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Arutz 7 publishes editorial in support of nazi Ron Paul
« on: November 18, 2007, 06:27:54 PM »
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7552

Ron Paul Should be the Zionist Choice for US President
by Shmuel Ben-Gad

He opposes US foreign aid to Israel.


Since the Six Day War, US presidents and presidential candidates have tended to speak of the US and Israel as great friends and allies. They have also tended to favor the shrinking of Israel's borders. This has reached a low point under the Bush administration,
The US alliance with Israel has been a decidedly mixed blessing.
 which is the first one to explicitly make its policy the establishment of an Arab state in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Thus, the US alliance with Israel has been a decidedly mixed blessing.


Israel receives military and financial assistance, and also some diplomatic support at the United Nations, but the US puts pressure on Israel to surrender parts of the homeland. Even worse, this relationship seems to foster a mentality of dependence amongst many Israelis who, it seems, cannot imagine Israel defying the United States in any major way.


In the upcoming presidential election, however, there is a chance to change this dramatically, by electing Congressman Ron Paul, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination. Dr. Paul favors a non-interventionist foreign policy. He has written:


"Yet, while we call ourselves a strong ally of the Israeli people, we send billions in foreign aid every year to some Muslim states that many Israelis regard as enemies. From the Israeli point of view, many of the same Islamic nations we fund with our tax dollars want to destroy the Jewish state. Many average Israelis and American Jews see America as hypocritically hedging its bets.... It is time to challenge the notion that it is our job to broker peace in the Middle East and every other troubled region across the globe.... 'Peace plans' imposed by outsiders or the UN cause resentment and seldom produce lasting peace.... The fatal conceit lies in believing America can impose geopolitical solutions wherever it chooses."


In this, Dr. Paul is hearkening back to what George Washington counseled in his famous farewell address: "The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible."


The Republican Jewish Coalition (a fervent supporter of the Bush administration, which it claims is a great friend of Israel) refused to invite Dr. Paul to its candidates forum because he opposes aid to Israel. But, as we can see, Dr. Paul's position is based upon a principled, modest, non-interventionist foreign policy - not upon anti-Zionism. Indeed, in a way, his foreign policy is mirrored by his small government domestic policy. Both recognize there are real limits to what a government can usefully do.


It is true that Israel is a small state in a highly dangerous neighborhood, but it is an economically and technologically vibrant country - even more so recently, as the shackles of socialism have been somewhat loosened. Cutting the apron strings to the US would, I think, make Israel become more maturely self-confident, because it would be more self-reliant.


A Ron Paul presidency would be healthy for Israel in yet another way. Dr. Paul is opposed to organizations like the United Nations and the International Criminal Court that dilute national sovereignty. If the United States, in a Paul administration, withdrew from the UN and similar institutions, imagine what a blow this would deliver to their power and
Dr. Paul's position is based upon a principled, modest, non-interventionist foreign policy - not upon anti-Zionism.
prestige. I find it a thrilling prospect. Maybe Israel would have a wise enough government to follow suit.


Now, I do not support Ron Paul only for Zionist reasons, nor do I think US pressure is the primary cause for the current politically and culturally debilitated conditions of Israel. The primary cause, in my opinion, is the self-debasement of the Hebrew nation both in the homeland and abroad. This manifested itself most severely in the Israeli government's expulsion of Jews from Gaza and northern Samaria, and in the almost total lack of opposition that greeted this from the Jewish Diaspora.


It seems to me a Ron Paul presidency would be good for Israel and for the United States. Its foreign policy non-interventionism and its concern to protect national sovereignty would provide Israel with a greater impetus to increase its own independence and sense of national honor. I hope American Zionists will resist the immediate, meretricious attractions of American financial assistance for Israel. Ron Paul would both end this infantilizing, and even corrupting, aid and respect Israel's national sovereignty.


Taking the long and deep view, Ron Paul should be the Zionist choice.
5 Kislev 5768 / 15 November 07
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Re: Arutz 7 publishes editorial in support of nazi Ron Paul
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2007, 06:32:39 PM »
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=11737.0                                 :)
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Re: Arutz 7 publishes editorial in support of nazi Ron Paul
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2007, 07:06:04 PM »
Mord:  I can't stand Arutz Sheva.  All thee hosts and hostesses are nauseating and boring as Helll.  Except for Michael Freund.  He's the only one I can stand, and he doesn't really have a steady show. 

