Author Topic: Baruch HaShem, 4 New JTF Videos (11/01) (Read 91616 times)

RealDalmacija · « **Reply #25 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:43:32 PM »

Ban me, it's ok .. i don't mind .. i know the truth hurts you Serbs. Go ahead and keep living in the dream world you've been living in. Just remember, you will NEVER run and cause terror outside of boarders ever again.

Husar · « **Reply #26 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:44:16 PM »

I WON'T MIND EITHER.

BE BANNED.

RealDalmacija · « **Reply #27 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:45:43 PM »

I'm not a Nazi .. i was born in 1980 in Toronto Canada. I have nothing to do with fascism or nazism. I'm totally against the killing of innocent people but i'm all for telling the truth when it comes to Serbs speaking about Croatians.

Husar · « **Reply #28 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:46:43 PM »

BAN THIS NAZICROAT TAKKIYAH USER.

YOU MONGREL,
GO BACK THERE:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~afa/alert/1_8/thompson.html

RealDalmacija · « **Reply #29 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:48:33 PM »

How about instead of constantly yelling, you calm down and bring forth some facts and prove me wrong on the facts that i have provided. All you are doing is proving me right.

Husar · « **Reply #30 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:52:28 PM »

BAN THIS NAZICROAT.

GO BACK TO HELLISH NAZICROATIA.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~afa/alert/engels/sl1_2004.html

Husar · « **Reply #31 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:54:16 PM »

http://it.mailarchive.ca/politica/2007-06/0781.html

"PARTE 4 - STERMINIO DI SERBI E EBREI
[Estratto] "Nell'Aprile 1941 i separatisti croati dell'organizzazione
fascista croata 'Ustasha' installarono a Zagabria un regime indipendentista croato, con Ante Pavelic quale fuehrer, o "Poglavnik," e con il maresciallo Slavko Kvaternik come ministro della guerra. "Il nuovo stato, organizzato su linee strettamente fasciste e autoritarie, eccelse subito, per ferocia e crudeltà, nella persecuzione, e parziale sterminio, della grande minoranza serba e della piccola popolazione ebrea..." "Encyclopedia Britannica, 1943 - Book of the year," pag. 215, Capitolo: 'Croatia' "

NAZISCUMOFBEAST,
GO BACK TO HELL.

RealDalmacija · « **Reply #32 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:55:22 PM »

I don't have to read anything about Thompson cause again it's all lies on the Serb part. In his 7 albums, there is absolutely no proof that he sings about Fascism or Nazis or nothing. All he sings about is love for his culture, for his god and family. There's nuthin wrong with being patriotic for your culture and your country. But in Thompson's case, he gets labelled falsley as a fascist because of his patriotic songs. He's constanly told his critics to translate his lyrics and when they did, of course, no pro-nazi and fascist remarks were found. Again, it's all Serbian lies because the man is a patriot. In fact, if you go to his website ... there's an entire PDF of his lyrics translated from the German government. Remember, he had a concert with 20,000 people in Frankfurt Germany, a country with the strongest anti-hate and anti-fascism laws in the ENTIRE WORLD ... Germany simply does not allow hate and fascism, and when the government and authorities looked into the allegations, absolutely nothing was found to be wrong with his music or lyrics.

Husar · « **Reply #33 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:56:25 PM »

NAZICROAT "wrote" :

"I don't have to read anything about Thompson cause again it's all lies on the Serb part."

Is this, ALSO, "Serb part" ?

http://www.xs4all.nl/~afa/alert/engels/sl1_2004.html

BAN THIS NAZICROAT.

Is this "Serb part" ?

http://www.islambosna.ba/forum/index.php?topic=4243.msg29541;topicseen

BAN THIS NAZICROAT.

RealDalmacija · « **Reply #34 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:00:44 PM »

Why do you keep posting these stupid Ustasa references lol. During WW2, every croatian was not an Ustasa. There were 3 main Croatian armies at that time and the Ustasa were only one and the ones that committed the crimes. Many croatians saved so many jewish families from being killed as i showed in one of my previous posts. Italians were also allied with the Nazis .. why are you not labelling them to be nazis and fascists ?? Not all croatians were Ustasa ... so you can't label an entire nation of people to be fascists and nazis when they simply weren't. So again, get your facts straight.

