music YOU like. Is there some rule that says that blacks can't come up with different beats for songs or different melodies for songs ...that they have to like music that's inherently white or else?
I can't even speak proper English or use words in A proper context? You're trying to tell me that I can't speak proper English and you don't even know the difference between the word contest and context. Haha. Funny
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I'm pretty sure that everyone understands me except you. Isn't it a coincidence that everyone understands the things that people are saying here except you?
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Erica NEVER gets the point.
The point Lubab and others are so painfully trying to make is that:
* Because of the liberal media's schvartza-worship agenda, the public's taste has degenerated to a point where they see a primative making primative noises on a primative 'instrument' as a more desirable diversion than high culture.
I'd never tell you APE ANYTHING is valid. You are ignorant....you can't even speak proper English or use words in proper contest. Just because you don't like a certain kind of music, dosen't mean that everyone has to be on board with the kind of music YOU like. Is there some rule that says that blacks can't come up with different beats for songs or different melodies for songs ...that they have to like music that's inherently white or else?
I can't even speak proper English or use words in A proper context? You're trying to tell me that I can't speak proper English and you don't even know the difference between the word contest and context. Haha. Funny
Oops, that was a typo. I meant "Context", Ze'ev. You've read where I've typed that word many times without mispelling it.
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Erica NEVER gets the point.
The point Lubab and others are so painfully trying to make is that:
* Because of the liberal media's schvartza-worship agenda, the public's taste has degenerated to a point where they see a primative making primative noises on a primative 'instrument' as a more desirable diversion than high culture.
Then they'll always come back at us with "oh well ape music is just as valid" (I'm not talking about Jazz, blues, some reggae or soul because those WERE valid, I'm talking about the current black music that people are in love with) or that "well you're judging with your white standards which are biased against blacks" or some other relativistic non-sense. Just like everything else is relative for them. People can't even sit down and say, ok no, let's draw some lines here, rap is crap and there are many other forms of music that are better. That's the extent to which people are brainwashed these days to think that schvartzas are brilliant creators and have a wonderful culture. The fact that people even make these arguments that rap is just as valid as anything else is proof of this pro-schvartza, degredation of society mentality that people have. Because to say that black music is crap is RACIST!
I'd never tell you APE ANYTHING is valid. You are ignorant....you can't even speak proper English or use words in proper contest. Just because you don't like a certain kind of music, dosen't mean that everyone has to be on board with the kind of music YOU like. Is there some rule that says that blacks can't come up with different beats for songs or different melodies for songs ...that they have to like music that's inherently white or else?
Anyway, I'm not going to make a retort to your ad hominem attacks, which is an argumentative method that you seem to love to use. Telling people that they can't speak English or that they're "ignant" does nothing to prove your point. If anything it makes your argument weaker because it makes it seem like you are grasping at straws because you don't have a legitimate argument.
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"YOU'RE IGNORANT!" is the standard resonse of race pimps, bleeding hearts and liberals to ANYBODY who presents facts and arguments that they cannot refute.
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Erica NEVER gets the point.
The point Lubab and others are so painfully trying to make is that:
* Because of the liberal media's schvartza-worship agenda, the public's taste has degenerated to a point where they see a primative making primative noises on a primative 'instrument' as a more desirable diversion than high culture.
Then they'll always come back at us with "oh well ape music is just as valid" (I'm not talking about Jazz, blues, some reggae or soul because those WERE valid, I'm talking about the current black music that people are in love with) or that "well you're judging with your white standards which are biased against blacks" or some other relativistic non-sense. Just like everything else is relative for them. People can't even sit down and say, ok no, let's draw some lines here, rap is crap and there are many other forms of music that are better. That's the extent to which people are brainwashed these days to think that schvartzas are brilliant creators and have a wonderful culture. The fact that people even make these arguments that rap is just as valid as anything else is proof of this pro-schvartza, degredation of society mentality that people have. Because to say that black music is crap is RACIST!
I'd never tell you APE ANYTHING is valid. You are ignorant....you can't even speak proper English or use words in proper contest. Just because you don't like a certain kind of music, dosen't mean that everyone has to be on board with the kind of music YOU like. Is there some rule that says that blacks can't come up with different beats for songs or different melodies for songs ...that they have to like music that's inherently white or else?
Anyway, I'm not going to make a retort to your ad hominem attacks, which is an argumentative method that you seem to love to use. Telling people that they can't speak English or that they're "ignant" does nothing to prove your point. If anything it makes your argument weaker because it makes it seem like you are grasping at straws because you don't have a legitimate argument.
What I'm telling you is to use real words, Ze'ev. How can you explain your hatred for blacks who use ebonics and then turn around and use ebonics to be funny. It makes you look stupid. My ARGUMENT is that you are full of double standards, blacks are stupid when they use ebonics, but you have a high IQ when YOU use it.
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"YOU'RE IGNORANT!" is the standard resonse of race pimps, bleeding hearts and liberals to ANYBODY who presents facts and arguments that they cannot refute.
Pretty much. When blacks do this it seems like they believe to have a tap into the divine source of knowledge that we mere whities could never be able to comprehend when in fact they just can't think of a good response to a logical argument. It's like a default response for them.
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"YOU'RE IGNORANT!" is the standard resonse of race pimps, bleeding hearts and liberals to ANYBODY who presents facts and arguments that they cannot refute.
Pretty much. When blacks do this it seems like they believe to have a tap into the divine source of knowledge that we mere whities could never be able to comprehend when in fact they just can't think of a good response to a logical argument. It's like a default response for them.
Actually that's my take on what YOU think about yourself. You think that because you're white that your skin color dicatates how superior, pure, and righteous you are. But you as a person as well as everyone else in the world who has a beating heart and blood flowing through your veins aren't perfect at all. How is speaking in Ebonics, logical? Surely if I'd come into this forum or this site acting a total and complete fool by using the 'language' to express myself you'd STILL say that I have a low IQ. Your double standards are stupid.
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"YOU'RE IGNORANT!" is the standard resonse of race pimps, bleeding hearts and liberals to ANYBODY who presents facts and arguments that they cannot refute.
Pretty much. When blacks do this it seems like they believe to have a tap into the divine source of knowledge that we mere whities could never be able to comprehend when in fact they just can't think of a good response to a logical argument. It's like a default response for them.
Actually that's my take on what YOU think about yourself. You think that because you're white that your skin color dicatates how superior, pure, and righteous you are. But you as a person as well as everyone else in the world who has a beating heart and blood flowing through your veins aren't perfect at all. How is speaking in Ebonics, logical? Surely if I'd come into this forum or this site acting a total and complete fool by using the 'language' to express myself you'd STILL say that I have a low IQ. Your double standards are stupid.