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2007, 07:10:04 PM »
I don'nt understand either,i guess they don'nt censor people like the rest of Israeli media.Maybe they should let Chaim write an article for them.
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Re: Arutz 7 publishes editorial in support of nazi Ron Paul
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2007, 08:25:56 PM »
Well he does have a point about aid to Israel - but Ron Paul opposes it for the wrong reasons.  And, by the way:
"Shmuel Ben-Gad is a librarian at the George Washington University in Washington, DC, a registered Republican and an overseas member of Manhigut Yehudit. The views expressed are his own."

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2007, 08:41:08 PM »
I love Arutz 7 but I don't listen anymore because I spend all my time on JTF. Before The JTF Forum, I spent all my online time on Arutz 7.
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Re: Arutz 7 publishes editorial in support of nazi Ron Paul
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2007, 08:56:18 PM »
THIS PROVES that ARUTZ-SHEVA IS ACTUALLY StørmFrønt!

ANYONE, no matter WHO THEY ARE, no matter WHAT THEY ARE, who so much as even say or write the word RON PAUL...ARE JEW-HATING NAZI TRASH...

ARUTZ SHEVA SUPPORT RON PAUL PROVING CONCLUSIVELY THAT THEY ARE NOTHING BUT NAZIS AND StørmFrønt HITLER LOVERS NOT TO MENTION 9/11 TRUTHERS AND CONSPIRACY THEORISTS AND THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO POSTERS ON THIS FORUM WHO CAN AND WILL PROVE IT TO YOU!

AFTER ALL, THAT'S WHAT "SOME" ON THIS FORUM (and, YES....you know exactly who you are - and I haven't forgotten you either) WERE CALLING ME.

my...my...my...how the worm turns...


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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2007, 08:59:48 PM »
Re:  "...I don'nt understand either..."

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2007, 09:00:11 PM »
THIS PROVES that ARUTZ-SHEVA IS ACTUALLY StørmFrønt!

ANYONE, no matter WHO THEY ARE, no matter WHAT THEY ARE, who so much as even say or write the word RON PAUL...ARE JEW-HATING NAZI TRASH...

ARUTZ SHEVA SUPPORT RON PAUL PROVING CONCLUSIVELY THAT THEY ARE NOTHING BUT NAZIS AND StørmFrønt HITLER LOVERS NOT TO MENTION 9/11 TRUTHERS AND CONSPIRACY THEORISTS AND THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO POSTERS ON THIS FORUM WHO CAN AND WILL PROVE IT TO YOU!

AFTER ALL, THAT'S WHAT "SOME" ON THIS FORUM (and, YES....you know exactly who you are - and I haven't forgotten you either) WERE CALLING ME.

my...my...my...how the worm turns...



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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2007, 01:01:01 AM »
You guys are taking the 'support' out of context.

It's not support as in...."Ron Paul is great, we love him and share all his views"..........!

They're are saying that his policies would be better for Israel from a zionist perspective (despite his anti-semitism).

*Foreign aid cripples Israeli industry and innovation.
*Foreign aid strengthens Israel's enemies.
*The UN IS anti-Israel.
*Israel's desire to keep the 'peace' with a supposedly pro-Israel USA is leading to dissaster.

Nobody (including the folk at A-7) are in favour of anti-semitism, however many Jews have said that anti-semitism actually prevented assimilation. The apparent love many Americans have for Jews is (in the words of Rabbi Kahane and others) "killing us". Rabbi Kahane said on many occasions, Israel is better off with the world against it. This may seem crazy when taken out of context, but considering the willingness of Jews to assimilate (as Chaim has so often said) you can understand it.

I believe A-7's support for Paul is in the same spirit.

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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2007, 01:56:09 AM »
I love Arutz 7 but I don't listen anymore because I spend all my time on JTF. Before The JTF Forum, I spent all my online time on Arutz 7.



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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2007, 02:12:41 AM »
You guys are taking the 'support' out of context.

It's not support as in...."Ron Paul is great, we love him and share all his views"..........!

They're are saying that his policies would be better for Israel from a zionist perspective (despite his anti-semitism).

*Foreign aid cripples Israeli industry and innovation.
*Foreign aid strengthens Israel's enemies.
*The UN IS anti-Israel.
*Israel's desire to keep the 'peace' with a supposedly pro-Israel USA is leading to dissaster.

