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Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« on: October 26, 2007, 11:57:19 AM »
Are they "real" Conservatives ?
Why they call thamselvs "Neo Conservatives" ?

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2007, 12:27:01 PM »
Nazis, I assume.

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2007, 12:31:46 PM »
I think Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul started using the term because they wanted to distinguish themselves from Republicans who supported the Iraq War. 

The term means "globalist."  It's misleading because since it contains the term conservative, people assume that there are liberal globalists.  The Clintons are globalists.  Jimmy Carter is a globalist.

What "neo-conservative" really means is someone like Ronald Reagan who switched from being a Democrat to a Republican. 

Most globalists who claim to be conservative aren't "neo-conservatives" because they never were liberals.  The percentage of globalists are probably split between liberals and republicans.  For example, supporters of trade agreements like NAFTA are globalists.  When the bill was passed in congress more than a decade ago, it was probably split between the number of Democrats and Republicans who supported it. 

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2007, 12:32:34 PM »
Nazis, I assume.


Ron Paul may not be a "globalist" but he's a supporter of Nazis.

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2007, 12:35:32 PM »
Neocons sounds more familiar ?

Anyway, what are the ideas of Ron Paul ?
To invent yourself new name only because you are conservative and against Iraq war reason sounds lame reason...
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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2007, 12:38:57 PM »
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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2007, 12:43:25 PM »
Neocons sounds more familiar ?

Anyway, what are the ideas of Ron Paul ?
To invent yourself new name only because you are conservative and against Iraq war reason sounds lame reason...


Neocon is probably an abbreviation that people made for "neoconservative".   I think "con" is thought of as sort of an abbreviation for "convict",  so when people refer to someone as a "neocon", I think they're trying to imply that they're criminals. 


Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan call themselves "paleoconservatives" or maybe for Ron Paul, a paleoliberal. 


Ron Paul voted in favor of making Ramadan a national holiday.  He also intentionally downplays Iran's intentions and neglects the fact that Iran also wants to harm the US. 

Many of his supporters consider "9/11" to have been an inside job. 

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2007, 12:44:14 PM »
Nazis, I assume.
Ron Paul may not be a "globalist" but he's a supporter of Nazis.

Is that a fact?  Can it be proven?

I admit, I know little about Paul.  This is due, in part, to that fact that the media is silencing him.

I simply like what he's been saying in the debates.

This is my opinion.

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2007, 12:47:10 PM »
Here is your answer:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

This is all that is necessary to answer your question in detail.

The principles and goals stated here are those known as "Neo-Conservative".

All members of the government and others, whose names are signed on to the declared "mission statement", are the actual founders of this movement.

In short, they share a belief system far removed from any American Constitutional government, as well as far removed from traditional American politics.

Their stated aims are to use U.S. military might to once and for all eliminate all American enemies worldwide, and to project American above all other nations as the preeminent cultural and military power.

This website alone has given birth to all of the 9/11 conspiracy movements, as it clearly states that in order for their goals to be accomplished, another "Pearl Harbor" will be necessary to create a feeling of super-patriotic unity.  *(note:  This was made public long before the attack on the Trade Center towers."

Read all of the website for yourself and you will no longer have any confusion as to  what is the meaning of the term "Neo-Conservative".


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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2007, 12:47:57 PM »

Is that a fact?  Can it be proven?

I admit, I know little about Paul.  This is due, in part, to that fact that the media is silencing him.

I simply like what he's been saying in the debates.

This is my opinion.


They don't silence Paul that much. 

Many of the people at the last debate booed Ron Paul at least several times.

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2007, 12:50:54 PM »
MassuhDGoodName,

      Their "mission statement" doesn't say the truth.  If they were concerned about US enemies, they would have talked more about Saudi Arabia and Iran. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2007, 01:07:21 PM »
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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2007, 01:33:49 PM »
Its a mix of realist and liberal theories of international relations. - They want to spread democracy specifically to nations which are aggresive and a threat.
 ex- Bush and his outlook in the war in Iraq.

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2007, 05:22:35 PM »
Re:  "...Their "mission statement" doesn't say the truth.  If they were concerned about US enemies, they would have talked more about Saudi Arabia and Iran..."

True...but that's where they got the name "con"....dey's b 'conn'in u"

They should change their name to Neo-Conmen!

I wish Bolton wasn't part of that crowd...I really like him quite a bit.  Wish he would be our next President!

They are far removed from any semblance of "conservatism"...closer to Fascism with a heavy dose of Clintonian Socialism.

