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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ari on October 15, 2007, 08:56:04 PM
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If you were stranded and knew you would die if you did not eat? I ask this because I was recently reminded about that soccer or rugby team that crashed in the Alps (I think) back in the '70s. They all would have perished if they did not eat their fellow teammates who were killed in the initial plane crash. Personally, I think I would rather die, though hopefully I will never be faced with such a tragic situation. Moreover, human meat is not kosher, and I assume it's pretty high in cholesterol.
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No, I saw the movie about this, it was called Alive....I dont think I could, but I suppose Ive never been faced with a life and death situation, guess you only know for sure if it happens
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These questions are getting crazy! What ar we now Silence of the Lamb? LOL! :D
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It's hard to say what a desperate person is capable of doing but I'd like to think that if I were in that situation, you could start measuring me for a pine box. I do not think I would resort to canibalism.
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In the movie they seemed a little delirious from the hunger, were seeing things etc...I think it made them temporarily crazy.
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No, I saw the movie about this, it was called Alive....I dont think I could, but I suppose Ive never been faced with a life and death situation, guess you only know for sure if it happens
Kelly, you said the same thing I was going to say. I remember seeing 'ALIVE" and I think that in dire consequences, I'd have no choice...hoever, I'd wrestle and kill a wild polarbear for fur and food before eating my best friend. lol
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Exactly, there was snow to melt, for water, they were hydrated, but the hunger did make them crazy....i cant recall if there were any animals around.
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If it ment survival thats a tough call cause I wouldn't want to be someone else's dinner, I don't eat McDonalds cause you do not know what they put in those barf burgers.
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I choose #2. If its life and death, you have to prevent your own death. (even if you want to die you are commanded to live and have to act accordingly.) It probably would be disgusting but its survival and all kosher issues are put aside since you have to survive.
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If it ment survival thats a tough call cause I wouldn't want to be someone else's dinner, I don't eat McDonalds cause you do not know what they put in those barf burgers.
Probably schvartza meat! ;D
In Israel, someone once said they sell cat meat there. What a stupid affirmative action restaurant.
Could you be more racist?
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Yaac, doesn't Pikuach Nefesh override the idea of the impurity of human blood and meat?
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Yaac, doesn't Pikuach Nefesh override the idea of the impurity of human blood and meat?
Personal Pikuah Nefesh overides everything except the 3 sins, Adultry, Murder, and Idolatry. Also Making a public Hillul Hashe-m,
and Milhemet Mitzva but thats for the nation as a whole.
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wait did you just watch the movie "Alive"?
i mean, if it meant I had to survive and the person was already dead and there was nothing to eat to survive, I think it would be permitted even to do that...Gd wants us to choose life in these situations...
but it's grim..and Gd forbid we ever be placed in that situation.
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Yaac, doesn't Pikuach Nefesh override the idea of the impurity of human blood and meat?
Personal Pikuah Nefesh overides everything except the 3 sins, Adultry, Murder, and Idolatry. Also Making a public Hillul Hashem,
and Milhemet Mitzva but thats for the nation as a whole.
exactly what i was thinking...except what is Milhemet Mitzva?
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Yaac, doesn't Pikuach Nefesh override the idea of the impurity of human blood and meat?
Personal Pikuah Nefesh overides everything except the 3 sins, Adultry, Murder, and Idolatry. Also Making a public Hillul Hashem,
and Milhemet Mitzva but thats for the nation as a whole.
exactly what i was thinking...except what is Milhemet Mitzva?
A required/obligatory war.
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I've heard human taste good in BBQ sauce.
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Someone from Mexico was accused of eating his girlfriend and maybe a prostitute. The guy was an obsessed fan of Hannibal Lector...Yikes!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7042126.stm
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Exactly, there was snow to melt, for water, they were hydrated, but the hunger did make them crazy....i cant recall if there were any animals around.
They were at an 18,000 ft altitude, there is not enough oxygen for plant life to survive, so there won't be any animals either.