Acting like a fool by nature means you have a low IQ.
Acting a fool for the purpose of parody or illustration does not.
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"YOU'RE IGNORANT!" is the standard resonse of race pimps, bleeding hearts and liberals to ANYBODY who presents facts and arguments that they cannot refute.
Pretty much. When blacks do this it seems like they believe to have a tap into the divine source of knowledge that we mere whities could never be able to comprehend when in fact they just can't think of a good response to a logical argument. It's like a default response for them.
Actually that's my take on what YOU think about yourself. You think that because you're white that your skin color dicatates how superior, pure, and righteous you are. But you as a person as well as everyone else in the world who has a beating heart and blood flowing through your veins aren't perfect at all. How is speaking in Ebonics, logical? Surely if I'd come into this forum or this site acting a total and complete fool by using the 'language' to express myself you'd STILL say that I have a low IQ. Your double standards are stupid.
Acting like a fool by nature means you have a low IQ.
Acting a fool for the purpose of parody or illustration does not.
It actually DOES. Doing things just to make fun of a situation or a group of people is stupid. I can't just walk up to a Jewish person and mimmic their parents in Yiddish, because its disrespectful AND STUPID! I dare not ask why you'd use ebonics with or towards someone who hasn't used it ONCE in a conversation with you.
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It actually DOES. Doing things just to make fun of a situation or a group of people is stupid. I can't just walk up to a Jewish person and mimmic their parents in Yiddish, because its disrespectful AND STUPID! I dare not ask why you'd use ebonics with or towards someone who hasn't used it ONCE in a conversation with you.
Wrong again!
Chaim mimmicks the yiddish accents of self hating Jews all the time.
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It actually DOES. Doing things just to make fun of a situation or a group of people is stupid. I can't just walk up to a Jewish person and mimmic their parents in Yiddish, because its disrespectful AND STUPID! I dare not ask why you'd use ebonics with or towards someone who hasn't used it ONCE in a conversation with you.
Wrong again!
Chaim mimmicks the yiddish accents of self hating Jews all the time.
PERFECT... but my point is that you don't need to use ebonics with a black person who knows her way around the English language pretty well. When you do that, on purpose no less, you make it seem as though you're speaking to an idiot...and i'm definately not that.
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I don't think my skin color dictates anything. It has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with behavior. I would think the same thing about blacks if they had white skin. I definitely don't think I'm pure and righteous and I have never claimed to be.
I don't understand why blacks always have to make such a big deal about SKIN COLOR. That's not what we care about, so stop pretending like it's the only difference between blacks and other people. It's like they try to hide all the other obvious differences by claiming that it's just about skin color. It really annoys me when people make statements like, "It's stupid to make judgments about people just because of their skin color". Do some really believe that people think the way they do about blacks because their skin happens to be black? That's absurd. Don't kid yourselves, it's about BEHAVIOR.
Erica, when I was responding to newman about black people responding to an argument with "you're ignorant", I wasn't even referring to you. Look at the words I used: "blacks" "they" "them". It's pretty clear I wasn't talking about you, but blacks in general.
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I don't think my skin color dictates anything. It has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with behavior. I would think the same thing about blacks if they had white skin. I definitely don't think I'm pure and righteous and I have never claimed to be.
I don't understand why blacks always have to make such a big deal about SKIN COLOR. That's not what we care about, so stop pretending like it's the only difference between blacks and other people. It's like they try to hide all the other obvious differences by claiming that it's just about skin color. It really annoys me when people make statements like, "It's stupid to make judgments about people just because of their skin color". Do some really believe that people think the way they do about blacks because their skin happens to be black? That's absurd. Don't kid yourselves, it's about BEHAVIOR.
Erica, when I was responding to newman about black people responding to an argument with "you're ignorant", I wasn't even referring to you. Look at the words I used: "blacks" "they" "them". It's pretty clear I wasn't talking about you, but blacks in general.
How have I behaved here? Was I ever that black woman who exhibited 'TNB' as newman likes to put it? Did I EVER respond to you with ebonic terms? I've called a few names, and got really pissy but I never resorted to speaking in ebonics to get through to you...whether I was right or wrong.
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Another question unanswered.
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I can't believe no one answered these questions.
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Why aren't you at least happy that this guy is a bucket banger instead of a 'gang banger'? This goes to show you that even at some black's lowest, even the smallest attempt at greatness can be looked past just because their 'talent' doesn't fit someone else's expectation.
He was dressed like a gang banger which tells me that at the very least he associates with and supports that evil culture. At the worst he actually participates in those criminal activites. Either way, someone like that has earned the the title "savage".
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Why aren't you at least happy that this guy is a bucket banger instead of a 'gang banger'? This goes to show you that even at some black's lowest, even the smallest attempt at greatness can be looked past just because their 'talent' doesn't fit someone else's expectation.
He was dressed like a gang banger which tells me that at the very least he associates with and supports that evil culture. At the worst he actually participates in those criminal activites. Either way, someone like that has earned the the title "savage".
OMG, gang bangers don't 'waste their time' in subways playing on buckets. Gang bangers are often drug dealers who look down on street artists. Just because someone is dressed like an urban youth (or wearing gang clothes) dosen't mean they're a gang banger. Besides a gang banger would have knocked you in your head for not clapping for him...this homeless youth did not. And another thing, perhaps the clothes he was wearing were the only clothes he owned.
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Why aren't you at least happy that this guy is a bucket banger instead of a 'gang banger'? This goes to show you that even at some black's lowest, even the smallest attempt at greatness can be looked past just because their 'talent' doesn't fit someone else's expectation.
He was dressed like a gang banger which tells me that at the very least he associates with and supports that evil culture. At the worst he actually participates in those criminal activities. Either way, someone like that has earned the the title "savage".
OMG, gang bangers don't 'waste their time' in subways playing on buckets. Gang bangers are often drug dealers who look down on street artists. Just because someone is dressed like an urban youth (or wearing gang clothes) dosen't mean they're a gang banger. Besides a gang banger would have knocked you in your head for not clapping for him...this homeless youth did not. And another thing, perhaps the clothes he was wearing were the only clothes he owned.
How can you argue with someone who doesn't read what you say? Did I say he was definitely a gangbanger? Or did I say that "at worst
he was, and at best he supports that evil culture by adopting their look? He was not a youth-he was in his mid twenties at least and in all those years he could've walked down to salvation army or goodwill and picked up some clothes that civilized people wear. I've done that, so can he. Instead he chose the baggy pants prisoner look. (That's where it comes from you know, because they take away prisoner's belts their pants are baggy).
You like to give black people the benefit of the doubt, and that's understandable (hopefully you do it for whites equally).
