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Offline Sarah

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Merchant of Venice
« on: November 13, 2007, 05:25:56 PM »
We were reading the play in English today and it was very anti-Jew.

What do you make of Shakespeare?
Why do you think he wrote these plays with bad Jewish characters?

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Re: Merchant of Venice
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2007, 05:28:10 PM »
We were reading the play in English today and it was very anti-Jew.

What do you make of Shakespeare?
Why do you think he wrote these plays with bad Jewish characters?

at that point in time there were no jews in england. there were jews in england in the 1200's but they were killed doing a riot. jews were not reamited till about 1630

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Re: Merchant of Venice
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2007, 05:28:40 PM »
For some reason, I am called 'Shylock' after the money lender. ;D
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Re: Merchant of Venice
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2007, 05:30:14 PM »
We were reading the play in English today and it was very anti-Jew.

What do you make of Shakespeare?
Why do you think he wrote these plays with bad Jewish characters?

at that point in time there were no jews in england. there were jews in england in the 1200's but they were killed doing a riot. jews were not reamited till about 1630

Yeah, even though the play was set in Italy Jews had not intergrated into society there either and were seen as their own community.

Jews started up the banking system. Including money-lending.

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Re: Merchant of Venice
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2007, 06:14:52 PM »
Sarah:  "...Jews started up the banking system. Including money-lending..."

I'm calling you on this one, Sarah...it is simply not true.

Even more so, it is doubly untrue... you state "money-lending" as being something additional the Jews invented which they "included" in the banking system.

During the Middle Ages, the Catholic Church which was as much a centralized political authority as a religious one, made it illegal for all but Muslims or Jews to serve as "money lenders".  Jews were at that time essentially banned from any and all other work within Christendom, and the Church tought that "interest" in and of itself was "usury".

Do you actually suppose that those Roman coins often seen in museums were minted by "The Official Jew Bank of Rome 100 BC"?

How about all of the other minted coins of other dynasties and civilizations...you actually believe that it was always "Jew" owning all the money, controlling all the currency, minting all the coins, and "controlling the world"?

This statement of yours is the classic "Jews control the banks, the media, the business world, etc...." which is believed by ignoramuses.

Do just a little research on The Knights Templar or Knights of Malta...you'll find it quite illuminating (no pun intended).

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2007, 06:22:08 PM »
My teacher told us this. She said that since usury was prohibited by the Catholic Church in Italy, many people turned to Jews who weren't affected by this rule, for "credit", and they began to manage a lot of finance.

Yes, i'll look that up.


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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2007, 05:27:57 PM »
The language in this Play is getting worse every day! Now I know why a lot of Arabs call Jews dogs. Its horrible.

Its not a good thing to be studying. After reading another Act, my class left the room to begin shouting "You villianous, dirty Jews" in the corridor and calling people cut-throat dogs.

I told my teacher it was ant-semitic and she said it couldn't be called so because it was written in the Elizabethan era where everybody behaved like that  and anti-Semitic is a modern term. 

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Re: Merchant of Venice
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2007, 05:35:51 PM »
THEY HAVE MANY ARTICLES THAT SAY SHAKEPERE WAS A SECRET JEW








http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3309633,00.html



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[quoteWas Shakespeare Jewish?


Senator Allen is not alone: The claim that Shakespeare was Jewish is based on my own theories, developed during years of writing nonsense

David Verveer Published:  09.29.06, 20:47 / Israel Opinion 




Only this week we read the horrible headline, Senator Allen discovered he is Jewish. This is a real shocker. How come, he seemed to be such a nice civilized person! He discovered his Jewish roots – and then turned his back on them. Now, it is not at all clear whether he will even manage to be reelected and keep his senate seat, never mind running for president.

 

Rumors of his family's Jewish ancestry are not new, but they were first fully exposed recently by the New York-based Jewish newspaper The Forward. That same newspaper revealed Senator John Kerry's two Jewish grandmothers, (must be terrible for him), as well as Senator Hillary Clinton's Jewish connection – her grandfather's second marriage was to a Jewish woman – information which her campaign headquarters apparently enthusiastically volunteered.

 

Our boy, Sen. Allen
 
coming out of Jewish closet / Associated Press
 
Republican senator seeking re-election compelled to admit: 'I have Jewish ancestors'
Full Story
 
 
 
Allen's mother, Henrietta (Etty) Lumbroso, grew up in French Tunisia of World War II. His grandfather Felix was sent to a death camp, but Etty managed to escape to America. She later married George Allen Senior, and according to her own testimony, she never told him, his family or their children that she was Jewish.

 

Scoopp!

But if you think you have heard everything, I now come with the scoop that the father of playwrights – Shakespeare - was Jewish too.


