Is selfhate for the right reasons reighteous?

[Ulli]

Is selfhate for the right reasons reighteous?

We all know god exspects certain things from us. If we see him and his endlessness and his perfection we feel small. If we catch what he commands us to do, we feel sad, because we know we are far from perfection.

If we hate us for our mistakes it is in my oppinion the first step to correction.

I think this righteous selfhate is one of our greatest abilities. Althrough without god it turns into secular selfhate. This secular selfhate is part of a secular replacement theology and imo a heresy.

So I voted yes.

[Rubystars]

I don't think God wants us to hate ourselves because He doesn't hate us. We should seek to please God out of love.

[mord]

I don't think G-d wants us to hate ourselves because He doesn't hate us. We should seek to please G-d out of love.

No G-D doesn't want us to hate ourselves but perhaps that's a natural happening when we see how none righteous we are

[Rubystars]

I don't think G-d wants us to hate ourselves because He doesn't hate us. We should seek to please G-d out of love.

No G-D doesn't want us to hate ourselves but perhaps thats a natural happening when we see how  none rightgeous we are

I think everyone makes mistakes and we shouldn't hate ourselves for this. We should take a positive approach in trying to do better.

[Ulli]

I don't think G-d wants us to hate ourselves because He doesn't hate us. We should seek to please G-d out of love.

But his wrath can be terrible. So he threatens us with punishment if we don't do what he says. So it seems to be not only love. Perhaps it is a mix 

I hate myself if I do evil things, even small things.

So if I stole movies by downloading it without paying or for smoking sometimes a cigarrette althrough it is unhealthy and god says that we should not do unhealthy things on purpose 

[Rubystars]

I don't know how things were done when you were young Pheasant but when I was young people used to share videotapes they'd bought so other people could borrow them and watch them. File sharing is exactly the same thing. Nothing is stolen, the person is just sharing the movie they bought with you. If the big corporations lose money this can only be a good thing anyway.

[Ulli]

I don't know how things were done when you were young Pheasant but when I was young people used to share videotapes they'd bought so other people could borrow them and watch them. File sharing is exactly the same thing. Nothing is stolen, the person is just sharing the movie they bought with you. If the big corporations lose money this can only be a good thing anyway.

Big cooperations are private institutions too. We are not allowed to cheat them. Althrough I did sometimes.

Yes in my youth I had a C64 and an Amiga. I had lots of illigal copies, but this don't mean this is not stealing. 

I had never a TV, so this video issue was never an issue for me. It only becomes it today, because of the internet.

[Lisa]

Interesting...I went to hear a rabbi speak last night.  He was talking about sins, forgiveness etc.  He said, we need to verbalize our sins, and more importantly, to be embarrassed by them, in order to repent.  So I don't think it has to do with self hatred.  But that's just my opinion.

[Rubystars]

Interesting...I went to hear a rabbi speak last night.  He was talking about sins, forgiveness etc.  He said, we need to verbalize our sins, and more importantly, to be embarrassed by them, in order to repent.  So I don't think it has to do with self hatred.  But that's just my opinion.

I agree with him that we should feel bad about our sins. If we don't then we can't really repent of them sincerely. However I don't think this should cross over into self-hatred.

[muman613]

I don't know how things were done when you were young Pheasant but when I was young people used to share videotapes they'd bought so other people could borrow them and watch them. File sharing is exactly the same thing. Nothing is stolen, the person is just sharing the movie they bought with you. If the big corporations lose money this can only be a good thing anyway.

Rubystar,

I dont agree and the laws dont agree and Torah doesnt agree. It is stealing if you obtain something which you did not create without paying for it. You cannot aquire anything which is not yours without paying the price. You did not create the content, someone else worked hard to create it, it is not yours to take as you please. I dont think it is good to condone illegal activity.

muman613

PS: When I was young I too was involved in pirating software. It is very good that Pheasant feels regret for what he did in his youth. I too regret a lot of the things I did in my 20s.

[muman613]

Interesting...I went to hear a rabbi speak last night.  He was talking about sins, forgiveness etc.  He said, we need to verbalize our sins, and more importantly, to be embarrassed by them, in order to repent.  So I don't think it has to do with self hatred.  But that's just my opinion.

Lisa,

Are you talking about the laws of Teshuva, repentence. Many rabbis will be talking about this this month as we are preparing for Rosh Hashana. Right now is the best time for repentence...