Their foreign as well as domestic policies are a mirror image of the former Soviet Union from the 1970's....almost every idea they've had or any policy they've supported was something which existed under Brezhnev or Kosygin.

In fact, their Middle East Policy is almost identical to that of the former Soviet Communists....claiming they support "Israel's right to exist", while simultaneously inciting her enemies to murder Jews by giving them money, arms, and military training...all the while demanding (exactly as did the Communists) that Israel withdraw to pre-1948 borders.

And you thought that you were living in a free democratic America?...

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2007, 11:16:26 PM »
Its a catch phrase people like to splash about, I was just the other day Labelled that. Neo-con  :::D

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2007, 03:16:45 AM »
Ron Paul is not a liberal, and the term neocon means neo (new) conservative

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon

This is what a Paleoconservative is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservative

Neocons for the most part are fake, generally people like Giuliani and George Bush. They claim to be conservatives but their not, they support garbage like amnesty and this so called "peace in the middle east". Foxnews is hardcore Neocon, CNN is very liberal. I don't watch the news because it's full of garbage anyways.

And show evidence that the polls are rigged please, it's not possible to rig the cell phone polls, if you try to vote more than once you get a message saying "Sorry you have already voted".

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2007, 08:59:40 AM »
Neocons is a code word used by the antisemites for "Evil Zionist violent racist pigs."

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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2007, 01:15:24 PM »
Cohen,YOU hit the nail right one the head!In my humble opinion ,The neo cons are phony conservatives.I consider myself way to the right of them.I guess ultra conservative?LOL :)

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2007, 01:48:44 PM »
Scriabin, you like it when he says that the United States brought on 9/11 by picking on innocent Arabs?

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2007, 01:55:27 PM »
Dexter, neocon has two meanings:

Standard definition: So-called Republicans who give themselves this label in order to signify that they are more "modern" and "enlightened" (read: more liberal) than traditional conservatives, who are mockingly derided as "paleocons". Neocons basically agree with Bush on just about everything: are pro-corporation, staunchly support his Iraq debacle, favor open borders, and generally are somewhat to very liberal on moral issues like abortion and affirmative action. Examples: Dubya (best example), Condomloser Lice, Rudy Giuliani, most of the Bush Administration in general.

Secondary definition: A codeword for Jew, or Jewish politician, used by Nazis such as Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Joseph Sobran, and Helen Thomas.

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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2007, 04:22:23 PM »
Scriabin, you like it when he says that the United States brought on 9/11 by picking on innocent Arabs?

I never heard that.  I don't doubt it, I just haven't heard it.  No, I don't like what you quoted.

The victims of September the Eleventh, Two-Thousand One, were of course, innocent.

This is similar to the debate regarding whether or not September the Eleventh was Divine Punishment.

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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2007, 04:42:29 PM »
Scriabin, you like it when he says that the United States brought on 9/11 by picking on innocent Arabs?

I never heard that.  I don't doubt it, I just haven't heard it.  No, I don't like what you quoted.

The victims of September the Eleventh, Two-Thousand One, were of course, innocent.

This is similar to the debate regarding whether or not September the Eleventh was Divine Punishment.

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I like Ron Paul because:

1) He is against Big Government.

2) He says things that are unpopular, and yet need to be said.

I like his stance on illegal immigration, guns, the IRS, and Iraq war.

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2007, 04:48:14 PM »
Scriabin, you like it when he says that the United States brought on 9/11 by picking on innocent Arabs?

I never heard that.  I don't doubt it, I just haven't heard it.  No, I don't like what you quoted.

The victims of September the Eleventh, Two-Thousand One, were of course, innocent.

This is similar to the debate regarding whether or not September the Eleventh was Divine Punishment.

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I like Ron Paul because:

1) He is against Big Government.

2) He says things that are unpopular, and yet need to be said.

I like his stance on illegal immigration, guns, the IRS, and Iraq war.

I'm sure you're right.  Its too bad he can't get any airplay on the major news networks.

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Re: Can someone please explein what are Neo Conservatives ?
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2007, 05:23:04 PM »
Actually I think Big Media is fawning over him. He is always portrayed as the plucky, limited-government, true-conservative underdog. You never hear from them about any of his anti-Israel, white-supremacy views, or his endorsements by just about every skinhead organization on the planet.


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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2007, 05:24:07 PM »
I like Ron Paul because:

1) He is against Big Government.

2) He says things that are unpopular, and yet need to be said.

I like his stance on illegal immigration, guns, the IRS, and Iraq war.
What do you think of his belief that Germans are the supreme race, and his desire to form alliances with Syria and Iran?
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