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Well, when I was a little child of 11, I began to be vegetarian. My mother was afraid it may be harmful for my health, however the doctor respected my choise and took care not to give me even a medicine that might contain some animal substance.
At that time I was pagan and worshipped the Sun and Nature. My idea was that all beings were good (animals, plants), but humans were evil. So, when my mother insisted that I should eat meat, I always replied, "I'll try to eat if you let me eat the butcher first, why would I eat an innocent cow, and let the butcher alive? He would kill me if I were a cow!"
At that time I had my own garden, several palms trees b/c I sympathised with African cannibals, and Sunflowers b/c The Sun would protect my garden in case of a storm, and he wouldn't let his flower to be destroyed.
Now that I have known Hashem, I wouldn't eat human meat. But if it is a life death situation and Torah commands it for Pikuach Nefesh.......May HaShem never put me in that situation.
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I would absolutely eat a person if I was caught in a life or death situation. I wouldn't hesitate at all, survival trumps nearly everything for me. Except killing an innocent person, I don't think I would kill an innocent person if in that situation, but it's hard to tell what I would do. If it was a retarded or person of less worth than I think I'm worth, I would probably kill that person. I know that sounds awful, but I think that's what I would do and most people would do the same.
What about killing a Muslim if you had to do so to survive? I wouldn't hesitate to kill a Muslim to save my life, or even a few of them. Maybe that's a huge sin as well, but I would still do it.
To our Torah scholars, is there anything written about whether it would be ok to murder someone to save your life if the person you would be murdering is an enemy of the Jewish people, or isn't entirely "innocent."
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I would absolutely eat a person if I was caught in a life or death situation. I wouldn't hesitate at all, survival trumps nearly everything for me. Except killing an innocent person, I don't think I would kill an innocent person if in that situation, but it's hard to tell what I would do. If it was a retarded or person of less worth than I think I'm worth, I would probably kill that person. I know that sounds awful, but I think that's what I would do and most people would do the same.
What about killing a Muslim if you had to do so to survive? I wouldn't hesitate to kill a Muslim to save my life, or even a few of them. Maybe that's a huge sin as well, but I would still do it.
To our Torah scholars, is there anything written about whether it would be ok to murder someone to save your life if the person you would be murdering is an enemy of the Jewish people, or isn't entirely "innocent."
You want to eat muslim meat? Yikes! think all those germs and parasites those pisslamic animals carry. ::)
I don't know for sure what i woud do in those kind of situation; but I think they're things more important than physicall survivall; and civilised people from west shuld have more dignity and higher moral standarts than bunch of szwartzas from Kongo or Papua New Guinea; so i voted last option. :-\
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In a life or death situation I sure would, but I'd kill & eat those with the lowest IQs first..............so look out shvartzas & arabs.
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No, I saw the movie about this, it was called Alive....I dont think I could, but I suppose Ive never been faced with a life and death situation, guess you only know for sure if it happens
Kelly, you said the same thing I was going to say. I remember seeing 'ALIVE" and I think that in dire consequences, I'd have no choice...hoever, I'd wrestle and kill a wild polarbear for fur and food before eating my best friend. lol
Erica, you'd eat a human in an instant!
It's in your blood!
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I wouldn't eat a dead person if they didn't give me permission to do so after they died...and i would hope the same if I were to die before them...
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Would you eat another person?
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? WHAT KIND OF STUPID QUESTION IS THAT? IS THIS SOME KIND OF JOKE?
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In reality, I would rather die.
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Only a Shvartza does things like than.. cannibalistic inhumane monsters
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If it was a retarded or person of less worth than I think I'm worth, I would probably kill that person.
This reminds me of someone very not nice. :o Surely you don't mean that a retarded person is of less worth than other people do you?
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If it was a retarded or person of less worth than I think I'm worth, I would probably kill that person.
