Hey, too bad you had this title, we welcome people who want to debate with us, properly.
Explein us why does "Israel made on crime"
About the holocaust, I guess you can't make the diffrent between people that get killed in war and people who get murderd in a genocide, or ethnic cleansing actions. The fact that you can't seperate these two very, extreamly diffrent things is very sad.
ok, i changed the title, but you know, when somebody who isn't informed insult you and your country you get angry...
the land where today is israel used to be Eretz Yisrael. if, as you say, the holocaust happend, can you tell me what PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis had to do with it? i don't see why they have to suffer because you want a state... i don't mind the fact that jews have a state, even better so they won't live here, but they can't have a state on somebody's land...
of course i know what is genocide, serbs murdered thousands of croatians in genocide... but if 6 million jews was murdered and you say it's genocide, why 30-40 millions of christian murdered isn't genocide?
Somebodie's land ? Ever read history ?
First of all, Pales tine is a Jewish land, not in the religiouse aspect (which is not a main factor for you, I guess) but in the ethnicall historical aspect. Jews lived in Pales tine since the 13th century B.C.E, than it was called Judea or Eretz Yisrael. In the years 132-135 C.E. there was a Jewish rebelion against the Roman brutal rule that took Judea in the first century B.C.E. that rebelion faild, and after the rebelion faild the Romans changed Judea's (just for you to know, Judeans and Jews are the same thing) name to Palestine, which means Philistine in latin. Jews lived in Pales tine sequencely, the Arabs conquered Pales tine in the 7th century and ruled the land for 100 years, later on the Berbers, Syrians, Turks and other will control Pales tine.
There is no such people as Palestinia ns, it's a fals people. They are Arabs that invaded Palestin e in the years 1922-1926 and became a majoraty in Palest ine, befor that Jews and Christians were the Majoraty in Palestin e.
And here are the prooves that Palestin e was almost empty, and in the places that it wasn't empty, Jews lived in:
Quote:"[The Holy Land was] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds - a silent mournful expanse . . . A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action . . . We never saw a human being on the whole route . . . There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country"
- Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad, or The New Pilgrim's Progress (1869).
The area was underpopulated and remained economically stagnant until the arrival of the first Zionist pioneers in the 1880's, who came to rebuild the Jewish land. The country had remained "The Holy Land" in the religious and historic consciousness of mankind, which associated it with the Bible and the history of the Jewish people. Jewish development of the country also attracted large numbers of other immigrants - both Jewish and Arab.
Quote:"The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts ... Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen.... The plows used were of wood.... The yields were very poor.... The sanitary conditions in the village [Yabna] were horrible.... Schools did not exist.... The rate of infant mortality was very high.... The western part, toward the sea, was almost a desert.... The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants."
- The report of the British Royal Commission, 1913
Jerusalem and Palestine had a majoraty of Jews in it since the 17th century acorrding to a book name "Palaestina ex monumentis veteribus illustrata" that was written by a Christian monk that treveld Palestine and wrote what he saw in it . The publisher of that book is "Trajecti Batavorum: Ex Libraria G. Brodelet, 1714."
Most of the Arabs that lived in Palestine weren't settlers, they were nomads.
If you have more questions, use this site, it answeres a lot of questions:
http://www.peacefaq.com/