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Throw the Jew down the well?
« on: November 01, 2007, 06:19:48 PM »
  I just watched the movie Borat.........Have any of you watched it and what do you think of it......is it ok for him to say these things only because he happens to be Jewish...if he were not a Jew and he made this movie then what  ??  He made a lot of money making this film, and I didn't know how bizzare it really was until now, but for all who have seen it please comment on what you think about this kind of thing.

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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2007, 06:25:16 PM »
I think that Borat will burn in hell for making his movie, since he is desicrating G-d's name by acting like a Shvartza nutcase and representing the Jewish people in that way.  I saw this part of the movie on Youtube and I think that this piece of the movie was actually good for all people to see, especially the self hating Jews and to see that R' Kahane was right.  R' Kahane said that Jews are not safe anywhere in the exile, and that anti semitism always lurks under the surface of society.  It only takes a time of crises or poverty for it to be released.  This clip shows that when the guy sings a catchy anti semitic tune, everyone joins in which shows that the Rav was right. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2007, 06:33:22 PM »
I really don't have much of a problem with it in that you have to be a total retard not to realize he's doing it as a joke, and he should be cut some slack because he is indeed Jewish (and supposedly religious to boot).  Now, as for the people who really want to throw Jews down a well (and unfortunately there are a lot I'm sure), they should be dealt with harshly. 

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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2007, 06:37:21 PM »
Borat that dirt bag makes me sick, I really hope he dies.  I would only love to knock his teeth out.  He sells out the Jewish people in the worst way, just to make a buck

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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2007, 09:07:22 PM »
Borat was HILARIOUS!  And he exposes nuts from all sides of the coin....especially anti-semites..

The "throw the jew down the well" song is making fun of anti-semetic people.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2007, 09:09:02 PM »
Borat was HILARIOUS!  And he exposes nuts from all sides of the coin....especially anti-semites..

The "throw the jew down the well" song is making fun of anti-semetic people.

Yeah wow!  He sure is funny!  hahahaha.

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2007, 09:15:03 PM »
Borat was HILARIOUS!  And he exposes nuts from all sides of the coin....especially anti-semites..

The "throw the jew down the well" song is making fun of anti-semetic people.

Yeah wow!  He sure is funny!  hahahaha.


oh now you are just exagerrating...everybody is entitled to their opinion on Borat, even you...
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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2007, 09:16:15 PM »
Borat was HILARIOUS!  And he exposes nuts from all sides of the coin....especially anti-semites..

The "throw the jew down the well" song is making fun of anti-semetic people.

Yeah wow!  He sure is funny!  hahahaha.

The whole point of his humor is to mock anti-Semitism and make anti-Semites look stupid.  BORAT does it in the best way I've seen.  In my opinion, there is no better way to show people how stupid anti-Semitism is than the method Sacha Baron Cohen uses.  He is doing a service to Jews  because millions of people have seen his film and TV shows and his work has helped to show people how silly and ridiculous anti-Semitism is.  Also, his "throw the Jew down the well" skit is a warning to Jews, because it shows us that ignorant people can easily become anti-Semitic and that there is always a danger of a resurgence. 
"The Jews will eventually have to face up to what you're dealing with here.  The arabs will never love you for what good you've brought them.  They don't know how to really love.  But hate!  Oh, G-d, can they hate!  And they have a deep, deep, deep resentment because you have jolted them from their delusions of grandeur and shown them for what they are-a decadent, savage people controlled by a religion that has stripped them of all human ambition . . . except for the few cruel enough and arrogant enough to command them as one commands a mob of sheep.  You are dealing with a mad society and you'd better learn how to control it."

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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2007, 09:45:00 PM »
Well said, Ze'ev.

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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2007, 09:50:48 PM »
I wish that to be true... However have you seen the type of people that go to the movies in general.
They aren't sophisticated or well educated to understand the satire and humor behind it all, I think that it might have a negative effect in the long run. If played to the right audience 'It's Great' I personally enjoyed it!

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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2007, 09:55:20 PM »
dannycookies, I am surprised that you are defending Borat.

I have not seen it but a friend of mine who did said there was some vile nude wrestling scene with another dude.

Why would you defend such vile behaviour?
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2007, 09:56:46 PM »
It's true that you do have to assume a certain level of intelligence on the part of the viewer.  Given the state of the world, this may indeed be a big assumption, but at least the intelligent people get it.

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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2007, 10:13:27 PM »
I have never seen the film, but might someday. I absolutely believe Sacha Cohen is a self-hating worm (he married a Gentile), but there is value in revealing how much anti-Semitism lurks in America at large.

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2007, 10:13:32 PM »
dannycookies, I am surprised that you are defending Borat.

I have not seen it but a friend of mine who did said there was some vile nude wrestling scene with another dude.

Why would you defend such vile behaviour?

Oh vile doesnt begin to describe that scene...

I loved the scene where he was talking to the feminists...and they were prattling on and on....and on...and he was thinking to himself "I could not concentrate on what this old man next to me was saying" :::D

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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2007, 10:24:22 PM »
I have never seen the film, but might someday. I absolutely believe Sacha Cohen is a self-hating worm (he married a Gentile), but there is value in revealing how much anti-Semitism lurks in America at large.