This reminds me of someone very not nice. :o Surely you don't mean that a retarded person is of less worth than other people do you?
Yeah, I think a retarded person is of less worth then other "normal" people. I know that's not nice but I'm just being honest and truthful. I know most people would agree with me on this one, but are probably unwilling to say so. I'm not saying I would do any harm to them, I actually have lots of sympathy for mentally handicapped people and I always stick up for them when people make fun of them. I used to laugh at mentally handicapped people but I never do anymore, and I just feel awful that they have to live their lives like that. In severe cases of mental retardation, sometimes I think it would have been the nice thing to do for the child and the parents if the child was aborted. I know this isn't a popular stance either but I think that those children end up leading miserable lives, and it makes the lives of their family members miserable.
I would never harm a mentally retarded person or do anything mean to one, I'm just saying that in a life or death situation, when it came down to it and I had absolutely no other way to live, I would not hesitate to kill a mentally retarded person.
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In a life or death situation I sure would, but I'd kill & eat those with the lowest IQs first..............so look out shvartzas & arabs.
Yeah, this is the policy I think I would adhere to in the situation.
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This is a very weird topic. ::)
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Only if there was absolutely no other way to survive. But most of the time there are, you just have to educate yourself, ever watch the tv show Survivor Man? You can learn a lot about surviving in wildernesses from that show. I plan on educating myself on how to survive in an emergency/wilderness situation, we all should.
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Its a wierd topic, but it did actually happen to a group of people.
No one said "with a nice quiante and fava beans " :laugh:
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Its a wierd topic, but it did actually happen to a group of people.
No one said "with a nice quiante and fava beans " :laugh:
Good one! :::D
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Or a side of condolezza rice. ;)
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Or a side of condolezza rice
thats too old and bitter and rotten to the core.
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Ya know, she is what I call a home girl and I mean it.she acts like one.I can't stand her.
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Re: "...I think it's disgusting to eat a schvartza. Why would someone want to eat one?..."
Some meat lovers just prefer "dark meat".
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I think it's disgusting to eat a schvartza. Why would someone want to eat one?
If you peeled off the skin, there's no difference between a schvartza's meat and anyone else's. Human flesh is the same regardless of race. The skin does look particularly unappetizing though, I'll give you that.
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As concerns the delight of eating human flesh, I submit a quote from former Ugandan Dictator Idi "Big Daddy" Amin:
"hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm!"...
"Haha ha hahah!"...
"Tastes just like TIGER-MEAT!!!...only saltier!"
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(http://www.badmovies.org/movies/chud/chud2.jpg)
Only when toxic waste infects my water supply. :D
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If it was a retarded or person of less worth than I think I'm worth, I would probably kill that person.
This reminds me of someone very not nice. :o Surely you don't mean that a retarded person is of less worth than other people do you?
Yeah, I think a retarded person is of less worth then other "normal" people. I know that's not nice but I'm just being honest and truthful. I know most people would agree with me on this one, but are probably unwilling to say so. I'm not saying I would do any harm to them, I actually have lots of sympathy for mentally handicapped people and I always stick up for them when people make fun of them. I used to laugh at mentally handicapped people but I never do anymore, and I just feel awful that they have to live their lives like that. In severe cases of mental retardation, sometimes I think it would have been the nice thing to do for the child and the parents if the child was aborted. I know this isn't a popular stance either but I think that those children end up leading miserable lives, and it makes the lives of their family members miserable.
I would never harm a mentally retarded person or do anything mean to one, I'm just saying that in a life or death situation, when it came down to it and I had absolutely no other way to live, I would not hesitate to kill a mentally retarded person.
I completly disagree with you. If what you are writing is correct, and you would kill a "retarded" person, then you are nothing but a murderer. It wasnt "chance" that made them the way they are, G-d made them the way they are for his purposes and you cant judge to say what is good for them or not. According to you its okay to kill most people, because to tell you the truth most people are depressed and stressed out most of the time- becuase of work and lifes difficulties.
