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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2007, 02:49:37 PM »
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If a fellow Jew would pose a threat against you and would want to kill you

This doesn't apply. How does this relate to Rabin ? Rabin did not DELIBERATLEY want to kill any Jews. He like many others erronously thought you could make peace with the Arabs by surrendering land. In the long run he was doing what he thought was best for Israel.

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Your comment about democracy is laughable. Who cares about democracy. Where does it say in the Torah that you have to follow any of the rules of the majority in Israel.

Why is it laughable ? Did Rabin not get elected. Did the Labour Party & its supporters overthrow the governement ? Where does it say in the Torah that you can kill a Jew.

I hate Shmolmert with all my guts but that doesn't give me the right to kill him. 

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Don't forget the Jewish land, property, and holy sites that were destroyed. Not just Gush Katif and Northern Samaria. Joseph's Tomb was destroyed and The Shalom Al-Yisrael Synagogue in Jericho was burned to the ground. And they surrendered historical and archeological sites in Jericho as well. Jericho National Park should be an Israeli national park. It has the remains of the oldest city in The World (Even older than Biblical Man) and it is no longer part a National Park because The PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis occupy it and they most likely removed all Hebrew writing from exhibits there. YIMACH SHEMAM VEZICHRAM!

I am against any withdrawls.
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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2007, 02:57:06 PM »
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If a fellow Jew would pose a threat against you and would want to kill you

This doesn't apply. How does this relate to Rabin ? Rabin did not DELIBERATLEY want to kill any Jews. He like many others erronously thought you could make peace with the Arabs by surrendering land. In the long run he was doing what he thought was best for Israel.

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Your comment about democracy is laughable. Who cares about democracy. Where does it say in the Torah that you have to follow any of the rules of the majority in Israel.

Why is it laughable ? Did Rabin not get elected. Did the Labour Party & its supporters overthrow the governement ? Where does it say in the Torah that you can kill a Jew.

I hate Shmolmert with all my guts but that doesn't give me the right to kill him. 

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Don't forget the Jewish land, property, and holy sites that were destroyed. Not just Gush Katif and Northern Samaria. Joseph's Tomb was destroyed and The Shalom Al-Yisrael Synagogue in Jericho was burned to the ground. And they surrendered historical and archeological sites in Jericho as well. Jericho National Park should be an Israeli national park. It has the remains of the oldest city in The World (Even older than Biblical Man) and it is no longer part a National Park because The PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis occupy it and they most likely removed all Hebrew writing from exhibits there. YIMACH SHEMAM VEZICHRAM!

I am against any withdrawls.


DILEBRETELY ?
He didnt diliberatly shoot Jewish men at the altalena incident?
 He didnt dilebratly run the state and furthur trying to currupt Jewish souls with anti-Judaism state run schools, media and the whole system. 
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‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2007, 03:48:54 PM »
Merkava and Tzvi, you both are attacking the same problem but from different angles.  Of course the Torah says not to MURDER while killing is absolutely fine.  A very good example is when G-d told Joshaua to drive them out or when, in Genesis, HaShem killed off those evil people from the flood, Sodom and Gamorrah, Egyptians, Jews in the Sinai and the command for Joshaua to "drive them out" etc. for a full liberation of Eretz Yisrael.  Sadly, today we have not learnd thanks to the infection of Globalism, Egalitarianism and "multiculturalism" to "tolerate" many savages that profess to cultures, faiths and amoral beleifs that cause "thorns in thine eyes and thistles in thine side"....  The Jews then, like today, must DRIVE them OUT and make a JEWISH State as commanded in the Bible...imo..

This is the case where I believe the Talmud goes into immense detail about the difference between Murder and Killing as I briefly stated earlier with the Jewish concepts of Kidush HaShem and Chilul HaShem (National Sanctification of HaShem and National Disgracing of HaShem's name). 

I, personally, don't know two much about Yigal Amir but I am of the opinion that, like Perez, Ben Gurion, Olmert, Beilin and many others, Yitzak Rabin was a Socialist Judenrot with little pride nor respect for Jews, Jewish history, Jewish culture and most assuradly Judaism.  On that regard, like Dr. Goldstein, I do hope one day there will be a park or even a highway named after them. 

There are many Jewish anti-Jews of little self worth, that do immense damage to Jewry in their quest towards "utopia"; in this case a "Jewish" Utopia with the main example: Perfidy- Ben Hect which too outlines the Aetalina affair. 

You know, if one is a Christian that happens to be reading this you might read up on the Jacobins or the Fabian Socialist Society and see the "Christian" anti-Christians working to undermine Christians and Christianity...

.....to be continued......
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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2007, 06:15:52 AM »
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He's a hero not a "bastard" like you describe him. Watch you language.

No disrespect Tzvi but your hypocracy is second to none.

Yigal killed a fellow Jew. Thats agaist G-d's will.....and you have the nerve for crtiticizing someone for eating pork ? You talk about G-d's will and how much we should follow the Mitzvot and you seem to be encouraging us to do the complete opposite.

It appears that someone's Kosherness is more important than the life of a fellow Jew.... Sad stuff.