The problem is you believe in relativism, and that means that no matter how upside-down a situation is you can always say "well you're looking at it right side up, look at it up side down and you'll see another side of things".
That is true, in a sense, but you must also realize there is also objective reality, there is a good and an evil and by the same token there is quality music food wine etc. and low quality in this world.
If you ignore that you're only seeing half the picture. And a half truth is a whole lie.
Only being a relativist is very dangerous, because eventually you will come to sympathize with evil people (because hey "the way they were brought up-it's not considered evil". You are the case in point.
P.S. (see if you can respond to people without using "LOL" or "OMG" for a change. In my opinion it doesn't suit someone who is capable of making real arguments (sometimes) like yourself.
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I know they do, but doesn't that just prove my point.
That's like saying more people like Coca Cola than a 400 bottle dollar of wine and saying "you see, coca cola is no different from a fine cabarnet saveigne or whatever".
The reason you and the people who go to these types of shows don't appreciate classical music is because you never took a course called "Music appreciation" which teaches you how to understand and appreciate what's going on in a classical peice. It takes a little more work to appreciate it, but when you do it's a million times better. Do you see that?
Now if most of the world is content with low quality because they never took the time to learn to appreciate the real stuff it just goes to show how lazy and dumb downed we've all become. Doesn't it? What am I missing?
How do you know I never took Music Appreciation, or ANY music classes for that matter, lubab? LOL Did you go to school with me? When I was in high school, I was a soloist in our gospel choir and also competed in Classical Opera competitions with other schools while a member of our Girl's Chorus.. So I 'appreciate' music pretty well, thanks.
Low quality to you is a diamond in the rough to me. Do I HAVE to LOVE classical music because you love it? Let me change it around a little bit...What if I told you that your taste in music is too closed-off and that I think that you're missing a lot from not enjoying music by my favorite band.>Earth Wind and Fire?
So I take it you have never taken a course which taught you how to understand what is going on in a classical peice. You know, a course that taught you how to find acsending and descending sequences, how to know a minuet when you see one and stuff like that.
You see, classical music for someone who's never studies it is like me reading a book in Chinese and saying "it's not really my thing". Yes classial music takes some study and hard word to appreciate. It's like understanding a foreign language. The tragedy is that soceity has been convinced that that is "lame" and primitive rap music is "cool" with all the culture of laziness, womanizing drug use and criminality that goes along with it.
Yes we do have a serious problem on our hands.
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...you appear to be arguing is not whether or not bucket drumming is a valid form of music ( which it is ), but the validity of the person bucket drummer as a musician.
No, we're speaking of society's tendency to gravitate towards that which is easy, lazy, quick, cheap, etc.
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Your argument that because the person isn't classically trained percussionist that somehow the music the person is performing is not valid is nonsense.
No. Our argument is that people are more interested in drums than in great violin playing.
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I'd go as far to say that it's more likely that a percussionist with classic training would have more appreciation of bucket drumming than your average spectator. How is that dumbing down?
Playing bucket drums and playing the violin require two completely different levels of skill.
Bucket drumming is more like an athletic activity than a high musical art.
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I'd go as far to say that it's more likely that a percussionist with classic training would have more appreciation of bucket drumming than your average spectator. How is that dumbing down?
Playing bucket drums and playing the violin require two completely different levels of skill.
Bucket drumming is more like an atletic activity than a high musical art.
Why? Because YOU say so?? It's only your own preference, and perhaps your own limitations to appreciate drumming, that you like violin more than drums.
For me, not only do I prefer drums to bowed string, but drumming and rhythms alone in music always resonate much more with me with melodic music void of any rhythmic accompaniment. A certain music may be classified as rhythmic just because it's rhythmic components are more pronounced. Rhythmic music exists among all tribes and all cultures. The only thing that makes it "savage" are these other factors you attribute to it that has NOTHING AT ALL to do with music.
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I advise to never enter in a cultural discussion about music with Scriabin
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No worries. It wouldn't be the first time I've gotten my butt kicked on a message board.
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I'd go as far to say that it's more likely that a percussionist with classic training would have more appreciation of bucket drumming than your average spectator. How is that dumbing down?
Playing bucket drums and playing the violin require two completely different levels of skill.
Bucket drumming is more like an athletic activity than a high musical art.
Why? Because YOU say so?? It's only your own preference, and perhaps your own limitations to appreciate drumming, that you like violin more than drums.
For me, not only do I prefer drums to bowed string, but drumming and rhythms alone in music always resonate much more with me with melodic music void of any rhythmic accompaniment. A certain music may be classified as rhythmic just because it's rhythmic components are more pronounced. Rhythmic music exists among all tribes and all cultures. The only thing that makes it "savage" are these other factors you attribute to it that has NOTHING AT ALL to do with music.
I love rhythm. Music wouldn't exist without it.
The fact of the matter is that rhythm is an aspect of violin playing...it is the totality of drumming.
I agree with you, rhythm IS important, but it isn't everything. Beethoven himself said that the most important element in his compositions was the rhythm...and it shows.
Still, there is more to Beethoven's incomparable music than just rhythm.
I don't understand your last sentence.
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This one?
"The only thing that makes IT "savage" are these other factors you attribute to it that has NOTHING AT ALL to do with music."
IT in this case being the bucket drumming. I argued before that the bucket itself is nothing more than a novelty, just as the Blue Men use the PVC pipe to make music or the example Erica gave. The novelty of the instrument doesn't detract from the coordination and percision required to create it's different sounds and accents. In the video you posted you can see the drummer manipulating the bucket with his feet and striking it in certain spots to create different tones. I only get the impression from your remarks on this thread that "drumming", with no respect to any sort of artistry or discipline somehow equates to savagery.
Now if you think I'm just blowing smoke up your donkey then consider the title of this thread. There has been nothing written here about the moral character of this person drumming on the bucket. Only by virtue of his color the case is being made here that drumming is primative and an expression of his savage nature.
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Yes. That's right. Blacks are assumed to be "savages" until they prove otherwise. The burden of proof is upon them because the vast majority behave like savages, are enemies of the Jewish people=enemies of G-d=evil (See the Bible) and therefore we can call them any names we please. If someone proves to me that they are a fine person-great, it doesn't apply to them. But it's a rare case.
Such a title is especially appropriate when by the person's dress we can see that they associate with and support that evil culture.
Now please someone come and tell me that the vast majority don't act like savages.
I live in a predominately black neighborhood in a predominately black building so I'm not just pulling this out of my rear end. I know this from first hand experience. "Savage" is a kind word for the way most of them act.
But we're getting off track. The tragedy here was not the bucket drummer himself but the reactions of the crowds and how we've gotten to this point.
