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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2007, 02:37:12 AM »
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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2007, 07:48:08 AM »
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If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2007, 07:57:02 PM »
Quote from: mord on December 07, 2007, 11:23:06 AM
:::D :::D :::D They have a yom kippur for animals
really? Or is it just a joke?

How can animals sin? And so, why would they need Yom Kippur?
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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2007, 06:39:01 PM »
Its only man that sins.
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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2007, 07:04:24 PM »
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If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2007, 07:46:03 PM »
Quote from: Dr. Dan on December 15, 2007, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: The Infidel. on December 15, 2007, 06:39:01 PM
Its only man that sins.

and women too.

Its was Man as in the human race. Not man is in the sex.  :::D

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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2007, 09:10:44 PM »
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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2007, 12:17:09 AM »
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If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2007, 12:34:06 AM »
Quote from: Dr. Dan on December 16, 2007, 12:17:09 AM
Quote from: The Infidel. on December 15, 2007, 07:46:03 PM
Quote from: Dr. Dan on December 15, 2007, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: The Infidel. on December 15, 2007, 06:39:01 PM
Its only man that sins.

and women too.

Its was Man as in the human race. Not man is in the sex.  :::D




do babies sin?

Of Course they don't, they are born without sin. They are prefect little things.  :) Even when they keep you up all night and throw on you, they are still prefect. Until they get older and want to borrow the car keys.  >:( Or want a new Motor bike  :-\
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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2007, 04:25:25 AM »
does the Torah/Bible have some age whereby kids become (how can i say this?) responsible for their sins?

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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2007, 04:45:20 AM »
Quote from: Boeregeneraal on December 16, 2007, 04:25:25 AM
does the Torah/Bible have some age whereby kids become (how can i say this?) responsible for their sins?



What you mean when they become evil little buggers, spreading choas and terror over the world?
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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2007, 04:54:54 AM »
Quote from: Dr. Dan on December 16, 2007, 12:17:09 AM
Quote from: The Infidel. on December 15, 2007, 07:46:03 PM
Quote from: Dr. Dan on December 15, 2007, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: The Infidel. on December 15, 2007, 06:39:01 PM
Its only man that sins.

and women too.

Its was Man as in the human race. Not man is in the sex.  :::D




do babies sin?

Psalm 51:5

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Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
         And in sin my mother conceived me.

I don't think they sin, but the nature is there until they are strong enough to act on it. 
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"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.  "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.  "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.  "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2007, 05:40:34 AM »
Quote from: The Infidel. on December 16, 2007, 04:45:20 AM
Quote from: Boeregeneraal on December 16, 2007, 04:25:25 AM
does the Torah/Bible have some age whereby kids become (how can i say this?) responsible for their sins?



What you mean when they become evil little buggers, spreading choas and terror over the world?
exactly my view! ;)
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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2008, 09:03:38 PM »
 I do not believe animals have eternal souls.  They cannot learn right from wrong, and do not have moral capability.  Yes, you can discipline a dog, but it is only learning that it will be punished if it does a certain thing, and it wants to avoid that.  Also, Genesis says "let Us create Man in Our image."  I don't think the Bible says anything about animals being created specifically in His image.  I don't think animals have anything eternal about them, because their salvation is not mentioned in the Bible, and God did not provide a way for them to be saved, as he did for Man with Jesus.  Yes, they can show emotion, but I don't believe that emotion entails a soul.
 
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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2008, 09:39:46 PM »
Quote from: Caleb #72 on January 08, 2008, 09:03:38 PM
I do not believe animals have eternal souls.  They cannot learn right from wrong, and do not have moral capability.  Yes, you can discipline a dog, but it is only learning that it will be punished if it does a certain thing, and it wants to avoid that.  Also, Genesis says "let Us create Man in Our image."  I don't think the Bible says anything about animals being created specifically in His image.  I don't think animals have anything eternal about them, because their salvation is not mentioned in the Bible, and G-d did not provide a way for them to be saved, as he did for Man with Jesus.  Yes, they can show emotion, but I don't believe that emotion entails a soul.
 
                  Just my thoughts.

I don't believe they're capable of sinning.

It's the knowledge of good and evil, as far as I understand it, and being of an age where one can be held responsible for their own sins, that makes people needy of being on good terms with G-d. Animals are innocent by default.
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Re: One Thing Chaim Said About Animals . . .
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2008, 10:07:08 PM »
Quote from: Caleb #72 on January 08, 2008, 09:03:38 PM
I do not believe animals have eternal souls.  They cannot learn right from wrong, and do not have moral capability.  Yes, you can discipline a dog, but it is only learning that it will be punished if it does a certain thing, and it wants to avoid that.  Also, Genesis says "let Us create Man in Our image."  I don't think the Bible says anything about animals being created specifically in His image.  I don't think animals have anything eternal about them, because their salvation is not mentioned in the Bible, and G-d did not provide a way for them to be saved, as he did for Man with Jesus.  Yes, they can show emotion, but I don't believe that emotion entails a soul.
 
                  Just my thoughts.
i agree, and that's been the way I have always thought of animals regarding this subject
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