Islam and democracy are "not compatible, not now and not in a million years."

[Ambiorix]

A story about Geert Wilders, Holland's Leading Politician against Islamization.

In Netherlands, Anti-Islamic Polemic Comes With a Price

By Keith B. Richburg
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, February 1, 2005;

THE HAGUE -- Sometimes the threats come by e-mail. Other times, warnings show up on Internet chat sites. Occasionally they are short video clips. The latest has a soundtrack of Arabic song and automatic-weapons fire, and a photograph of the intended target -- a Dutch lawmaker, Geert Wilders.

"He is an enemy of Islam and he should be beheaded," the narrator of one video clip posted on the Internet says in Arabic, against the crackle of gunfire. Behead him, "and you will earn a place in paradise."

Wilders, 41, grimaces as he plays the video for a reporter on his office computer. "I've been threatened many times," he says. "We've never experienced this before. It's something that nobody wants to live with."

Wilders is among the more provocative critics of radical Islam and immigrants in the Netherlands. He wants the preemptive arrest of suspected terrorists, whom he calls "Islamo-fascist thugs." And he wants immigrants expelled from the country for even minor infractions.

Since the execution-style killing last November of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh in Amsterdam, and the discovery of an Islamic extremist cell in the Netherlands with a "death list" that included Wilders, police are taking seriously the threats against him and other people whose names have appeared on the list, often for far more moderate statements.

Wilders now travels everywhere with six bodyguards. He cannot sleep in his own home, but is moved around between various undisclosed safe houses. He sees his wife twice a week, at a safe house. Visitors to his parliament office must be cleared in advance and are thoroughly searched; even ballpoint pens are carefully examined.

"It's like being caught in a bad B movie," Wilders said. The guards are always there: "If I go to the toilet, they are standing behind the door." The irony, he said, is that the people who are threatening him walk the streets freely, while "the people who are threatened are more or less in prison."

Other Dutch politicians who are under similar protection include Job Cohen, the mayor of Amsterdam; Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali-born member of parliament who is Muslim and collaborated with van Gogh on a controversial film about Islam's treatment of women; and Ahmed Aboutaleb, a Moroccan-born alderman in Amsterdam who has talked about tolerance and the need for Muslims to adapt to the Dutch way of life.

"We simply don't know if people are walking around targeting me or not," Aboutaleb said in an interview at Amsterdam's city hall. "I show up in meetings and give speeches -- unfortunately always surrounded by people armed to the teeth."

This kind of security is something entirely new for politicians in the Netherlands, where until recently even the prime minister had minimal protection compared to senior officials in the United States. The change illustrates how some European cities have become fronts in a war of ideas between extremist intolerance and freedom of expression.

"We truly lost our innocence with Theo van Gogh," said Kay van de Linde, a political consultant with long experience in New York and Pennsylvania politics. "We used to think that if we got along with everybody, we'd be okay. That approach does not work in the war on terror."

Muslim-liar takijah in the press:

"We have to draw a line, not between Muslims and non-Muslims, but between the good people and the bad people," said Aboutaleb. "This group of bad people is not that big, but one or two can put the place on fire."

Wilders is more blunt. "We are in an undeclared war," he said in his parliament office. "These people are motivated by one thing: to kill everything that we stand for."

Wilders's transgression, according to the extremists demanding his death, is his insulting of Muslims in the Netherlands, with frequent denunciations of Islam. "Islam and democracy are fully incompatible," he said in the interview. "They will never be compatible -- not today, and not in a million years."

Wilders has also called the concept of multiculturalism a failure in the Netherlands. He is advocating a complete five-year ban on immigration. He says Turkey does not belong in the European Union, which has agreed to open negotiations toward the country's membership.

Those positions were once politically taboo in the Netherlands. But that ended in 2002, when Pim Fortuyn, the flamboyant populist, entered the political scene and upended the Dutch tradition of consensus politics with an anti-immigrant stance summed up with his phrase "Holland is full."


Fortuyn was assassinated by an animal rights activist in May 2002 while campaigning in national elections, but his impact remains as more and more politicians angle for political mileage by directly confronting topics long considered unmentionable here.

Wilders, who sports dyed blond hair, is positioning himself to inherit Fortuyn's constituency. After splitting with his old political party, the VVD Liberals, over Turkey and immigration, Wilders announced that he was forming his own party, the Wilders Group, to run in the next elections, due by 2007.

One public opinion poll, taken just after the van Gogh killing, found that Wilders's party might have won 26 seats out of 150 in parliament if the election were held then. Later polls have been mixed, with some showing him slipping.

So far, Wilders's main problem is translating his personal popularity into a political party and recruiting candidates. Aligning with Wilders would almost certainly mean being added to the "death list" and having to live under the same 24-hour guard.