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Yes. That's right. Blacks are assumed to be "savages" until they prove otherwise. The burden of proof is upon them because the vast majority behave like savages, are enemies of the Jewish people=enemies of G-d=evil (See the Bible) and therefore we can call them any names we please. If someone proves to me that they are a fine person-great, it doesn't apply to them. But it's a rare case.
Such a title is especially appropriate when by the person's dress we can see that they associate with and support that evil culture.
Now please someone come and tell me that the vast majority don't act like savages.
I live in a predominately black neighborhood in a predominately black building so I'm not just pulling this out of my rear end. I know this from first hand experience. "Savage" is a kind word for the way most of them act.
But we're getting off track. The tragedy here was not the bucket drummer himself but the reactions of the crowds and how we've gotten to this point.
You're absolutely right lubab. It's good to see that there are still people who can differentiate between good and evil.
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Why aren't you at least happy that this guy is a bucket banger instead of a 'gang banger'? This goes to show you that even at some black's lowest, even the smallest attempt at greatness can be looked past just because their 'talent' doesn't fit someone else's expectation.
He was dressed like a gang banger which tells me that at the very least he associates with and supports that evil culture. At the worst he actually participates in those criminal activities. Either way, someone like that has earned the the title "savage".
OMG, gang bangers don't 'waste their time' in subways playing on buckets. Gang bangers are often drug dealers who look down on street artists. Just because someone is dressed like an urban youth (or wearing gang clothes) dosen't mean they're a gang banger. Besides a gang banger would have knocked you in your head for not clapping for him...this homeless youth did not. And another thing, perhaps the clothes he was wearing were the only clothes he owned.
How can you argue with someone who doesn't read what you say? Did I say he was definitely a gangbanger? Or did I say that "at worst
he was, and at best he supports that evil culture by adopting their look? He was not a youth-he was in his mid twenties at least and in all those years he could've walked down to salvation army or goodwill and picked up some clothes that civilized people wear. I've done that, so can he. Instead he chose the baggy pants prisoner look. (That's where it comes from you know, because they take away prisoner's belts their pants are baggy).
You like to give black people the benefit of the doubt, and that's understandable (hopefully you do it for whites equally).
The problem is you believe in relativism, and that means that no matter how upside-down a situation is you can always say "well you're looking at it right side up, look at it up side down and you'll see another side of things".
That is true, in a sense, but you must also realize there is also objective reality, there is a good and an evil and by the same token there is quality music food wine etc. and low quality in this world.
If you ignore that you're only seeing half the picture. And a half truth is a whole lie.
Only being a relativist is very dangerous, because eventually you will come to sympathize with evil people (because hey "the way they were brought up-it's not considered evil". You are the case in point.
P.S. (see if you can respond to people without using "LOL" or "OMG" for a change. In my opinion it doesn't suit someone who is capable of making real arguments (sometimes) like yourself.
Which would you want to read "I BE >>>>" or OMG, an acronym for OH MY G_D... ? Talk to the ignorant friends you have here who can't type in English. Using ebonics to make a point about black people is pretty stupid in my opinion. At least the acronyms I use are actually a computer text language.
As far as me being a 'relativist' I'm sorry to disappoint you but I was wired that way. If I saw you walking down the street I wouldn't automatically think that by the way you dressed you were anything other than you are. A person. YOU aren't being objective at all. You're being a right fighter. Just because someone dosen't like or appreciate a peice of music,you call them uncultured. That's being judgmental because in REALITY you don't know WHAT that person knows.
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I know they do, but doesn't that just prove my point.
That's like saying more people like Coca Cola than a 400 bottle dollar of wine and saying "you see, coca cola is no different from a fine cabarnet saveigne or whatever".
The reason you and the people who go to these types of shows don't appreciate classical music is because you never took a course called "Music appreciation" which teaches you how to understand and appreciate what's going on in a classical peice. It takes a little more work to appreciate it, but when you do it's a million times better. Do you see that?
Now if most of the world is content with low quality because they never took the time to learn to appreciate the real stuff it just goes to show how lazy and dumb downed we've all become. Doesn't it? What am I missing?
How do you know I never took Music Appreciation, or ANY music classes for that matter, lubab? LOL Did you go to school with me? When I was in high school, I was a soloist in our gospel choir and also competed in Classical Opera competitions with other schools while a member of our Girl's Chorus.. So I 'appreciate' music pretty well, thanks.
Low quality to you is a diamond in the rough to me. Do I HAVE to LOVE classical music because you love it? Let me change it around a little bit...What if I told you that your taste in music is too closed-off and that I think that you're missing a lot from not enjoying music by my favorite band.>Earth Wind and Fire?
So I take it you have never taken a course which taught you how to understand what is going on in a classical peice. You know, a course that taught you how to find acsending and descending sequences, how to know a minuet when you see one and stuff like that.
You see, classical music for someone who's never studies it is like me reading a book in Chinese and saying "it's not really my thing". Yes classial music takes some study and hard word to appreciate. It's like understanding a foreign language. The tragedy is that soceity has been convinced that that is "lame" and primitive rap music is "cool" with all the culture of laziness, womanizing drug use and criminality that goes along with it.
Yes we do have a serious problem on our hands.
Actually I studied classical music in high school. I was actually a classical soloist in my choir as a teen and liked it...but didn't love it. However, I am not a classical connosueir but I know a little bit about it, enough to know that its not my style. I never said that classical music was lame, nor that rap music was cool (which you only said because I'm black). I just simply said that people don't have to have the same music taste you have.
You're angry with black men as a whole because of what you've seen on the movies and heard on the radio from rap music in passing. Be angry with the men who use hip hop as an excuse to berate women, womanize, and with boys who are lazy. Don't down the entire race because you feel that all of black America and its culture has contributed to the unappreciation of classical music. These are no longer the days of the powdered wig and Beethoven's 5th echoing in the background of castles full of aristocrats. Tastes evolved...and I'll have you know that hip hop music isn't the only music that sends a negative message to today's youth. Death Metal does also. Marilyn Manson, Rob Zombie and anyone screaming about separatism and evil not withstanding.
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As far as me being a 'relativist' I'm sorry to disappoint you but I was wired that way. If I saw you walking down the street I wouldn't automatically think that by the way you dressed you were anything other than you are. A person. YOU aren't being objective at all. You're being a right fighter. Just because someone dosen't like or appreciate a peice of music,you call them uncultured. That's being judgmental because in REALITY you don't know WHAT that person knows.
It's not true Erica. You make assumptions about people all the time that belie your relatvistic stance.
For instance when you go to the bank and there's someone behind the coutner wearing a suit and tie behind the glass, I bet you assume he's a cashier.
When you go to a doctor and you see someone with a long white coat I bet you assume he's the doctor and you act accordingly.
