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New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« on: October 24, 2007, 07:59:50 PM »
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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2007, 09:12:29 PM »
too bad a good Jew still sits in jail
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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2007, 09:26:46 PM »
divorced her husband
I can't support this under any circumstances. What she did is terribly, horribly wrong, regardless of what a noble Jewish martyr Amir is. I have no respect for Mrs. Amir whatsoever. She desecrated her marriage and her entire womanhood.

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2007, 09:29:18 PM »
Yes, I agree that if this is true, it is crazy.  No normal woman would leave their husband to chase after some celebrity.  Are you sure that this is true?
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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2007, 11:12:59 PM »
Shes a great Jewish lady. She said that she didnt connect with her ex and devorced him. Then she got involved with Amir and is married to him now.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2007, 11:21:00 PM »
Shes a great Jewish lady. She said that she didnt connect with her ex and devorced him. Then she got involved with Amir and is married to him now.
Oh did you hear her interview with Israel National radio? You're right, she did say that.

I dont remember where, but I heard that a long time ago.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2007, 01:21:03 AM »
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Amir was right!

This video is not new. If you have not seen this then you have not followed any of the rabin conspiracy story.

This is the kempler video, it was on Israel TV - though 2 different versions were put out.
Barry Chamish included it in his video and mentioned it in his book.
And later,  David Rutstein put it online, he doesn`t seem to know the conspiracy that well but he is very good at publicising things! He set up all the URLs like yigalamir.com and shimonperes.com and so on, and made noise at the rabin memorials, and got huge posters put up.


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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2007, 03:44:13 PM »
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too bad a good Jew still sits in jail

Let the bastard rot in jail - we take out our leaders through ballots, not bullets.
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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2007, 03:48:21 PM »
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Let the bastard rot in jail - we take out our leaders through ballots, not bullets.
I'm not saying it was right to take him out through bullets, but nonetheless he should be released.
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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2007, 06:10:56 PM »
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too bad a good Jew still sits in jail

Let the bastard rot in jail - we take out our leaders through ballots, not bullets.

He's a hero not a "bastard" like you describe him. Watch you language.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2007, 07:23:57 PM »
A source - Josh Backon - may not be reliable , but he said that police records show yigal amir to be a pedophile. He is friendly with a main police detective at the time.  David Rutstein says pedo too, I am not sure whether he has an independent source.

I think chaim is of the theory that Yigal Amir swapped the bullets for real ones. In which case that theory is that yigal amir did kill rabin. I`d like to know the source of that theory.
 
Yigal Amir worked with Avishai Raviv. He is not a friend of the right. Avishai Raviv was a leftist israeli agent whose job it was to act extreme to make the right look bad on TV, so the left would not vote likud, they`d vote labour.  It worked, Shimon Peres succeeded Rabin as PM.

Avishai Raviv printed and/or distributed T shirts of rabin in nazi uniform  .  This was israeli intelligence.  Yigal Amir worked with Avishai Raviv - knowingly or unknowingly is another matter. But either way it is bad.


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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2007, 08:29:19 PM »
A source - Josh Backon - may not be reliable , but he said that police records show yigal amir to be a pedophile. He is friendly with a main police detective at the time.  David Rutstein says pedo too, I am not sure whether he has an independent source.

I think chaim is of the theory that Yigal Amir swapped the bullets for real ones. In which case that theory is that yigal amir did kill rabin. I`d like to know the source of that theory.
 
Yigal Amir worked with Avishai Raviv. He is not a friend of the right. Avishai Raviv was a leftist israeli agent whose job it was to act extreme to make the right look bad on TV, so the left would not vote likud, they`d vote labour.  It worked, Shimon Peres succeeded Rabin as PM.

Avishai Raviv printed and/or distributed T shirts of rabin in nazi uniform  .  This was israeli intelligence.  Yigal Amir worked with Avishai Raviv - knowingly or unknowingly is another matter. But either way it is bad.