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To destroy mine enemies I would eat anyone!LOL
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To destroy mine enemies I would eat anyone!LOL
LOL! you are cool!
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If it was a retarded or person of less worth than I think I'm worth, I would probably kill that person.
This reminds me of someone very not nice. :o Surely you don't mean that a retarded person is of less worth than other people do you?
Yeah, I think a retarded person is of less worth then other "normal" people. I know that's not nice but I'm just being honest and truthful. I know most people would agree with me on this one, but are probably unwilling to say so. I'm not saying I would do any harm to them, I actually have lots of sympathy for mentally handicapped people and I always stick up for them when people make fun of them. I used to laugh at mentally handicapped people but I never do anymore, and I just feel awful that they have to live their lives like that. In severe cases of mental retardation, sometimes I think it would have been the nice thing to do for the child and the parents if the child was aborted. I know this isn't a popular stance either but I think that those children end up leading miserable lives, and it makes the lives of their family members miserable.
I would never harm a mentally retarded person or do anything mean to one, I'm just saying that in a life or death situation, when it came down to it and I had absolutely no other way to live, I would not hesitate to kill a mentally retarded person.
I completly disagree with you. If what you are writing is correct, and you would kill a "retarded" person, then you are nothing but a murderer. It wasnt "chance" that made them the way they are, G-d made them the way they are for his purposes and you cant judge to say what is good for them or not. According to you its okay to kill most people, because to tell you the truth most people are depressed and stressed out most of the time- becuase of work and lifes difficulties.
Although I cannot judge and say that I deserve to live more than a retarded person in a 100% chance of death situation, you cannot say that the retarded person has a reason to live more than me in G-d's plan, so you couldn't tell me to kill the retarded person. If I gave my life up for the retarded person, and G-d had big plans for me and nothing much for the retarded person, I would be going against G-d's will. Since it is not possible at that point to know what purposes G-d put you or the retarded person on the planet for, you could be violating God's will if you let yourself die, or if you killed the retarded person. In that state of unknowing, I would err on the side of saving my own life.
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Thank you jasmine!
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If it was a retarded or person of less worth than I think I'm worth, I would probably kill that person.
This reminds me of someone very not nice. :o Surely you don't mean that a retarded person is of less worth than other people do you?
Yeah, I think a retarded person is of less worth then other "normal" people. I know that's not nice but I'm just being honest and truthful. I know most people would agree with me on this one, but are probably unwilling to say so. I'm not saying I would do any harm to them, I actually have lots of sympathy for mentally handicapped people and I always stick up for them when people make fun of them. I used to laugh at mentally handicapped people but I never do anymore, and I just feel awful that they have to live their lives like that. In severe cases of mental retardation, sometimes I think it would have been the nice thing to do for the child and the parents if the child was aborted. I know this isn't a popular stance either but I think that those children end up leading miserable lives, and it makes the lives of their family members miserable.
I would never harm a mentally retarded person or do anything mean to one, I'm just saying that in a life or death situation, when it came down to it and I had absolutely no other way to live, I would not hesitate to kill a mentally retarded person.
I completly disagree with you. If what you are writing is correct, and you would kill a "retarded" person, then you are nothing but a murderer. It wasnt "chance" that made them the way they are, G-d made them the way they are for his purposes and you cant judge to say what is good for them or not. According to you its okay to kill most people, because to tell you the truth most people are depressed and stressed out most of the time- becuase of work and lifes difficulties.
Although I cannot judge and say that I deserve to live more than a retarded person in a 100% chance of death situation, you cannot say that the retarded person has a reason to live more than me in G-d's plan, so you couldn't tell me to kill the retarded person. If I gave my life up for the retarded person, and G-d had big plans for me and nothing much for the retarded person, I would be going against G-d's will. Since it is not possible at that point to know what purposes G-d put you or the retarded person on the planet for, you could be violating G-d's will if you let yourself die, or if you killed the retarded person. In that state of unknowing, I would err on the side of saving my own life.