Husar · « **Reply #35 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:04:45 PM »

BAN THIS NAZICROAT.

NON-SERBIAN SOURCE:
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2007/11/92460.html

BAN THIS NAZICROAT TAKKIYAH-USER.

RealDalmacija · « **Reply #36 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:08:55 PM »

Yes, it is lies because the people stirring up all this negativity towards the singer do not want to see Croatian patriotism because you assume that it has everything to do with fascism when in all honesty it has nothing to do with it. Again, the man has 7 albums full of songs ... prove that he is a fascist and nazi ... stop constantly blabbing about it and PROVE IT !! If the man is a fascist and loves fascism ... he would clearly sing about it in his music ... but he doesn't, so how can he then be labelled as a fascist ?? The only reason that concert in Netherlands got banned was again, serbs going to the jewish community, lying and the jewish people believing the lies. I understand that jewish people take all forms of fascism and neo-nazism very strongly .. as they should and have the right to ... but, the jewish people should really look into things themselves and prove things themselves rather than listening to obvious lies perpatrated by a Craotian enemy, the serbs. Like i said before .. if i wanted information on something Jewish .. ex. culture, history, religion, music .. i will not go to a Palestinian or an Arab to get that information. I will go straight to the source, to a Jewish person to get the information i need, and in the case of this concert and singer .. the same should have been done.

Husar · « **Reply #37 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:10:06 PM »

It is lies ?...

http://www.nysun.com/article/65117

BAN THIS NAZICROAT.

RealDalmacija · « **Reply #38 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:24:43 PM »

Yes, it is lies on the serbian part to the jewish people ...

"While Thompson's songs promote love of God, family, and his nation, the singer and songwriter is also said to glorify war and Croatia's Nazi past" .... prove it ... look at all his lyrics and tell me where he glorifies anything nazi ...

"In past concerts, he has performed an anthem of the country's Nazi-backed military regime" ... again, prove it ... if he has performed some nazi croatian anthem, which i in all honesty have not one clue what it could be, there must be proof of him doing it .. so please show us.

"He greets adoring crowds with a famous Ustasha slogan — and many respond with the Nazi salute." ... again, false information .. the slogan they are refering to is 'za dom spremni' ... which translates to .. 'for the homeland ready' ... which the saying actually dates back to the early 1800s ... not the 1940's. Here is the proof .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Za_dom_spremni. Yes it was a saying used by Ustasa, but it dates way back and therefore cannot solely be said to be a nazi slogan when it simply isn't.

Husar · « **Reply #39 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:30:25 PM »

BAN THIS REVISIONNIST NAZICROAT.

RealDalmacija · « **Reply #40 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:30:34 PM »

Another part of that article i enjoyed was this ...

"The performer, known as Thompson, combines folk-inspired melodies with the electric thrill of heavy metal and nationalistic lyrics."

I didn't know nationalism was wrong ?? And i have no clue when nationalism and fascism got all tied up ?? America constantly promotes nationalism and patriotism to it's people .. in fact, at just about all sporting events, the song 'America the Beautiful' is performed. Very patriotic song, nationalistic .. doesn't make it fascist in any way. Bruce Springsteen sings many songs that are both patriotic and nationalistic .. he's not a fascist neo-nazi. So why is it that this singer from Croatia has patriotic and nationalistic lyrics and is labelled a fascist and nazi ?? It's simply false and lies.

Ulli · « **Reply #41 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:32:10 PM »

Quote from: RealDalmacija on November 05, 2007, 05:24:43 PM

Yes, it is lies on the serbian part to the jewish people ...

"While Thompson's songs promote love of G-d, family, and his nation, the singer and songwriter is also said to glorify war and Croatia's Nazi past" .... prove it ... look at all his lyrics and tell me where he glorifies anything nazi ...

"In past concerts, he has performed an anthem of the country's Nazi-backed military regime" ... again, prove it ... if he has performed some nazi croatian anthem, which i in all honesty have not one clue what it could be, there must be proof of him doing it .. so please show us.