Please dont write something evil by suspecting a fellow Jew of such a crime. It is certainly wronge and forbidden. Listining and spreading garbage like this is uncalled for and one of the worst crimes a person can do (evil gossip and even more than that which is pure lies).

 About Yigal being with Avishai- Avishai had a lot of people fooled. According to Chaim and others, Avishai convinced Yigal to kill the Hiloni while pretending to be an ordinary guy and not telling him hes an agent.
 Either way I see this discussion pointless. Yigal killed him, yes, soo what? Right wing and religious Jews should stop pretending like this was a real crime and make it as if we should or are disassociating with Yigal and his actions.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2007, 08:44:12 PM »
A source - Josh Backon - may not be reliable , but he said that police records show yigal amir to be a pedophile. He is friendly with a main police detective at the time.  David Rutstein says pedo too, I am not sure whether he has an independent source.

I think chaim is of the theory that Yigal Amir swapped the bullets for real ones. In which case that theory is that yigal amir did kill rabin. I`d like to know the source of that theory.
 
Yigal Amir worked with Avishai Raviv. He is not a friend of the right. Avishai Raviv was a leftist israeli agent whose job it was to act extreme to make the right look bad on TV, so the left would not vote likud, they`d vote labour.  It worked, Shimon Peres succeeded Rabin as PM.

Avishai Raviv printed and/or distributed T shirts of rabin in nazi uniform  .  This was israeli intelligence.  Yigal Amir worked with Avishai Raviv - knowingly or unknowingly is another matter. But either way it is bad.



Please dont write something evil by suspecting a fellow Jew of such a crime. It is certainly wronge and forbidden. Listining and spreading garbage like this is uncalled for and one of the worst crimes a person can do (evil gossip and even more than that which is pure lies).

 About Yigal being with Avishai- Avishai had a lot of people fooled. According to Chaim and others, Avishai convinced Yigal to kill the Hiloni while pretending to be an ordinary guy and not telling him hes an agent.
 Either way I see this discussion pointless. Yigal killed him, yes, soo what? Right wing and religious Jews should stop pretending like this was a real crime and make it as if we should or are disassociating with Yigal and his actions.

josh backon  - who happens to be a Rabbi as well as a professor and dr, if that makes any difference to you - sits next to the police detective on the case, in his shul.  This is not just some rumour.

Yigal Amir did not kill rabin. The medical records prove it. As do the witness testimony.  The medical records describe in great detail, a frontal wound, entering the upper lobe of the right lung and exitting shattering vertibrae at D5-6. It is written there. You don`t even need hebrew to see it.

Yigal Amir could not have shot him from the front. He was standing behind.

Chief inspector baruch gladstein in the protocols of yigal amir`s trial, (available, quoted at length in chamish`s book),  testified to their being a point blank or near point blank shot.  This was based on an analysis of Rabin`s clothing. There was a tear that was standard kind of tear made from blast of air from the gun at close range.

Natan Gefen sat in the trial, and saw how originally it was claimed that yigal amir shot from 30cm, but because of that testimony, they wrote over it, 10cm, to make it closer so the story matched.   Yigal Amir could not have done that shot either.

There was a shot entering the right shoulder exitting through the right nipple. Yigal Amir was not shooting at that angle.

Rabin had a shattered spine, this is shown in medical reports. He could not have been able to get into the car. Witnesses said rabin seemed fine. If he had a shattered vertibrae he would have collaposed. He did have a shattered vertibrae. It was shattered AFTER the rabin scene.

The killing shots took place in the car or hospital.  Chamish thinks - twice in the car, once in the hospital. There was an incident where everybody was ordered out of the hospital, but one guy remained there.

And there is tons of evidence of shabak then covering things up further..    But the key is that yigal amir did not kill him, he could not have. Shabak did. Rabin was in the hands of Shabak. And then they covered it all up.. Sloppily.


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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2007, 08:52:05 PM »
Whatever it doesnt matter.

