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Intelligent Design vs. Evolution
Christian Zionist:
Hail Columbia,
Thanks for catching that. I have deleted that link in that post.
It is interesting that a muslim showing his devotion to the theory of creation! They believe their koran literally. Only we Christians and Jews try to help G-d by compromising the Biblical truths with junk science like evolution. We as Christians and Jews should learn to believe our Bible literally.
jdl4ever:
Christian Zionist you know that the second law does not contradict evolution. The second law does not say that ordered systems are not allowed to occur. It states that every process increases the net disorder of the universe. This is first grade basic physics and any novice knows that this is a very dumb question comming from someone who does not even know what the second law is. It is the same reason why using an air conditioner does not contradict the second law of thermodynamics. When you use an air conditioner, while entropy is being reduced indoors (it is getting cooler, which is more ordered) more energy is being consumed to do so and that heat is being pumped outside (see your power bill lately?) so the net disorder of the universe increases. Similarly, when a building is built the building is more ordered than it's constituant building materials, but the amount of work and energy performed to build the building is greater than the net gain in order, so the entropy or disorder of the universe is increased. Finally, during evolution, more energy is expended by complex (more ordered) organisms such as ourselves than simpler organisms so the net energy of the universe is increasing (also tons of energy was wasted during the evolutionary process since only serveral mutations out of millions of were useful). This is my explanation of this basic law. If you google it, there are thousands of sites with their own explanations but they all share this common theme.
If I were you I would actually study evolution and physics beforehand so that I would not look uneducated. If you guys want to believe in the literal account of creation, that's fine but I believe that intelligent design explains the contradictions in the biblical text with the literal interpuitation and makes more sense.
adam613:
At this point I have serious doubts of evolution and agree with Christian Zionist.I do support the Intelligent Design movement. The fact is that there are many scientists who have problems with evolution. Then they say that these scientists are religious and that is a bias. So. Being antireligious is also a bias. That is an ok bias I guess. If you are only going to allow antireligious scientists to express themselves of course they will deny anything that would speak of a g-d of the universe. If part of the theory is seriously flawed how can you claim the rest is legitimate. Especially, when the evolutionist deny all the problems with the theory and do not answer them only call the people that question them "religious fanatics".
MassuhDGoodName:
QUITE FRANKLY, I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE OVERALL CONDITION OF HUMANKIND IS NOT EVOLUTION, BUT DEVOLUTION!
DOESN'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF BRAINS TO SEE THAT MONKEYS DON'T MARAUDE THROUGH OUR CITIES, TOWNS, FORESTS, AND JUNGLES, CARRYING MACH 9'S & MACHETES....RAPIN' STABBIN', KILLIN', BURNING, ABANDONING AND MURDERING THEIR OWN OFFSPRING, ETC... .
OBVIOUSLY THE "EVOLUTIONISTS" HAVE IT BACKWARD: THE HUMANS HAVE A LONG LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE THEY ARE AS INTELLIGENT AND WELL BEHAVED AS THE AVERAGE MONKEY.
THINK ABOUT IT.
davkakach:
--- Quote ---QUITE FRANKLY, I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE OVERALL CONDITION OF HUMANKIND IS NOT EVOLUTION, BUT DEVOLUTION!
--- End quote ---
I don't think evolution is about becoming better or worse---it's about adapting to a changing environment. Or dying. As for the spiritual level of mankind---you're right. There is a concept called in Hebrew "Yeridat HaDorot"---the descent of the generations. In other words, every generation is at a lower spiritual level than the previous generation.
In general, I agree with jdl4ever---it's okay to dismiss scientific theories, even if you don't offer your own theory, but it's not okay to dismiss scientific observations and facts, and if they don't square with your understandings of the Scriptures, then it is your understanding that needs to be improved, because the Torah is true, and any contradiction between it and scientific facts is only apparent, and due to our limited understanding of Creation. Having said that, most current evolutionary theories are just feeble attempts to explain observations. Nobody really knows how or why it happens, just as nobody knows how a complex life form such as a human being is created out of a single cell. ("Researchers" can list all the steps in great detail, but they can't explain yet the how and why behind each transition.)
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