When you go to a Cubs game and you see someone playing on the field with a cubs uniform you assume he's a real member of the team not just an imposter.
If you were in a store and a guy came in and he was wearing nylon over his face you'd assume he's about to rob the place and would act accordingly (I hope).
You see such generalizations are the most natural and normal things in the world. This actually IS wired into you whether you realize it or not. It's part of our survival mechanisms as humans.
It's sad to say it, but when you see a black male in New York dressed that way it's a very safe bet that they are jealous and hateful of Jews white, it's even a pretty safe bet that they have a criminal record. It's a 97% safe bet that the person supports Nazi leaders such as Reggie Jackson. It's about as predicatable as the examples given above.
But somehow when it comes to people dressing in a way that imitates prisoners criminals and evil rappers all the sudden you want to just see "a person". All the sudden you refuse to draw the conclusions that any sane normal person would.
Well sell crazy somewhere else Erica, we're all stocked up here. ;)
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As far as me being a 'relativist' I'm sorry to disappoint you but I was wired that way. If I saw you walking down the street I wouldn't automatically think that by the way you dressed you were anything other than you are. A person. YOU aren't being objective at all. You're being a right fighter. Just because someone dosen't like or appreciate a peice of music,you call them uncultured. That's being judgmental because in REALITY you don't know WHAT that person knows.
It's not true Erica. You make assumptions about people all the time that belie your relatvistic stance.
For instance when you go to the bank and there's someone behind the coutner wearing a suit and tie behind the glass, I bet you assume he's a cashier.
When you go to a doctor and you see someone with a long white coat I bet you assume he's the doctor and you act accordingly.
When you go to a Cubs game and you see someone playing on the field with a cubs uniform you assume he's a real member of the team not just an imposter.
If you were in a store and a guy came in and he was wearing nylon over his face you'd assume he's about to rob the place and would act accordingly (I hope).
You see such generalizations are the most natural and normal things in the world. This actually IS wired into you whether you realize it or not. It's part of our survival mechanisms as humans.
But somehow when it comes to people dressing in a way that imitates prisoners criminals and evil rappers all the sudden you want to just see "a person". All the sudden you refuse to draw the conclusions that any sane normal person would.
Well sell crazy somewhere else Erica, we're all stocked up here. ;)
So I'm not sane or normal because I wouldnt' automatically assume that someone who is banging a bucket in the subway is a gang banger because he's wearing urban clothing? LOL I know men who wear business suits to work, but on their down time, they wear basketball jerseys, shorts and fancy tennis shoes. You would be that person looking at him as though he's a gangbanger (maybe) because his clothes and style 'dicate' to be gang banger fare.
Yes, I'll agree that we assume a lot of things on a daily basis but lots of people assume the worst of some people before they assume the best about them.
In what way do you think black men should dress...from head to toe? Just curious.
Also, if you saw a black man in a suit, would you jump to the conclusion that he's a banker?
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You don't even need to look at dress. You could just look at the fact that they have black skin and can assume with 97% accuracy that they support Jew haters for president.
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You could also look at skin color and assume with over 50% accuracy that a black male adult has a criminal record.
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These are painful facts. But they are facts. And we can't go around wearing blinders.
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You don't even need to look at dress. You could just look at the fact that they have black skin and can assume with 97% accuracy that they support Jew haters for president.
I'm laughing. :D (Apparently me typing "LOL" is offensive.) But since we're on the subject, do you think that everyone who votes against someone you'd vote for are Jew Haters?
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You could also look at skin color and assume with over 50% accuracy that a black male adult has a criminal record.
50% accuracy, huh? Wow. You're good.
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These are painful facts. But they are facts. And we can't go around wearing blinders.
Actually those aren't quite facts...those are observations, which aren't always dead on. I'd like to see you line up every black male in America (those who aren't in Jail) and tell which have good jobs and are supporting their families and those who are losers. That would be fun.
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Last week something funny happened to me. I saw 2 blacks arguing and one said to the other "you're so ugly and so black that you look like a freaking ape." When I got home, I couldn't stop laughing. ;D
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These are painful facts. But they are facts. And we can't go around wearing blinders.
Actually those aren't quite facts...those are observations, which aren't always dead on. I'd like to see you line up every black male in America (those who aren't in Jail) and tell which have good jobs and are supporting their families and those who are losers. That would be fun.
Actually, they ARE facts.
"Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. Hispanics commit violent crimes at about three times the white rate.
The proportion of blacks and Hispanics in an area is the single best indicator of how dangerous it is. The racial mix is a much better predictor of crime rates than poverty, unemployment, and dropout rates combined. "
http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm
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These are painful facts. But they are facts. And we can't go around wearing blinders.
Actually those aren't quite facts...those are observations, which aren't always dead on. I'd like to see you line up every black male in America (those who aren't in Jail) and tell which have good jobs and are supporting their families and those who are losers. That would be fun.
Actually, they ARE facts.
"Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. Hispanics commit violent crimes at about three times the white rate.
The proportion of blacks and Hispanics in an area is the single best indicator of how dangerous it is. The racial mix is a much better predictor of crime rates than poverty, unemployment, and dropout rates combined. "
http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm
I'm talking about observation, newman, not statistics. Do you leave your house everyday to stare at blacks and wonder whose store they knocked over last? The statistics are spot on..no doubt. But looking at someone and how they're dressed doesn't necessarily mean they are bad, right off.
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I'm talking about observation, newman, not statistics. Do you leave your house everyday to stare at blacks and wonder whose store they knocked over last? The statistics are spot on..no doubt. But looking at someone and how they're dressed doesn't necessarily mean they are bad, right off.
All we have are ODDS, based on statistics because NOBODY can conduct 30 minute interviews with all 300,000,000 Americans!!
Thus, we go with our most educated guess based on sight-alone.
If statistics and emperical evidence tell us that (for example) black males are 5 times more criminally inclined than white males we avoid black males dressed in the garb of criminals, gangstas or street bums!!!
Don't you get it?
Nobody on earth can get to know every person on a city street!! They go on sight and make a split second decision.....it's called survival. If they avoid a black man in gangsta clothing and it turns out he was harmless....so what? No harm done. If they don't avoid him and he's dangerous (and the statistics show that he probably is ), they're in strife.
Why wouldn't any sane person err on the side of caution?
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I'm talking about observation, newman, not statistics. Do you leave your house everyday to stare at blacks and wonder whose store they knocked over last? The statistics are spot on..no doubt. But looking at someone and how they're dressed doesn't necessarily mean they are bad, right off.
All we have are ODDS, based on statistics because NOBODY can conduct 30 minute interviews with all 300,000,000 Americans!!
Thus, we go with our most educated guess based on sight-alone.
