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yeshuadisciple:

--- Quote from: Ultra Requete on December 09, 2007, 05:07:28 PM ---The Christamas is indeed pagan in origin it was a day when Sol Invictus was born, but easter is modeled after jewish passover feast and its about the death and resurection of the Christ. you can not find more christian festival.   

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I agree that the timing of Easter is correct and it pays tribute to the death and resurrection but it was also to satisfy pagans who were forced into Christianity with the whole fertility imagery.  Passover would serve well for Christians as it involved a sacrificial lamb and blood sacrifice to make the death angel pass over a household with blood on its doorposts.  The imagery is very powerfully linked to the death of Christ and conquest of death. 

yeshuadisciple:

--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on December 23, 2007, 02:56:57 AM ---
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--- Quote from: Raulmarrio2000 on December 09, 2007, 03:11:14 AM ---I honestly don't believe the NT was forged by pagan Romans. But I had always believed that the Romans who abolished Semicha were pagan. Yesterday I learned that they had already converted to Christianity. Just another attack to Judaism in Christian history. The lack of Semicha is the cause there is still no recognised Sanhedrim. I hope Rambam's opinion is right and the New Sanhedrin can work and save Israel.

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There is definitely a Roman influence later in Christianity when Christianity became the official religion of the empire in the 4th Century.  The Romans had borrowed heavily from the Babylonian religious system and introduced all kinds of pagan rights into Christianity.  This does not mean they invented it, they merely corrupted it later.  Christmas and Easter are originally pagan holidays.  Christmas to celebrate the Winter Solstice and the coming of longer days and renewal.  Easter honours the fertility goddess Ishtar.  Symbolized by easter eggs and rabbits.  The origin of the Babylonian system is interesting and can be traced back to Nimrod and his Wife.


--- Quote ---Young's concordance states that the word "Ashtareth" means "a wife" and Hislop showed that Ashtareth is a version of the Babylonish goddess Astarte, which is just another name for Semiramis the wife of Nimrod. The word Ashtareth lit. means "the woman that made the encompassing wall" and ancient history records that it was Semiramis who first built the walls of Babylon. Thus the worship of Baal and Ashtareth, that Israel fell prey to, is none other than the worship of the sun-G-d Nimrod and his wife Semiramis.
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Nimrod is not a Sun g-d. He was a real person in The Torah and he was an evil man. He tried to kill Abraham by throwing him into a furnace.



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I assume that most pagan pantheons stem from the Babylonian religious system created by Nimrod.  Yes he was a real person, but I don't think it's that out of the question that he was later deified along with his wife.  As for him trying to throw Abraham into a furnace, is that Jewish tradition?  That's not in the Bible and sounds like Nebuchadnezzar throwing Daniel's 3 friends into the fiery furnace. 

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