Another problem, Wilders concedes, is keeping his profile high for the next two years, before another election is held. He recently returned from a trip to the United States to try to gain attention, meeting with groups such as the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute and with Republican members of Congress.

Other Dutch politicians say Wilders will have to broaden his agenda beyond Islam and integration if the public is to consider him as a future prime minister.

Still, veteran political operatives said Wilders could have an impact on politics in the same way that Fortuyn did, reflecting continued public disenchantment with the established parties. "He is tapping into this general dissatisfaction people still have with the status quo," said van de Linde, the political consultant. "It's the Ross Perot factor."

retrieved from the Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52502-2005Jan31.html

[newman]

Muslims and the human race are "not compatible, not now and not in a million years."

[Ambiorix]

Muslims and the human race are "not compatible, not now and not in a million years."

Are there muslims around you where you live, work ?

[newman]

Muslims and the human race are "not compatible, not now and not in a million years."

Are there muslims around you where you live, work ?

300,000 in Australia. Most in Sydney. They're all the lowest scum on Earth and one would be too many.

[Ambiorix]

I heard about hordes of lebanese attacking whites on the beach.

[newman]

I heard about hordes of lebanese attacking whites on the beach.

Lebanese, pak(rape)istani, somali....all raping women, all roaming in gangs, all scum! We need a final sollution to the islamic question.

[Ambiorix]

I think the only solution is to never let them in.

[newman]

I think the only solution is to never let them in.

We have lots of baron land that requires fertiliser in Australia!

[Ambiorix]

Are non-Muslim immigrants (China, ...) a problem in your society?
BTW : Here they are OK.

[newman]

Are non-Muslim immigrants (China, ...) a problem in your society?
BTW : Here they are OK.

No.

The small number of criminals amongst them confine their activities to their own communities. 99.9% of non-muslim immigrants cause zero problems. 99.9% of muslim scum do.

[Ambiorix]

How much % of Australia is Muzz?

[newman]

How much % of Australia is Muzz?

Only 1.5% now, but they breed like cockroaches in a dumpster so it'll grow.

[Ambiorix]

YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET. HERE IN THEIR ENCLAVES (?GHETTOS!!) THEY ARE MAJORITY-POPULATION IN ALL BIG CITIES. I LIVE IN AFRICA.

[newman]

YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET. HERE IN THEIR ENCLAVES (?GHETTOS!!) THEY ARE MAJORITY-POPULATION IN ALL BIG CITIES. I LIVE IN AFRICA.

Some suburbs resemble downtown Gaza City here.

[Ambiorix]

What is the average "Aussie" like? Hating muslims ? Is it normal to talk with people you don't know about it?

[newman]

What is the average "Aussie" like? Hating muslims ? Is it normal to talk with people you don't know about it?

Muslims are hated by the vast majority. The small group of cultural elitists try and con everybody it's a religion of peace and a few brain-dead hippies, uni students and peacenik, leftists believe it. But on the whole Aussies hate muslims more than anybody.

[Ambiorix]

Do you think Europe will be conquered by islam?

[newman]

Do you think Europe will be conquered by islam?

Yes.
1/ They intend to.

2/ The Euro-fags have no desire, will or balls to stop them.

[AussieJTFer]

Aussies aren't like the Brits and Euros, a hell of alot absolutely despise the muslims and rightfully so, they have turned vast areas of Sydney which were once decent working class suburbs into Gazas and Cairos and the same is happening in places like Broadmeadows and other Northern and North-Western suburbs in Melbourne and in South-Eastern areas like Dandenong. Only the left wing sociliast hypocrites that live in their comfortable middle class suburbs and hardly ever come across the islamic savagery are all for accepting the muslims and their "cultural diversity".

[Ambiorix]

Would the Australians vote for anti-immigration parties, is there a anti-islam party?

[AussieJTFer]

The only parties that have an anti-immigration specifically anti-muslim immigration policy are minor parties who have no chance of winning anything. The current party in power, the Liberal party has an apparent immigration policy but it hasn't stopped the flow of 3rd worlders from coming in. The biggest problems started in the 70s when Gough Whitlam decided to open the borders up to anyone and since then Labor party policy has pretty much been an open border one. Many of the muslims that cause trouble here today are actually Australian born and the offspring of immigrants, not immigrants themselves.
The general election is in just over 3 weeks, a Labor win will see even more of the trash entering the country. I believe that the majority of Australians would endorse a party with a strict immigration policy.

[Ambiorix]

Then you an others will have to make such a party. Or endorse existing parties.
Which australian parties are anti-immigration, can you give me some links to them please,
thanks.