If statistics and emperical evidence tell us that (for example) black males are 5 times more criminally inclined than white males we avoid black males dressed in the garb of criminals, gangstas or street bums!!!
Don't you get it?
Nobody on earth can get to know every person on a city street!! They go on sight and make a split second decision.....it's called survival. If they avoid a black man in gangsta clothing and it turns out he was harmless....so what? No harm done. If they don't avoid him and he's dangerous (and the statistics show that he probably is ), they're in strife.
Why wouldn't any sane person err on the side of caution?
I guess I'm naturally wary of any man coming toward me staring. Not just black, and not just in 'gangsta' clothing. There are bank robbers who choose to wear business suits while they're robbing everyone in the place.
I talk about ME and my life experiences here because I want to erase any doubt in anyone's mind here that I'm a bad person because I'm black. Its a defense mechanism I've over-used here but its hard to be black and be judged in this forum. I've been called everything from a 'n', to a crack whore here and I'm still feeling the sting of that everytime I comment to anyone here. When you respond in ebonics, you further insult me because you're making it seem as though I'm ignorant and would use that language toward you. I'm sensitive in that way.
But I digress...
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I'm talking about observation, newman, not statistics. Do you leave your house everyday to stare at blacks and wonder whose store they knocked over last? The statistics are spot on..no doubt. But looking at someone and how they're dressed doesn't necessarily mean they are bad, right off.
All we have are ODDS, based on statistics because NOBODY can conduct 30 minute interviews with all 300,000,000 Americans!!
Thus, we go with our most educated guess based on sight-alone.
If statistics and emperical evidence tell us that (for example) black males are 5 times more criminally inclined than white males we avoid black males dressed in the garb of criminals, gangstas or street bums!!!
Don't you get it?
Nobody on earth can get to know every person on a city street!! They go on sight and make a split second decision.....it's called survival. If they avoid a black man in gangsta clothing and it turns out he was harmless....so what? No harm done. If they don't avoid him and he's dangerous (and the statistics show that he probably is ), they're in strife.
Why wouldn't any sane person err on the side of caution?
I guess I'm naturally wary of any man coming toward me staring. Not just black, and not just in 'gangsta' clothing. There are bank robbers who choose to wear business suits while they're robbing everyone in the place.
I talk about ME and my life experiences here because I want to erase any doubt in anyone's mind here that I'm a bad person because I'm black. Its a defense mechanism I've over-used here but its hard to be black and be judged in this forum. I've been called everything from a 'n', to a crack whore here and I'm still feeling the sting of that everytime I comment to anyone here. When you respond in ebonics, you further insult me because you're making it seem as though I'm ignorant and would use that language toward you. I'm sensitive in that way.
But I digress...
Then stop "over-using" it. We KNOW you're NOT a welfare mamma, a mugger, a crack ho, a gangsta etc.
Why spend all this time defending yourself when you're not being attacked?
People make posts about gentiles being anti-semitic for 2,000 years. Do I carry on responding with......
"But I'M not"
"Not ALL gentiles do that"
"You don't know if a gentile is an anti-semite without knowing him"
.............?
No I don't, because it's STUPID and wastes everbody's time on the forum. If I was to assume evey comment about anti-semitic european/ christian gentiles was about ME, I'd spend every second defending myself UNNECCESSARILY.
Look at the posts we make about self-hating Jews.......... The jews on the forum don't assume we mean them.
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I'm talking about observation, newman, not statistics. Do you leave your house everyday to stare at blacks and wonder whose store they knocked over last? The statistics are spot on..no doubt. But looking at someone and how they're dressed doesn't necessarily mean they are bad, right off.
All we have are ODDS, based on statistics because NOBODY can conduct 30 minute interviews with all 300,000,000 Americans!!
Thus, we go with our most educated guess based on sight-alone.
If statistics and emperical evidence tell us that (for example) black males are 5 times more criminally inclined than white males we avoid black males dressed in the garb of criminals, gangstas or street bums!!!
Don't you get it?
Nobody on earth can get to know every person on a city street!! They go on sight and make a split second decision.....it's called survival. If they avoid a black man in gangsta clothing and it turns out he was harmless....so what? No harm done. If they don't avoid him and he's dangerous (and the statistics show that he probably is ), they're in strife.
Why wouldn't any sane person err on the side of caution?
I guess I'm naturally wary of any man coming toward me staring. Not just black, and not just in 'gangsta' clothing. There are bank robbers who choose to wear business suits while they're robbing everyone in the place.
I talk about ME and my life experiences here because I want to erase any doubt in anyone's mind here that I'm a bad person because I'm black. Its a defense mechanism I've over-used here but its hard to be black and be judged in this forum. I've been called everything from a 'n', to a crack whore here and I'm still feeling the sting of that everytime I comment to anyone here. When you respond in ebonics, you further insult me because you're making it seem as though I'm ignorant and would use that language toward you. I'm sensitive in that way.
But I digress...
Then stop "over-using" it. We KNOW you're NOT a welfare mamma, a mugger, a crack ho, a gangsta etc.
Why spend all this time defending yourself when you're not being attacked?
People make posts about gentiles being anti-semitic for 2,000 years. Do I carry on responding with......
"But I'M not"
"Not ALL gentiles do that"
"You don't know if a gentile is an anti-semite without knowing him"
.............?
No I don't, because it's STUPID and wastes everbody's time on the forum. If I was to assume evey comment about anti-semitic european/ christian gentiles was about ME, I'd spend every second defending myself UNNECCESSARILY.
Look at the posts we make about self-hating Jews.......... The jews on the forum don't assume we mean them.
When you talk about blacks you're dont' specify which group of blacks you're referring to...you just say blacks. If you'd say "Evil, lazy blacks" I woudn't assume you're talking about me. I know some evil, lazy, white man- blaming blacks' I'd assume you're talking about them. Also when you tell me "YOUR" people as if the bad blacks belong to me, you're making it seem as though I'd associate with bad blacks.
Yes, I've read the self-hating Jews comments, and the Jews here wouldn't think you're talking about them because you're using words to describe certain Jews. How do you think they'd react if you'd typed in "Jews are bleeding heart liberals." ?
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When you talk about blacks you're dont' specify which group of blacks you're referring to...you just say blacks. If you'd say "Evil, lazy blacks" I woudn't assume you're talking about me. I know some evil, lazy, white man- blaming blacks' I'd assume you're talking about them. Also when you tell me "YOUR" people as if the bad blacks belong to me, you're making it seem as though I'd associate with bad blacks.
Yes, I've read the self-hating Jews comments, and the Jews here wouldn't think you're talking about them because you're using words to describe certain Jews. How do you think they'd react if you'd typed in "Jews are bleeding heart liberals." ?
Because we're not talking about the same high percentages as there are with blacks.
