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Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: lou13ss on November 15, 2007, 10:28:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on November 13, 2007, 03:20:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on November 13, 2007, 12:08:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: lou13ss on November 12, 2007, 08:49:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on November 11, 2007, 11:19:27 PM ---You're both right.
We believe in gehinom, but it's not what most people think hell is.
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Could you elaborate or is it not defined well in Jewish tradition?
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Actually their is Gehinom in the Jewish tradition, but its main purpose inst exactly revenge and "G-d's rath" as others imagine, but its mainly a place to purify souls. But that doesnt mean that its an easy experience and the worst pain in this world is 60 times less then the least there. (I belive I have the # right).
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Yes it's more of a cleansing than a punishment and you do have the number right but the comparison is to physical fire.
It's a spiritual "place", not a physical place.
This cleansing can also take place through this world with physical suffering. Some people have their gehinom
on earth and that is considered a blessing actually.
My Rabbi often puts it this way: heaven and hell is really the same "place". It's the Truth. For those who lived Truth it's heaven and for those who did not it's hell.
For those who have lived falsehood gehinom is that painful process of breaking out of those misconceptions and realizing how they've lived life in the wrong way. Hopefully people will do here so they don't need to after 120.
Sometimes physical suffering causes a person to look deeper into their life and wakes them up to the fact that he's not living his wife in the proper way and then they can change.
After 120 a person can't change the way they live their life and I suppose that's what makes it so much worse.
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So all people have a share in Olam Habah? What about idol worshippers?
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How did you derive that? No not all people, but I belive that their are opinions that idol worshippers can have. (allthough dont rely upon it, becuase MAY). Someone can be doing that out of stupidity and we dont know G-d's judgement for everyone, but their are other sins that cause a person no Share in the World to come, thats for sure.
Eliezer Ben Avraham:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on November 15, 2007, 10:35:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: lou13ss on November 15, 2007, 10:28:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on November 13, 2007, 03:20:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on November 13, 2007, 12:08:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: lou13ss on November 12, 2007, 08:49:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on November 11, 2007, 11:19:27 PM ---You're both right.
We believe in gehinom, but it's not what most people think hell is.
--- End quote ---
Could you elaborate or is it not defined well in Jewish tradition?
--- End quote ---
Actually their is Gehinom in the Jewish tradition, but its main purpose inst exactly revenge and "G-d's rath" as others imagine, but its mainly a place to purify souls. But that doesnt mean that its an easy experience and the worst pain in this world is 60 times less then the least there. (I belive I have the # right).
--- End quote ---
Yes it's more of a cleansing than a punishment and you do have the number right but the comparison is to physical fire.
It's a spiritual "place", not a physical place.
This cleansing can also take place through this world with physical suffering. Some people have their gehinom
on earth and that is considered a blessing actually.
My Rabbi often puts it this way: heaven and hell is really the same "place". It's the Truth. For those who lived Truth it's heaven and for those who did not it's hell.
For those who have lived falsehood gehinom is that painful process of breaking out of those misconceptions and realizing how they've lived life in the wrong way. Hopefully people will do here so they don't need to after 120.
Sometimes physical suffering causes a person to look deeper into their life and wakes them up to the fact that he's not living his wife in the proper way and then they can change.
After 120 a person can't change the way they live their life and I suppose that's what makes it so much worse.
--- End quote ---
So all people have a share in Olam Habah? What about idol worshippers?
--- End quote ---
How did you derive that? No not all people, but I belive that their are opinions that idol worshippers can have. (allthough dont rely upon it, becuase MAY). Someone can be doing that out of stupidity and we dont know G-d's judgement for everyone, but their are other sins that cause a person no Share in the World to come, thats for sure.
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but do people always have that chance to correct their ways?
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: lou13ss on November 15, 2007, 10:50:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on November 15, 2007, 10:35:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: lou13ss on November 15, 2007, 10:28:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on November 13, 2007, 03:20:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on November 13, 2007, 12:08:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: lou13ss on November 12, 2007, 08:49:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on November 11, 2007, 11:19:27 PM ---You're both right.
We believe in gehinom, but it's not what most people think hell is.
--- End quote ---
Could you elaborate or is it not defined well in Jewish tradition?
--- End quote ---
Actually their is Gehinom in the Jewish tradition, but its main purpose inst exactly revenge and "G-d's rath" as others imagine, but its mainly a place to purify souls. But that doesnt mean that its an easy experience and the worst pain in this world is 60 times less then the least there. (I belive I have the # right).
--- End quote ---
Yes it's more of a cleansing than a punishment and you do have the number right but the comparison is to physical fire.
It's a spiritual "place", not a physical place.
This cleansing can also take place through this world with physical suffering. Some people have their gehinom
on earth and that is considered a blessing actually.
My Rabbi often puts it this way: heaven and hell is really the same "place". It's the Truth. For those who lived Truth it's heaven and for those who did not it's hell.
For those who have lived falsehood gehinom is that painful process of breaking out of those misconceptions and realizing how they've lived life in the wrong way. Hopefully people will do here so they don't need to after 120.
Sometimes physical suffering causes a person to look deeper into their life and wakes them up to the fact that he's not living his wife in the proper way and then they can change.
After 120 a person can't change the way they live their life and I suppose that's what makes it so much worse.
--- End quote ---
So all people have a share in Olam Habah? What about idol worshippers?
--- End quote ---
How did you derive that? No not all people, but I belive that their are opinions that idol worshippers can have. (allthough dont rely upon it, becuase MAY). Someone can be doing that out of stupidity and we dont know G-d's judgement for everyone, but their are other sins that cause a person no Share in the World to come, thats for sure.
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but do people always have that chance to correct their ways?
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MassuhDGoodName:
Re: "...The only Jews who have no place in Olam HaBa are traitors and informers. We pray for this 3 times a day..."
At last!
I'll get to meet Sammy Davis, Jr.!
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on November 17, 2007, 10:08:35 PM ---The only Jews who have no place in Olam HaBa are traitors and informers. We pray for this 3 times a day.
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Their are actually more, but I dont want to get into that right now. (for a couple of reasons, one of which becuase I would have to go searching for the sources and then post).
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