This is a different situation you just described. In this situation you would have to save your life first regardless if the other person is "retarded" or not.
Ill give an example - if you are stuck in the desert and you have only 1 bottle of water (just the emount where you can survive- any less and you will be dead). Its you and someone else with you- Do you
A) Share the water and both die.
B) Keep the water for yourself and if necessary fight for it.
C) Give the water to the other person
- the correct answer is B. You are first and formost responsible to take care of your life.
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If it was a retarded or person of less worth than I think I'm worth, I would probably kill that person.
This reminds me of someone very not nice. :o Surely you don't mean that a retarded person is of less worth than other people do you?
Yeah, I think a retarded person is of less worth then other "normal" people. I know that's not nice but I'm just being honest and truthful. I know most people would agree with me on this one, but are probably unwilling to say so. I'm not saying I would do any harm to them, I actually have lots of sympathy for mentally handicapped people and I always stick up for them when people make fun of them. I used to laugh at mentally handicapped people but I never do anymore, and I just feel awful that they have to live their lives like that. In severe cases of mental retardation, sometimes I think it would have been the nice thing to do for the child and the parents if the child was aborted. I know this isn't a popular stance either but I think that those children end up leading miserable lives, and it makes the lives of their family members miserable.
I would never harm a mentally retarded person or do anything mean to one, I'm just saying that in a life or death situation, when it came down to it and I had absolutely no other way to live, I would not hesitate to kill a mentally retarded person.
I completly disagree with you. If what you are writing is correct, and you would kill a "retarded" person, then you are nothing but a murderer. It wasnt "chance" that made them the way they are, G-d made them the way they are for his purposes and you cant judge to say what is good for them or not. According to you its okay to kill most people, because to tell you the truth most people are depressed and stressed out most of the time- becuase of work and lifes difficulties.
Although I cannot judge and say that I deserve to live more than a retarded person in a 100% chance of death situation, you cannot say that the retarded person has a reason to live more than me in G-d's plan, so you couldn't tell me to kill the retarded person. If I gave my life up for the retarded person, and G-d had big plans for me and nothing much for the retarded person, I would be going against G-d's will. Since it is not possible at that point to know what purposes G-d put you or the retarded person on the planet for, you could be violating G-d's will if you let yourself die, or if you killed the retarded person. In that state of unknowing, I would err on the side of saving my own life.
This is a different situation you just described. In this situation you would have to save your life first regardless if the other person is "retarded" or not.
Ill give an example - if you are stuck in the desert and you have only 1 bottle of water (just the emount where you can survive- any less and you will be dead). Its you and someone else with you- Do you
A) Share the water and both die.
B) Keep the water for yourself and if necessary fight for it.
C) Give the water to the other person
- the correct answer is B. You are first and formost responsible to take care of your life.
So what if you were stuck in a cave and there were people attempting to rescue you but it would take 9 days to drill through the rock to get to you, and you only had water but didn't have food and you would have an 100% chance of dying if you did not kill the other person and eat him and if one or the other did not kill and eat the other during those 9 days, you would both die.. If you say that you are first and foremost responsible to care for your own life, then you would be justified in killing him and eating him? The only difference in both of the scenarios is that in your scenario, you would be leading to the other's death by not giving him water, where in my scenario you would be actively killing him. How is it murder if you hit someone over the head with a rock, but it's not murder if you deprive someone of water and let him die of thirst?
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Hmmm.Do I have mustard?
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Great poll question... wish I would've thought it first!
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Getting hungry.LOL
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I would eat another person with salt a little pepper, white crusty bread. Human fresh is meant to be sweeter than pork, so I think a nice white wine to wash it down.
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you are a sick person Infidel.LOL
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you are a sick person Infidel.LOL
LOL yeah baby O0
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When would you LOCK this stupid thread???
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Yes i agree this thread should be locked
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me too