"He greets adoring crowds with a famous Ustasha slogan — and many respond with the Nazi salute." ... again, false information .. the slogan they are refering to is 'za dom spremni' ... which translates to .. 'for the homeland ready' ... which the saying actually dates back to the early 1800s ... not the 1940's. Here is the proof .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Za_dom_spremni. Yes it was a saying used by Ustasa, but it dates way back and therefore cannot solely be said to be a nazi slogan when it simply isn't.

No you are wrong. Perhaps you don't know it better, but this band Thompson is really a Nazi-Band and the fans use regulary the nazi-salute.

Look here is an article in the German wikipedia about this:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson_%28Band%29

Husar · « **Reply #42 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:34:36 PM »

BAN NAZICROAT REVISIONNIST
TAKKIYAH-USER.

THIS WAS TAKEN DURING A "thompson" "concert":

BAN NAZICROAT SUPPORTER OF NAZICROAT "singer".

Husar · « **Reply #43 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:35:38 PM »

Are "Jews fooled by Serbs" ?!!!

http://www.ejpress.org/article/17558

Husar · « **Reply #44 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:36:51 PM »

Other "Jews fooled by Serbs"....

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/16/europe/EU-GEN-Austria-Nazi-Symbols.php

RealDalmacija · « **Reply #45 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:37:03 PM »

I am not a Nazi lol. I'm simply giving facts that you cannot come to terms with because of your serbian background. I don't expect anything less from you, Croats and Serbs are clear enemies and naturally and enemy will speak lies and try to put down it's enemy in any way they can. But i'm just trying to shed light on a situation to the jewish people that they've been lied to and that they have no reason to hate Croatians. My father has always spoke highly of the jewish people. They are some of the smartest, educated and hard-working people in the world .. but the best part is that they are so tight and hold stuff together for they're people, which is great. A jewish person will always help another jewish person out, which isn't the case with other people of the same culture in this world. I give jewish people around the world all the credit in the world. To have suffered such a tragedy like the holocaust and to still be as strong as they are is nothing short of amazing.

Husar · « **Reply #46 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:38:25 PM »

Other "Jews fooled by Serbs"...

http://emperors-clothes.com/croatia/encr.htm#III

BAN THIS NAZICROAT.

Husar · « **Reply #47 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:39:40 PM »

NAZICROAT "letter" to a Jewish woman:

“Are You a Dirty Jew?”

http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=1191

Husar · « **Reply #48 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:42:10 PM »

THEY CHOOSED TO FIGHT ALONGSIDE "nazi" SERBS,
AGAINST "freedomlovingpatriot" NAZICROATS...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782170/posts#comment?q=1

BAN THIS NAZICROAT.
(becomes my motto)

Ulli · « **Reply #49 on:** November 05, 2007, 05:44:05 PM »

Look here is an article from the International Herald Tribune:

Quote

Croatian rock star flirts with the Nazi past
By Nicolas Wood
Sunday, July 1, 2007

ZAGREB, Croatia: For the Croatian rock star Marko Perkovic, it is a routine part of his performance: He shouts a well-known Croatian slogan from World War II and his fans respond with the Nazi salute.

On a hot Sunday evening last month, thousands did just that in a packed soccer stadium here in the Croatian capital. Photographs from the concert show youths wearing the black caps of the Nazi-backed Ustasha regime that ruled Croatia, and which was responsible for sending tens of thousands of Serbs, gypsies and Jews to their deaths in concentration camps.

Perkovic's popularity is nothing new in Croatia. It dates back to the Balkan wars in which he fought in the Croatian Army. His patriotic and sometimes violently nationalist songs made him an instant hit. Most Croats know him better by his stage name, Thompson, which was given to him during the war, when he carried the vintage British-made submachine gun of the same name.

But now Thompson's growing success - among a new generation of Croats, many of them apparently oblivious to the history of the Holocaust - has prompted concern and condemnation from minority groups in Croatia and Jewish groups abroad. The concert last month was his biggest to date, with at least 40,000 people in attendance.

What has shocked those groups more, though, is that in the ensuing debate, many senior politicians and the members of the media have not seen a problem with the imagery or salutes.