In order to be forgiven of sins one must honestly regret doing the sin. If  they are in the same situation they must be able to resist doing the same sin. In cases of sins between man and man you must obtain forgiveness from the one you wronged.

muman613

[Americanhero1]

I don't know how things were done when you were young Pheasant but when I was young people used to share videotapes they'd bought so other people could borrow them and watch them. File sharing is exactly the same thing. Nothing is stolen, the person is just sharing the movie they bought with you. If the big corporations lose money this can only be a good thing anyway.

Rubystar,

I dont agree and the laws dont agree and Torah doesnt agree. It is stealing if you obtain something which you did not create without paying for it. You cannot aquire anything which is not yours without paying the price. You did not create the content, someone else worked hard to create it, it is not yours to take as you please. I dont think it is good to condone illegal activity.

muman613

PS: When I was young I too was involved in pirating software. It is very good that Pheasant feels regret for what he did in his youth. I too regret a lot of the things I did in my 20s.

So you are telling me that if your friend has a movie on DVD and you borrow it you are stealing because you did not buy your own DVD?

[Rubystars]

I don't condone illegal activity. Letting someone watch a movie you bought is not illegal. 

[Shamgar]

I don't hate myself. I think that is self destructive. I hate that I sin and that I should spend more time reading the Bible and following God's will instead of my own.

[Shamgar]

I don't know how things were done when you were young Pheasant but when I was young people used to share videotapes they'd bought so other people could borrow them and watch them. File sharing is exactly the same thing. Nothing is stolen, the person is just sharing the movie they bought with you. If the big corporations lose money this can only be a good thing anyway.

Rubystar,

I dont agree and the laws dont agree and Torah doesnt agree. It is stealing if you obtain something which you did not create without paying for it. You cannot aquire anything which is not yours without paying the price. You did not create the content, someone else worked hard to create it, it is not yours to take as you please. I dont think it is good to condone illegal activity.

muman613

PS: When I was young I too was involved in pirating software. It is very good that Pheasant feels regret for what he did in his youth. I too regret a lot of the things I did in my 20s.

So you are telling me that if your friend has a movie on DVD and you borrow it you are stealing because you did not buy your own DVD?

It is only bad if it is a naughty movie. I would be afraid to borrow any of yours.

[Americanhero1]

I don't hate myself. I think that is self destructive. I hate that I sin and that I should spend more time reading the Bible and following G-d's will instead of my own.

[Americanhero1]

I don't know how things were done when you were young Pheasant but when I was young people used to share videotapes they'd bought so other people could borrow them and watch them. File sharing is exactly the same thing. Nothing is stolen, the person is just sharing the movie they bought with you. If the big corporations lose money this can only be a good thing anyway.

Rubystar,

I dont agree and the laws dont agree and Torah doesnt agree. It is stealing if you obtain something which you did not create without paying for it. You cannot aquire anything which is not yours without paying the price. You did not create the content, someone else worked hard to create it, it is not yours to take as you please. I dont think it is good to condone illegal activity.

muman613

PS: When I was young I too was involved in pirating software. It is very good that Pheasant feels regret for what he did in his youth. I too regret a lot of the things I did in my 20s.

So you are telling me that if your friend has a movie on DVD and you borrow it you are stealing because you did not buy your own DVD?

It is only bad if it is a naughty movie. I would be afraid to borrow any of yours.

I HAVE BEEN CAUGHT

[Zelhar]

I try to avoid hate altogether.

[Dr. Dan]

i dont' understand your question and explanation.

[Ulli]

i dont' understand your question and explanation.

Sorry

I said, that if we hate us for our mistakes, we have a greater impulse to correct ourselves and become more righteous.

[muman613]

I don't know how things were done when you were young Pheasant but when I was young people used to share videotapes they'd bought so other people could borrow them and watch them. File sharing is exactly the same thing. Nothing is stolen, the person is just sharing the movie they bought with you. If the big corporations lose money this can only be a good thing anyway.

Rubystar,

I dont agree and the laws dont agree and Torah doesnt agree. It is stealing if you obtain something which you did not create without paying for it. You cannot aquire anything which is not yours without paying the price. You did not create the content, someone else worked hard to create it, it is not yours to take as you please. I dont think it is good to condone illegal activity.

muman613

PS: When I was young I too was involved in pirating software. It is very good that Pheasant feels regret for what he did in his youth. I too regret a lot of the things I did in my 20s.

So you are telling me that if your friend has a movie on DVD and you borrow it you are stealing because you did not buy your own DVD?

No that is not stealing.. What is stealing is if you take that DVD from your friend, stick it into your computer and make a copy of it to your hard drive. You have stolen the content and made a copy which you consider your own. As long as the media is on the original item purchased I think there is no question about the legality. It is illegal to make copies for your own use from movies you borrow or rent. Rental doesnt mean you have a right to copy.

muman613