The real poll question should be- In the case that Yigal did kill him, would you have supported it?
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2007, 08:58:47 PM »
I don't know if any of you listen to Sha'i ben Tekoa from Www.DeprogramProgram.Com on the netcast: Rabin, King of the Sabras.  He seems to think that Amir did a bad thing and that he disserves the death penalty.  Didn't Rabin murder Irgun and Lahey members during the Altalena Affair while in the Haganna?  How many Jews and Christians were murdered since Oslo?  Was he not a drunk?  Was he too not a Socialist like Ben Gurion, Moshe Dyan, Gold Meir, Moshe Sharrett?  

If someone is learned on this subject, please pm me with your opinions of Yigal Amir
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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2007, 09:23:10 PM »
I don't know if any of you listen to Sha'i ben Tekoa from Www.DeprogramProgram.Com on the netcast: Rabin, King of the Sabras.  He seems to think that Amir did a bad thing and that he disserves the death penalty.  Didn't Rabin murder Irgun and Lahey members during the Altalena Affair while in the Haganna?  How many Jews and Christians were murdered since Oslo?  Was he not a drunk?  Was he too not a Socialist like Ben Gurion, Moshe Dyan, Gold Meir, Moshe Sharrett?  

If someone is learned on this subject, please pm me with your opinions of Yigal Amir

I have listened to SBT of DPP. He used to be on israelnn - free.  I didn`t hear him much though. 

The story you discuss is one I first learnt of while reading the Book next to your picture . To eliminate the opiate vol 2 by rabbi antelman.  He includes a letter by Joel Bainerman that discusses it. I have also heard Kahane mention it in audio. Bainerman discusses it in detail.  He also points out an amazing thing. Apparently rabin was shot from a similar place where he shot at the Altalena.

Look at these former PMs..
Ben Gurion(PM at the time) ordered (then defence minister) Yitzchak Rabin to kill Menachem Begin and others on the altalena !!!!!!!!  (I guess it inclued killing menachem begin, not sure if it was explicit)

BG was PM at the time. YR was defence minister.
Golda Meir may fit into it somewhere.  There is a pattern of them getting rewarded...  YR was rewarded..
I have read that rabin was a drunk, from prof paul eidelberg. 

similarly,  according to chamish, based partly on what Benni Begin(Menachem`s son) told him. Sharon was rewarded for betraying Begin (and I guess causing a massacre - sabra and shatilla arab-arab massacre). It was an outside plan, prob american, to get Begin out of power.  This is how things work. it`s sick.

I suggest finding the part in that book you have where the letter is.  It does go into detail about the incident.


In one of kahane`s books, he mentions that when his car was hit with a rock, the press said something like "blessed be the holy canon that fired on the altalena, and the rock that hit kahane`s car".   

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2007, 06:22:22 AM »
Shai was very intellectual. When I listened to him I often had to take notes, it`d have been better if he wrote articles. He was great though..

You missed a very important name. The most exciting guy I ever heard on radio.. The year was 2002 ,

DANIEL BEN AVRAHAM !!!  (remember the music too?)

political and financial analysis , mostly political, but he related them!  A program on how to protect yourself against chemical biological and nuclear weapons.

A killer debater.   The only time I have ever really been interested in politics. (he really had news, and it was so interesting and so well delivered)

I lived for it!!! he must`ve got a buzz from it too,  I think he was on some strange hours of the morning, for 6 hours straight!!! You could hear him eating too.  I imagine him as looking like michael moore , but a suped up anti michael moore. But that doesn`t do him justice.   I think I saved one or two of his programs on my computer.

one where he debated lefty louis, and called him a crook, and everything else, because he left peoples` money in the stock market even when the market was going down, because of the idea that the market would come back up.  I remember louis was talking about buying at any time. DBA said "BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY, BYE BYE YOUR MONEY", and he argued it so well too.

Another I have is the one on chemical nuclear and biological weapons..  Though I think he decided it was all futile in the end, because the govt won`t come to help you.   I never bought the nuclear weapons suit. He said You can survive that, it is a matter of filtering out the tiny particles. The blast itself is , i think he said 10 square blocks or something.