"They just don't seem to get it," said Efraim Zuroff, the Israel Director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, who called on the president of Croatia, Stjepan Mesic, to ban future concerts and help outlaw the use of extremist symbols and slogans.

Despite those objections, the concert was shown during prime time Sunday night on state-owned television, prompting further protests from Jewish and Serbian groups in Croatia.

"We don't want to pay for something that strikes fear into my children, or distances them from their friends or neighbors," said Milorad Pupovac, leader of the largest Serbian political party in Croatia.

Such imagery is also at odds with the image that the Croatian government wants to send to the world.

Over the last three years, the conservative Croatian prime minister, Ivo Sanader, has to some extent reduced its reputation as a nationalist state that once harbored war criminals. The transition is widely viewed as a success and Croatia is a favorite to join the European Union, possibly in 2009.

So the country that for much of the 1990s was seen as a war-torn nation is now widely perceived as a prime destination with four million tourists a year flocking to its Adriatic coast line. A government-backed advertising campaign on CNN urges more to come and experience "the Mediterranean as it once was."

Many former critics of Croatian nationalist leanings in the 1990s acknowledge that the country has a come a long way. Once it was possible to buy photographs and memorabilia from the Ustasha period openly in the center of Zagreb. Restaurants displayed pictures of Ustasha units on their walls.

While that has disappeared, souvenir shops still sell key rings and baseball caps with the Ustasha U, as well as the slogan used in Thompson concerts; "Za Dom: Spremni!" which means "For the Homeland: Ready!" And sometimes, insensitivity about issues stemming from the Holocaust can verge on extreme.

Take Perkovic's public affairs manager, Albino Ursic. A large poster entitled "Final Solution" adorns the wall of Ursic's office. It shows a packet of cigarettes marked with a large Swastika and labelled "Adolf Filters" poking out of a black leather jacket. "It's an antismoking picture," Ursic explained. He designed the image in 1994.

"It won an award in Lisbon," he added, stressing that he had no sympathies with the right, and viewed himself as left of center. As for Perkovic's use of the slogans, Ursic said the fascist salutes were no different than those made by soccer hooligans across Europe who have little understanding of what they are doing

"It is just teenage rebellion," he said.

And while the Croatian government issued a statement after the concert in June criticizing the open display of Ustasha memorabilia and slogans, much of the Croatian political establishment seems to agree with Ursic. They cannot see what all the fuss is about.

"You can't see any antisemitism here," said Dragan Primorac, the education minister of Croatia. He was due to attend the same Thompson concert last month, before it was postponed by a day due to rain. Other celebrities who did manage to make it included a former Croatian foreign minister and two former Croatian NBA basketball stars.

"At most you could blame four to five people," he said, for wearing Ustasha regalia, or giving the Nazi salute during the concert. He stressed, too, that Croatia was a good friend of Israel and pointed to his mantelpiece, where there stood a photograph of himself meeting Shimon Perez.

Perkovic, too, has recently sought to tone down his nationalist image. In an interview, the soft-spoken singer said he had never raised his own arm to make a fascist salute. Nor, he said, did he encourage people to wear Ustasha uniforms. As for the Ustasha slogan he uses, he said it was a traditional Croatian salute that predated World War II.

But rights groups here say there is a fundamental problem: while Croatia is now seeking to move away from the nationalist period of the 1990s, a whole generation of young people has grown up in the last 15 years with an incomplete education about the Holocaust, and many in Croatia believe the deeds of its wartime leaders are on the same level as Communist leaders in Yugoslavia.

"The education about the recent history of Croatia is not adequate," said Danijel Ivin, the president of the Croatian Helsinki Committee for Human Rights.

Primorac, the education minister, said that is slowly beginning to change. Since 2004, a whole day is dedicated each year to studying the Holocaust. Still, others believe Croatia's ability to face its past will remain a problem for some time.

"It is an issue," said Tomislav Jakic, an advisor to President Mesic. "It is far from the Ustasha nostalgia that it was 15 years ago, when the ghost was first let out of the bottle. But the ghost is still here, and it will be for years to come."

Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/01/europe/croatia.php