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When you talk about blacks you're dont' specify which group of blacks you're referring to...you just say blacks. If you'd say "Evil, lazy blacks" I woudn't assume you're talking about me. I know some evil, lazy, white man- blaming blacks' I'd assume you're talking about them. Also when you tell me "YOUR" people as if the bad blacks belong to me, you're making it seem as though I'd associate with bad blacks.
Yes, I've read the self-hating Jews comments, and the Jews here wouldn't think you're talking about them because you're using words to describe certain Jews. How do you think they'd react if you'd typed in "Jews are bleeding heart liberals." ?
Because we're not talking about the same high percentages as there are with blacks.
So you're saying its perfectly okay to say "YOU" people, eventhough I may not be the person you're referring to? High percentages don't matter now. We've already established that I'm not part of the 'grand number' of evil blacks in America but why must you call them 'MY" people if I don't represent anything they're doing? Do you understand? Do you think that's fair? Why not call them out on their own?
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So you're saying its perfectly okay to say "YOU" people, eventhough I may not be the person you're referring to? High percentages don't matter now. We've already established that I'm not part of the 'grand number' of evil blacks in America but why must you call them 'MY" people if I don't represent anything they're doing? Do you understand? Do you think that's fair? Why not call them out on their own?
Because if you are going to allign yourself with and defend them, folks are going to say to you 'your people'.
If you attack the majority of blacks consistantly, people won't associate you with them. Your problem is that you only attack TNB sometimes and defend it the rest of the time.
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So you're saying its perfectly okay to say "YOU" people, eventhough I may not be the person you're referring to? High percentages don't matter now. We've already established that I'm not part of the 'grand number' of evil blacks in America but why must you call them 'MY" people if I don't represent anything they're doing? Do you understand? Do you think that's fair? Why not call them out on their own?
Because if you are going to allign yourself with and defend them, folks are going to say to you 'your people'.
If you attack the majority of blacks consistantly, people won't associate you with them. Your problem is that you only attack TNB sometimes and defend it the rest of the time.
I never aligned myself with evil black people. I've always attacked them and the way they think, and you know it. When have I ever defended someone who didn't deserve to be defended as an evil black person?
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Erica: True or false question: "Are there exponentially more black criminals than white criminals?" Only true false, not tangents like "I'm not one of the evil ones" or "go sit and talk with every black person in the world".
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Erica: True or false question: "Are there exponentially more black criminals than white criminals?" Only true false, not tangents like "I'm not one of the evil ones" or "go sit and talk with every black person in the world".
I answered that already, ...YES!!! When did I say there wasn't?
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So you're saying its perfectly okay to say "YOU" people, eventhough I may not be the person you're referring to? High percentages don't matter now. We've already established that I'm not part of the 'grand number' of evil blacks in America but why must you call them 'MY" people if I don't represent anything they're doing? Do you understand? Do you think that's fair? Why not call them out on their own?
Because if you are going to allign yourself with and defend them, folks are going to say to you 'your people'.
If you attack the majority of blacks consistantly, people won't associate you with them. Your problem is that you only attack TNB sometimes and defend it the rest of the time.
I never aligned myself with evil black people. I've always attacked them and the way they think, and you know it. When have I ever defended someone who didn't deserve to be defended as an evil black person?
Erica,
Have you notived that NOBODY says 'you people' to Cosmo despite the fact that his father is black?
The reason is that Cosmo ALWAYS decries black culture. He hates it. Nobody even thinks of Cosmo as black. Nobody even sees Allen Keys as black.....just a good American.
You may not directly defend muggers, but you're always trying to deny that the overwhelming problems of the black community are caused by black culture. You always try to fob it off with comments about ALL people doing bad things or not judging a book by it's cover etc.
Cosmo NEVER defends ANY aspect of black culture. Subsequently he doesn't get associated with it.
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So you're saying its perfectly okay to say "YOU" people, eventhough I may not be the person you're referring to? High percentages don't matter now. We've already established that I'm not part of the 'grand number' of evil blacks in America but why must you call them 'MY" people if I don't represent anything they're doing? Do you understand? Do you think that's fair? Why not call them out on their own?
Because if you are going to allign yourself with and defend them, folks are going to say to you 'your people'.
If you attack the majority of blacks consistantly, people won't associate you with them. Your problem is that you only attack TNB sometimes and defend it the rest of the time.
I never aligned myself with evil black people. I've always attacked them and the way they think, and you know it. When have I ever defended someone who didn't deserve to be defended as an evil black person?
Erica,
Have you notived that NOBODY says 'you people' to Cosmo despite the fact that his father is black?
The reason is that Cosmo ALWAYS decries black culture. He hates it. Nobody even thinks of Cosmo as black. Nobody even sees Allen Keys as black.....just a good American.
You may not directly defend muggers, but you're always trying to deny that the overwhelming problems of the black community are caused by black culture. You always try to fob it off with comments about ALL people doing bad things or not judging a book by it's cover etc.
Cosmo NEVER defends ANY aspect of black culture. Subsequently he doesn't get associated with it.
Because everyone here has told him to deny his father because he's black. So on one looks at him as a black man. I caught that early on. PLUS cosmo is completely on your side. That's why no one bothers him.
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So you're saying its perfectly okay to say "YOU" people, eventhough I may not be the person you're referring to? High percentages don't matter now. We've already established that I'm not part of the 'grand number' of evil blacks in America but why must you call them 'MY" people if I don't represent anything they're doing? Do you understand? Do you think that's fair? Why not call them out on their own?
Because if you are going to allign yourself with and defend them, folks are going to say to you 'your people'.
If you attack the majority of blacks consistantly, people won't associate you with them. Your problem is that you only attack TNB sometimes and defend it the rest of the time.
I never aligned myself with evil black people. I've always attacked them and the way they think, and you know it. When have I ever defended someone who didn't deserve to be defended as an evil black person?
Erica,
Have you notived that NOBODY says 'you people' to Cosmo despite the fact that his father is black?
The reason is that Cosmo ALWAYS decries black culture. He hates it. Nobody even thinks of Cosmo as black. Nobody even sees Allen Keys as black.....just a good American.
You may not directly defend muggers, but you're always trying to deny that the overwhelming problems of the black community are caused by black culture. You always try to fob it off with comments about ALL people doing bad things or not judging a book by it's cover etc.
Cosmo NEVER defends ANY aspect of black culture. Subsequently he doesn't get associated with it.
Also, because I praise good black culture I'm defending bad black culture? How is that, newman? And I never denied overwelming problems of black community being caused by EVIL black culture. The operative words are EVIL BLACK CULTURE. EVIL BLACK CULTURE is why people like you can't STAND blacks at all. But wait, you think good black culture is evil also. ::)
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OK, I'll try to settle this. There are good blacks and bad blacks. I've personally met some good Blacks and I work for one right now. Most are bad though.