If mentioning those GOOD DAYS of israel national radio - before they cut their budget  - then you have to mention SBT AND DBA. DBA was soon after SBT left.  When DBA left, israel national radio jumped the shark.  The only good thing left are some of tamar yonah`s interviews.  Yishai says some interesting stuff, and Malka is nice ... But does not compare to SBT or DBA. 2 very different people, 2 giants.

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2007, 09:21:34 AM »
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He's a hero not a "bastard" like you describe him. Watch you language.

No disrespect Tzvi but your hypocracy is second to none.

Yigal killed a fellow Jew. Thats agaist G-d's will.....and you have the nerve for crtiticizing someone for eating pork ? You talk about G-d's will and how much we should follow the Mitzvot and you seem to be encouraging us to do the complete opposite.

It appears that someone's Kosherness is more important than the life of a fellow Jew.... Sad stuff.

Rabin was no saint but we don't dispose of our own leaders by killing them. At the end of the day - HE WAS ELECTED







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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2007, 09:51:21 AM »
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He's a hero not a "bastard" like you describe him. Watch you language.

No disrespect Tzvi but your hypocracy is second to none.

Yigal killed a fellow Jew. Thats agaist G-d's will.....and you have the nerve for crtiticizing someone for eating pork ? You talk about G-d's will and how much we should follow the Mitzvot and you seem to be encouraging us to do the complete opposite.

It appears that someone's Kosherness is more important than the life of a fellow Jew.... Sad stuff.

Rabin was no saint but we don't dispose of our own leaders by killing them. At the end of the day - HE WAS ELECTED
What are you talking about?  There are many examples of heros in Jewish History of Jews killing other un/non-Jewish Jews.  In 167 BCE, after Antiochus issued decrees in Judea forbidding Jewish religious practice, a rural Jewish priest from Modiin, Mattathias the Hasmonean, sparked the revolt against the Seleucid empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods. Mattathias slew a Hellenistic Jew (like Rabin, Perez, Chomsky, Marx, Olmert, Beilin etc.) who stepped forward to offer a sacrifice to an idol in Mattathias' place. He and his five sons fled to the wilderness of Judea. After Mattathias' death about one year later, his son Yahuda haMaccabee led an army of Jewish dissidents to victory over the Seleucid dynasty's Hellenized occupation.    Pharisees Jews, like Yahuda haMaccabee killed many Greek/Hellenized Sadducees during this revolt/civil war... no?

So qq, you like SBT.  I like him as well, although I do not agree with everything he places forward.  Do you agree that Yigal Amir murdered Yitzak Rabin and disserves the death penalty, or do you believe that, (now polls are showing over 50% have their suspicians re: Government corruption) what Amir did was akin to a real Jew acting against an anti-Jew in trying to stop this awarding the murders of Jews with another Bolistinian State in the heartland of Biblica Judea? 

I simply don't know.  SBT seems to disregard any and all information that lessens the degree of what happened for Yigal Amir.......
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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2007, 10:15:51 AM »
If he was going to start sacrifices for other gods then in essence he was no longer a Jew was he ?

Rabin who was also Jewish was democratically elected by the people of the state of Israel. Only the people or G-d have the right to remove him. No one had the right to kill him.

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2007, 10:29:16 AM »
If he was going to start sacrifices for other gods then in essence he was no longer a Jew was he ?

Rabin who was also Jewish was democratically elected by the people of the state of Israel. Only the people or G-d have the right to remove him. No one had the right to kill him.
If a Jew sacrifices to idols, he's still a Jew but doesn't practice Judaism (according to Halacha).  Kahane, for example, was thrown in jail by the same Bolsheviks to keep him off the campaign trail, while being democratically elected to the Knesset....   Olmert wasn't "democratically" elected but Sharon was, who are destroying the State and have cause/are causing the deaths of many Jews. 

