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mord:

--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on November 17, 2007, 10:08:35 PM ---The only Jews who have no place in Olam HaBa are traitors and informers. We pray for this 3 times a day.



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Le'malshimin ayn tikvah  .Peace now a yesh G'vul they are traitors as w as anyone who gives up land

OdKahaneChai:

--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on November 17, 2007, 10:31:52 PM ---Re:  "...The only Jews who have no place in Olam HaBa are traitors and informers. We pray for this 3 times a day..."

At last!

I'll get to meet Sammy Davis, Jr.!

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Not a real Jew...

Dexter:

--- Quote from: Eliezer Ben Avraham on November 15, 2007, 10:28:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on November 13, 2007, 03:20:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on November 13, 2007, 12:08:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: lou13ss on November 12, 2007, 08:49:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on November 11, 2007, 11:19:27 PM ---You're both right.

We believe in gehinom, but it's not what most people think hell is.

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Could you elaborate or is it not defined well in Jewish tradition?

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Actually their is Gehinom in the Jewish tradition, but its main purpose inst exactly revenge and "G-d's rath" as others imagine, but its mainly a place to purify souls. But that doesnt mean that its an easy experience and the worst pain in this world is 60 times less then the least there. (I belive I have the # right).

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Yes it's more of a cleansing than a punishment and you do have the number right but the comparison is to physical fire.

It's a spiritual "place", not a physical place.

This cleansing can also take place through this world with physical suffering. Some people have their gehinom
on earth and that is considered a blessing actually.

My Rabbi often puts it this way: heaven and hell is really the same "place". It's the Truth. For those who lived Truth it's heaven and for those who did not it's hell.


For those who have lived falsehood gehinom is that painful process of breaking out of those misconceptions and realizing how they've lived life in the wrong way.  Hopefully people will do here so they don't need to after 120.
Sometimes physical suffering causes a person to look deeper into their life and wakes them up to the fact that he's not living his wife in the proper way and then they can change.

After 120 a person can't change the way they live their life and I suppose that's what makes it so much worse.


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So all people have a share in Olam Habah? What about idol worshippers?

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No, read Mishna Sanhadrin, 10:1...

Eliezer Ben Avraham:
when I imagine Olam Habah, I think of those of us that have lived proper lives as being given the gift of eternal life and those that have lived improper lives simply die, that being their end. This of course opposed to the Christian view that all souls are eternal, just some receive good and others receive bad

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