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So you're saying its perfectly okay to say "YOU" people, eventhough I may not be the person you're referring to? High percentages don't matter now. We've already established that I'm not part of the 'grand number' of evil blacks in America but why must you call them 'MY" people if I don't represent anything they're doing? Do you understand? Do you think that's fair? Why not call them out on their own?
Because if you are going to allign yourself with and defend them, folks are going to say to you 'your people'.
If you attack the majority of blacks consistantly, people won't associate you with them. Your problem is that you only attack TNB sometimes and defend it the rest of the time.
Imerica's quote... May 30, 2007, 07:22:02 PM
...However I have admitted that the black community has a problem that makes it hard for people to assimilate around every one of us.
May 30, 2007, 07:55:30 PM
I can't express this strongly enough... for everyone else... I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN THE BLACK CULTURE THAT ISN'T GOOD. I AM NOT BLIND, STUPID, OR EVIL. Just because I'm not fighting fire with fire, like some of you, it dosen't mean I'm not fighting in other ways. You think people who speak of peace and finding alternative routes to take when fighting the good fight against the bad people are evil. Great. Whatever. But I assure you that me teaching my children right from wrong will save you a lot of grief in the long run. Because if I nor their dad wasn't present in their lives they would/could very well turn out like those in the black community you hate.
Quote from: ItalianZionist on June 02, 2007, 11:30:18 PM
You're right the jews shouldn't be happy about the Holocaust, just as you should not be happy about your ancestor's suffering. But more AfroAmericans should realize that they did increase their standard of living by coming here and stop acting as if they are suffering just as badly as their ancestors did.
Response from Imerica: June 02, 2007, 11:32:38 PM »
I agree that the slave mentality needs to stop and has needed to be stopped a long time ago... people who were born free shouldn't act like they're still in chains.
Quote from Imerica: June 03, 2007, 03:23:26 PM »
To cjd...
And the black youth of today DO need to learn the truth..that blacks did sell other blacks into slavery but they also need to know what happened during the trip to America and what happened once they arrived to America. If you want to tell the truth...tell the entire truth. Not the truth as YOU want to see it.
Quote from Imerica: May 02, 2007, 07:00:59 AM »
Thank you for this thread. Everything in it. I'd rather be disagreed with than have my family or myself disrespected.
If you've read my responses to the letter about Farrakhan and Sharpton, I call them dispicable men when it comes to their so called civil rights activism. I did say that I respected the fact that Sharpton and Jackson helped blacks recieve jobs...that's on a professional level. On a personal level, I think that they could use some time in a Jewish community to see how Jewish people really are without making snap judgements about their culture. On that front, they are part of the problem.
Quote from Imerica: June 09, 2007, 11:51:56 AM » to Allen T.
What boggles the mind (well, at least mine) ... is that every point I make against evil black culture goes unrecognized, then I'm accused of standing with them. I understand that most of you here only know and have only witnessed the bad in the black community. I'm not slighting you on that. But what I will say is that even with my knowledge of the evils in black culture, if I'm don't remain positive that "A Change Is Gonna Come" (Sam Cooke), I'll be just like those evil blacks who don't want anything for their lives. And I won't expose my children nor myself to that. Sorry.
Quote from Imerica: to CJDJune 09, 2007, 01:24:58 PM »
Now YOU're misquoting me. I never told anyone here to ignore what evil blacks do. I've actually said over and over again that I don't appreciate evil blacks EITHER. And I made no excuses for them being the way they are. NONE.
Quote from Imerica:June 09, 2007, 01:47:47 PM »
I never told anyone here to ignore evil blacks...nor did I say that you shouldn't criticize them. That would make me a hypocrite because I am against them and I say it here. What I DID say, and perhaps you got it mixed up, was that eventhough I know there are evil blacks in our culture, my time is spent raising my children NOT to be like them. If I focused on the evils of the black community all of the time, I'd never get anything positive done in my own home.
I'm in agreement with you here who don't like evil black people...I've said that over and over and over...... again.
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More "Erica is against Evil Blacks" Quotes:June 09, 2007, 07:52:01 PM »
Yes, I'm against Affirmative Action because its turned into this monster that can't be controlled. The problem with it isn't that it exists, its the way in which our country allows it to exist. The fact that some blacks and women can pull the AA card when they want a job or placement in a school.
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Quote from: newman on June 22, 2007, 07:32:52 AM
Newman:
I don't want to hurt the feelings of nice blacks with enough white blood or culural indoctrination to make them civilised, but I agree with you two guys. Segregation is the only answer.schvartzas can't be happy in their situation. It's like putting a C grade average kid in the mensa class.... it doesn't lift them up but makes them feel inferior and then resentful and mal adjusted. As humans, blacks need self determination in their own natural environment without competition from a culture that they are unsuited for. I do not include well adjusted law abiding middle class schvartzas in this....but certainly the ghetto criminals.
Imerica:
Ghetto is a mindset where it use to be just 'where you live'. Ignorance is what's eating the black community up.
More Imerica:
I don't think I'm qualified to tell people where they belong unless they've comitted some monumental wrong...for instance murdered, raped, beaten ANYONE. They belong under the jail..yes this includes blacks who kill each other because they have nothing better to do (which is a cop out). I don't think that people who like rap should be separated from the rest of the black community just because they like a different genre of music. There are some people who like rap who dont' participate in the evils of it. As for the aborigines, I like seeing or reading about their culture and how they are constantly evolving, however slowly in Australia. They should be free to do as they please because its part of their cultural make-up. I could offer the Amish people of America who take on the lives of the Quakers of yesteryear. If you're not hurting anyone, you should be left alone.
May 02, 2007, 08:39:53 AM »
I know what the problem is. Yes, statistically, blacks commit more crimes but I tend not to think about the bad things in the black community. That may make you angry but if I thought about the bad in the world ALL of the time, I'd get nothing done. I'd bite my nails waiting for the other shoe to drop. I can't afford to do that when I have a family to raise. I'm preparing my girls for the bad things in the community/society as a whole as well as the good things. And believe it or not, there is more than just 'bad' going on in the black community. Did you know that the black culture, just like it has a dark side,with evil people also has a good side, with good people? That those of us who don't follow the gangster mentality actually have a way of making the good in us shine?
May 08, 2007, 11:16:17 PM » Quote
By the way, what I'm rejecting of the black culture is the violence and stereotypes. I don't and won't reject the good that's represented in the black community/culture. That part, I'll treasure for the rest of my life. However I keep the bad things that happen in the black community in my mind to use it as a template of how not to raise my girls.