Kiddush HaShem is a concept in Judaism where protecting the Jewish people, or acting in good deed for the benefitting of the Jewish people is a sanctification of HaShem's name.  Thus, the commandment to eliminate evilness or enemies of the Jewish people, as Moses smote the Egyptian beating the Jew, Lev: 19:16, etc. would apply. 

I truly, don't know, but I can see both sides of the coin here.  Hypathetically, if someone would have taken out Sharon, or if Sharon would have had the stroke prior to the expulsion of Gush Katif, that incodent might have not happened thus saving the lives of many Jews, specifically in Sderot... 

Playing devils advocate here.... ;)
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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2007, 10:33:58 AM »
Sharon & Rabin were destroying Israel due to negligence & stupidity. Not because they intentionally wanted to side with the Muslim/Nazis and have us exterminated.

No worries...I can still see your point.  :)


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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2007, 10:59:21 AM »
Did Rabin deserve to die for the Altalena massacre and Oslo ?

Alot of people would probably say yes.

It's hard to argue against this.

Oslo was an illegal criminal action that did irreparable harm to Israel and has resulted in the death and maiming of thousands of Jews.

The Altalena massacre was inexcusable even if it was committed during the pangs of rebirth of the nascent Jewish State.

Still, it's always painful to see Jews killing Jews.

One thing is for sure, I'm not sorry he's gone and I wish Peres and Olmert would join him.

I can't say I'd like to see them assassinated, but they need to be removed from power before they do any more damage to Israel.

Ideally, they should be tried for treason and appropriately punished. That's a far better alternative than assassination.

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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2007, 11:15:18 AM »
Did Rabin deserve to die for the Altalena massacre and Oslo ?

Alot of people would probably say yes.

It's hard to argue against this.

Oslo was an illegal criminal action that did irreparable harm to Israel and has resulted in the death and maiming of thousands of Jews.

The Altalena massacre was inexcusable even if it was committed during the pangs of rebirth of the nascent Jewish State.

Still, it's always painful to see Jews killing Jews.

One thing is for sure, I'm not sorry he's gone and I wish Peres and Olmert would join him.

I can't say I'd like to see them assassinated, but they need to be removed from power before they do any more damage to Israel.

Ideally, they should be tried for treason and appropriately punished. That's a far better alternative than assassination.
How about hanging, firing squad, electric chair, hung-draw and quartered, bring back the old "Iron Maiden" or the rack for these bastards.  I believe that it is logical to eliminate evilness from the Earth.  There is nothing worse than a Jewish anti-Jew in my opinion....
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Re: New video of Rabin's assassination #2 on youtube
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2007, 02:10:33 PM »
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He's a hero not a "bastard" like you describe him. Watch you language.

No disrespect Tzvi but your hypocracy is second to none.

Yigal killed a fellow Jew. Thats agaist G-d's will.....and you have the nerve for crtiticizing someone for eating pork ? You talk about G-d's will and how much we should follow the Mitzvot and you seem to be encouraging us to do the complete opposite.

It appears that someone's Kosherness is more important than the life of a fellow Jew.... Sad stuff.

Rabin was no saint but we don't dispose of our own leaders by killing them. At the end of the day - HE WAS ELECTED


MarZutra answered a lot of what I was going to write. (thanks).
 Let me ask you a question. If a fellow Jew would pose a threat against you and would want to kill you, if you had the chance (and couldnt do anything else) would you kill him, yes or no?
 If you say yes (which I presume, unless you are really nuts) then according to your logic how would you be allowed? isnt that agains't G-d's will.
 With you post I see, like I did before that theirs a serious and even harder problem real Jews have with the Eruv Rav. Not only is it an enemy, it disguises itself as a soo called friend and "fellow Jew".

 Your comment about democracy is laughable. Who cares about democracy. Where does it say in the Torah that you have to follow any of the rules of the majority in Israel. + on top of that its not even a democracy. Either way it wouldnt matter.
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