Nobody (including the folk at A-7) are in favour of anti-semitism, however many Jews have said that anti-semitism actually prevented assimilation. The apparent love many Americans have for Jews is (in the words of Rabbi Kahane and others) "killing us". Rabbi Kahane said on many occasions, Israel is better off with the world against it. This may seem crazy when taken out of context, but considering the willingness of Jews to assimilate (as Chaim has so often said) you can understand it.

I believe A-7's support for Paul is in the same spirit.

I gotta agree with you on this one, newman.

But I actually saw those debates and Ron Paul looks like the biggest wimp I have ever seen.

When I see him speak, I feel like bashing his head into the lockers and stealing his lunch money.
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2007, 02:14:51 AM »
You guys are taking the 'support' out of context.

It's not support as in...."Ron Paul is great, we love him and share all his views"..........!

They're are saying that his policies would be better for Israel from a zionist perspective (despite his anti-semitism).

*Foreign aid cripples Israeli industry and innovation.
*Foreign aid strengthens Israel's enemies.
*The UN IS anti-Israel.
*Israel's desire to keep the 'peace' with a supposedly pro-Israel USA is leading to dissaster.

Nobody (including the folk at A-7) are in favour of anti-semitism, however many Jews have said that anti-semitism actually prevented assimilation. The apparent love many Americans have for Jews is (in the words of Rabbi Kahane and others) "killing us". Rabbi Kahane said on many occasions, Israel is better off with the world against it. This may seem crazy when taken out of context, but considering the willingness of Jews to assimilate (as Chaim has so often said) you can understand it.

I believe A-7's support for Paul is in the same spirit.

I gotta agree with you on this one, newman.

But I actually saw those debates and Ron Paul looks like the biggest wimp I have ever seen.

When I see him speak, I feel like bashing his head into the lockers and stealing his lunch money.

I think a toilet flushing of the head and an atomic wedgy would be in order too.

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2007, 07:18:43 AM »
Well my opinion of Ron Paul has'nt changed arutz sheva can call itself ron paul 7   i like Hunter. Ialso hate his former chief of staff the well know anti semite LLewelyn Rockwell who posts at anti -war.com that Justin Raimondo rag
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2007, 07:29:17 AM »
Well my opinion of Ron Paul has'nt changed arutz sheva can call itself ron paul 7   i like Hunter. Ialso hate his former chief of staff the well know anti semite LLewelyn Rockwell who posts at anti -war.com that Justin Raimondo rag

NO jew or righteous gentile likes Ron Paul. They're just saying his policies would be a blessing in disguise. It's like nobody wants more terrorism in Europe, but a really big bombing would have the positive effect of breaking down political correctness.

An open Israel-hater in DC would be better than what's there now.

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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2007, 08:42:33 AM »
I'm staying out of this one.  I like some of what Ron Paul advocates.  I do not support his "supporters".  His voting for Ramadon as a "Holiday" is totally rediculous.  His views re: Iran are understandable from an Isolationists point of view. 

I'd vote for anyone who is NOT a member of the CFRite establishment....    I'd rather a Ron Paul than a RG, HC, BO or FT....  my 2 cents... 
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2007, 08:45:30 AM »
I'm staying out of this one.  I like some of what Ron Paul advocates.  I do not support his "supporters".  His voting for Ramadon as a "Holiday" is totally rediculous.  His views re: Iran are understandable from an Isolationists point of view. 

I'd vote for anyone who is NOT a member of the CFRite establishment....    I'd rather a Ron Paul than a RG, HC, BO or FT....  my 2 cents... 

I hate Ron Paul.

I'm just putting A-7's comments in their proper context.

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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2007, 12:34:36 PM »
Well my opinion of Ron Paul has'nt changed arutz sheva can call itself ron paul 7   i like Hunter. Ialso hate his former chief of staff the well know anti semite LLewelyn Rockwell who posts at anti -war.com that Justin Raimondo rag

NO jew or righteous gentile likes Ron Paul. They're just saying his policies would be a blessing in disguise. It's like nobody wants more terrorism in Europe, but a really big bombing would have the positive effect of breaking down political correctness.

An open Israel-hater in DC would be better than what's there now.

I don't like any politicians but I support most of Ron Pauls positions on illegal immigration, the war in Iraq, foreign aid, and his stance on guns. He is a true constitutionalist, I agree with you saying he's a blessing in disguise though.