 

Before you start shouting, "ignoramus," read my arguments, and than decide. This might be not as serious like the accusations of being Jewish, or blamed for coming from a Jewish heritage with historical leaders such as: Ataturk, Churchill, Eisenhower, Lenin, Rockefeller, Trotsky, Stalin, Albright and Roosevelt, etc all recorded as having Jewish blood.

 

Claiming that Shakespeare was Jewish is based on my own theories, developed during years of writing nonsense. I discovered that this peculiar family name, which started with William's grandfather, whose real name was Jaco (Jacob) Spiro, a Marano Jew, living in the London area.

 

The local people changed Jakospiro in Shakespeare. Shakespeare was born in 1564, his parents were John (Jochanan) and Maria (Miriam), his father a wool dealer and money lender, can you think of a more Jewish profession?

 

But, as you know, you are only a full-blood Jew, if your mother belongs to our Jewish tribe, and indeed William Shakespeare's mother Maria Arden was in actual fact, Miriam Ardon (Ardon means fugitive) from a rich secret Jewish family which in order to safeguard their religion changed their name (in those days, only the very rich had family names) to Arden, a very prominent and branched out aristocratic British family.

 

To be (Jew) or not to be?

But wait, I have additional arguments, the famous sentence" to be or not to be" is a statement turned into a question, extremely Jewish. And than take his play "the merchant of Venice" with Shylock the Jew, clearly anti-Semitic material, only Jews are capable of writing professional Jew-bashing material, that hurts.


 

In 1290, King Edward banished the Jews from England. Only a few Jews remained behind, either because they had converted to Christianity or because they enjoyed special protection for the services they provided. Thus, in order to know Jews, Shakespeare had to meet them, or being a secret Jew himself, he could provide himself a perfect alibi by writing an anti-Semitic play.

 

The poet put into Shylock's mouth a speech that can only come from Shakespeare's own heart:

 

"I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you [censored] us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? "

 

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And that my friends, is what persuades me that Shakespeare was Jewish. Yes, a Jewish humanist was our man William Shakespeare. "by Gene Gordon"

 

If this is not enough to convince you, let us remind you of some famous Shakespearian quotes:

1 – Women speak two languages – one of which is verbal.

2– Beauty is all very well at first sight, but whoever looks at it when it has been in house three days?

3 – Something smells in the Kingdom of Denmark, Chicken soup with kneidlach, dear Horatio.

 

But the fine readers will now correct me and tell me that he said "rotten" instead of smells. I have no way to know, if the above mentioned soup was slightly spoiled, but I think I presented sufficient proof for my argument, and somebody who still does not agree with me, should try to proof to me that Shakespeare was a gentile.][/quote]



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Re: Merchant of Venice
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2007, 05:37:34 PM »
I hated that play, and most of this others as well.  Very over-rated if you ask me.  There's also some question as to whether he actually existed, as I remember reading an article about that a while back.  Some think his plays were actually written by several aliases.

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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2007, 12:30:34 AM »
Very anti-semitic play.   (anti-semitism did not begin with the coining of the term. Infact the term was coined by an anti-semite Wilhelm Merr )

It is obvious reading the play, that Shakespeare was anti-semitic, but not as anti-semitic as his fellow elizabethans.   Shakespeare is saying "look, shylock the classic jew, is not that bad, he had been spat at and persecuted and that is why he wanted a pint of that christian`s blood"

The saddest thing, is that in class you are taught to sympathise with Shylock.

Because if you say Shylock - a supposed portrayal of the classic jew - was bad, then you are saying Shakespeare is an anti-semite.  And unfortunately, those that do not sympathise with Shylock, go and become anti-semitic themselves, saying "Look, he is a Jew, what do you expect" and worse. 

It is a very anti-semitic play, that is obvious to anybody with any sense. And it is only fear of the gentile that Jews do not stand up and say it. And object that such an anti-semitic play is taught.   

If it is taught, then it should be taught as an anti-semitic play, and that Shakespeare was an anti-semite.   But that it is great literature.
(what an insult to jews though. That they consider encouraging study of an anti-semitic play , for the sake of "great literature")

Is their greatest literature anti-semitic ? How sick



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Re: Merchant of Venice
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2007, 04:12:46 AM »
I have read that Jews often were in banking professions because medieval Europe had laws forbidding them from having most other jobs available. Chaim would know about this.

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2007, 05:58:27 AM »
that is very well known.


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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2007, 06:14:47 AM »


I told my teacher it was ant-semitic and she said it couldn't be called so because it was written in the Elizabethan era where everybody behaved like that  and anti-Semitic is a modern term. 

Go and ask your teacher if it's OK to draw anti-muhammad cartoons if everybody behaves that way and see what she says.