Rabin was no saint but we don't dispose of our own leaders by killing them. At the end of the day - HE WAS ELECTED
What are you talking about?  There are many examples of heros in Jewish History of Jews killing other un/non-Jewish Jews.  In 167 BCE, after Antiochus issued decrees in Judea forbidding Jewish religious practice, a rural Jewish priest from Modiin, Mattathias the Hasmonean, sparked the revolt against the Seleucid empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods. Mattathias slew a Hellenistic Jew (like Rabin, Perez, Chomsky, Marx, Olmert, Beilin etc.) who stepped forward to offer a sacrifice to an idol in Mattathias' place. He and his five sons fled to the wilderness of Judea. After Mattathias' death about one year later, his son Yahuda haMaccabee led an army of Jewish dissidents to victory over the Seleucid dynasty's Hellenized occupation.    Pharisees Jews, like Yahuda haMaccabee killed many Greek/Hellenized Sadducees during this revolt/civil war... no?

So qq, you like SBT.  I like him as well, although I do not agree with everything he places forward.  Do you agree that Yigal Amir murdered Yitzak Rabin and disserves the death penalty, or do you believe that, (now polls are showing over 50% have their suspicians re: Government corruption) what Amir did was akin to a real Jew acting against an anti-Jew in trying to stop this awarding the murders of Jews with another Bolistinian State in the heartland of Biblica Judea? 

I simply don't know.  SBT seems to disregard any and all information that lessens the degree of what happened for Yigal Amir.......

I am convinced, as Barry Chamish , and I think Natan Gefen too, have shown, that Yigal Amir DID NOT kill Yitzchak Rabin.   Israeli Intelligence was behind the people that shot him, he was shot after he got or was pushed into the car.

Even if he had killed him, and leaving aside the moral and halachic issues of doing so. It didn`t help, it led to shimon peres being elected next prime minister.  He did not stop anything.

We know little of yigal amir`s motives. Do not assume he was even some great jew following what he thought was Halacha.   From what I understand, he had a background in intelligence himself, he was a trainee lawyer.  Do not think he did not know what was going on, I think it is very likely that he was in on the plan to frame the right. I recall reading in Chamish`s book, a written source showing that he actually described a whole conspiracy shortly after being arrested, or maybe under interrogation.   But later he went quiet about that.

And I think it likely that the source I mentioned, that police records say he was a pedophile , is accurate. He was ideal for israeli intelligence to use since he could be blackmailed.

And even if he we pretend that he thought he was following halacha, then considering what he did, you have to be absolutely sure what he did was halachically correct. I am not even close to sure.

And shooting prime ministers sets a bad precedent.

I am interested in where you read about the maccabees - to apply it here?  I know they are not mentioned in kahane audio or video currently available online.   You could be right about militarily removing evil.. It is an interesting example..  I asked a rabbi about it, and he said see story about pinchas and zimri, it is similar.  He wasn`t that clear, but when I said "I thought it needed a temple and sanhedrin and witnesses and the guy to agree, .. " before you can do the death penalty. He said this is a serious sin, leading the people to idolatry.   I didn`t get a halachic source for it though. That`d be the important thing!

THe maccabees are quite deep into the bible, if there at all, they may even be only  apocryphal
Maccabees 1 and 2  <-- apocryphal i think - prob not allowed to read it.
midrash chanukah
Megillat antiochus
I have not read any of them.   I doubt most jews have.
And I have never really been that into history.. I`ll get to it eventually!



I`d like to know what neturei karta would make of that. They think we have to be subservient to the nations.

I asked a rabbi about moses killing the egyptian - how that was halachic if the halacha is somebody coming to kill you kill him first. He said there is a tradition that the egyptian was beating the hebrew to death, and the halacha is if somebody is coming to kill anybody(just a fellow jew?), then kill him first. A knowledgeable jew agreed, and said "We are all responsible for one another, I am my brother`s keeper" . He also said,  that even if the egyptian was not going to kill the hebrew, moses would`ve been right to strike - not necessarily kill - but strike, the egyptian, because we do not gamble with each others lives.

SBT is very intellectual and interesting, but when I started listening to israel national radio, he left, then DBA came, I stayed listening, then he left, and I mostly stopped listening. Apart from the odd interview tamar yonah does. You can discover interesting people just from googling the name of the interviewee sometimes. Though I haven`t done that in a along while

The pinchas and zimri thing, and maccabees are things I only really now ran into/ thought about, since your post. I haven`t got any answers on them yet.  I`m glad you brought it up..

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2007, 08:34:04 AM »
If he was going to start sacrifices for other gods then in essence he was no longer a Jew was he ?

Rabin who was also Jewish was democratically elected by the people of the state of Israel. Only the people or G-d have the right to remove him. No one had the right to kill him.



Once again, you and I have very similar intellects and opinions. Pretty soon, people on here are going to suspect us to be the same person ;)

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2007, 10:30:26 AM »
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DILEBRETELY ?
He didnt diliberatly shoot Jewish men at the altalena incident?
No one ever said that Yitzak was innocent.

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He didnt dilebratly run the state and furthur trying to currupt Jewish souls with anti-Judaism state run schools, media and the whole system.

How exactly did he corrupt Jewish souls? Was it by allowing Jurassic Park & Cheeseburgers into the state ?




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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2007, 10:31:23 AM »
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Once again, you and I have very similar intellects and opinions. Pretty soon, people on here are going to suspect us to be the same person

Great minds think alike !  :)
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