He is a proud Jew, he eats Kosher and keeps shabbat to an extent.  He's also lived in Israel.  His gentile wife converted to Judaism before he married her and they had a traditional Jewish wedding. 

He's not self-hating at all, he's an upright Jew.   
"The Jews will eventually have to face up to what you're dealing with here.  The arabs will never love you for what good you've brought them.  They don't know how to really love.  But hate!  Oh, G-d, can they hate!  And they have a deep, deep, deep resentment because you have jolted them from their delusions of grandeur and shown them for what they are-a decadent, savage people controlled by a religion that has stripped them of all human ambition . . . except for the few cruel enough and arrogant enough to command them as one commands a mob of sheep.  You are dealing with a mad society and you'd better learn how to control it."

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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2007, 10:37:04 PM »
dannycookies, I am surprised that you are defending Borat.

I have not seen it but a friend of mine who did said there was some vile nude wrestling scene with another dude.

Why would you defend such vile behaviour?


that part was gross actually, but I still laughed by arse off anyway...Everytime i that scene came up i did have to look away...

However, you are accusing me of defending that behavior?!...When did I do that in any of my posts?  All  i said was that the movie was hilarious. Listen, if you want to be an effective jtfer, don't put words in peoples' mouths...we will never become a mass movement with that type of stupid method of arguement...It makes you look uneducated without any class. Just my two cents.

So nice try to attempt to do that to me....but it won't fly...
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2007, 10:39:21 PM »
I have never seen the film, but might someday. I absolutely believe Sacha Cohen is a self-hating worm (he married a Gentile), but there is value in revealing how much anti-Semitism lurks in America at large.

He is a proud Jew, he eats Kosher and keeps shabbat to an extent.  He's also lived in Israel.  His gentile wife converted to Judaism before he married her and they had a traditional Jewish wedding. 

He's not self-hating at all, he's an upright Jew.   

He's also a zionist.

He's not being anti-semitic, he's lampooning anti-semites. Much like liberal TV producers lampooned biggots with Archie Bunker, Alf Garnet and Eddie Booth.

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2007, 10:48:20 PM »
mmmm....I don't know.

His movie was VERY dirty!!!
Child pornography, etc etc !
NO!

I don't think a REAL Jew would make such a dirty movie!

Yeah sure, it had it's really funny parts...but NO!

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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2007, 11:15:13 PM »
it wasn't anti-semitic, it was showing how Jews were portrayed in Muslim societies. Real Jews are nothing like that.....
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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2007, 11:16:05 PM »
I have never seen the film, but might someday. I absolutely believe Sacha Cohen is a self-hating worm (he married a Gentile), but there is value in revealing how much anti-Semitism lurks in America at large.

He is a proud Jew, he eats Kosher and keeps shabbat to an extent.  He's also lived in Israel.  His gentile wife converted to Judaism before he married her and they had a traditional Jewish wedding. 

He's not self-hating at all, he's an upright Jew.   

He's also a zionist.

He's not being anti-semitic, he's lampooning anti-semites. Much like liberal TV producers lampooned biggots with Archie Bunker, Alf Garnet and Eddie Booth.
Although a Zionist, he is a leftist, socialist one. He is a member of Habonim dror, and was a kibbutznik.

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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2007, 11:19:03 PM »
Everyone should chill out. The movie was very funny. Nothing more and nothing less should be deduced from it. Seeing two naked man wrestle doesn't leave a lot of room for pontification.

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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2007, 11:45:31 PM »
put aside the wrestling, what about other gross scenes inluding child pornography!!!???

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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2007, 07:30:48 AM »
put aside the wrestling, what about other gross scenes inluding child pornography!!!???

don't remember that part...
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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2007, 07:45:25 AM »
I watched his movie, it was funny, I skipped the disgusting parts.
He mocked antisemitic by the singing of the "song" "Throw the Jew down the well".

I have never seen the film, but might someday. I absolutely believe Sacha Cohen is a self-hating worm (he married a Gentile), but there is value in revealing how much anti-Semitism lurks in America at large.

He is a proud Jew, he eats Kosher and keeps shabbat to an extent.  He's also lived in Israel.  His gentile wife converted to Judaism before he married her and they had a traditional Jewish wedding. 

He's not self-hating at all, he's an upright Jew.   

He's also a zionist.

He's not being anti-semitic, he's lampooning anti-semites. Much like liberal TV producers lampooned biggots with Archie Bunker, Alf Garnet and Eddie Booth.
Although a Zionist, he is a leftist, socialist one. He is a member of Habonim dror, and was a kibbutznik.
How do you know he's leftists ?
Some of the kibbutznikim are right wing and some right wing are socialists.

put aside the wrestling, what about other gross scenes inluding child pornography!!!???

don't remember that part...
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Re: Throw the Jew down the well?
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2007, 04:32:00 PM »
the show is hilarious.

I didn't really like it at first and some of his stuff is disgusting...but the funny stuff...Is really funny.