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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2007, 12:44:00 PM »
I'l give you more links       http://www.cornswalled.com/2007/08/ron-paul-hero-to-anti-semites.html   






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The article was ghost written and Paul would have approved it. He won't name the writer because the author of the racist article is still closely allied with Paul. It is Lew Rockwell, a fundamentalist Catholic with connections to racist and antiJewish groups all over the place. He's very friendly to the bigots in the League of the South and has had Jew haters write for him. Rockwell and Paul are still very close and work together. That newsletter was a joint project between Paul and Rockwell. He wants it believed it was just some writer who is outside his camp. It was a very close friend and ally and someone he works closely with until this day.




http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-pauls-lone-jewish-staffer-speaks.html
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Re: Arutz 7 publishes editorial in support of nazi Ron Paul
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2007, 01:32:28 PM »
I like to listen to Tovia Singer show's at the A7 website.

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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2007, 03:30:13 PM »
I JUST LOVE ALL OF THE CHEAP RATIONALIZATIONS!

kEEP THEM UP!

YOU GUYS ARE JUST DIGGING YOUR OWN HOLES DEEPER AND DEEPER!

A REAL MAN IS CAPABLE OF ADMITTING THAT HE IS WRONG WHEN THE FACTS PROVE HIM WRONG.

MENSCHEN DON'T BEHAVE AS THUGS, CURSE OTHERS, AND BEAR FALSE WITNESS EVERY TIME THEY ARE UNABLE TO DISCUSS OR DEBATE WORLD EVENTS.

EITHER YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO ADMIT THAT ARUTZ-SHEVA IS NAZI StørmFrønt JEW-HATING TRASH, OR YOU ARE GOING TO BE MEN AND APOLOGIZE TO MASSUHDGOODNAME.

I'VE GOT ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD, AND I WILL NEVER LET GO OF THIS!

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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2007, 04:06:02 PM »
Arutz Sheva did not endorse Ron Paul, a private individual contributed an editorial that we decided to run. If Chaim wants to write an editorial and submits it, we may run that as well.
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Re: Arutz 7 publishes editorial in support of nazi Ron Paul
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2007, 04:41:07 PM »
I changed the topic to something more suitable.

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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2007, 04:48:53 PM »
Arutz Sheva did not endorse Ron Paul, a private individual contributed an editorial that we decided to run. If Chaim wants to write an editorial and submits it, we may run that as well.
THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA CHAIM HAS A LONG HISTORY IN JEWISH ACTIVISM FOR FIGHTING FOR ERETZ YISROEL,THIS GUY SHMUEL IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'V HEARD OF HIM.

P.S I'M A MAN ABOUT IT I DON'NT LIKE RON PAUL AND HIS ILK WHEN YOU GO ON ANY OF HIS FORUMS AND BRING UP QUESTIONS THEY BAN YOU  LIKE COMMUNISTS OR StørmFrønt.HE'S ORGINALLY FROM  PITTSBURGH NOT TEXAS
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2007, 10:47:20 AM »
kahaneloyalist:  "...Arutz Sheva did not endorse Ron Paul, a private individual contributed an editorial that we decided to run..."

The key wording in this disclaimer is "...we decided to run..."

Therefore the editorial board of Arutz Sheva made the decision to run an individual Jew's letter supporting Ron Paul.

Most JTF forum posters assert and maintain that any individuals or groups linked to the words "Ron Paul" in any way, shape, form, or fashion, are Nazis, Jew-hating scum, 9/11 Truthers, and those who blame America's Middle East Policy as the reason for Muslim Terror.

Because mere "guilt by association" is their fallacious and illogical argument, and because most JTF posters refuse to recognize any other line of reason, only three possibilities remain:

1.  Arutz-Sheva is an organization of Nazis, Jew-hating scum, 9/11 Truthers, and those who blame America for 9/11; or...

2. Ron Paul is a follower and member of Arutz-Sheva. or...

3.  Both conclusions are true.

Conclusion:

a) It being accepted by a majority on the JTF Forum that someone is "guilty as charged merely word association", and...

b) because to date none on the JTF Forum practicing flawed reasoning will either apologize to MassuhDGoodName for their casting aspersions against him, ...

c) and because none of these slanderers of MassuhDGoodName will post written retractions on the JTF Forum to make amends to one of their comrades,...

d) then it is a proven fact that Arutz-Sheva supports Ron Paul and is a Nazi, Jew-hating, 9/11 Truther organization and it also is proven that Ron Paul must be a member and supporter of Arutz-Sheva.

No other possibilities remain under the present circumstances.